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Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 713628
7/4/2009 1:34 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 713628
The new image at 05:05:18 UT is there now. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 659821
7/4/2009 1:41 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
So what's impact time? If it hits?
And how many are there? If it's 2 then what does that mean?
Maybe they're just moons and we can't see anything 'bigger' yet until it gets closer?  |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717796
7/4/2009 1:44 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
NASA couild be stuck between a rock and a hard place on this one. On the one hand, if they don't tell us about something so important, how long do you think we as the taxpayers will support them?
On the other, if they do own up and tell us it indeed is an object heading towards the sun it might cause a massive panic.
Interesting to say the least, and if they cut the pics, we will know that it is something they don't want us to know about, but a little late for that now.
Yes, they have this dilemma, but if it's a comet it'll will probably cause no big harm even if it hits the Sun.
Probably a big flare, nothing more.
But, yes, they should be more forthcoming.
This "object" is everywhere, Moncrieffe even e-mailed them about it. It is on Youtube now.
I don't believe they don't have more information.
And if they have why they don't release it??
However, if the object is Mercury, they have no dilemma, and no need to say anything. And they are not saying anything, right?
Something similar will happen in the days following July 26 when Stereo-A will observe an object approaching the Sun from the right, but on that occasion it will "miss" and go above the Sun, Mercury being well above the ecliptic then. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 713628
As many have posted, this cannot possibly be Mercury since there is no way for Mercury to travel this fast!
Also Mercury is moving from right to left right now and not left to right like this object! |
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Traveler 666
User ID: 689550
7/4/2009 1:48 AM | |
Traveler 666
User ID: 689550
7/4/2009 1:48 AM | |
Traveler 666
User ID: 689550
7/4/2009 1:49 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
Nice pictures |
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Traveler 666
User ID: 689550
7/4/2009 1:54 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
This is enjoyable, just select picture type, and click on search to view wonderful latest pictures of the sun.
[link to sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717633
7/4/2009 1:58 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
the sun will flare before the object will hit
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Yes.The Sun will flare at it as it approaches with little or no effect.I've been observing this object for several years now.It comes and goes periodically.12/31/07 was a fine example of this.But this object is not round,it is in the shape of a Deltoid(like an enlongated triangle or torpedo shape).Oddly,sometimes it seems to stop and at other times seem to change course suddenly.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 716243
This is one of the most intriguing posts of this thread IMO.
What's the truth behind it? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717633
7/4/2009 1:59 AM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 713628
7/4/2009 2:07 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
the sun will flare before the object will hit
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Yes.The Sun will flare at it as it approaches with little or no effect.I've been observing this object for several years now.It comes and goes periodically.12/31/07 was a fine example of this.But this object is not round,it is in the shape of a Deltoid(like an enlongated triangle or torpedo shape).Oddly,sometimes it seems to stop and at other times seem to change course suddenly.
This is one of the most intriguing posts of this thread IMO.
What's the truth behind it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717633
That was Mercury, and this object is as well.
I don't know why I keep posting... it's line a train crash; can't bare to look, can't bare to look away. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 713628
7/4/2009 2:07 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
... like ... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 659821
7/4/2009 2:08 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
the sun will flare before the object will hit
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Yes.The Sun will flare at it as it approaches with little or no effect.I've been observing this object for several years now.It comes and goes periodically.12/31/07 was a fine example of this.But this object is not round,it is in the shape of a Deltoid(like an enlongated triangle or torpedo shape).Oddly,sometimes it seems to stop and at other times seem to change course suddenly.
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This is one of the most intriguing posts of this thread IMO.
What's the truth behind it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717633
Well...that would mean Candace just might be right and there are beings 'playing' with the sun.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 659821
7/4/2009 2:09 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
the sun will flare before the object will hit
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Yes.The Sun will flare at it as it approaches with little or no effect.I've been observing this object for several years now.It comes and goes periodically.12/31/07 was a fine example of this.But this object is not round,it is in the shape of a Deltoid(like an enlongated triangle or torpedo shape).Oddly,sometimes it seems to stop and at other times seem to change course suddenly.
This is one of the most intriguing posts of this thread IMO.
What's the truth behind it?
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That was Mercury, and this object is as well.
