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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 439828
 New Zealand
7/4/2009 9:06 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
The environment on the Moon is very harsh. Most likely the flag, the rovers, all of the equipment left behind; all of it has broken down into dust, nothing but dust. Over a long period of time the metal, plastic, everything, etc; it breaks down. Nothing but dust now. Doubt if anything will be found of those early Moon missions.
Serious question: Just how fucking stupid are you?
In the vacuum of space, the artifacts left behind would, if really there, last for eons. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 709642
Yes of course, if this nonsensical moon landing believer actually believes that the environment is so vary harsh(cosmic/solar radiation-moon being highly radioactive because of no protective atmosphere), then how would the many original Apollo astronauts supposedly jump, run and hoot around, over the moon surface so care-free and easy. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 709642
 United States
7/4/2009 9:09 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Oh boy I can't wait, NASA the ones that faked the 1960s-1970s Apollo moon landings, are going to show us the most recent evidence of the landings on the moon.
Boy oh boy, the situation defies logic.
 What exactly would constitute proof to someone who has already made their minds up and will not listen to reason?
What outlandish X-files scenario do you believe in?
400,000 people were involved in Project Apollo, and the missions were closely monitored by people all around the world, including the USSR. Anyone of these would have blown the whistle on such an enormous hoax, especially the Russians, who tried unsuccessfully to get there too.
It is pitiful that the hoax theory has gained such prominence, mostly from characters who readily accept garbage as truth because they have seen it on You-Tube.
 You should listen to your own blather.
You do not want to be bothered with the facts because you have already made up your mind.
Let's say you are correct and that 400,000 people were involved in the Apollo program; of course that number is idiotic (unless you are counting every janitor, in every building, that every part that was ever manufactured). Nevertheless, of that 400,000, only a small number were directly involved in the mission and in the control room. Of that small number, most would not need to be in on the hoax; they went about their job as if the ship was actually on the way to the moon. As far as 99% of the people involved, the mission was a success. Only a select few would need to be in on the hoax and the fake images.
I have not made an ultimate conclusion of whether or not we went to the moon; I believe there are strong arguments on both sides of the issue. However, I can say with 100% certainty that many (if not most or all) of the video and pictures from the moon are totally and completely faked. Perhaps the images were not "spectacular" enough, or perhaps the images were unusable for one reason or another; but it is an absolute fact that many (most, all, etc.) of the moon images are not real. |
| Common Sense is King
User ID: 714325
 Mexico
7/4/2009 9:11 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
The environment on the Moon is very harsh. Most likely the flag, the rovers, all of the equipment left behind; all of it has broken down into dust, nothing but dust. Over a long period of time the metal, plastic, everything, etc; it breaks down. Nothing but dust now. Doubt if anything will be found of those early Moon missions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717381
More American 
Twin towers, anyone?
If you lose your common sense, you are completely lost. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 718273
United States
7/4/2009 9:13 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Many historical items are missing from the U. S. National Archives including:
Civil War telegrams from Abraham Lincoln.
Original signatures of Andrew Jackson.
Presidential portraits of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
NASA photographs from space and on the moon.
Presidential pardons.
Some were stolen by researchers or Archives employees. Others simply disappeared without a trace. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 711198
United States
7/4/2009 9:14 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Serious question: Just how fucking stupid are you?
In the vacuum of space, the artifacts left behind would, if really there, last for eons.
Yes of course, if this nonsensical moon landing believer actually believes that the environment is so vary harsh(cosmic/solar radiation-moon being highly radioactive because of no protective atmosphere), then how would the many original Apollo astronauts supposedly jump, run and hoot around, over the moon surface so care-free and easy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 439828
Apples and oranges.
If I leave my car out for forty years, it is going to be rusty, the tires flat, the rubber will be hard and cracking, the paint peeling and gone, the engine froze, the upholstery rotting. It almost certainly will not be drivable.
But do I worry any of this will happen while I'm driving around, or between the time I park at night and the time I go out to the car in the morning?
