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SCIENTISTS MAKE RADIO WAVES TRAVEL FASTER THAN LIGHT

 
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Scientist John Singleton insists that Albert Einstein wouldn't be mad at him, even though at first blush Singleton appears to have twisted the famous physicist's theories about light into a pretzel.

Most people think Einstein said that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, but that's not really the case, Singleton said.

Einstein predicted that particles and information can't travel faster than the speed of light — but phenomenon like radio waves? That's a different story, said Singleton, a Los Alamos National Laboratory Fellow.

Singleton has created a gadget that abuses radio waves so severely that they finally give in and travel faster than light.

The polarization synchrotron combines the waves with a rapidly spinning magnetic field, and the result could explain why pulsars — which are super-dense spinning stars that are a subclass of neutron stars — emit such powerful signals, a phenomenon that has baffled many scientists, Singleton said.

"Pulsars are rapidly rotating neutron stars that emit radio waves in pulses, but what we don't know is why these pulses are so bright or why they travel such long distances," Singleton said. "What we think is these are transmitting the same way our machine does."

And beyond explaining what has been a bit of a mystery to the astronomical community, Singleton's discovery could have wide-ranging technological impacts in areas such as medicine and communications, he said.

"Because nobody's really thought about things that travel faster than light before, this is a wide-open technological field," Singleton said.

One possible use for the resulting speedy radio waves — which are packed into a very powerful wave the size of a pencil point — could be the creation of a new generation of cell phones that communicate directly to satellites, rather than transmitting through relay towers as they now do.

Those phones would have more reliable service and would also be more difficult for hackers to intercept, Singleton said.

Another application could be in very targeted chemotherapy, where a patient takes the drugs, and the radio waves are used to activate them very specifically in the area around a tumor, he said.

If Einstein were still alive, he probably wouldn't be all that surprised by the discovery, Perez said, even if it does seem on the surface to conflict with some of his theories.

"He might have thought, 'why did this take so long,' " Perez said.

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Original article was 1/18/2008.

Kind of old news.

Any updates ?

Wondering,
Lex

Edit to add orig. :

[link to www.santafenewmexican.com]

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w00t

there are no limits, no borders.
that's just our small microbe like human way of thinking.

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Geez...this goes back a
few years.

From 2004 :

[link to radio.weblogs.com]
Lexion

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Here's a few updated this year :

[link to www1.physics.ox.ac.uk]

Files are DL'able.

Here's a grant summary from '99 :

[link to www1.physics.ox.ac.uk]

Interesting subject to
look into.

Thanks OP.

Twee,
Lex
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Well lets start talking to ET where ever he is.
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bet the harmonisation is done around phi
1.618 or a derivative
re-inventing the wheel again
and if you think ancient cultures did not have radio waves, think again, ever seen one of these before?

[link to www.panoramio.com]

look anything like this?

[link to www.cv.nrao.edu]
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[link to www.santafenewmexican.com]
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bet the harmonisation is done around phi
1.618 or a derivative
re-inventing the wheel again
and if you think ancient cultures did not have radio waves, think again, ever seen one of these before?

[link to www.panoramio.com]

look anything like this?

[link to www.cv.nrao.edu]
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Great find that thank you.
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Ok, call me old fashion and all, but I am not carrying a cell phone in my pants pocket that is powerful enough to reach out to a satalite in geosynchronos orbit with a radio wave that travels faster than light. No thanks.
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bet the harmonisation is done around phi
1.618 or a derivative
re-inventing the wheel again
and if you think ancient cultures did not have radio waves, think again, ever seen one of these before?

[link to www.panoramio.com]

look anything like this?

[link to www.cv.nrao.edu]


Great find that thank you.
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did you believe information was passed around by a drugged semi-concious virgin sitting on a tripod?
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Well space can move faster than light. So if you can get space to expand at that speed I can see where faster than light travel could be possible.
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bend and blend
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Normally when something like this arises it's the phase velocity that's being discussed. In some cases this can exceed c, but as the article says, this does not transfer matter, energy or information.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

You can do something conceptually similar using a (very powerful) laser pointer. Just point it at the moon, and then move it around. A tiny movement of the pointer produces a huge movement of the illuninated spot on the moon, and it's not at all hard to make that illuminated spot move around far faster than light.
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No doubt a weapon of some sort in progress or on line...JEEEZ don't you just love technology.I'll take the God Machine any day.Measure the speed of that..Sorry If I can't share the discovery,when all that is discovered is made a weapon to be used against us in some form or another.
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this is nothing new, the former Iron butterfly bassist invented a communication technology that uses gravitational waves and was dissappeared for it. The rumor was that he was in contact with extra-terrestrial civilizations that the NWO doesn't want us talking to.
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God damnit and we just went digital too.

