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| moon questions
User ID: 716321
7/7/2009 4:17 AM | | Re: this idiot believes we never went to the moon | Quote |
Just a floow up.
* There is no atmosphere on the moon, and therefore it is scientifically impossible for any wind to be blowing across the moon's surface. Nevertheless, the flag allegedly planted by U.S. astronauts can be clearly seen flapping in the breeze in NASA's footage of the landings. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 711872
Have you ever seen a clock with a pendulum? Does the pendulum flap in the breeze? Is it possible that something could move without being affected by wind?
How do you know there is no atmosphere on the moon? Have you been there to check? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 439828
7/7/2009 4:20 AM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 439828
7/7/2009 4:27 AM | | Re: this idiot believes we never went to the moon | Quote |
Have you ever seen a cock with a pendulum? Does the cock pendulum flap in the breeze? Is it possible that something could move without being affected by wind?
How do you know there is no atmosphere on the moon? Have you been there to check? Quoting: moon questions 716321
Mine flaps in the breeze all the time, and I am often affected by lots of wind,
It does get bloody cold though pissing in the bushes when going tramping.
An atmosphere on the moon, who would have thought eh? And do you call yourself an amateur scientist like nomuse do you? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 716321
7/7/2009 4:28 AM | | Re: this idiot believes we never went to the moon | Quote |
An atmosphere on the moon, who would have thought eh? And do you call yourself an amateur scientist like nomuse do you? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 439828
Well who says there's no atmosphere on the moon? The government? Are you going to believe them? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 439828
7/7/2009 4:38 AM | | Re: this idiot believes we never went to the moon | Quote |
An atmosphere on the moon, who would have thought eh? And do you call yourself an amateur scientist like nomuse do you?
Well who says there's no atmosphere on the moon? The government? Are you going to believe them? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 716321
Well I don't know, what do you think I should believe? After all you could be anyone, however that doesn't matter, I'll trust your judgment. After all why would a complete stranger on the internet want to deceive and lie to me, what gain would someone like yourself have in doing that.
nomuse can you tell us ignorant morons of the world if the moon has an atmosphere or not, I'm more than a little confused now.
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| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 719679
7/7/2009 3:26 PM | | Re: this idiot believes we never went to the moon | Quote |
oh you are such a rude person, nomuse: here I was starting to think about coming over to the dark side, and start trumpeting the 'Love' that exudes from NASA and their Apollo Propaganda Program.
Now all I can do is cry myself to sleep while in a fetal position. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 439828
Oh, no, you don't get that in the sciences. If you aren't prepared to be insulted, demeaned, have your work attacked, have people point out your mistakes in great detail, you won't make it in science or engineering.
You want instant acceptance and unconditional love? Try religion. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 719679
7/7/2009 3:30 PM | | Re: this idiot believes we never went to the moon | Quote |
An atmosphere on the moon, who would have thought eh? And do you call yourself an amateur scientist like nomuse do you?
Well who says there's no atmosphere on the moon? The government? Are you going to believe them? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 716321
A telescope over two inches says it. [link to www.skyandtelescope.com]
First worked out two hundred years before spaceflight. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 719679
7/7/2009 3:34 PM | | Re: this idiot believes we never went to the moon | Quote |
Well I don't know, what do you think I should believe? After all you could be anyone, however that doesn't matter, I'll trust your judgment. After all why would a complete stranger on the internet want to deceive and lie to me, what gain would someone like yourself have in doing that.
nomuse can you tell us ignorant morons of the world if the moon has an atmosphere or not, I'm more than a little confused now.
Don't trust me. That would be stupid. Don't get your information from some anonymous person in a forum; find out for yourself.
The experiment can be done from Earth and was first done in the 1700's.
(The same rule holds for every question I have ever answered here. You CAN find out for yourself. That's why I make so much effort to show you how.) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 634208
7/7/2009 4:09 PM | | Re: this idiot believes we never went to the moon | Quote |
* There is no atmosphere on the moon, and therefore it is scientifically impossible for any wind to be blowing across the moon's surface. Nevertheless, the flag allegedly planted by U.S. astronauts can be clearly seen flapping in the breeze in NASA's footage of the landings. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 711872
It moves when the astronauts shake or vibrate the pole it's attached to, all without atmosphere... amazing!