What do you think? |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 711198
United States
7/4/2009 9:17 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
A quiet, reflective, self-effacing man. First and foremost a pilot. Thrust into a limelight he didn't want, but he still overcome his natural shyness enough to speak...and yet, in Neil's words, you will always hear credit to everyone else in the program, and a downplaying of his own accomplishments.
Exactly what one would expect of an otherwise honest person, forced to participate in a lie, and afterwards trying desperately to avoid the subject and especially to avoid talking about his own role in the farce. Quoting: Skeptic the First 718302
I've heard the same kinds of words from a musician who just finished performing to a sell-out crowd. And a general who just won a major battle. I suppose they were faking it, too. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 711198
United States
7/4/2009 9:23 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Actually it may be interesting to see what NASA actually do come out with. If they do show supposed photos of the LMs, rovers, ect, it may add new fire to the truth of the hoax. Because if anything is slightly out on the angles of placement from the way that the older supposed photos taken by the astronauts on the moon shows, NASA will get yet another major thrashing and hiding.
However this is the way I see it possibly going down, photos would have been taken for the truth of historic record keeping for the hoax, by the stagehands at the Nevada test training site's fake moon bays. These photos would have been taken from high up in the ceiling of the fake moon bays looking down on the fake moon landscape. All NASA would simply do is use these photos to fake the supposed proper placement of the LMs, rovers, ect. Easily done really, especially now with sophisticated modern computers that can created good quality fake photography. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 439828
Ooh, nice work. You've got it covered both ways, don't you?
If the angles and relation to terrain features appear consistent with the excursion maps and surface photographs, it's proof that NASA made a diagram before they started filming.
(Someone should tell Jack White and Bart Sibrel and Percy and Jarrah about that, tho....half of their balderash is them claiming that different images or maps DON'T match up properly.)
On the other hand, if internet snarkers with bootleg copies of Photoshop can, by twirling filters and squinting at the screen, think they see a difference between what is shown on other sources and what is photographed by LRO, then of course it was all a fake!
Actually, I'll go for the latter, myself, as the most likely. At least three of the most prolific hoax story authors have no more ability than Rob Liedfeld does to understand a three-dimensional universe. They make trivial mistakes in trying to interpret single photographs. Imagine how much stupid they'll see into this new set! |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 711198
United States
7/4/2009 9:25 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Err....I should say "LESS than Rob Liedfeld." Rob has at least heard of foreshortening (unlike Jack White). |
| Chasm
User ID: 718297
 United Kingdom
7/4/2009 9:29 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
I can say with 100% certainty that many (if not most or all) of the video and pictures from the moon are totally and completely faked. Perhaps the images were not "spectacular" enough, or perhaps the images were unusable for one reason or another; but it is an absolute fact that many (most, all, etc.) of the moon images are not real. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 709642
I can say with 100% certainty than 0% of the evidence put forward to back up your claim stands up to any serious scrutiny. The InterWeb is so awash with these claims that I may have missed that one piece of incontrovertible evidence.
As for the wonky shadows, no stars, film emulsion problems, radiation hazards,waving flags,etc, none of it stands up to detailed analysis.
If you have clear proof, then please make it public. I and many others are waiting. If and when you produce this factual evidence, I will stand united inline with you for the ensuing deafening outcry.
Last Edited by Chasm on 7/4/2009 at 9:34 PM
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - George Orwell |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 439828
New Zealand
7/4/2009 9:36 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Ooh, nice work. You've got it covered both ways, don't you?
Actually, I'll go for the latter, myself, as the most likely. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 711198
I'll quote you on it nomuse,
nomuse-"Actually, I'll go for the latter, myself, as the most likely."(nomuse agreeing that stagehands took photos of the fake moon bay landscape from the fake moon bay ceiling above, at the Nevada test training site.)