I don't know why I keep posting... it's line a train crash; can't bare to look, can't bare to look away. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 713628
Being totally serious- I'm very confused here. If it's Mercury, why did it appear to be 2 distinct objects? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 659821
7/4/2009 2:14 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
Wasn't there a new thread the other day on the magnetosphere acting really buggy (not the big epic thread)? Like something was coming at it but it wasn't solar activity and nobody knew what it was? Looked like it was curling in on itself?
Um....just putting some things together...possibly. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 659821
7/4/2009 2:15 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
Wasn't there a new thread the other day on the magnetosphere acting really buggy (not the big epic thread)? Like something was coming at it but it wasn't solar activity and nobody knew what it was? Looked like it was curling in on itself?
Um....just putting some things together...possibly. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 659821
Found one (I think there were others, too).
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 713628
7/4/2009 2:16 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
the sun will flare before the object will hit
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Yes.The Sun will flare at it as it approaches with little or no effect.I've been observing this object for several years now.It comes and goes periodically.12/31/07 was a fine example of this.But this object is not round,it is in the shape of a Deltoid(like an enlongated triangle or torpedo shape).Oddly,sometimes it seems to stop and at other times seem to change course suddenly.
This is one of the most intriguing posts of this thread IMO.
What's the truth behind it?
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That was Mercury, and this object is as well.
I don't know why I keep posting... it's line a train crash; can't bare to look, can't bare to look away.
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Being totally serious- I'm very confused here. If it's Mercury, why did it appear to be 2 distinct objects? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 659821
These are fairly low resolution images. Sometimes it looks elongated, and all sorts of other shapes. Two distinct points must be one of the large range of renditions. I don't think it is important. Image to image it's just a blob. No great importance should be attached to the last (or any one) image.
It is Mercury. In a day or two it will be on it's merry way away from the Sun on the other side. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717796
7/4/2009 2:38 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
the sun will flare before the object will hit
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Yes.The Sun will flare at it as it approaches with little or no effect.I've been observing this object for several years now.It comes and goes periodically.12/31/07 was a fine example of this.But this object is not round,it is in the shape of a Deltoid(like an enlongated triangle or torpedo shape).Oddly,sometimes it seems to stop and at other times seem to change course suddenly.
This is one of the most intriguing posts of this thread IMO.
What's the truth behind it?
That was Mercury, and this object is as well.
I don't know why I keep posting... it's line a train crash; can't bare to look, can't bare to look away. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 713628
As many have posted, this cannot possibly be Mercury since there is no way for Mercury to travel this fast!
Also Mercury is moving from left to right now and not right to left like this object!
The following list was compiled with the help of the JPL HORIZONS web page.
All dates and magnitudes are approximate.
Jan 14 - Feb04
Jupiter
-1.9mag
Left to Right
Jan 17 - Jan24
Mercury
3.7mag
Left to Right
Feb 04 - Feb21
Neptune
8.0mag
Left to Right
Mar 05 - Mar22
Uranus
6.0mag
Left to Right
Mar 23 - Apr08
Mercury
-2.1mag
Right to Left
Mar 27 - Mar29
Venus
-0.7mag
Left to Right*
May 13 - May24
Mercury
4.4mag
Left to Right
Jul 06 - Jul21
Mercury
-2.2mag
Right to Left
Sep 08 - Sep27
Saturn
1.2mag
Left to Right
Sep 17 - Sep24
Mercury
4.0mag
Left to Right
Oct 24 - Nov20
Mercury
-1.4mag
Right to Left
Dec 09 - Feb15
Venus
-3.9mag
Right to Left |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717796
7/4/2009 2:39 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
As many have posted, this cannot possibly be Mercury since there is no way for Mercury to travel this fast!
Also Mercury is moving from left to right now and not right to left like this object!
The following list was compiled with the help of the JPL HORIZONS web page.
All dates and magnitudes are approximate.
Jan 14 - Feb04
Jupiter
-1.9mag
Left to Right
Jan 17 - Jan24
Mercury
3.7mag
Left to Right
Feb 04 - Feb21
Neptune
8.0mag
Left to Right
Mar 05 - Mar22
Uranus
6.0mag
Left to Right
Mar 23 - Apr08
Mercury
-2.1mag
Right to Left
Mar 27 - Mar29
Venus
-0.7mag
Left to Right*
May 13 - May24
Mercury
4.4mag
Left to Right
Jul 06 - Jul21
Mercury
-2.2mag
Right to Left
Sep 08 - Sep27
Saturn
1.2mag
Left to Right
Sep 17 - Sep24
Mercury
4.0mag
Left to Right
Oct 24 - Nov20
Mercury
-1.4mag
Right to Left
Dec 09 - Feb15
Venus
-3.9mag
Right to Left |
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Spirit * Man !
