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Under Cap and Trade you must "retrofit" your home or you can't sell (goodbye real estate market)
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The Chef
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7/1/2009 2:31 PM
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The 1,400-page cap-and-trade legislation pushed through by House Democrats contains a new federal policy that residential, commercial, and government buildings be retrofitted to increase energy efficiency, leaving it up to the states to figure out exactly how to do that.
This means that homeowners, for example, could be required to retrofit their homes to meet federal “green” guidelines in order to sell their homes, if the cap-and-trade bill becomes law.
The bill, which now goes to the Senate, directs the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to develop and implement a national policy for residential and commercial buildings. The purpose of such a strategy – known as the Retrofit for Energy and Environmental Performance (REEP) – would be to “facilitate” the retrofitting of existing buildings nationwide.
“The Administrator shall develop and implement, in consultation with the Secretary of Energy, standards for a national energy and environmental building retrofit policy for single-family and multi-family residences,” the bill reads.
It continues: “The purpose of the REEP program is to facilitate the retrofitting of existing buildings across the United States.”
The bill leaves the definition of a retrofit and the details of the REEP program up to the EPA. However, states are responsible for ensuring that the government’s plans are carried out, whatever the final details may entail.
“States shall maintain responsibility for meeting the standards and requirements of the REEP program,” the bill says.
States may contract with private agencies to oversee the retrofitting and measuring of improved efficiency and environmental friendliness of houses and other buildings, making sure that private citizens have a variety of choices for retrofitting their homes.
“States and local government entities may administer a REEP program in a manner that authorizes public or regulated investor-owned utilities, building auditors and inspectors, contractors, nonprofit organizations, for-profit companies, and other entities to perform audits and retrofit services,” reads the bill.
It further says, “A State or local administrator of a REEP program shall seek to ensure that sufficient qualified entities are available to support retrofit activities so that building owners have a competitive choice among qualified auditors, raters, contractors, and providers of services related to retrofits.”
In fact, individual homeowners are even allowed to retrofit buildings themselves. The bill gives specific protection to individual owners’ rights to choose who inspects and retrofits their property.
“Nothing in this section is intended to deny the right of a building owner to choose the specific providers of retrofit services to engage for a retrofit project in that owner’s building.”
Even though Congress says the states are responsible for carrying out the retrofits, the EPA and the Department of Energy will establish the guidelines and rules for doing so.
“The Administrator, in consultation with the Secretary of Energy, shall establish goals, guidelines, practices, and standards for accomplishing the purpose stated in subsection (c) [the retrofits],” the bill says.
The program would involve a system of certified auditors, inspectors, and raters who inspect homes and businesses using devices such as infrared cameras (which measure how much heat a building is giving off) to measure their energy efficiency.
The results of these energy audits would then be used to determine what retrofits need to be performed. The audits would examine things like water usage, infrared photography, and pressurized testing to determine the efficiency of door and window seals, and indoor air quality.
Those retrofits would be performed by licensed retrofit contractors using government-approved methods and resources including roofing materials that reflect solar energy.
“uilding retrofits conducted pursuant to a REEP program utilize, especially in all air-conditioned buildings, roofing materials with high solar energy reflectance,” the legislation states.
After the retrofitting is complete, the government – state, local, or federal – will come back and re-inspect the house to determine how much energy has been saved and whether the retrofit is up to federal government standards.
“Determination of energy savings in a performance-based building retrofit program through — (A) for residential buildings, comparison of before and after retrofit scores,” the proposal states.
To help pay for the cost of these retrofits, states and localities may provide loans, utility rate rebates, tax rebates, or implement retrofit programs on their own. In fact, the government will even pay up to 50 percent of the cost of a retrofit through financial awards to individual home and building owners.
[link to www.cnsnews.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 715509
7/1/2009 2:54 PM | | Re: Under Cap and Trade you must "retrofit" your home or you can't sell (goodbye real estate market) | Quote |
Will the repocesssing banks and mortage companies have to retrofit those homes that have been foreclosed before they can re-sale them? If so , look for alot of foreclosed homes to suffer "accidental fires". |
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The Chef
User ID: 671624
7/1/2009 3:09 PM
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Will the repocesssing banks and mortage companies have to retrofit those homes that have been foreclosed before they can re-sale them? If so , look for alot of foreclosed homes to suffer "accidental fires". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 715509
It would seem unless the bill changes in the Senate that all homes before being sold would have to be retrofitted. It's possible that it could become so expensive to retrofit some of these homes that it may be cheaper to demolish these homes rather than resale them. |
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Spirit * Man !