Remember the faked Apollo moon landing hoaxes at the Nevada test training site are a 'Fact of Historical Record', it is not a 'conspiracy' or a 'theory', but rather a simple, blatant fact of history. |
| Chong
User ID: 712683
United States
7/4/2009 9:38 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
How do we know the Chinese went to the moon? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 712750
You will find a broken rikshaw with chopsticks scattered about. |
| Skeptic the First
User ID: 718302
United States
7/4/2009 9:52 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Do you actually think that a spot slightly lighter in color than some of the other spots proves anything at all? A Rorschach test may reveal plenty about the observer but very little about what is observed.
Even at best, a "halo" would only be evidence that something attempted to land at that location. It would be evidence neither of a return to earth nor of human occupancy. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 718346
 Canada
7/4/2009 9:59 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
50 + years the Americans employed great minds to rationalise an argument as why chinese moon landing expedition locates zero evidence the US with radiation impaired boots were ever there.
Surety is the americans are bad conniving sports. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 697806
What the hell does this mean? Are you a Chinese person typing in Chingrish? |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 711198
United States
7/4/2009 10:21 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
I'll quote you on it nomuse,
nomuse-"Actually, I'll go for the latter, myself, as the most likely."(nomuse agreeing that stagehands took photos of the fake moon bay landscape from the fake moon bay ceiling above, at the Nevada test training site.)
Remember the faked Apollo moon landing hoaxes at the Nevada test training site are a 'Fact of Historical Record', it is not a 'conspiracy' or a 'theory', but rather a simple, blatant fact of history. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 439828
Err...at least you could make up your mind. Was it a "bay" or were they shooting outside?
(If they were shooting outside, how come it doesn't look even slightly like the area in Nevada you name?)
(And if they were in the studio, what the heck is a "bay ceiling?" Do you know what a sound stage looks like? At all?) |
| Douggie
User ID: 716549
United States
7/4/2009 10:23 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
I took it lastime I went there. I have it hanging in my bedroom.
They have the power to create reality
I could explain it better but I would need charts, graphs and an easel.
By the way....which ones pink? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 712683
United States
7/4/2009 10:29 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
1 metre per pixel (39.4inches).
is not going to show a flag..
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Can you read?
" a resolution of less than 1 metre per pixel (39.4inches)."
Actual max. resolution will be down to 24inches per pixel in favourable conditions (angles and lighting).
The LEM (Lunar Excursion Module) that made the landing was in two parts, an ascent stage and the descent stage. On take-off at the end of the mission, the ascent stage returned the two man crew back to lunar orbit to rendezvous with the orbiting CSM (Command and service module)and the remaining crewman on board.
The descent stage was left behind on the surface and IS still there. It measures 4.21metres in diameter and will be clearly visible on the images.
The flag left on the surface was 3ft by 5ft in dimensions, so my uninformed friend, that too will be clearly visible..
[ link to www.jsc.nasa.gov]
Sorry to challenge your delusions! Quoting: Chasm
So the flag will show as one pixel. Whoopty-do. Will you be able to find it among the other 6 million pixels? What color will it be, red white or blue? Or maybe that one microscopic speck will be, you know, kinda pixel colored. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 712683
United States
7/4/2009 10:31 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
50 + years the Americans employed great minds to rationalise an argument as why chinese moon landing expedition locates zero evidence the US with radiation impaired boots were ever there.
Surety is the americans are bad conniving sports. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 697806
Two words:
-----------------> sand worms |
| JeepThang
User ID: 635836
United States
7/4/2009 10:34 PM
 | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Wushi, you got some esplainin to do!
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"Some people are born mediocre, some people achieve mediocrity, and some people have mediocrity thrust upon them." ~Joseph Heller
JeepThang
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 439828
New Zealand
7/4/2009 10:35 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
I'll quote you on it nomuse,
nomuse-"Actually, I'll go for the latter, myself, as the most likely."(nomuse agreeing that stagehands took photos of the fake moon bay landscape from the fake moon bay ceiling above, at the Nevada test training site.)
