Kirk: Well, Spock... what are you thinking about this?
Spock: The COR1 channel scans a narrower field, and the object is smaller in these images than it was in the wider view. Look -: :-
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
This is not logical.... unless...
Anonymous Coward User ID: 716196 United States 7/3/2009 11:35 PM
Who here knows physics? If the object split in two, would the different size and shape of the separate parts cause it to appear as two in one photo, and then due to rotation etc, appear as one again?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 713628 New Zealand 7/3/2009 11:42 PM
Kirk: Well, Spock... what are you thinking about this?
Spock: The COR1 channel scans a narrower field, and the object is smaller in these images than it was in the wider view. Look -: :-
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
This is not logical.... unless...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 713628
... the COR1 channel is in UV, and according to the lawz of fizix, will have much higher resolution.
Kirk: You're right!
Ohura, Checov, Sulu, Scotty:
Anonymous Coward User ID: 712683 United States 7/3/2009 11:47 PM
Who here knows physics? If the object split in two, would the different size and shape of the separate parts cause it to appear as two in one photo, and then due to rotation etc, appear as one again?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 716196
This could be a source of "non definiteness" of the shape of this object, which as many have observed here sometimes seems to be "in flames".
Of course, I don't think we can say that for sure given the low definition of the images but planets (Mercury and others) show much more well defined shape in these images.
Who here knows physics? If the object split in two, would the different size and shape of the separate parts cause it to appear as two in one photo, and then due to rotation etc, appear as one again?
This could be a source of "non definiteness" of the shape of this object, which as many have observed here sometimes seems to be "in flames".
Of course, I don't think we can say that for sure given the low definition of the images but planets (Mercury and others) show much more well defined shape in these images.
Shows similar irregular shape, including a cross-like shape at some point and a blurred/undefined form when approaching the central Solar circle.
I believe the OP has a very good point and he'll probably take the cake!:-)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717633
The object is a pretty small dot compared to the Sun's outline (white circle) in these images:
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
It appears in two of the 4 available there now.
Next one will be up *soon*.
(See the StarTrek spoof above.)
Anonymous Coward User ID: 712683 United States 7/4/2009 12:15 AM
Okay, I need help from those more in the "know" for some of this stuff. I isolated a frame of this object, and created these variations that might help shed some light on what this is:
:sunobjhalo:
It appears to have a core light source (very strong), one level of immediate halo, and one level of extended halo. I am not really very knowledegable is this area, does anyone know if this is behavior to expect with a planet or not? It seems to me if it were strictly the sun reflecting off a planet, you would not see such a stepped halo level in the images, they would be more evenly distributed. I would think the different halo levels would be indicative of self-illumination.
Quoting: Moncrieffe
This is quite a discovery. A square shaped planet!
Dont forget that the Galactic Plane is a denser area of the Cosmos and we may start seeing more of this as we pass through. Why cant NASA give a definitive answer on what this is. Are they trying to play head games with the uninitiated? If its Mercury then just say so.
Whats interesting here, is if its not Mercury and it is a comet, then will we see all the people who have been shouting it's Mercury, own up to their shortcomings? If the latest images are correct, it has two nucleus's, and the CME's seem to be trying to push it away from the Sun. I imagine (Uh Oh) the Sun is not to hip to being blasted by comets. I finally managed to read all the pages and see the pics/vids on this thread. Sorry Im late to the party, this is what I live for. Cosmic Doom. Sweet. At least it will be quick. :CME vs Mag:
Quoting: Phasesphere
Nice post. I believe the great point on all this discussion is why NASA is not more forthcoming and tell us all they know.
This "non straight behavior" force us to look for ourselves, which is good in many aspects, but can bring lots of misconceptions also and, what is worse, disinformation along the way.
If the OP is right, this object could be the 3rd this year coming from the same general direction toward the inner solar system. What could possibly be causing it?
