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Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun
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peter7
User ID: 653116
7/2/2009 8:07 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
... mercury hitting the sun and lens flair is planet X ? Kent left early. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 716422
7/2/2009 9:14 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
What the hell ? Gone , back , gone ... A planet can't do that , it must be something advanced by the looks of it Quoting: Grandmaster Nimzo 706367
yes! you can bet on it!
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Moncrieffe
User ID: 538386
7/2/2009 9:14 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
Got another email from Mr. Gurman from NASA. Also, it seems we aren't alone at GLP in wondering what this is, apparently (from the string of replies in his response, not shown because of lack of relevance), a LOT of people sent them emails yesterday asking about it.
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Joe Davila is undoubtedly correct. We have been having some
issues with the Website this week, so I wasn't able to find the "Where is [are?] STEREO?" page at its old URL. If you check that page you see that Mercury is indeed within the few degrees of the Sun field of view of COR2, but Venus is too far away. COR2 has field of view that shows up to 7.5 degrees from the Sun (2 to 15 solar radii).
Sorry for the misdirection,
Joe Gurman
> Joe
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> Looking at the "where's STEREO" display that Bill put together at
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> [link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
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> I think it looks more like Mercury in the FOV. Venus would be further out in the field of view of COR2-B.
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> Joe
Last Edited by Moncrieffe on 7/2/2009 at 9:20 AM |
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noKnothing~
User ID: 631297
7/2/2009 9:35 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
He 'thinks?'.....fishy. Anyway its getting closer and closer, still does not make sense to see the transit this early, remember we are 4 days early.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 716449
7/2/2009 9:53 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
interesting *bumP* |
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Moncrieffe
User ID: 538386
7/2/2009 9:56 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
He 'thinks?'.....fishy. Quoting: noKnothing~
I was caught by that wording also.
You'd think if this were purely planetary, they wouldn't "think", they'd "know". They are NASA, after all. Wouldn't they have seen this a number of times before? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 703130
7/2/2009 10:05 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
My theory is that we are all already dead , and we are all just ghosts imagining that we're still alive. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 496282
7/2/2009 10:06 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
My theory is that we are all already dead , and we are all just ghosts imagining that we're still alive. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 703130
Mine is that we are repeating the past until we get the outcome right which maybe never - sorta like a rubiks cube but with many many more variables - many depending on our influence on others ... as it has been it will be |
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SunSpot
User ID: 17061
7/2/2009 10:16 AM
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He 'thinks?'.....fishy. Anyway its getting closer and closer, still does not make sense to see the transit this early, remember we are 4 days early. Quoting: noKnothing~
The July 6 date that people keep posting on here is for the SOHO spacecraft, not STEREO. I haven't seen any official dates for STEREO. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 716309
7/2/2009 10:17 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
The horrible thing is NOT that a NASA HOAX thread got 30,000+ clicks yesterday. It is that you did not get what the hoax is
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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Moncrieffe
User ID: 538386
7/2/2009 10:19 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 716309
And having read that thread, apparently, neither do you. Instead of being cryptic, why not just enlighten us? Pretend we are all morons, and you tell US what it is then. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 660262
7/2/2009 10:20 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
He 'thinks?'.....fishy.
I was caught by that wording also.
You'd think if this were purely planetary, they wouldn't "think", they'd "know". They are NASA, after all. Wouldn't they have seen this a number of times before? Quoting: Moncrieffe
Not necessarily. The guy you first emailed was probably a web server admin, responsible for keeping that page updated. No reason he should know immediately what's coming into view. So you got a guess that it might be Venus, but he copied in someone who might know more astronomy.
Remember, NASA's a huge organisation. The guys who'd just know off the top of their head where Mercury was are over on the Mercury Messenger project. These guys we've had emails from here would know their stuff about coronal physics and the solar wind, but just like the rest of us, if they wanted to know where Venus and Mercury were relative to STEREO-B, they'd have to go away and look it up.
There's an add-on file for Celestia here which allows you to simulate views from both STEREO spacecraft for yourself. However, both spacecraft are drifting and since the orbital elements are a few months old you'll need to update the figures. The author gives a link to the source, but apparently working out how it's done is an exercise for the reader...