Remember the faked Apollo moon landing hoaxes at the Nevada test training site are a 'Fact of Historical Record', it is not a 'conspiracy' or a 'theory', but rather a simple, blatant fact of history.
Err...at least you could make up your mind. Was it a "bay" or were they shooting outside?
(If they were shooting outside, how come it doesn't look even slightly like the area in Nevada you name?)
(And if they were in the studio, what the heck is a "bay ceiling?" Do you know what a sound stage looks like? At all?) Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 711198
Where did I say they were faking it all outside, it was all done inside massive fake moon bays at the Nevada test training site. The inside ceiling and walls were all painted non-reflective black.
Soak in into your brain nomuse, I know you can do it if you try, I know you can, I know you can,
Whose a clever boy then, chocha, chocha choo, yes you are, |
| The Commentator
User ID: 587619
United States
7/4/2009 10:48 PM
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Many historical items are missing from the U. S. National Archives including:
Civil War telegrams from Abraham Lincoln.
Original signatures of Andrew Jackson.
Presidential portraits of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
NASA photographs from space and on the moon.
Presidential pardons.
Some were stolen by researchers or Archives employees. Others simply disappeared without a trace. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718273
ALL of the Mercury, gemini and Apollo films and still images are stored in the archives at Johnson Space center. You didn't do your homework.
non sufficit Orbis
Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.
"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"
Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 711198
United States
7/4/2009 11:29 PM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Where did I say they were faking it all outside, it was all done inside massive fake moon bays at the Nevada test training site. The inside ceiling and walls were all painted non-reflective black.
Soak in into your brain nomuse, I know you can do it if you try, I know you can, I know you can,
Whose a clever boy then, chocha, chocha choo, yes you are, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 439828
Hey, it's not my problem you guys can never get your stories straight.
No, really. You have to ask EVERY SINGLE hoax believer which particular version they adhere to. But of course since they know "Teh Obvious Truth" they get all upset when you ask.
Morons.
Well, hey, I hate to break it to you, but particularly on the Rover missions there are continuous shots covering movements over five hundred meters from the camera. There ain't no sound stage big enough. Not even the hanger at Ames would do it.
So, no, a more sensible solution would be painting the walls blue. (Except for the tiny matter of blue-screen technique not being particularly good then. Oh, and the hoax believer fave Stanley Kubrick? What method did HE use to comp the mat paintings in 2001? I know...do you?) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 718421
United States
7/5/2009 12:38 AM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 417076
United States
7/5/2009 12:54 AM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
It's amazing how utterly stupid you people are. First of all, Americans DID land on the moon. Anything contrary to that is pure ignorance and stupidity.
To think that the Hubble has the magnification to see the lunar module is just plain idiocy. Why don't you stupid idiots research before blabbering on about what you think is science. Not to mention the the surface temperature of the moon rises above 212°F and drops below -247°F at night. There is not much left of the flag and lunar equipment after 40 years of extreme temperature fluctuations. |
| 341923
User ID: 341923
United States
7/5/2009 1:16 AM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Oh boy I can't wait, NASA the ones that faked the 1960s-1970s Apollo moon landings, are going to show us the most recent evidence of the landings on the moon.
Boy oh boy, the situation defies logic.
What exactly would constitute proof to someone who has already made their minds up and will not listen to reason?
What outlandish X-files scenario do you believe in?
400,000 people were involved in Project Apollo, and the missions were closely monitored by people all around the world, including the USSR. Anyone of these would have blown the whistle on such an enormous hoax, especially the Russians, who tried unsuccessfully to get there too.
It is pitiful that the hoax theory has gained such prominence, mostly from characters who readily accept garbage as truth because they have seen it on You-Tube.
You should listen to your own blather.
You do not want to be bothered with the facts because you have already made up your mind.
