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| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 711198
7/4/2009 3:48 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Did you read any of the reader's reviews on that book? Sheesh!
Anyhow, here's some more cherries for your basket:
Geologists have a saying - rocks remember. Quoting: Neil Armstrong
I guess we all like to be recognized not for one piece of fireworks, but for the ledger of our daily work. Quoting: Neil Armstrong
I was elated, ecstatic and extremely surprised that we were successful. Quoting: Neil Armstrong
In much of society, research means to investigate something you do not know or understand. Quoting: Neil Armstrong
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small. Quoting: Neil Armstrong
It's a brilliant surface in that sunlight. The horizon seems quite close to you because the curvature is so much more pronounced than here on earth. It's an interesting place to be. I recommend it. Quoting: Neil Armstrong
The important achievement of Apollo was demonstrating that humanity is not forever chained to this planet and our visions go rather further than that and our opportunities are unlimited. Quoting: Neil Armstrong
Yeah, I wasn't chosen to be first. I was just chosen to command that flight. Circumstance put me in that particular role. That wasn't planned by anyone. Quoting: Neil Armstrong
A quiet, reflective, self-effacing man. First and foremost a pilot. Thrust into a limelight he didn't want, but he still overcome his natural shyness enough to speak...and yet, in Neil's words, you will always hear credit to everyone else in the program, and a downplaying of his own accomplishments. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 486149
7/4/2009 3:55 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
The environment on the Moon is very harsh. Most likely the flag, the rovers, all of the equipment left behind; all of it has broken down into dust, nothing but dust. Over a long period of time the metal, plastic, everything, etc; it breaks down. Nothing but dust now. Doubt if anything will be found of those early Moon missions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717381
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| Chasm
User ID: 718160
7/4/2009 4:07 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
You conspiracy people are going to have to shut up and accept the idiocy of your childish claims really soon. NASA's LRO/LCROSS probe is currently in lunar orbit and calibrating its Hi-res cameras which have a resolution of less than 1 metre per pixel (39.4inches).
The Apollo landing sites are going to be imaged and will show the hardware we left up there between 1969 and 1972.
[link to www.nasa.gov]
These are the first close-up test shots. If you want you can even request a particular area to be imaged by putting in a request to NASA.
Oh yes to answer the OP.
Where is the American Moon flag?
Obviously on the MOON! The Chinese manned missions have all been in LEO (Low earth Orbit) at least 238,000 miles from the moon. At this distance, the most powerful telescope in existance would not be able to image the Apollo mission artefacts, flag included. The Chinese spacemen would have no chance to see them, and would not expect too.
Like the fundementalist religous nuts (Christian,Muslim, etc) you conspiracy freaks will obviously claim that this is all a fake as well, but there is no cure for entrenched belief based in blind faith, is there?
Scientific evidence is never going to dent the armour plate of ignorance.
Last Edited by Chasm on 7/4/2009 at 9:39 PM
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - George Orwell |
| OneAngryMom
User ID: 697082
7/4/2009 4:10 PM
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ditto |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 697806 (OP)
7/4/2009 5:33 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
2008 scientists get the first solid measurements of radiation at Mars. Zeitlin is the principal investigator for MARIE, a radiation detection instrument aboard NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter.
Zeitlin's team combined Odyssey data with Earth-orbiting satellite measurements of cosmic rays to project the radiation risk to an astronaut in free space and on the surface of Mars. The combined solar and cosmic ray particle exposure is measured in sieverts.
An astronaut in a six-month journey to Mars -- the time required with conventional propulsion -- would be exposed to about 0.3 sieverts, or 0.6 on a round-trip. Eighteen months on the surface (if it takes so long to get there, you might as well stay awhile!) would bring another 0.4 sieverts, for a total exposure of 1 sievert.
Limits set by NASA vary with age and gender but range from 1 to 3 sieverts.
When the Odyssey result was announced, several news reports misrepresented the risk, stating that it might prevent human missions to Mars. Zeitlin allows that it is close to the limits, but he says now, as he did then, that it is a "manageable dose." Further, the limits tend to drop as more is learned about the effects on humans. And, of course, the dose could be lowered with creative shielding technology.
