"The Apollo astronauts made some measurements of radiation on the Moon, but the results don't provide as complete a picture as what scientists now have of the red planet. But Zeitlin said the Moon would be more dangerous since it has no atmosphere -- probably about half as dangerous as free space (again, someone on the Moon would be protected by the Moon itself on one side)". end quote.
what data did the 1960/70 moon landings obtain regarding radiation, plus other moon surface information.
According to the above quote, the astronauts were lacking specific knowledge regarding radiation level at the moons surface. So how is it possible to initiate a program to land there.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 710286 7/5/2009 6:00 AM
Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag
The environment on the Moon is very harsh. Most likely the flag, the rovers, all of the equipment left behind; all of it has broken down into dust, nothing but dust. Over a long period of time the metal, plastic, everything, etc; it breaks down. Nothing but dust now. Doubt if anything will be found of those early Moon missions.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717381
bwahahah
Anonymous Coward User ID: 710286 7/5/2009 6:00 AM
Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag
The environment on the Moon is very harsh. Most likely the flag, the rovers, all of the equipment left behind; all of it has broken down into dust, nothing but dust. Over a long period of time the metal, plastic, everything, etc; it breaks down. Nothing but dust now. Doubt if anything will be found of those early Moon missions.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717381
bwahahah
Skeptic the First User ID: 718302 7/5/2009 6:51 AM
Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag
Hey Skeptic, as more and more corroborating evidence comes in from the other mapping probes from other agencies and countries, can you tell us how much nasa is paying them all
Quoting: UP 718465
You mean, as the corroborating evidence doesn't come in. Experts predicted that India's Chandrayaan lunar orbiter would be able to discern the Apollo lunar landers and perhaps even the rovers. But look at what actually happened:
[link to timesofindia.indiatimes.com]
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Sreekumar told TOI that that the six Apollo landing sites which were mapped related to those of Apollo 11, 12, 14 15 and 17. The process began on January 7 and ended on January 10.
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Shockingly:
1) No photos or video were ever released.
2) Sreekumar is a NASA agent (he was still authoring papers for NASA in 2007) who has apparently taken effective control of India's space program.
Or should we talk about Chile? The ESO VLTI in Chile was specifically going to discern the Apollo lunar landers, according to an astronomer who worked for them. But after several years, nothing was announced or published. Someone finally wrote to ESO VLTI asking about the promise, and here was the reply from Olivier Hainut of the ESO VLTI:
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For instance, if the whole Apollo campaign were a hoax, it would be very simple to fake the VLTI observations to show what it should show. Obviously, as I am an astronomer, and as I am a former NASA employee, I would also be part of the hoax...
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So a NASA agent has taken effective control of the ESO VLTI as well.
The Professor User ID: 593503 7/5/2009 7:57 AM
Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag
You conspiracy people are going to have to shut up and accept the idiocy of your childish claims really soon. NASA's LRO/LCROSS probe is currently in lunar orbit and calibrating its Hi-res cameras which have a resolution of less than 1 metre per pixel (39.4inches).
The Apollo landing sites are going to be imaged and will show the hardware we left up there between 1969 and 1972.
These are the first close-up test shots. If you want you can even request a particular area to be imaged by putting in a request to NASA.
Oh yes to answer the OP.
Where is the American Moon flag?
Obviously on the MOON! The Chinese manned missions have all been in LEO (Low earth Orbit) at least 238,000 miles from the moon. At this distance, the most powerful telescope in existance would not be able to image the Apollo mission artefacts, flag included. The Chinese spacemen would have no chance to see them, and would not expect too.
Like the fundementalist religous nuts (Christian,Muslim, etc) you conspiracy freaks will obviously claim that this is all a fake as well, but there is no cure for entrenched belief based in blind faith, is there?
Scientific evidence is never going to dent the armour plate of ignorance.
Quoting: Chasm
First, Chasm your ignorance is showing and I truly feel sorry for you. Second, IF (and I say ‘if’ with mocking speculation) the LRO/LCROSS probe provides any images of the aforementioned landing site, it will not prove anything. In fact, many will just assume that the images were doctored just as the images of the Apollo missions could have been. I could produce some pretty realistic images myself using Photoshop).