Let's say you are correct and that 400,000 people were involved in the Apollo program; of course that number is idiotic (unless you are counting every janitor, in every building, that every part that was ever manufactured). Nevertheless, of that 400,000, only a small number were directly involved in the mission and in the control room. Of that small number, most would not need to be in on the hoax; they went about their job as if the ship was actually on the way to the moon. As far as 99% of the people involved, the mission was a success. Only a select few would need to be in on the hoax and the fake images.
I have not made an ultimate conclusion of whether or not we went to the moon; I believe there are strong arguments on both sides of the issue. However, I can say with 100% certainty that many (if not most or all) of the video and pictures from the moon are totally and completely faked. Perhaps the images were not "spectacular" enough, or perhaps the images were unusable for one reason or another; but it is an absolute fact that many (most, all, etc.) of the moon images are not real.
If only a small number were involved with the hoax then the engineers built working hardware that was capable of getting men there. So why not do it?
Every claim I've seen of faked photos and videos turns out to be another person that doesn't understand basic photographic principles.
Just when you think batshit crazy can't get any crazier Emily
goes and ups the ante. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 711198
United States
7/5/2009 1:34 AM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Every claim I've seen of faked photos and videos turns out to be another person that doesn't understand basic photographic principles. Quoting: 341923
Often ludicrously so. In addition to not being able to understand perspective, and making other basic errors about the visual world, AND in addition to failing to grasp basics of photography (stuff anyone who even owned a film camera should have figured out), they also have the most ludicrous ideas about how professional photography -- and motion picture photography -- is done.
That part alone makes me laugh so much. To hear them throw around words about film that they obviously heard a character on television say -- because they bear no resemblance to how the industry actually does things! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 439828
New Zealand
7/5/2009 2:03 AM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 646699
United States
7/5/2009 2:09 AM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Easy- we did not go to the moon. Thats why they let it slip that they are sending up probes NOW for a possible astronaut landing in the FUTURE. |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 711198
United States
7/5/2009 2:15 AM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
nomuse don't be humble now, why don't you show us all your very many academy awards, since you brilliance in movie making sounds astounding. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 439828
Naw. My experience is in a related field. I know just enough about the movie business -- and studio photography -- to seriously wonder where Jack White actually works. I have a hard time believing he's a photographer! |
| nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 711198
United States
7/5/2009 2:17 AM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
Easy- we did not go to the moon. Thats why they let it slip that they are sending up probes NOW for a possible astronaut landing in the FUTURE. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 646699
Ah, right. So that's why NASA announced it that way; "We're taking new studies of the Moon in order to plan long duration stays within the next ten years."
You'd think, for guys running a huge hoax, they'd figure out that making public announcements about it is hardly a way to keep a secret.... |
| UP
User ID: 718465
 Australia
7/5/2009 2:34 AM | | Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag | Quote |
You conspiracy people are going to have to shut up and accept the idiocy of your childish claims really soon.
Chuckle. You're really so sure that NASA won't announce an "equipment malfunction," or "a carpet of dust obscuring the artifacts," or "destruction of the artifacts by micrometeorites"?
More importantly, though, you haven't studied either scientific or historical methods, have you?
Scientific method requires independent reproducibility, historical method requires independent confirmation. NASA is still the same military-industrial-intelligence complex as always, so anything out of its bureaucratic mouth does not qualify as independent confirmation. Quoting: Skeptic the First 718302
Hey Skeptic, as more and more corroborating evidence comes in from the other mapping probes from other agencies and countries, can you tell us how much nasa is paying them all (I mean none of them would want to embarrasss the USA would they, just like Russia, China and many other countries at the time, none of who raised a suspicion of fakery), and then tell us what new delusional ideas you will come up with? All your other stuff has bit the proverbial parabolic arching dust.
Did you ever manage to explain how they did that dust trick in a warehouse, back in '69?
You're quite hilarious, Skeptic. Even more hilarious is that NASA couldn't care less about uneducated folk like you, kicking up this tiny little fuss on a conspiracy forum. Do you have a webpage, by the way? A Youtube channel?
I'd like to go and comment some more - it's good entertainment to watch the lengths you will go to... |
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