User ID: 661889
7/1/2009 3:11 PM | | Re: Under Cap and Trade you must "retrofit" your home or you can't sell (goodbye real estate market) | Quote |
And why would they do that to create a global economic super depression ? LOL ...do you honestly think they are that crazy ...or are they just desperate ? Do they have some inside info on nature and natural upheaval building up in the world ? Could be. Sounds like a desperate act by a desperate government and ptb.
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The Chef
User ID: 671624
7/1/2009 3:21 PM
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It's all about tax and control. |
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Princess Bride
User ID: 715628
7/1/2009 3:34 PM
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The housing market is already in the toilet. That would flushing sound of it going completely down the drain.
Heart of the heroes, ride.
Up through an empty house of stars,
Being what heart you are,
Up the inhuman steeps of space
As on a staircase go in grace,
Carrying the firelight on your face
Beyond the loneliest star.
"The Ballad Of The White Horse,"
G. K. Chesterton
This is the generation of that great LEVIATHAN, or rather, to speak more reverently, of that mortal god to which we owe, under the immortal God, our peace and defence.
Thomas Hobbes |
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mfgl
User ID: 616779
7/1/2009 3:43 PM | | Re: Under Cap and Trade you must "retrofit" your home or you can't sell (goodbye real estate market) | Quote |
What housing market? |
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The Chef
User ID: 671624
7/1/2009 3:54 PM
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The housing market is already in the toilet. That would flushing sound of it going completely down the drain. Quoting: Princess Bride
Yeah but just think of all the government jobs being created to handle all the red tape. Seriously though what a nightmare. If your home lost 30% of it's value, then they tell you to spend 15k on your house to make it green are you really going to be able to sell it? |
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Princess Bride
User ID: 715628
7/1/2009 8:21 PM
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I understand legalize a bit, and this is really bad.
Seriously bad!
Heart of the heroes, ride.
Up through an empty house of stars,
Being what heart you are,
Up the inhuman steeps of space
As on a staircase go in grace,
Carrying the firelight on your face
Beyond the loneliest star.
"The Ballad Of The White Horse,"
G. K. Chesterton
This is the generation of that great LEVIATHAN, or rather, to speak more reverently, of that mortal god to which we owe, under the immortal God, our peace and defence.
Thomas Hobbes |
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Ricfly52 
User ID: 272605
7/1/2009 8:24 PM
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As a home repair guy, I can tell you this is opening up a huge can of worms. It could cost more to overhaul a house than what it is worth. Dumb move by the government if it clears the senate.
'Doin what I can, with what I got! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 713289
7/1/2009 8:27 PM | | Re: Under Cap and Trade you must "retrofit" your home or you can't sell (goodbye real estate market) | Quote |
I hope they grandfather in historic landmarks. I live in a 125 year old school classroom converted to a loft and just invested in new appliances, heat and hot water. Everything I bought was energy efficient. If we have to replace the windows (9 footers) it will cost about a thousand+ per window (I have four) and we will have to do battle with the historic foundation.
What a nightmare. |
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Lizard Of Id
User ID: 575952
7/1/2009 8:28 PM | | Re: Under Cap and Trade you must "retrofit" your home or you can't sell (goodbye real estate market) | Quote |
It's all about tax and control. Quoting: The Chef
The lobbyist is loose.
And damn is they vengeful.... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 703460
7/1/2009 8:31 PM | | Re: Under Cap and Trade you must "retrofit" your home or you can't sell (goodbye real estate market) | Quote |
As a home repair guy, I can tell you this is opening up a huge can of worms. It could cost more to overhaul a house than what it is worth. Dumb move by the government if it clears the senate. Quoting: Ricfly52
Is it?
That depends upon the motives entirely, now doesn't it?
Barry Soetoro, the great finisher. |
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The Chef
User ID: 671624
7/1/2009 8:35 PM
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I hope they grandfather in historic landmarks. I live in a 125 year old school classroom converted to a loft and just invested in new appliances, heat and hot water. Everything I bought was energy efficient. If we have to replace the windows (9 footers) it will cost about a thousand+ per window (I have four) and we will have to do battle with the historic foundation.
What a nightmare. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 713289
As of now there are no exemptions under the program for historic landmarks or anything else because it states all buildings and no exemptions are mentioned. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 632185
7/1/2009 8:36 PM | | Re: Under Cap and Trade you must "retrofit" your home or you can't sell (goodbye real estate market) | Quote |
Ok, So I am comparing this to way back when...when they implemented the building code etc. Currently to get some loans for homes certain things must meet certain codes right? For instance, GFI outlets in the bathroom. I remember years ago when my parents sold their house to someone who went with and FHA loan, they wanted my parents to put siding on the soffits (keep in mind the house wasn't sided) There was some other bs that I can't remember...but it had to be done.