Why they don't answer the questions that we really want to know instead of looking into the "origins of the Universe" and calculating how much "invisible" dark matter there is out there?
Also we've seeing these recent disruptions on the magnetosphere and the wanning of the heliosphere in the last decade, all pointing to some important extraneous force acting over all solar system right now. Not to mention the alterations that some have reported on the atmospheric composition of the planets recently.
But they just give uncertain explanations and never commit themselves to really answer the important questions that everyone wants to know.
I guess it's our burden, but this is what makes us strong after all. With some conflict or not we're learning to look at the skies and find the answers by ourselves.
And maybe someday we won't need *them* anymore!:-)
Anonymous Coward User ID: 717599 United States 7/4/2009 12:24 AM
The object is a pretty small dot compared to the Sun's outline (white circle) in these images:
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
It appears in two of the 4 available there now.
Next one will be up *soon*.
(See the StarTrek spoof above.)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 713628
Yes, somebody has explained that this is because the two sets, COR1 and COR2, belong to different ranges of the EM spectrum. COR1 would be UV.
In this case, the object has low brightness in UV which I believe is quite reasonable either for comets or planets.
I think the object is accelerating a little in the last few hours and it's possible that the next images from COR2 will show it only once or twice or not at all.
I think it's now plunging into the Sun.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 717633 Brazil 7/4/2009 12:27 AM
NASA couild be stuck between a rock and a hard place on this one. On the one hand, if they don't tell us about something so important, how long do you think we as the taxpayers will support them?
On the other, if they do own up and tell us it indeed is an object heading towards the sun it might cause a massive panic.
Interesting to say the least, and if they cut the pics, we will know that it is something they don't want us to know about, but a little late for that now.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 717633 Brazil 7/4/2009 12:30 AM
It appears to have a core light source (very strong), one level of immediate halo, and one level of extended halo. I am not really very knowledegable is this area, does anyone know if this is behavior to expect with a planet or not? It seems to me if it were strictly the sun reflecting off a planet, you would not see such a stepped halo level in the images, they would be more evenly distributed. I would think the different halo levels would be indicative of self-illumination.
................................................... This is quite a discovery. A square shaped planet!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 712683
the "extended shape" would probably be caused by the two cores that it seems to have.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 713628 New Zealand 7/4/2009 12:33 AM
NASA couild be stuck between a rock and a hard place on this one. On the one hand, if they don't tell us about something so important, how long do you think we as the taxpayers will support them?
On the other, if they do own up and tell us it indeed is an object heading towards the sun it might cause a massive panic.
Interesting to say the least, and if they cut the pics, we will know that it is something they don't want us to know about, but a little late for that now.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 716196
On the other other hand, there may be nothing of importance to say... like in the case that this object is Mercury going round the far side of the Sun and just happens to be in the field of view of Stereo-B right now.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 717633 Brazil 7/4/2009 12:42 AM
Out of curiosity, I decided to do some work with the CME impact section of images, as there has been some debate about whether or not this object was close enough to cause the CME to wake outward.
First, I made an animated gif of the sequence, but it's too big to make a custom smiley. You can DL it here:
I brightened the image, boosted the contrast, and added noise and sharpening filters to bring out detail.
Now, I believe the object did not cause a wake in the CME. In the following diagram, you can see the definitive appearance (from our POV) of five bulbous sections of the CME. Those same 5 basic areas seem intact on the other side of the object.
:cmeanalysi:
So I believe we can rule out the wake theory.
Quoting: Moncrieffe
thanks Moncrieffe, these close up images really seem to indicate a "binary system" (of...) rotating around each other.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 717633 Brazil 7/4/2009 12:50 AM
NASA couild be stuck between a rock and a hard place on this one. On the one hand, if they don't tell us about something so important, how long do you think we as the taxpayers will support them?
On the other, if they do own up and tell us it indeed is an object heading towards the sun it might cause a massive panic.