User ID: 661889
7/4/2009 2:42 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Kiss the dawn.
Quote
Kiss the dawn young followers of love.
A slice of Heaven comes from up above.
Souls beaten and tired ...keep the fire.
A connection born of love so torn.
But here in the depths of "hell"
Is the answer that rings like a bell.
we live or die in the moment of truth.
Where we be lovely ones ?....
But a time of ..... a word....a sign.
Bang.
*
---V--- |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717633
7/4/2009 2:53 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
the sun will flare before the object will hit
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Yes.The Sun will flare at it as it approaches with little or no effect.I've been observing this object for several years now.It comes and goes periodically.12/31/07 was a fine example of this.But this object is not round,it is in the shape of a Deltoid(like an enlongated triangle or torpedo shape).Oddly,sometimes it seems to stop and at other times seem to change course suddenly.
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That was Mercury, and this object is as well.
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Being totally serious- I'm very confused here. If it's Mercury, why did it appear to be 2 distinct objects? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 659821
I can't prove it's not Mercury either. But all evidence seems to point to a different object, not a planet (therefore not Mercury).
If it's Mercury it's fine for me, but I truly think it's not.
The OP gave some reasons why it should not be Mercury. Unfortunately I cannot go any deeper than his words because
I don't have any great knowledge on the details of Astronomy and the satellites of NASA, but the points the OP has made in the first 5 pages of this thread have not been challenged IMO.
And the pictures I see from the various satellites seem to confirm his conclusions.
Then, although I cannot prove it's not Mercury the entire logic of this discussion seems (to me) to indicate that it's not.
But of course, in a few days all doubts will be dissipated, and if I'm wrong I'll be glad to come back and concede my mistake.
The latest pictures seem to indicate the "object" has a double core, a binary system, and everyone knows that Mercury and Venus have no moons. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 713628
7/4/2009 2:58 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
That table is the same as this posted on page 9 of this thread.
Transits of Objects through the LASCO/C3 FOV in 2009
The following list was compiled with the help of the JPL HORIZONS web page.
All dates and magnitudes are approximate.
Jan 14 - Feb04 Jupiter -1.9mag Left to Right
Jan 17 - Jan24 Mercury 3.7mag Left to Right
Feb 04 - Feb21 Neptune 8.0mag Left to Right
Mar 05 - Mar22 Uranus 6.0mag Left to Right
Mar 23 - Apr08 Mercury -2.1mag Right to Left
Mar 27 - Mar29 Venus -0.7mag Left to Right*
May 13 - May24 Mercury 4.4mag Left to Right
Jul 06 - Jul21 Mercury -2.2mag Right to Left
Sep 08 - Sep27 Saturn 1.2mag Left to Right
Sep 17 - Sep24 Mercury 4.0mag Left to Right
Oct 24 - Nov20 Mercury -1.4mag Right to Left
Dec 09 - Feb15 Venus -3.9mag Right to Left
* Venus is fractionally outside (above) the LASCO C3 field of view during this pass.
The LASCO/C3 instrument is on the SOHO satellite positioned at L1 between Earth and the Sun.
The images we are looking at here are from Stereo B, further to the "left", back along Earth's orbit.
As Mercury leaves Stereo B's field of view in a few days time, it will enter the LASCO/C3 FOV (see bolded above), moving in the same direction - right to left. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717633
7/4/2009 3:01 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
As many have posted, this cannot possibly be Mercury since there is no way for Mercury to travel this fast!
Also Mercury is moving from left to right now and not right to left like this object!
The following list was compiled with the help of the JPL HORIZONS web page.
All dates and magnitudes are approximate.
Mercury
4.4mag
Left to Right
Jul 06 - Jul21
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717796
therefore, the "object" will cross with Mercury in opposite directions in about two days.
BTW, happy 4th of July everyone!!:-)
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zacksavage
User ID: 717683
7/4/2009 3:21 AM
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therefore, the "object" will cross with Mercury in opposite directions in about two days.
