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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 488240
 United States
7/2/2009 1:04 PM | | Re: If Adam didn't sin, was he going to heaven? | Quote |
Good question.
If Adam did not sin, he would've never died, hence never gone to heaven... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 640526
 Austria
7/2/2009 1:15 PM | | Re: If Adam didn't sin, was he going to heaven? | Quote |
Good question.
If Adam did not sin, he would've never died, hence never gone to heaven... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 488240
Not really,one who knows some OT history should know that Genesis is based on old lists eventually reaching back to Babylonian and Sumerian Kinglists. But these say,according to modern translations: When the kingdom first descended from heaven …”, When Adam, the first of the kinglist descended from heaven…OT was written much later.
move one step back to here
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| MagiChristmas 
Cher Ami -- When did Pigeons not= Doves?
User ID: 716617
United States
7/2/2009 1:30 PM
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If Noah, that is one of the Adamic race found favour in the eyes of God that can only mean that Adam, the founder of the Adamic Race found favour in the
eyes of God, its logical.
That man would CHOSE to know good from evil was part of God's plan.
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| Candace
User ID: 272605
United States
7/2/2009 1:42 PM | | Re: If Adam didn't sin, was he going to heaven? | Quote |
ADam did sin, and so did Eve, and they were from heaven in the first place before they came to earth, and they returned to heaven and continue to live there now. Heaven is NOT understood, nor is sin on this planet, as evidenced by the discussion in this thread. Eve had sex outside her marriage. When ADam learned this, he did too, not in revenge, but because he loved Eve so much he shared in her error. There were on a special mission to earth to uplift the DNA of the peoples here and they blew it and thus the mission was screwed up, quite literally, heavenly violet DNA injected into the races before it was time. An ungodly one tempted Eve to do this and they were both were so distressed with the lack of learning by earth folks and the slowness of the progress of this mission, that they put their very HOLY DNA into earth's DNA before it was time to do so. I said this twice, so it might register.
Adam and Eve's go to nearly every evolutionary planet to upgrade the races at that time when the natural evolution has maxed out. They breed of course with each other, and so do their many children, grandchildren and the like, until there are about 1/2 to 1 million direct pure descendants, and then the descendants marry into the best of the races at that time to uplift the DNA. God has NO problem with relatives marrying, the problem is that doing so brings out defective DNA combinations in inferior races. There is not this problem in perfected DNA.
Their sin, Eve's sin was impatience to get the HOLY violet DNA into earth man. It was too early, but they were highly discouraged, as are the ascended masters and Jesus here now with humans and their lack of maturing into a responsible civilizations. There is NO responsible civilization on this earth at this time. STILL. America was to be that civilization, but they got caught up in religion and instead of being the light and showing the way, we are at the bottom on the heap of "advanced" nations.
American religionists have chosen to wait on the false rapture, have chosen war, because they think they must have war and armegeddon on the horizon in order to convince Jesus to show up on his white light, or his white horse and take them away in bodies that DO NOT LIVE in heaven, to heaven. Go figure. Put on your thinking caps please.
I would advise you all to get a copy of the Urantia book and start reading it. It is on the web, but is over 2000 pages long and you need a personal copy. The bible has been changed and also not interpreted correctly.
You guys don't even have a concept of what heaven is, or where it is, or how you come to live there, or any concept at all about what it is to have eternal life and just how long eternity it. The Creations is many, many trillions of years old already. What ever do you do in heaven for trillions of years?
You are here in this life, in any life to grow your mind, and grow in wisdom, and grow in spirituality, not religion, and to learn moral behavior. If the churches, the false christs were actually to teach this, and people we actually to listen to the idea, we might have responsiblle civilizations coming into being. We are going to build "heaven" on this planet.
Last Edited by Candace on 7/2/2009 at 1:49 PM
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 640526
Austria
7/2/2009 2:17 PM | | Re: If Adam didn't sin, was he going to heaven? | Quote |
Going back to the sources as far as reliable the question of Eve indeed was of top priority in all shades of distinction, but no final answer was ever reached, no answer that could convice all. Fact is, in oldest records Eve was forcibly captured when left alone while Adam was forced to battle Satan, but never ever was Eve being touched by anyone, not even Satan dared to touch her, which is sort of miraculous. Eve was reunited to Adam. One needs to be a scholar to go back to originals to understand these myths in depths. |
| DGN
Revelation in real time
User ID: 633927
United States
7/3/2009 1:51 AM
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No, he would have lived on earth forever.
Finally....some logic!
You are correct sir. If he never died, he could not go to heaven, at least not according to Paul:
"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption" (1 Corinthians 15:50, KJV).
Of course, Paul apparently never heard of Elijah and Enoch! Quoting: The Professor 660063
If they literally went to heaven, how did Jesus miss it?
" If I have told YOU earthly things and yet YOU do not believe, how will YOU believe if I tell YOU heavenly things? Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man." Jo3:13
Who knows more about this Professor, you or Jesus?
Ya really don't seem to be doing much homework after all our debates Pro...... r ya? 
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 640526
Austria
7/3/2009 7:58 AM | | Re: If Adam didn't sin, was he going to heaven? | Quote |
No, he would have lived on earth forever.
Finally....some logic!
You are correct sir. If he never died, he could not go to heaven, at least not according to Paul:
"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption" (1 Corinthians 15:50, KJV).
Of course, Paul apparently never heard of Elijah and Enoch!
If they literally went to heaven, how did Jesus miss it?
" If I have told YOU earthly things and yet YOU do not believe, how will YOU believe if I tell YOU heavenly things? Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man." Jo3:13
Who knows more about this Professor, you or Jesus?