* The lack of atmosphere means that the astronauts should have been treated to the most brilliant display of stars ever viewed by man. Nevertheless, no stars are visible in the lunar sky in any of the still photos or videotape supposedly shot on the moon. Quoting: AC
Our air is transparent to visible light. Stars aren't any brighter on the moon than they are here, and since fast daylight exposures (to properly expose the moon's surface) are incapable of capturing stars shot at night on earth, they can't capture stars on the moon either.
* There is, as previously noted, no blast crater visible under any of the lunar landing modules, despite the fact that NASA's own artist renderings clearly show the presence of a large blast crater. Also, in the official NASA footage of the first landing, shot from within the module as it allegedly descended to the lunar surface, no engine noise can be heard, and there are no visible flames, smoke, or dust. Quoting: AC
As previously noted, the thrust of the engine at landing is less than 1/10th of a harrier's, or about 1lb/square inch. Harriers do not produce craters either. Since there is no air, there are no flames, and no noise either. When was the last time you heard noise during video of a shuttle deorbit burn?
* The landing module, or LEM, never once successfully landed in test flights taken on Earth, and yet the modules performed perfectly on all six lunar landings. Quoting: AC
The LEM can't land in earth's gravity because that's not where it was designed to operate. It was never even attempted on earth. It was fully tested in LEO, however, as well as lunar orbit. Meanwhile, the LLTV training craft designed to sim the lem had many successful landings.
* The designer of the cameras allegedly used on the missions has stated publicly that it would have been impossible for the astronauts to use them as they are seen doing in NASA's footage. Specifically, it would not have been possible for the men to see into the viewfinder to verify that the shot was properly composed and in focus. Nevertheless, thousands of photos were brought back, all perfectly framed and sharply focused. Quoting: AC
The true designer would have known they didn't come with a viewfinder, they came with ironsights. As for all of the shots brought back being perfectly framed and focused? Bullshit:
[link to www.lpi.usra.edu]
* All of the light available to the astronauts on the moon would have come from a single source -- the sun. NASA acknowledges that no supplemental lighting was available to the astronauts. Nevertheless, many of the photos taken show shadows cast in more than one direction, indicating that there had to have been multiple light sources used. Quoting: AC
Bullshit; the moon itself provided indirect lighting. Also, different shadows in different directions is normal:
[link to www.clavius.org]
* Since there was only one light source, any persons or objects lying in the shadows of other objects would be unlit. Nevertheless, many of the photos show the astronauts and their equipment standing in the shadows, and yet they are fully lit -- again indicating that supplemental lighting was used. Quoting: AC
It's called the bright lunar surface.
* There are identical backgrounds visible in still photos and videotape allegedly shot at different locations on the moon. Superimposing those background shots verifies that they are, in fact, exactly the same in every detail. They appear to be a studio backdrop. Quoting: AC
Exactly the same? Wrong; they show parallax resulting from being taken in very different locations pointing towards the same distant mountains. Putting them side by side makes for some nice cross-eye stereograms, proving the mountains were real:
[link to photobucket.com]
* There are also identical foregrounds in some of the shots, again allegedly shot at different times and at different locations on the moon. Quoting: AC
The only time you see the same foregrounds are when the astronauts are visiting the same stations.
* There were cross-hair reference marks etched into the lenses of the cameras used on the missions. These marks should at all times appear on top of whatever objects were being photographed. Nevertheless, in many of the shots, the marks are partially blocked by objects in the photos, indicating that the images had to have been altered. Quoting: AC
In every example the fiducial is seen in the high res copies, but is washed out by bright objects in low res copies.
* Some scientists have claimed that the suits worn by the astronauts would not have protected them from the temperature extremes present on the moon. Due to the lack of atmosphere, the temperature in the sun would have been somewhere around +250 degrees. Stepping into the shadows, it would have dropped instantly to -250 degrees. Quoting: AC
There is no heat conduction by convection in space, only radiative transfer. Their temperature wouldn't drop instantly. By the way, the ISS's skin and handrails get up to about 200 degrees in sunlight and minus that much in shadow; how is that any different for spacewalkers climbing around ISS for 6 hours?