[link to astroblogger.blogspot.com] |
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Moncrieffe
User ID: 538386
7/2/2009 10:28 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
Not necessarily. The guy you first emailed was probably a web server admin, responsible for keeping that page updated. No reason he should know immediately what's coming into view. So you got a guess that it might be Venus, but he copied in someone who might know more astronomy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 660262
Interesting link AC, will check it out further when I get to work.
FYI, I think I found who I was emailing:
[link to umbra.nascom.nasa.gov]
"Facility Scientist, Solar Data Analysis Center"
So not just a webserver admin! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 678872
7/2/2009 10:32 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
And some other stuff but my memory isn't that great. I didn't know it would be deleted or I would have saved it.
One of bazillions.... Quoting: RememberThis
Bazillion is related to Basiliscus? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 660262
7/2/2009 10:34 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
... in fact, converting between Horizons ephemeris and the format Celestia or Stellarium expect is a bloody laborious process. Ought to write a shell script or something to automate it... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 716484
7/2/2009 10:42 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
Holy crap!!!
I think it's really time to get answers from serious astronomers!!!
I took a look at today's piuctures and especially this one caught my attention:
> [link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
Zoom in on that object and compare it to this on:
> [link to images.google.de]
It's an image of ERIS!!!
Please somebody tell me that i'm totally wrong, this must not be true!!!
Following todays Pictures it looks like this Object is orbited by another Object...
> [link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
This could very well be Dysnomia, the Moon which surrounds Eris?!
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JeepThang
User ID: 638352
7/2/2009 10:44 AM
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 716484
Hey! Whos is that guy and why is he eating his tie?
Also..
I am very interested in knowing how much time we have left before the collapse and/or destruction of society/planet/etc.
there are many things I would like to do before time runs out.
thanks!
--
George Washington: "A free people ought to be armed." (Jan 14 1790, Boston Independent Chronicle.)
JeepThang
O||||O |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 689582
7/2/2009 10:44 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
Hi, I'm MERCURY. Now go back to reading your Bibles. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 714626
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 636900
7/2/2009 10:46 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
Latest batch of crop circles are pointing towards a major event (CME related) on July 7th.
[ link to www.earthfiles.com]
Read Part 1 and Part 2. In part 2 they talk about the circles pointing to July 7th, but on the sun nothing is happening.
Perhaps this thing is what is going to happen on 7th!!!
AMAZING explanation
still doesnt say-what this will mean for us. |
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Normal Is Subjective
User ID: 715846
7/2/2009 11:09 AM
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Holy crap!!!
I think it's really time to get answers from serious astronomers!!!
I took a look at today's piuctures and especially this one caught my attention:
> [ link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
Zoom in on that object and compare it to this on:
> [ link to images.google.de]
It's an image of ERIS!!!
Please somebody tell me that i'm totally wrong, this must not be true!!!
Following todays Pictures it looks like this Object is orbited by another Object...
> [ link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
This could very well be Dysnomia, the Moon which surrounds Eris?!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 716484
Maybe Mercury grew a moon. Very Eris-like though eh?
I thought I'd beat the inevitibility of death to death just a little bit. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 82347
7/2/2009 11:25 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
Its Micheal Jackson. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 82347
7/2/2009 11:26 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
Its Micheal Jackson. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82347
He is has been tossed toward the flame that is never quenched. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 716285
7/2/2009 11:31 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
Hey! Whos is that guy and why is he eating his tie? Quoting: JeepThang
Mikheil Saakashvili, US puppet dictator in Georgia. Why's he eating his tie? He's Fucking crazy. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 660262
7/2/2009 11:41 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
OK, I've got STEREO-B's orbit updated and loaded into Celestia, and I'm running some simulations.
Mercury's pretty much spot on where we see it here. Running time forward, it moves right to left and passes behind the Sun.
Going forward further, Venus and Mars move in from the right, while Mercury finishes orbiting out to the far left and comes back inwards. Now I don't know exactly how valid forecasts are this far out, since STEREO-B's orbit is drifting continually, but it looks like all three planets will be very near the Sun as seen from STEREO-B on the 10th of August. Keep an eye out for it.