Ya really don't seem to be doing much homework after all our debates Pro...... r ya?
get some translations for Son of Man
one at least is Son of Adam,adamah
and adam descended from heaven, as sources say
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717186
United States
7/3/2009 8:19 AM | | Re: If Adam didn't sin, was he going to heaven? | Quote |
He was already in heaven on earth until he disobeyed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 715359
Not, read Genesis. He created earth and put him on it and also read and find out what Adam was supposed to do then. Everyone tries to make everything so complicated. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 711576
 Canada
7/3/2009 8:33 AM | | Re: If Adam didn't sin, was he going to heaven? | Quote |
Everyone can go to heaven if they want stop believing made up fairytales designed to control you into being a good slave. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 640526
Austria
7/3/2009 3:35 PM | | Re: If Adam didn't sin, was he going to heaven? | Quote |
good slave= slave to Adam
bad slave= slave to Satan |
| DGN
Revelation in real time
User ID: 783686
United States
10/17/2009 2:49 PM
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No, he would have lived on earth forever.
Finally....some logic!
You are correct sir. If he never died, he could not go to heaven, at least not according to Paul:
"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption" (1 Corinthians 15:50, KJV).
Of course, Paul apparently never heard of Elijah and Enoch!
If they literally went to heaven, how did Jesus miss it?
" If I have told YOU earthly things and yet YOU do not believe, how will YOU believe if I tell YOU heavenly things? Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man." Jo3:13
Who knows more about this Professor, you or Jesus?
Ya really don't seem to be doing much homework after all our debates Pro...... r ya?
get some translations for Son of Man
one at least is Son of Adam,adamah
and adam descended from heaven, as sources say
Adam descended from heaven? If he was a spirit made of energy, why would Jehovah transform him into human form to live on earth, where did this idea come from, the twilight zone? Here's what God says:  "And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul. 8 Further, Jehovah God planted a garden in E′den, toward the east, and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9 Thus Jehovah God made to grow out of the ground every tree desirable to one’s sight and good for food and also the tree of life in the middle of the garden and the tree of the knowledge of good and bad." Ge2:7
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| MagiChristmas
Cher Ami -- When did Pigeons not= Doves?
User ID: 554973
United States
10/17/2009 3:05 PM
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Enoch
The seventh from Adam. Son of Jared, and father of Methuselah (Gen. 5: 18-24; Luke 3: 37; Heb. 11: 5). The biblical account of Enoch is scanty. It tells us that he was translated, but gives nothing of the details of his ministry. A quotation from his prophecy is found in Jude 1: 14. From latter-day revelation we learn much more of Enoch; specifically of his preaching, his city called Zion, his visions, and his prophecies. See D&C 107: 49-57; Moses 6 & 7. From these sources we observe that he was a preacher of righteousness and a vigorous exponent of the gospel of Jesus Christ. We also note that not only Enoch, but also his entire city was translated. We also become aware that Enoch was a much greater person, with a far more significant ministry than one would ever suppose from the Bible alone.
There are at least three apocalyptic works purporting to be books of Enoch; these are included in the category usually called “pseudepigrapha,” meaning writings under assumed names, compiled long after the time of the supposed author. On the basis of latter-day revelation it appears there are some truths contained in the apocalyptic Enoch books.
See also Pseudepigrapha.
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Tis True, Tis True, Second Degree Doom Doth Ensue precisely as prescribed several months prior.
Discern the TRUTH of the TimeTable of Doom described in the aforementioned links. The TToD is Based on April 6th aka The MOST Significant day - 4.6 magnitude precursor earthquake struck Italy on April 6th shortly after the Prophet spoke. Then the major earthquake event occurred shortly after general conference adjourned. Ref=lds.org
The swine flu epidemic also emerged on April 6th in Mexico.
The deception continues to crumble.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 796394
United States
10/17/2009 3:19 PM | | Re: If Adam didn't sin, was he going to heaven? | Quote |
That's a hard question to answer. Adam was a myth figure, as well as the garden of eden. The myth says he did sin, we don't know if he really had a reasonable choice. God didn't say what it was all about.
You notice that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is planted right in the middle of the garden where adam couldn't miss it. I think God wanted him to eat the apple. In my opinion God is pleased if his creations show a little independence and sin, even though they must pay for it. It's easier to reform a bad boy than to give courage to a spineless wimp. That's a fact.
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| DGN
Revelation in real time
User ID: 783686
United States
10/17/2009 4:13 PM
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????
That's a hard question to answer. Adam was a myth figure, as well as the garden of eden. The myth says he did sin, we don't know if he really had a reasonable choice. God didn't say what it was all about.
You notice that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is planted right in the middle of the garden where adam couldn't miss it. I think God wanted him to eat the apple. In my opinion God is pleased if his creations show a little independence and sin, even though they must pay for it. It's easier to reform a bad boy than to give courage to a spineless wimp. That's a fact.
Dance Ballerina, Dance!
So if your son stole cash out of your wallet, you'd commend his courage? I wonder if your boss would do the same for you? Adam had no need to steal from God's only tree, it was not put there for temtation, it provided the easiest possible way for Adam to show appreciation for God's gifts,simply by not taking what wasn't his. "Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it began to say to the woman: “Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from every tree of the garden?” 2 At this the woman said to the serpent: “Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. 3 But as for [eating] of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die.’” 4 At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die. 5 For God knows that in the very day of YOUR eating from it YOUR eyes are bound to be opened and YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad." Ge3:1 
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