* Many scientists have also questioned how the astronauts could have survived passing through the intense radioactivity of the Van Allen radiation belts. By some estimates, protection from the belts - thousands of feet wide - would have required a solid envelope of lead some four feet thick. Quoting: AC
Lead is the worst choice for shielding as you need extra to protect from bremmsstrahlung. At 3mm thickness, aluminum will only allow for a mere 7 rems of radiation exposure per day spent in the belts.
* As with any good conspiracy, there is the requisite trail of bodies surrounding the Apollo flights.
If there were a conspiracy, you'd be a dead body too. Luckily not a single one of your points contains a shred of truth. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 719679
7/7/2009 4:23 PM | | Re: this idiot believes we never went to the moon | Quote |
* There is no atmosphere on the moon, and therefore it is scientifically impossible for any wind to be blowing across the moon's surface. Nevertheless, the flag allegedly planted by U.S. astronauts can be clearly seen flapping in the breeze in NASA's footage of the landings. *
It moves when the astronauts shake or vibrate the pole it's attached to, all without atmosphere... amazing! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 634208
Plus of course you'd see dust kicking about -- heck, if the fans on set were blowing hard enough to flap the flag, they'd be rippling the pressure suit overgarments, throwing small objects across the set, etc. I mean...that's at least a Force 4 wind there, to make a big wiggle like that!
Or, as you said, an astronaut with his hands on the pole.
* The lack of atmosphere means that the astronauts should have been treated to the most brilliant display of stars ever viewed by man. Nevertheless, no stars are visible in the lunar sky in any of the still photos or videotape supposedly shot on the moon. *
Our air is transparent to visible light. Stars aren't any brighter on the moon than they are here, and since fast daylight exposures (to properly expose the moon's surface) are incapable of capturing stars shot at night on earth, they can't capture stars on the moon either. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 634208
Probably too much information for these guys, but it's actually 20 percent dimmer or so down here. You can approximate; look at stars at about 30 degrees from the horizon (on a dark night on Earth, without light pollution from nearby to cause skyglow). Now look straight up at the zenith. You are approximately doubling the thickness of atmosphere you look through when you take the lower look. So that gives an order of magnitude for how much effect the atmosphere has. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 634208
7/7/2009 4:33 PM | | Re: this idiot believes we never went to the moon | Quote |
Probably too much information for these guys, but it's actually 20 percent dimmer or so down here. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 719679
True, but that also depends on whether you're looking at the stars at sea level or from high mountaintop observatories. For all intents and purposes of photography there's no effective difference on short exposures. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 634208
7/7/2009 4:35 PM | | Re: this idiot believes we never went to the moon | Quote |
Exactly the same? Wrong; they show parallax resulting from being taken in very different locations pointing towards the same distant mountains. Putting them side by side makes for some nice cross-eye stereograms, proving the mountains were real:
[ link to photobucket.com]
Not sure why my link isn't working, copy and paste into a new window if you want it to work. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 720682
7/7/2009 11:16 PM | | Re: this idiot believes we never went to the moon | Quote |
Probably too much information for these guys, but it's actually 20 percent dimmer or so down here.
True, but that also depends on whether you're looking at the stars at sea level or from high mountaintop observatories. For all intents and purposes of photography there's no effective difference on short exposures. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 634208
Yah. Particularly given that human sensitivity to light is non-linear.
But even more...stars are DIM. That's light, reduced by the same inverse-square law that governs a simple light bulb, shining from so far away the light takes hundreds of years to get here.
The brightest star in the sky (well, outside the Sun of course!) is a magnitude less than Venus...a dozen magnitudes less bright than the Moon. And the magnitude scale is a log scale; Venus (at it's brightest) is over fifteen times brighter than Sirius. And Sirius is a very bright star. There are no more than a dozen in the same range.