(Interestingly, the best way to protect spacefarers aboard a Mars transport ship might be to surround them with the water they'd need for their journey. The hydrogen in water, scientists have learned, is one of the best absorbers of particle radiation.)
There is more to learn about the risk, however.
For one thing, Zeitlin's estimate, based on the Odyssey data, comes with 20 to 30 percent uncertainty. (In a form of cosmic irony, a solar storm last October disabled the MARIE instrument while leaving Odyssey otherwise in good order. The orbiter is currently serving as a relay for pictures and data coming from the Mars Spirit rover. Only after the rover mission is complete will engineers try to revive the radiation experiment.)
Perhaps more important, long-term space travel might make people more susceptible to radiation harm. It also appears some people are more susceptible than others. More research is needed to understand both these issues, however.
Also, the Odyssey data was collected just after the peak in a known 11-year cycle of solar activity. The levels would be greater during the peak and less at the trough. It might seem, then, that the first human trip to Mars should take place at solar minimum, a 2-3 year stretch every 11 years when sunspots and flares are almost nonexistent.
But there's a catch: "Galactic particle intensity picks up during solar minimum," Zeitlin said. They are higher-energy and more difficult to shield in a space habitat and "impossible to shield completely" on a spaceship.
Nuclear reactors use concrete to contain similar particles.
"You can't lift concrete blocks into space," Zeitlin points out, at least not at the going rate of about $10,000 per pound for launch costs.
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Unfriendly Moon
Bush's first planned stop in the cosmos is the Moon. Its danger is, interestingly, not as well charted as that of Mars.
The Apollo astronauts made some measurements of radiation on the Moon, but the results don't provide as complete a picture as what scientists now have of the red planet. But Zeitlin said the Moon would be more dangerous since it has no atmosphere -- probably about half as dangerous as free space (again, someone on the Moon would be protected by the Moon itself on one side).
"The Moon would be worse than Mars and worse than the space station," he said.
Short stays, perhaps one to two months, will be the norm early on. "That's a small enough dose of the galactic stuff that you're actually going to be more concerned about the solar particles, especially if you're near solar max," the intensely active part of the 11-year solar cycle.
Lunar visitors won't have the option of just sitting inside some protective shell. The president's vision makes exploration NASA's primary goal. So astronauts will presumably be called on to inspect the lunar countryside. That would present the risk of someone getting caught on a long rover excursion as a solar storm hits.
Warning times for Sun storms can be as little as 18 hours. Far less time is available to make firm predictions of the expected effect of a flare-up.
Zeitlin says a more extensive warning system will need to be established. This is especially true for Mars, which when it's on the far side of the Sun can be hit by solar tempests that don't even register with terrestrial scientists.
And there's more to do.
"We have to get smart about how we design the space suits and do everything we can to limit exposure to solar particles," Zeitlin said.
"You can't stop everything with a space suit, but there are better and worse ways to design it."
The Apollo-era suits were not well equipped.
"They would not have done much," Zeitlin said. "We will try to improve on that."
[link to www.space.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 697806 (OP)
7/4/2009 5:39 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
He's telling you the moon landings where not a practical proposition. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 711198
7/4/2009 5:45 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
That's a rather far-fetched interpretation of the article. |
| raxx
User ID: 658249
7/4/2009 5:49 PM
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1 metre per pixel (39.4inches).
is not going to show a flag.. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 718231
7/4/2009 6:00 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Isnt it astounding that the ORIGINAL MASTER and CLEAREST videotape of mankinds most distant and complex travel mission that documents mans setting foot on the moon years ago, has mysteriously dissapeared and all thats left is the grainy , unclear version ?
Gee, one would think that misplacing such evidence , would only serve some other agendas. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 711198
7/4/2009 6:18 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
You should add....of the VIDEO portion of the EVA of the FIRST manned mission.