Interesting to say the least, and if they cut the pics, we will know that it is something they don't want us to know about, but a little late for that now.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 716196
Yes, they have this dilemma, but if it's a comet it'll will probably cause no big harm even if it hits the Sun.
Probably a big flare, nothing more.
But, yes, they should be more forthcoming.
This "object" is everywhere, Moncrieffe even e-mailed them about it. It is on Youtube now.
I don't believe they don't have more information.
And if they have why they don't release it??
Anonymous Coward User ID: 716196 United States 7/4/2009 1:05 AM
NASA couild be stuck between a rock and a hard place on this one. On the one hand, if they don't tell us about something so important, how long do you think we as the taxpayers will support them?
On the other, if they do own up and tell us it indeed is an object heading towards the sun it might cause a massive panic.
Interesting to say the least, and if they cut the pics, we will know that it is something they don't want us to know about, but a little late for that now.
On the other other hand, there may be nothing of importance to say... like in the case that this object is Mercury going round the far side of the Sun and just happens to be in the field of view of Stereo-B right now.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 713628
But now that the rumor or speculation is growing so big, you would think they would come on out and let us know. That is their job after all, to help mankind figure out what's going on in space...no?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 697637 United States 7/4/2009 1:06 AM
NASA couild be stuck between a rock and a hard place on this one. On the one hand, if they don't tell us about something so important, how long do you think we as the taxpayers will support them?
On the other, if they do own up and tell us it indeed is an object heading towards the sun it might cause a massive panic.
Interesting to say the least, and if they cut the pics, we will know that it is something they don't want us to know about, but a little late for that now.
Yes, they have this dilemma, but if it's a comet it'll will probably cause no big harm even if it hits the Sun.
Probably a big flare, nothing more.
But, yes, they should be more forthcoming.
This "object" is everywhere, Moncrieffe even e-mailed them about it. It is on Youtube now.
I don't believe they don't have more information.
And if they have why they don't release it??
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717633
However, if the object is Mercury, they have no dilemma, and no need to say anything. And they are not saying anything, right?
Something similar will happen in the days following July 26 when Stereo-A will observe an object approaching the Sun from the right, but on that occasion it will "miss" and go above the Sun, Mercury being well above the ecliptic then.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 717633 Brazil 7/4/2009 1:12 AM
Just to point out another similarity with comet C/2009 G1.
At 0:41 of the following movie
you can see the corresponding images of COR1 (they only last for 2 seconds!) and compared with the images of the object of this thread.
Again, they look quite similar in size and shape (more perfectly circular now), except for the fact that comet C/2009-G1 passed above the Sun in those pictures, while in the present case the object seems to be headed directly into the circle that represents the Sun.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 713628 New Zealand 7/4/2009 1:13 AM
However, if the object is Mercury, they have no dilemma, and no need to say anything. And they are not saying anything, right?
Something similar will happen in the days following July 26 when Stereo-A will observe an object approaching the Sun from the right, but on that occasion it will "miss" and go above the Sun, Mercury being well above the ecliptic then.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 713628
I think Mercury will show up on July 6th, in the left to right direction.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 713628 New Zealand 7/4/2009 1:28 AM
Next image (05:05:18 UT) will be up within 15 mins.
Thanks =)
But I'm also waiting for the feed that was the main one before. It is just more clear.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 697637
The COR2 series (the red images) seems to be busted. The object is in the COR1 series (green images in UV wavelengths - better resolution) )but only at hourly intervals. That's all there is. Shall we go with what we have?
NASA have already said they are having troubles with the site, an what we are looking at is a temporary fix for the problem. There was a post about this on an earlier page - probably from NASA's status page.
Here you go:
"Status
Both STEREO spacecraft are currently performing as expected and taking science data on a regular basis.
The STEREO Science Center website went offline on June 22, 2009. Currently, we're running a minimal website with some, but not all, of the functionality of the original website. Please excuse us while we try to address the problem."
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
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