Which is a long way of saying, even if our atmosphere was so thick the stars were barely 1/10 as bright down here, you'd still see shit. Ten times dim is still dim. |
| Chasm
User ID: 720869
7/8/2009 8:10 AM | | Re: this idiot believes we never went to the moon | Quote |
Any human travel outside earth orbit and/or to another celestial body faces the unresolved scientific question of the effects of radiation of all kinds on the human body, both in deep space and on that celestial body. NASA now admits that it does not know what those effects are, and is thus conducting exactly the experiments that we would expect:
[ link to dsc.discovery.com]
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" That part of the radiation environment has not been well observed in the past," said Boston University's Harlan Spence, the lead scientist for LRO's Cosmic Ray Telescope for the Effects of Radiation, or CRaTER instrument. "
Twisting an article to back up your belief is a weak argument. Actually look at the report you have referred to. Here is the passage you quoted, including the sentence before the section you decided to used. It is VERY relevant...
The agency plans to keep its crews on the moon far longer than the Apollo voyages and also travel beyond the equatorial zone where all six of the Apollo moon landings occurred.
"That part of the radiation environment has not been well observed in the past," said Boston University's Harlan Spence, the lead scientist for LRO's Cosmic Ray Telescope for the Effects of Radiation, or CRaTER instrument.
That part, OK? Now that makes it a bit clearer doesn't it? Unfortunately in its entirity your "source" doesn't back up your view at all. On the contrary it explains why further research is required and why. Ever heard the phrase "standing on the shoulders of giants"?
Because of the completely different and vastly more ambitious mission profiles of the Constellation program, further research is needed. A 6 month stay in the polar region of the Moon will pose a completely different set of risks to the crew than those faced by the Apollo astronauts.
It is all quite clear when you understand. I assume your error is a misunderstanding of the research being undertaken. If not then maybe you are being "economical with the truth".
Should you need any facts further clarified please feel free to contact the people involved.
[link to lunar.gsfc.nasa.gov]
[link to www.nasa.gov]
I am sure they will be happy to provide you with all the info you request, and correct any mistaken assumptions that you may have.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - George Orwell |
| Chasm
User ID: 720869
7/8/2009 8:23 AM | | Re: this idiot believes we never went to the moon | Quote |
Amen! And I Still want to Slap the living Fuck out of those Two!..TY! Quoting: Innocentwolf15 549832
Amen?? Do I note a tinge of the delusional "Christ Sky-god cult"? How very brave of "Jesus Rambo" to make threats on an internet forum. We are fearfully quaking in our boots (Not).
Innocentwolf? Dr Who fan are you? Well put your toy Dalek down long enough to consider this "hypothetical" situation.
Just imagine that your delusional paranoid conspiracy thinking is based on reality. Maybe the illuminati is in charge, and operating on behalf of a vastly superior advanced non-human intelligence.What if the agenda here is to help humanity achieve a level of consciousness BEFORE being allowed to enter the Cosmic community present and vibrant, widespread across the universe.
Maybe all that is holding humanity back is that some members of it are closer to primates than advanced thinking beings. Maybe all this talk of a population cull is not "mental health" problems, but an effort to treat an infection of ignorance in what is otherwise a very promising and worthwhile species with great potential.
Perhaps some types of "organised religion" and "collective dysfunctional thinking" are the single biggest hurdle to overcome before humanity leaves its cradle to take its rightful place amongst the Star beings. Perhaps that is the PROJECT!
Would you even know if you had made contact with "the illuminati"? Would you know if you had been singled out by them? Would you know if they decided to mess with your mind?
Heard of EEG's? The human brain is teeming with electrical activity. How hard would it be for a race several BILLION years more advanced than humanity to tinker with that feeble static charge present in your cranium?
Any moral issues are irrelevant. After all it is dealing with the "pond-life" element of humanity, a bit like prescribing a dose of anti-biotics to treat a chest infection.
Electro magnetic radiation is all around you carrying messages you are aware of, but how do you know there isn't other signals present, targetting you specifically? What about your computer monitor? Your TV? Your telephones? Could you be the subject of an experiment right now, having chosen yourself by the "primitive savage" response you have posted on here?