I am sure the home owners of years ago were just as upset when the implemented certain building codes and what not. I think we are just going to have to roll with punches on this one. I know that no one likes change but we need to move into the future and people won't do it unless they are forced right? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 709703
7/1/2009 8:42 PM | | Re: Under Cap and Trade you must "retrofit" your home or you can't sell (goodbye real estate market) | Quote |
Fuck em' I'm going camping.... for the rest of my life...
There is no law that requires you to be a home owner, or to own property, |
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Enigma
User ID: 700809
7/1/2009 8:45 PM
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I just re-roofed my house with an insulated foam reflecting roof and metal...
cut my attic temps by 40 degrees...
shingles are so OLD SCHOOL...
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
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The Chef
User ID: 671624
7/1/2009 8:46 PM
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Fuck em' I'm going camping.... for the rest of my life...
There is no law that requires you to be a home owner, or to own property, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 709703
The law as written now would also apply to cabins since a cabin is a building. I think sometimes they write these crappy laws so vague on purpose just so they can do what they want later. |
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picesnator
User ID: 639746
7/1/2009 8:57 PM | | Re: Under Cap and Trade you must "retrofit" your home or you can't sell (goodbye real estate market) | Quote |
The 1,400-page cap-and-trade legislation pushed through by House Democrats contains a new federal policy that residential, commercial, and government buildings be retrofitted to increase energy efficiency, leaving it up to the states to figure out exactly how to do that.
This means that homeowners, for example, could be required to retrofit their homes to meet federal “green” guidelines in order to sell their homes, if the cap-and-trade bill becomes law.
The bill, which now goes to the Senate, directs the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to develop and implement a national policy for residential and commercial buildings. The purpose of such a strategy – known as the Retrofit for Energy and Environmental Performance (REEP) – would be to “facilitate” the retrofitting of existing buildings nationwide.
“The Administrator shall develop and implement, in consultation with the Secretary of Energy, standards for a national energy and environmental building retrofit policy for single-family and multi-family residences,” the bill reads.
It continues: “The purpose of the REEP program is to facilitate the retrofitting of existing buildings across the United States.”
The bill leaves the definition of a retrofit and the details of the REEP program up to the EPA. However, states are responsible for ensuring that the government’s plans are carried out, whatever the final details may entail.
“States shall maintain responsibility for meeting the standards and requirements of the REEP program,” the bill says.
States may contract with private agencies to oversee the retrofitting and measuring of improved efficiency and environmental friendliness of houses and other buildings, making sure that private citizens have a variety of choices for retrofitting their homes.
“States and local government entities may administer a REEP program in a manner that authorizes public or regulated investor-owned utilities, building auditors and inspectors, contractors, nonprofit organizations, for-profit companies, and other entities to perform audits and retrofit services,” reads the bill.
It further says, “A State or local administrator of a REEP program shall seek to ensure that sufficient qualified entities are available to support retrofit activities so that building owners have a competitive choice among qualified auditors, raters, contractors, and providers of services related to retrofits.”
In fact, individual homeowners are even allowed to retrofit buildings themselves. The bill gives specific protection to individual owners’ rights to choose who inspects and retrofits their property.
“Nothing in this section is intended to deny the right of a building owner to choose the specific providers of retrofit services to engage for a retrofit project in that owner’s building.”
Even though Congress says the states are responsible for carrying out the retrofits, the EPA and the Department of Energy will establish the guidelines and rules for doing so.
“The Administrator, in consultation with the Secretary of Energy, shall establish goals, guidelines, practices, and standards for accomplishing the purpose stated in subsection (c) [the retrofits],” the bill says.
The program would involve a system of certified auditors, inspectors, and raters who inspect homes and businesses using devices such as infrared cameras (which measure how much heat a building is giving off) to measure their energy efficiency.
The results of these energy audits would then be used to determine what retrofits need to be performed. The audits would examine things like water usage, infrared photography, and pressurized testing to determine the efficiency of door and window seals, and indoor air quality.
Those retrofits would be performed by licensed retrofit contractors using government-approved methods and resources including roofing materials that reflect solar energy.
“ uilding retrofits conducted pursuant to a REEP program utilize, especially in all air-conditioned buildings, roofing materials with high solar energy reflectance,” the legislation states.
After the retrofitting is complete, the government – state, local, or federal – will come back and re-inspect the house to determine how much energy has been saved and whether the retrofit is up to federal government standards.
