"To which you may well respond: Duh ... why shouldn't the surface be undisturbed? Glad you asked. The answer is that the lunar module was not placed upon the moon by the hand of God. It had to actually land there. And in order for it to land there in one piece, it had to make use of immensely powerful reverse-thrust rockets."
This is why people who know nothing about rockets and astronomy should refrain from pretending to be experts on it. The engine that landed the LEM did all of its high thrust work high over the moon, far away from the surface. By the time it was hovering the throttle had been greatly reduced. It had also lost most of its mass by that point from burning nearly all of its descent fuel. That left a mass of about 7000kg to land. That means it only required about 2,500 pounds of force to keep it hovering over the moon. A harrier jet, on the other hand, produces about 10 times that much force to lift off, all without leaving a crater (and yes, I've personally seen a harrier land on grass and dirt before).
Yeah! that's right the LEM was hovering above the moon and had slowed way down....they were able to turn off the thrusters....so that is why the photos showed the astronaut's footprints but not the any trace of the high powered stuff required to break the fall...
see. this guy IS a complete idiot....
And of course, the Russians were happy to give up all the grief and expense of working on getting to the moon....they were broke.
A look at one elephant in the closet that I have been meaning to discuss for a while now: the absence of a blast crater under the lunar module.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 439828
yeah well like the other guy said...they were hovering...the Lem was a hovercraft ...and then it just slowly eased down ...just a jet making a landing...right?
Skeptic the First User ID: 709162 6/30/2009 7:25 PM
[link to www.space.com]
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"But the [so-called Genesis] rock did get a lot of attention because it was just what they were looking for," he said. "It was found in the highlands and the reason it was prominent was because of the way it was perched up on a pedestal of dirt, like it was waiting to be collected."
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 703665 6/30/2009 7:26 PM
it's possible they could have faked it. but i don't think they did.
i think they did go to the moon.
it's also possible that they went to the moon and faked/altered some of the footage to hide what is really on the moon... which is more likely than complete faking it and not going to the moon.
[link to www.space.com]
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"But the [so-called Genesis] rock did get a lot of attention because it was just what they were looking for," he said. "It was found in the highlands and the reason it was prominent was because of the way it was perched up on a pedestal of dirt, like it was waiting to be collected."
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it's possible they could have faked it. but i don't think they did.
i think they did go to the moon.
it's also possible that they went to the moon and faked/altered some of the footage to hide what is really on the moon... which is more likely than complete faking it and not going to the moon.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 703665
It would be an order of magnitude less difficult.
But faking pictures is difficult, too. Just look at Hollywood's failures, with modern technology and budgets, to get a convincing Lunar image (c.f. Apollo 13, From the Earth to the Moon.)
So if you had something you wanted to hide, the best plan would be to work around it. Instead of trying to make faked photographs that showed everything but the alien artifact (or whatever), far easier to take no public-release pictures there at all. Change the logs, the roll numbers, the radio broadcasts, and the EVA maps so the astronauts were never (on paper) near the suspect thing in the first place.
It would still be a lot of work to account for every minute and maintain full consistency across the various time-stamped records (aka lining up radio broadcasts, TV camera, DAC and stills). But I don't find it completely implausible.
Of course this brings in another question. If something was there that needed to be hidden, when did they know? If they found it during a mission, how quickly could anyone work to create a convincing alternate mission...as well as do what it took to investigate the actual "thing" properly.
That would be some quick thinking and some crazy scrambling there!
If they knew years ahead of time, though, that's a whole different set of questions.
Skeptic the First User ID: 709162 6/30/2009 8:33 PM
Trinitite actually shows considerable similarity to tektite (which NASA bizarrely claims comes from the moon, despite geological evidence).
But as far as I can find, we simply have no idea what results from a hydrogen bomb explosion, because the military won't let us examine such sites (before and after) for ourselves.
Quoting: Skeptic the First 709162
Actually, NASA itself claims that "moon rocks" are formed from hydrogen explosions:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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O'Keefe suggested explosive, hydrogen-driven lunar volcanoes as the original source of tektites.
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 703764 6/30/2009 9:32 PM
I tell my children the truth.
They can still be the 1st HUMANS on the moon.
The government just like there teachers telling them there free and yet FORCED into the class room LIE.