BTW, happy 4th of July everyone!!:-)
Z
Free your mind,...Your Ass will follow. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 713628
7/4/2009 3:24 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
Yes, Happy 4th of July! Thanks.
That table you quoted from...
here is a bigger bit:
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Mar 27 - Mar29
Venus
-0.7mag
Left to Right*
May 13 - May24
Mercury
4.4mag
Left to Right
Jul 06 - Jul21
Mercury
-2.2mag
Right to Left
Sep 08 - Sep27
Saturn
1.2mag
Left to Right
...
The dates are miss-matched with the other data.
Should be:
...
Mar 27 - Mar29
Venus
-0.7mag
Left to Right*
May 13 - May24
Mercury
4.4mag
Left to Right
Jul 06 - Jul21
Mercury
-2.2mag
Right to Left
Sep 08 - Sep27
Saturn
1.2mag
Left to Right
...
The other clue is the magnitudes.
[link to www.heavens-above.com]
When Mercury is moving left to right, is is on this side of the Sun and we can see the unilluminated site - only a thin crescent, so very dim - Mag 4.4.
When is is moving right to left it is on the other side and fully illuminated - Mag -2.2. |
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Ostria
User ID: 717835
7/4/2009 4:06 AM
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717633
7/4/2009 4:08 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
Yes, Happy 4th of July! Thanks.
That table you quoted from...
here is a bigger bit:
...
Mar 27 - Mar29
Venus
-0.7mag
Left to Right*
May 13 - May24
Mercury
4.4mag
Left to Right
Jul 06 - Jul21
Mercury
-2.2mag
Right to Left
Sep 08 - Sep27
Saturn
1.2mag
Left to Right
...
The dates are miss-matched with the other data.
Should be:
...
Mar 27 - Mar29
Venus
-0.7mag
Left to Right*
May 13 - May24
Mercury
4.4mag
Left to Right
Jul 06 - Jul21
Mercury
-2.2mag
Right to Left
Sep 08 - Sep27
Saturn
1.2mag
Left to Right
...
The other clue is the magnitudes.
[ link to www.heavens-above.com]
When Mercury is moving left to right, is is on this side of the Sun and we can see the unilluminated site - only a thin crescent, so very dim - Mag 4.4.
When is is moving right to left it is on the other side and fully illuminated - Mag -2.2.
I agree, I've just checked the page of SOHO, for transits through LASCO and they show what you've posted.
Therefore it's not left to right but the opposite and it seems that the OP made a mistake here.
Therefore it should be Mercury.
But I have a final doubt.
I've checked the images of Mercury on STEREO Behind COR2 for March/19 and 20 and observed that the speed of Mercury on those pictures is half of the speed of the object that we're analyzing on this thread.
In addition, in those pictures Mercury is transiting from left to right and therefore is closer to the satellite and Earth than it is now, then I'd expect it's angular movement to be faster then than now, but it's twice slower.
Also the form of the planet in the March-19-20 pictures is quite stable and well defined, egg shaped, while in the present thread pictures it changes drastically almost from one picture to the next.
All these aspects seem to be contradictory, don't you think? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 713628
7/4/2009 4:09 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
You can see it in COR2... the panel above "NO DATA" of STEREO Behind. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717683
7/4/2009 4:11 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
The data is a national secruity risk.
Suck it up and like it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 713628
7/4/2009 4:15 AM | | Re: Unknown object quickly approaching the Sun | Quote |
(snip)
But I have a final doubt.
I've checked the images of Mercury on STEREO Behind COR2 for March/19 and 20 and observed that the speed of Mercury on those pictures is half of the speed of the object that we're analyzing on this thread.
In addition, in those pictures Mercury is transiting from left to right and therefore is closer to the satellite and Earth than it is now, then I'd expect it's angular movement to be faster then than now, but it's twice slower.
Also the form of the planet in the March-19-20 pictures is quite stable and well defined, egg shaped, while in the present thread pictures it changes drastically almost from one picture to the next.
All these aspects seem to be contradictory, don't you think? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717633
Mercury's orbit is quite elliptical, so the orbital speed changes a lot. As much as factor of two from slowest to fastest? Maybe it is that much. Who could know? Mr Kepler no doubt. |
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Ostria
User ID: 717835
7/4/2009 4:18 AM
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 713628
oh yes... so it is still there. Yesterday we lost it for some images |
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