Unlike the photographs, DAC, 16mm, and color camera in the CM of the first mission....and the NOT lost telemetry tapes of the later missions.
Compared with the surviving evidence, it's sorta like "What a pity the very first picture taken of Charles Lindberg as he stepped out of the Spirit of St. Louis was lost. Well, the negative anyway. We still have the plates the newspaper used. But anyhow...it's so suspicious the negative is missing, the flight might have been fake and the evidence was on that ONE PICTURE!" |
| Chasm
User ID: 718297
7/4/2009 8:01 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
1 metre per pixel (39.4inches).
is not going to show a flag.. Quoting: raxx
Can you read?
"a resolution of less than 1 metre per pixel (39.4inches)."
Actual max. resolution will be down to 24inches per pixel in favourable conditions (angles and lighting).
The LEM (Lunar Excursion Module) that made the landing was in two parts, an ascent stage and the descent stage. On take-off at the end of the mission, the ascent stage returned the two man crew back to lunar orbit to rendezvous with the orbiting CSM (Command and service module)and the remaining crewman on board.
The descent stage was left behind on the surface and IS still there. It measures 4.21metres in diameter and will be clearly visible on the images.
The flag left on the surface was 3ft by 5ft in dimensions, so my uninformed friend, that too will be clearly visible..
[link to www.jsc.nasa.gov]
Sorry to challenge your delusions!
Last Edited by Chasm on 7/4/2009 at 8:05 PM
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - George Orwell |
| Skeptic the First
User ID: 718302
7/4/2009 8:05 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
A quiet, reflective, self-effacing man. First and foremost a pilot. Thrust into a limelight he didn't want, but he still overcome his natural shyness enough to speak...and yet, in Neil's words, you will always hear credit to everyone else in the program, and a downplaying of his own accomplishments. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 711198
Exactly what one would expect of an otherwise honest person, forced to participate in a lie, and afterwards trying desperately to avoid the subject and especially to avoid talking about his own role in the farce. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 439828
7/4/2009 8:08 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
You conspiracy people are going to have to shut up and accept the idiocy of your childish claims really soon. NASA's LRO/LCROSS probe is currently in lunar orbit and calibrating its Hi-res cameras which have a resolution of less than 1 metre per pixel (39.4inches).
The Apollo landing sites are going to be imaged and will show the hardware we left up there between 1969 and 1972.
[ link to www.nasa.gov]
Oh boy I can't wait, NASA the ones that faked the 1960s-1970s Apollo moon landings, are going to show us the most recent evidence of the landings on the moon.
Boy oh boy, the situation defies logic. |
| Skeptic the First
User ID: 718302
7/4/2009 8:13 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
You conspiracy people are going to have to shut up and accept the idiocy of your childish claims really soon. Quoting: Chasm
Chuckle. You're really so sure that NASA won't announce an "equipment malfunction," or "a carpet of dust obscuring the artifacts," or "destruction of the artifacts by micrometeorites"?
More importantly, though, you haven't studied either scientific or historical methods, have you?
Scientific method requires independent reproducibility, historical method requires independent confirmation. NASA is still the same military-industrial-intelligence complex as always, so anything out of its bureaucratic mouth does not qualify as independent confirmation. |
| Rraider
User ID: 718307
7/4/2009 8:17 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
The environment on the Moon is very harsh. Most likely the flag, the rovers, all of the equipment left behind; all of it has broken down into dust, nothing but dust. Over a long period of time the metal, plastic, everything, etc; it breaks down. Nothing but dust now. Doubt if anything will be found of those early Moon missions.
How would it 'break down'? there's no moisture, no wind, no atmosphere. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717473
'Cause it was made in China? |
| Chasm
User ID: 718297
7/4/2009 8:21 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Oh boy I can't wait, NASA the ones that faked the 1960s-1970s Apollo moon landings, are going to show us the most recent evidence of the landings on the moon.
Boy oh boy, the situation defies logic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 439828
 What exactly would constitute proof to someone who has already made their minds up and will not listen to reason?
What outlandish X-files scenario do you believe in?