So we too adults are FORCED into ECONOMIC ENSLAVEMENT for the benefit of the 1% @GUN POINT/THREAT OF DEATH!!!!!
All fueled by the lie of "money"
The ONLY place you will receive truth EVER is the place in which you are truly loved,at home amongst your family.
We do the best we can with what we got.
This is one family unit that is stronger then there deceptions.
Ours is a family based on Truth with Love with over 4 generations intact.
Trinitite actually shows considerable similarity to tektite (which NASA bizarrely claims comes from the moon, despite geological evidence).
But as far as I can find, we simply have no idea what results from a hydrogen bomb explosion, because the military won't let us examine such sites (before and after) for ourselves.
Actually, NASA itself claims that "moon rocks" are formed from hydrogen explosions:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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O'Keefe suggested explosive, hydrogen-driven lunar volcanoes as the original source of tektites.
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Quoting: Skeptic the First 709162
The what the who?
I'm sorry, but Trinitite and other materials found near ground zero of a thermonuclear explosion have damn-all to do with the bulk of samples returned from the Moon.
I am almost afraid I might need to explain to you that volcanoes are not thermonuclear, either.
(Actually, though...yes, moon rocks are formed in a thermonuclear explosion. So are we. Or, rather, the raw atomic material is. Silicon and iron are the product of ordinary fusion, but everything on the periodic table beyond them was formed in the massive explosion of a supernovae. And even the silicon and iron got into the cloud that coalesced into our solar system because at least one previous generation of star blew the hell up and launched that material into space.)
Skeptic the First User ID: 709162 7/1/2009 5:47 AM
I'm sorry, but Trinitite and other materials found near ground zero of a thermonuclear explosion have damn-all to do with the bulk of samples returned from the Moon.
Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 711198
How the heck do you know? Do you have sworn testimony showing provenance (chain of custody) of the "moon rocks," beginning with Armstrong and Aldrin and extending down to the present day?
If not, you don't know where those "moon rocks" actually came from.
Of course I have no proof that the Moon Rocks don't strongly resemble Wensleydale (or maybe Emmentaler, or perhaps Camembert).
What I do know is that no source has ever described what the Apollo Missions brought back, or the meteorites that have been determined to be lunar in origin, or what is theorized about the geologic make-up of the Moon, as being particularly like the fused silica found at ground zero of an atomic test!
Are you withdrawing the suggestion that the lunar samples being passed off as having been gathered during the Apollo Missions were instead scooped up from the sites of US nuclear tests?
All we have to do, really, is have enough delta-V to break lunar orbit and fall, aim towards one of the Maria, and do litho-breaking on the bottom of the Shuttle itself.
Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 711198
An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it. - Don Marquis
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HALCYON DAYS STOP BEING A DIPSHIT ALL YOUR LIFE YOU MORON - Anonymous Coward
This series of videos completely blows a hole(pun intended) in the skeptics ridiculous claims that the lunar module would not have left a blast crater.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 688990 7/1/2009 10:50 AM
Say, why do these videos always take so long to get to the point? Is it because their arguments are so stupid, they need to spend several minutes putting the viewer in the right mind set first before springing it?
Well, at least Jarrah gave me something fun to chew on before two minutes had passed.
"70 dB," says Jarrah through his mouthpiece, "Is half the volume of a jet engine. It's quite loud."
Jarrah, meet the decibel scale. It is a LOGARITHMIC scale, not a linear scale. The difference in sound pressure between 70 dB and 140 dB is not 2x; it is thousands of times.
Because of the history of the decibel, it is also not linear in respect to human hearing. No, a jet engine does not sound "twice" as loud as 70 dB to a human ear, either. At the approximation 10 db/2x perceived loudness, it would be over a hundred times louder.
Jarrah, you are an epic fail.
Skeptic the First User ID: 709162 7/1/2009 4:05 PM
What I do know is that no source has ever described what the Apollo Missions brought back, or the meteorites that have been determined to be lunar in origin, or what is theorized about the geologic make-up of the Moon, as being particularly like the fused silica found at ground zero of an atomic test!
Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 711198
Have your "sources" ever examined what was left immediately after a hydrogen bomb explosion? As far as I know, the military has never made a hydrogen bomb explosion site immediately available to souvenir hunters.