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Pardon me for interrupting your premature celebration, but I thought it only fair to give you a sporting chance as you are new to this game.
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Radio waves ARE light!
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"Because nobody's really thought about things that travel faster than light before, this is a wide-open technological field," Singleton said.

Yeah Right No ONE, in your dreams, atleast someone on planet earth have thought about this sometime
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One possible use for the resulting speedy radio waves — which are packed into a very powerful wave the size of a pencil point — could be the creation of a new generation of cell phones that communicate directly to satellites, rather than transmitting through relay towers as they now do.

Those phones would have more reliable service and would also be more difficult for hackers to intercept, Singleton said.


[link to current.com]
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yes, i want neutron-star technology right next to my head.
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Just because you can "force" something doesn't mean it should be done.

Light is much safer.
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bet the harmonisation is done around phi
1.618 or a derivative
re-inventing the wheel again
and if you think ancient cultures did not have radio waves, think again, ever seen one of these before?

[link to www.panoramio.com]

look anything like this?

[link to www.cv.nrao.edu]
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because that shape is the best way to send/receive waves - be it radio or SOUND waves. That, my friend, is an amPHItheater. Where's the other half?
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bet the harmonisation is done around phi
1.618 or a derivative
re-inventing the wheel again
and if you think ancient cultures did not have radio waves, think again, ever seen one of these before?

[link to www.panoramio.com]

look anything like this?

[link to www.cv.nrao.edu]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 714908



Yeah the first one is called an out door theater, they are all over the place ya nub.
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Do you guys realize that this makes Einstein Theory of relativity obsolete?(the main assumption was that nothing can travel faster than light,without it,that theory is totally bogus. Well i kind of knew already it was bogus,but I'm just a nobody and nobody would listen to me,i guess good for the scientists that demonstrated) So much for him being a genius.
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So that's how will being traveling to far distance space, broken up into microbradiowave like atoms and, POW!
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Do you guys realize that this makes Einstein Theory of relativity obsolete?
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Except that it doesn't, and it even says so in the article. In, you know, about the third sentence.
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Radio waves or rather sound waves are stretched light waves..... duh.... no miraculous feat here.
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One of the comments from the Santa Fe New Mexican article linked to the actual scientific paper.

[link to arxiv.org]

I'm going to go and read this now to find out what he was _actually_ doing. The abstract talks about superluminal currents surrounding pulsars; this is plausible. Go back to the idea of tracking a laser pointer across the Moon: well, a pulsar spins thousands of times a second, so any beam projected slower than light outward from its surface could easily track across surrounding material faster than light.

Apparently the interesting discovery isn't that superluminal effects can be produced; that's trivial and non-interesting. It's that they can be used to produce extremely coherent beams. That bit about them dropping off as 1/R rather than 1/R**2... well, if that can be replicated technologically, it's great news. It will save a _lot_ of power on long-range communications.
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this is nothing new, the former Iron butterfly bassist invented a communication technology that uses gravitational waves and was dissappeared for it. The rumor was that he was in contact with extra-terrestrial civilizations that the NWO doesn't want us talking to.
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hole crap, I'd never heard that before .
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"Because nobody's really thought about things that travel faster than light before, this is a wide-open technological field," Singleton said.

Yeah Right No ONE, in your dreams, atleast someone on planet earth have thought about this sometime
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Tesla LEAPS to mind ..
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... ah, OK, that makes sense.

What's going on here, guys, is not about sending signals faster than light in any way.

Quick lesson in electromagnetism: a radio signal is generated by an alternating electric current. You run the current up and down an antenna at a particular frequency, you get an induced electromagnetic field that spreads out from the antenna. That's your transmitter. Set up another antenna at a distance attached to a circuit tuned to the same frequency, the field induces a current in that circuit, and you've got a receiver.

Simple, right?

Now, what happens if that current moves through the antenna faster than light? Can't be done, you say? Nothing moves faster than light? Well now. What if we could beam electrons into the conductor from a distant location, and just change the aim regularly? No actual electron would ever move faster than light - but if we got the timing right, we could make the _point of impact_ of the beam move faster than light, and that would look like a current flowing up and down the beam.

As it turns out, the result of this is just as if there really was a superluminal current. They've worked out what should happen, which involves some rather obscure and technical detail resulting in some quite unusual radio beams, and shown that it's consistent with what happens in some pulsars (which spin fast, and therefore can produce apparent superluminal effects of this kind).

And they comment in the press (though they do not say so in the article) that such beams might be useful in very long distance communications, since they drop off linearly with distance rather than as the square. In other words, if you're twice as far away it takes twice as much power to achieve the same signal strength; normally it would take four times.

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