I'll post a couple of pics:
[link to img407.imageshack.us]
[link to img26.imageshack.us] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 660262
7/2/2009 11:47 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
And here's the data file containing current orbital elements for both STEREO spacecraft. Save it as STEREO.ssc and copy it into /usr/share/celestia/extras, or whatever the equivalent location is on your distribution.
Oh, and I need to try to find that rosetta.3ds file. Even though it's presumably a model of Rosetta and not STEREO, it would be nice to have _something_ there where the spacecraft's supposed to be :-)
"STEREO-A" "Sol"
{
Class "spacecraft"
Mesh "rosetta.3ds"
Radius 0.005
EllipticalOrbit
{
Epoch 2455014.500000000 # = A.D. 2009-Jul-02 00:00:00.0000 (CT)
Period 344.5173389821580
SemiMajorAxis 0.9617785894270349
Eccentricity 0.0005665468759947536
Inclination 0.1254386682135602
AscendingNode 214.1413667385982
ArgOfPericenter 93.11454410996443
MeanAnomaly 26.26461890243098
}
Albedo 0.5
}
"STEREO-B" "Sol"
{
Class "spacecraft"
Mesh "rosetta.3ds"
Radius 0.005
EllipticalOrbit
{
Epoch 2455014.500000000 #= A.D. 2009-Jul-02 00:00:00.0000
Period 389.0383212939797
SemiMajorAxis 1.042947955613607
Eccentricity 0.004149066184846391
Inclination 0.2942241935533622
AscendingNode 336.4574648763053
ArgOfPericenter 146.8469651586678
MeanAnomaly 104.1503749940235
}
Albedo 0.5
} |
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mimi
User ID: 650589
7/2/2009 11:48 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
OK, I've got STEREO-B's orbit updated and loaded into Celestia, and I'm running some simulations.
Mercury's pretty much spot on where we see it here. Running time forward, it moves right to left and passes behind the Sun.
Going forward further, Venus and Mars move in from the right, while Mercury finishes orbiting out to the far left and comes back inwards. Now I don't know exactly how valid forecasts are this far out, since STEREO-B's orbit is drifting continually, but it looks like all three planets will be very near the Sun as seen from STEREO-B on the 10th of August. Keep an eye out for it.
I'll post a couple of pics:
[ link to img407.imageshack.us]
[ link to img26.imageshack.us]
So what does this all mean for us here on earth? I haven't a clue as to the ramifications of all this! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 660262
7/2/2009 11:51 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
OK, I've got STEREO-B's orbit updated and loaded into Celestia, and I'm running some simulations.
Mercury's pretty much spot on where we see it here. Running time forward, it moves right to left and passes behind the Sun.
Going forward further, Venus and Mars move in from the right, while Mercury finishes orbiting out to the far left and comes back inwards. Now I don't know exactly how valid forecasts are this far out, since STEREO-B's orbit is drifting continually, but it looks like all three planets will be very near the Sun as seen from STEREO-B on the 10th of August. Keep an eye out for it.
I'll post a couple of pics:
[ link to img407.imageshack.us]
[ link to img26.imageshack.us]
So what does this all mean for us here on earth? I haven't a clue as to the ramifications of all this!
Bugger all, of course. But it's bloody difficult to get a view of Mercury from the Earth - it's usually so close to the Sun that it's lost in the glare at sunset or sunrise - so it's nice to be able to track the tricky little bugger from a different vantage point for once. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 683425
7/2/2009 11:54 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
not all of us understand astrobabble, so please in layman's terms spit it out will ya. |
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Ostria
User ID: 716283
7/2/2009 11:57 AM
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So did we crash Stereo site or it crashed by itself?
StatusBoth STEREO spacecraft are currently performing as expected and taking science data on a regular basis.
The STEREO Science Center website is currently down. We hope to have up and operating again in a few days. In the meantime, the alternate anonymous ftp server is available at stereoftp.nascom.nasa.gov.
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 659821
7/2/2009 12:00 PM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
The horrible thing is NOT that a NASA HOAX thread got 30,000+ clicks yesterday. It is that you did not get what the hoax is
[ link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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And having read that thread, apparently, neither do you. Instead of being cryptic, why not just enlighten us? Pretend we are all morons, and you tell US what it is then.
Message is no longer in the database. |
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