400,000 people were involved in Project Apollo, and the missions were closely monitored by people all around the world, including the USSR. Anyone of these would have blown the whistle on such an enormous hoax, especially the Russians, who tried unsuccessfully to get there too.
It is pitiful that the hoax theory has gained such prominence, mostly from characters who readily accept garbage as truth because they have seen it on You-Tube.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - George Orwell |
| 7x7 pixel blob
User ID: 716321
7/4/2009 8:21 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
1 metre per pixel (39.4inches).
is not going to show a flag..
Can you read?
"a resolution of less than 1 metre per pixel (39.4inches)."
Actual max. resolution will be down to 24inches per pixel in favourable conditions (angles and lighting).
The LEM (Lunar Excursion Module) that made the landing was in two parts, an ascent stage and the descent stage. On take-off at the end of the mission, the ascent stage returned the two man crew back to lunar orbit to rendezvous with the orbiting CSM (Command and service module)and the remaining crewman on board.
The descent stage was left behind on the surface and IS still there. It measures 4.21metres in diameter and will be clearly visible on the images. Quoting: Chasm
Let's see, 24 inches per pixel is 610 mm per pixel. The descent stage is 4210 mm diameter. That makes it 4210/610 = 6.9 pixels across. So you're going to say, look at that 7 pixel diameter blob, that's the lunar module!! Honest!
Maybe it's time for you to consider that a 7x7 pixel blob isn't going to stop all the arguing. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 439828
7/4/2009 8:24 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
You conspiracy people are going to have to shut up and accept the idiocy of your childish claims really soon.
Chuckle. You're really so sure that NASA won't announce an "equipment malfunction," or "a carpet of dust obscuring the artifacts," or "destruction of the artifacts by micrometeorites"?
More importantly, though, you haven't studied either scientific or historical methods, have you?
Scientific method requires independent reproducibility, historical method requires independent confirmation. NASA is still the same military-industrial-intelligence complex as always, so anything out of its bureaucratic mouth does not qualify as independent confirmation. Quoting: Skeptic the First 718302
Actually it may be interesting to see what NASA actually do come out with. If they do show supposed photos of the LMs, rovers, ect, it may add new fire to the truth of the hoax. Because if anything is slightly out on the angles of placement from the way that the older supposed photos taken by the astronauts on the moon shows, NASA will get yet another major thrashing and hiding.
However this is the way I see it possibly going down, photos would have been taken for the truth of historic record keeping for the hoax, by the stagehands at the Nevada test training site's fake moon bays. These photos would have been taken from high up in the ceiling of the fake moon bays looking down on the fake moon landscape. All NASA would simply do is use these photos to fake the supposed proper placement of the LMs, rovers, ect. Easily done really, especially now with sophisticated modern computers that can created good quality fake photography. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 677992
7/4/2009 8:28 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
awwwwwwwwwwwwww. sa sarrrrrrrrrrry.
How did you get there to find out? Did you fill your engines with pollution or mass murder? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 439828
7/4/2009 8:33 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Oh boy I can't wait, NASA the ones that faked the 1960s-1970s Apollo moon landings, are going to show us the most recent evidence of the landings on the moon.
Boy oh boy, the situation defies logic.
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What exactly would constitute proof to someone who has already made their minds up and will not listen to reason?
What outlandish X-files scenario do you believe in?
400,000 people were involved in Project Apollo.
Actually I thought it was 400,001 people in on the hoax?
It is pitiful that the hoax theory has gained such prominence, mostly from characters who readily accept garbage as truth because they have seen it on You-Tube. Quoting: Chasm
You guys are such noddies, |
| Chasm
User ID: 718297
7/4/2009 8:34 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Chuckle. You're really so sure that NASA won't announce an "equipment malfunction," or "a carpet of dust obscuring the artifacts," or "destruction of the artifacts by micrometeorites"?
More importantly, though, you haven't studied either scientific or historical methods, have you?