“Determination of energy savings in a performance-based building retrofit program through — (A) for residential buildings, comparison of before and after retrofit scores,” the proposal states.
To help pay for the cost of these retrofits, states and localities may provide loans, utility rate rebates, tax rebates, or implement retrofit programs on their own. In fact, the government will even pay up to 50 percent of the cost of a retrofit through financial awards to individual home and building owners.
[link to www.cnsnews.com]
jimmy carter did the same thing.....and it fucked everyone for years......... |
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The Chef
User ID: 671624
7/1/2009 9:03 PM
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What a bunch of crap. They are already doing this to the federal building where I live. It cost a little over a million to build in the late 70's Now they are doing a green retrofit to the tune of $66 million. What a joke. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 713815
7/1/2009 9:06 PM | | Re: Under Cap and Trade you must "retrofit" your home or you can't sell (goodbye real estate market) | Quote |
The states can go tell the feds to fuck off, another unfunded mandate, so the 'law' is null and void. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 712683
7/3/2009 7:29 PM | | Re: Under Cap and Trade you must "retrofit" your home or you can't sell (goodbye real estate market) | Quote |
What a bunch of crap. They are already doing this to the federal building where I live. It cost a little over a million to build in the late 70's Now they are doing a green retrofit to the tune of $66 million. What a joke. Quoting: The Chef
On a more local scale, its like you have a $1000 ratter car but you think 66 grand's not too steep for a tune-up. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 704247
7/3/2009 7:31 PM | | Re: Under Cap and Trade you must "retrofit" your home or you can't sell (goodbye real estate market) | Quote |
The states can go tell the feds to fuck off, another unfunded mandate, so the 'law' is null and void. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 713815
Good point. I look for a lot of Federal laws to become irrelevant. The tax code eventually. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 712683
7/3/2009 7:51 PM | | Re: Under Cap and Trade you must "retrofit" your home or you can't sell (goodbye real estate market) | Quote |
It would seem unless the bill changes in the Senate that all homes before being sold would have to be retrofitted. It's possible that it could become so expensive to retrofit some of these homes that it may be cheaper to demolish these homes rather than resale them. Quoting: The Chef
That would seem to be the actual goal here.
Shoring up housing prices in general by getting some of them *off the market*. What I can't figure ou is raising the price of houses going to increase sales? Is it going to help move your white elephant to have it retrofitted and cost $25,000 more? |
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orangutang
User ID: 717621
7/3/2009 8:08 PM | | Re: Under Cap and Trade you must "retrofit" your home or you can't sell (goodbye real estate market) | Quote |
I am sure the home owners of years ago were just as upset when the implemented certain building codes and what not. I think we are just going to have to roll with punches on this one. I know that no one likes change but we need to move into the future and people won't do it unless they are forced right? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 632185
what future? our futures are all constantly being undermined, right in front of our noses. but eventually, the huge wave of truth and beauty will follow this ever deepening trough of despair. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 716860
7/3/2009 8:24 PM | | Re: Under Cap and Trade you must "retrofit" your home or you can't sell (goodbye real estate market) | Quote |
They're talking about the same stupidity in Toronto:
[link to www.thestar.com]
Don't know where that idiot piece of legislation is now though... |
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ON The RED List !
User ID: 716794
7/3/2009 8:31 PM | | Re: Under Cap and Trade you must "retrofit" your home or you can't sell (goodbye real estate market) | Quote |
ANOTHER excuse for the million man/BOY Acorn army to come into your house, see 'suspicous literature', politically incorrect materials, mags and have a reson to give you your FREE train ticket to the detention camp/crematorium !
DON'T you just LOVE your ILLEGAL, ALIEN FRAUD you elected. Liberal Demoturds ? |
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The Chef
User ID: 671624
7/3/2009 8:45 PM
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Does anybody doubt while they are in your house they will be looking around? Guns, stored food, anything that says you might be an extremist. Oh and another thing when I made this thread the other day I wasn't even aware of a provision in the Cap and Trade bill that will make it a misdemeanor if you deny them entry into your home to do energy audits. These audits will have to be done to give every home an energy rating. |
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Texas Uncensored
User ID: 717630
7/3/2009 9:04 PM
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 712683
7/3/2009 9:14 PM | | Re: Under Cap and Trade you must "retrofit" your home or you can't sell (goodbye real estate market) | Quote |
"""the *EPA* will set the rules"""
Ding Ding Ding! HELLO!!!!!???
How would you like your house to be the next Super Fund Site? |
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