What we do know is that tektite, which appears among the "moon rocks," bears some resemblance to trinitite, produced by the plutonium bomb explosion at Trinity 1945.
I'm in the process to become an "idiot", too.
NASA losing 13 boxes of documents about the moon, made me VERY suspicious about the whole thing.
Losing their most important documents?...nah!. Something is wrong, very wrong.
cmon man, look at the astronaut in the photo. Now look at his shadow and the angle of it. If you can't see how a rock in the distance is sunlit, with all those angles laying right in front of you, I don't know what to tell you.
I tell my children the truth.
They can still be the 1st HUMANS on the moon.
The ONLY place you will receive truth EVER is the place in which you are truly loved,at home amongst your family.
No... you give your opinion as fact.
Your children will not thank you for this when they grow up.
wtf does being loved have to do with the moon landings being real or faked?
"the moon landings are fake"
"how do you know?"
"Because I love you... "
I feel sorry for your kids.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 714982
Yeah...it's terrible. This family is actually depriving their off spring of the cultural conditioning and the acceptable norms and standards that others are getting from marvelous sources such as the History channel and Larry King...
What about judge Judy and Oprah...great people who also know flat out we did go to the moon and would go back in a heart beat if only we had the money and did not spend so much money on taking care of people and making sure they had really good educations. Much of our top rated education even comes in the form of TV.
You know even Rush Limbaugh has a lot of wisdome and truth to share and these kids will never understand how the other people think. Sad.
We never went to the moon. If we did, then why is it so difficult to get someone else in space? Why have Russia and China never sent any other human to the moon? How come none of the so called moonwalkers had any effects from radiation and lived into old age?
We never went to the moon. If we did, then why is it so difficult to get someone else in space? Why have Russia and China never sent any other human to the moon? How come none of the so called moonwalkers had any effects from radiation and lived into old age?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 642502
are you crazy....they WERE affected by the terrible radiation...but they were too manly and proud to let us know about it...if you watch the following video you will see how distressed and disoriented these men are just come back from the biggest human adventure EVER...
What courage to cover up the horrible effects that made them stutter and be able to look up....god it must have been bad....
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What courage to cover up the horrible effects that made them stutter and be able to look up....god it must have been bad....
courage?
or the tenacity to lie to the public juring press conference, more like it
Quoting: some guy
how dare you insult these magnificent heros!
You'd talk like that too if you had just received such an exposure to radiation which probably is deadly or may cause changes in personality. Previously forthright and vigorous explorers turned into cringing fools.
[link to www.space.com]
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"But the [so-called Genesis] rock did get a lot of attention because it was just what they were looking for," he said. "It was found in the highlands and the reason it was prominent was because of the way it was perched up on a pedestal of dirt, like it was waiting to be collected."
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Quoting: Skeptic the First 709162
Moon Landing Hoax Apollo 15 : Astronauts See Vegetables & Green Cheese in The Fake Moon Rocks
[link to www.youtube.com]
This series of videos completely blows a hole(pun intended) in the skeptics ridiculous claims that the lunar module would not have left a blast crater.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 688990
Since I can't see videos, how about you make the argument yourself? As it stands, the LEM had less than 1/10th the thrust of a harrier at landing, so why should there be a blast crater?
We never went to the moon. If we did, then why is it so difficult to get someone else in space?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 642502
We get people into space all the time.
Why have Russia and China never sent any other human to the moon? How come none of the so called moonwalkers had any effects from radiation and lived into old age?
Quoting: AC
Hahaha, like 7 rems of radiation would do shit to you ( [link to www.crystalinks.com] - 2500 rems per year = less than 7 per day assuming they spent a full day transversing most of the belt; they actually spent far less than that getting across most of it). They DID have effects from the ultra-violet light though, resulting in a much higher incidence of cataracts than in the general population.
how dare you insult these magnificent heros!
You'd talk like that too if you had just received such an exposure to radiation which probably is deadly or may cause changes in personality. Previously forthright and vigorous explorers turned into cringing fools.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 715753
Your heroes are still alive and kicking after all these years despite that "deadly radiation"....
I think they are decent men whose dislike of lying to the world about the fake propaganda stunt job they were made to participate in was written all over their face at that press conference.
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