Scientific method requires independent reproducibility, historical method requires independent confirmation. NASA is still the same military-industrial-intelligence complex as always, so anything out of its bureaucratic mouth does not qualify as independent confirmation. Quoting: Skeptic the First 718302
Independent verification?
[link to www.jaxa.jp]
[link to www.flightglobal.com]
I suppose the Japanese Space program is a hoax too.
What aspects of rocket science do you find hard to understand?
Last Edited by Chasm on 7/4/2009 at 8:39 PM
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - George Orwell |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717522
7/4/2009 8:42 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Bunch of blurry shit confirming NOTHING |
| Uriel
User ID: 715655
7/4/2009 8:43 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Because of two reasons only.
1-..There is no flag on the Moon.
2-..It is hard to see anything on the Moon when under water.
By fire gold is purified, so is love, by patience.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beggining and the end, says the Lord God, who Is and who Was and who is coming, the Almighty. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 439828
7/4/2009 8:46 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Because of two reasons only.
1-..There is no flag on the Moon.
2-..It is hard to see anything on the Moon when under water. Quoting: Uriel
It looks like China figured, if NASA can fake the exploration of space, then they can as well.
tit for tat, |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 439828
7/4/2009 8:51 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
How do we know the Chinese went to the moon? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 712750
How do we know NASA went to the moon?
Because they tell us all they did,
hey, China swears black and blue they have sent man-made craft to circle the moon. Why would China lie to the world, same reason NASA would lie to the world I suppose. |
| Chasm
User ID: 718297
7/4/2009 8:53 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Because of two reasons only.
1-..There is no flag on the Moon.
2-..It is hard to see anything on the Moon when under water. Quoting: Uriel
 The level of your reasoning defies belief!
There are some anomalies regarding the Chinese space program, but the presence of small dislodged particles in their video footage is hardly proof that the Apollo missions were faked.
[link to www.apolloarchive.com]
Yet from your signature it seems that you have blind faith in rather dubious proof of a sky-god due to the existance of an ancient book so full of inaccuracies and wild claims as to be worthless as a historical document.
Last Edited by Chasm on 7/4/2009 at 8:59 PM
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - George Orwell |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 439828
7/4/2009 8:55 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Love the bubbles man. 
Did we make it to the moon?
NASA can't confirm the coordinates of the landing sites: utter BS.
NASA airbrushes photos: Why?
NASA can't take a picture of the junk we left there: Are you serious?
After nearly 40 years, it would be impossible for them to just come out and say they didn't make it to the moon, too many heads would roll.
Sigh, I would like to think we landed on the moon, but NASA itself makes that difficult to believe.
If you loved the Chinese astronauts faking their spacewalk in a water pool, then your gonna love the air bubbles in this NASA released video.
International Space Station Hoax : Space Walks Simulated in A Massive Water Pool
[link to www.youtube.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 709642
7/4/2009 8:58 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
The environment on the Moon is very harsh. Most likely the flag, the rovers, all of the equipment left behind; all of it has broken down into dust, nothing but dust. Over a long period of time the metal, plastic, everything, etc; it breaks down. Nothing but dust now. Doubt if anything will be found of those early Moon missions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717381
Serious question: Just how fucking stupid are you?
In the vacuum of space, the artifacts left behind would, if really there, last for eons. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 439828
7/4/2009 9:02 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
More to the point, NASA has decided its not worth its while to care. If you want to learn about the space program, you can. If you'd prefer to listen to hoax theories on Fox News, then as far as NASA is concerned you've already made up your mind.
Its left to amateurs like me to try to answer questions Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 711198
Actually nomuse your job is to give others someone to mock, torment and laugh at, besides big old NASA.
So get cracking slave, hurry up at make us all laugh with your convoluted bullshit and slight-of-hand nonsense. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 692844
7/4/2009 9:04 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
The environment on the Moon is very harsh. Most likely the flag, the rovers, all of the equipment left behind; all of it has broken down into dust, nothing but dust. Over a long period of time the metal, plastic, everything, etc; it breaks down. Nothing but dust now. Doubt if anything will be found of those early Moon missions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717381
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