Are your eyes feeling a bit tired? Does it get better when you stop looking at your computer monitor? Hmmm...
How about that dull headache you have had the last few hours..Eh? Does it lift when you move away from your Computer, telephones or your TV? Now why is that?
Oh how about that low level hum in your ears, in your head, in your thoughts? Does it lessen when you put some distance between you and your beloved hi-tech electrical toys?
So what are you going to do? Pray to your make-belief false sky god? Maybe you should try one of these:
[link to zapatopi.net]
Maybe that would just amplify and focus the signals into the centre of the near vacuum in your skull. So what else are you going to do?
Of course this may all be BS, and I could have made it all up. The important thing is that you will NEVER EVER know for sure.
So Rambo, some food for thought eh? When you try to get to sleep tonight, you probably will not NOT have sweet dreams.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - George Orwell |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 721053
7/8/2009 7:52 PM | | Re: this idiot believes we never went to the moon | Quote |
Amen! And I Still want to Slap the living Fuck out of those Two!..TY!
Amen?? Do I note a tinge of the delusional "Christ Sky-god cult"? How very brave of "Jesus Rambo" to make threats on an internet forum. We are fearfully quaking in our boots (Not).
Innocentwolf? Dr Who fan are you? Well put your toy Dalek down long enough to consider this "hypothetical" situation.
Just imagine that your delusional paranoid conspiracy thinking is based on reality. Maybe the illuminati is in charge, and operating on behalf of a vastly superior advanced non-human intelligence.What if the agenda here is to help humanity achieve a level of consciousness BEFORE being allowed to enter the Cosmic community present and vibrant, widespread across the universe.
Maybe all that is holding humanity back is that some members of it are closer to primates than advanced thinking beings. Maybe all this talk of a population cull is not "mental health" problems, but an effort to treat an infection of ignorance in what is otherwise a very promising and worthwhile species with great potential.
Perhaps some types of "organised religion" and "collective dysfunctional thinking" are the single biggest hurdle to overcome before humanity leaves its cradle to take its rightful place amongst the Star beings. Perhaps that is the PROJECT!
Would you even know if you had made contact with "the illuminati"? Would you know if you had been singled out by them? Would you know if they decided to mess with your mind?
Heard of EEG's? The human brain is teeming with electrical activity. How hard would it be for a race several BILLION years more advanced than humanity to tinker with that feeble static charge present in your cranium?
Any moral issues are irrelevant. After all it is dealing with the "pond-life" element of humanity, a bit like prescribing a dose of anti-biotics to treat a chest infection.
Electro magnetic radiation is all around you carrying messages you are aware of, but how do you know there isn't other signals present, targetting you specifically? What about your computer monitor? Your TV? Your telephones? Could you be the subject of an experiment right now, having chosen yourself by the "primitive savage" response you have posted on here?
Are your eyes feeling a bit tired? Does it get better when you stop looking at your computer monitor? Hmmm...
How about that dull headache you have had the last few hours..Eh? Does it lift when you move away from your Computer, telephones or your TV? Now why is that?
Oh how about that low level hum in your ears, in your head, in your thoughts? Does it lessen when you put some distance between you and your beloved hi-tech electrical toys?
So what are you going to do? Pray to your make-belief false sky god? Maybe you should try one of these:
[ link to zapatopi.net]
Maybe that would just amplify and focus the signals into the centre of the near vacuum in your skull. So what else are you going to do?
Of course this may all be BS, and I could have made it all up. The important thing is that you will NEVER EVER know for sure.
So Rambo, some food for thought eh? When you try to get to sleep tonight, you probably will not NOT have sweet dreams.
They think with their fancy toys and big guns they are god.
They think they own the sky, the earth and all of life.
They think they will not die and have to answer to their own souls for what they are doing to their brothers and to the earth...
They think no one sees their murders their lies their thefts their grevious assaults on anything good and decent.
All will be exposed. Every single bit of it. |
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here I was starting to think about coming over to the dark side, and start trumpeting the 'Love' 
that exudes from NASA and their Apollo Propaganda Program.