I find it very convenient that NASA has recently returned to the Moon. Is it possible that they are realizing that other countries finally have the capability to prove (or disprove) the Moon landings? I’ve wondered whether the true purpose of these missions wasn’t actually deposit equipment debris in the landing site(s) so that future probes will find something.
Back in May, we learned that Japan’s Kaguya lunar orbiter took several pictures of the site, where Apollo 15 and Apollo 17 supposedly landed in 1971 and 1972. If the astronauts had ever landed there, they should have left a lot of equipment on the site, including the rovers, on which they traveled on the surface of the Earth’s satellite. The pictures, which the Japanese rover took, showed not even the slightest hint of the US presence on the Moon.
BTW, I am one of those fundamentalist religious nuts (Christian) you referred to and take offense to your insults. I’m old enough to remember the Apollo missions when they were happening and have studied science and space exploration for over 40 years. Your comment “idiocy of your childish claims “ doesn’t play here. How long have YOU been alive?
Also, if you are going to insult us fundamentalist religious nuts, please learn how to spell the words. (Again, your inability to spell correctly makes me wonder whether you are even out of high school?)
I.e its artifacts not artifacts, existence not existence, and fundamentalist religious not fundementalist religous to name a few.
Because the American flag that was placed on the moon was made in China it pretty much dry rotted after 6 months. The newer ones made in Mexico last much longer. We must go back and immediately replace our flag. The moon belongs to America!!!!!
I could produce some pretty realistic images myself using Photoshop).
Quoting: The Professor 593503
In 1969 there were no computers powerful enough to run Photoshop even if the software existed.
I’ve wondered whether the true purpose of these missions wasn’t actually deposit equipment debris in the landing site(s) so that future probes will find something.
Quoting: The Professor 593503
Clutching at straws here eh?
The pictures, which the Japanese rover took, showed not even the slightest hint of the US presence on the Moon.
Quoting: The Professor 593503
What Japanese Rover? It was an orbiting probe called SELENE.
Proving your ignorance beyond question.
BTW Selene's camera has a resolution of 10m per pixel.
BTW, I am one of those fundamentalist religious nuts (Christian) you referred to and take offense to your insults.
Quoting: The Professor 593503
Glad to hear it. I am sure you will now tell me I will burn in hell. Don't bruise your hand thumping your Bible whilst speaking in tongues and frothing at the mouth.
I’m old enough to remember the Apollo missions when they were happening and have studied science and space exploration for over 40 years.
Quoting: The Professor 593503
Yep same here. At least we have one thing in common.
So why do you have such a problem understanding the science involved?
(Again, your inability to spell correctly makes me wonder whether you are even out of high school?)
I.e its artifacts not artifacts, existence not existence, and fundamentalist religious not fundementalist religous to name a few.
Quoting: The Professor 593503
My few spelling errors are due to laziness. Having worked with computers since 1977, my reliance on spell checkers, sadly lacking on this forum, sometimes shows. May Jesus forgive me for that.
As for your use of grammar, as highlighted in bold above, it should read "It is" not "Its". But now I am lowering myself to the level of pathetic pettiness which you have resorted to. Sad isn't it?
As I said before, you extremist religious folk come across as dangerously deluded and hopelessly close-minded fools.No apologies there. I am not alone in thinking that.
I hope I have spelt this all correctly, or the Prof. may keep me back in detention or banish me to fire and brimstone..Eeek!
Last Edited by Chasm on 7/5/2009 at 10:45 AM In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - George Orwell
nomuse (NLI) User ID: 711198 7/5/2009 3:11 PM
Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag
I.e its artifacts not artifacts, existence not existence...
Quoting: The Professor 593503
I spell tomato, you spell tomato....don't you hate it when spell checkers fix what didn't need fixing? ^_^
(There is a story going around about a young actress auditioning for a musical. She brings in George and Ira's "Let's Call the Whole Thing Off" for her audition piece, and sings, "You say either and I say either,
You say neither and I say neither..."; she goes through the entire song singing the same word in each verse, completely missing the point of the song. She didn't get the part, "eyether.")
Anonymous Coward User ID: 718678 7/5/2009 4:02 PM
Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag
The environment on the Moon is very harsh. Most likely the flag, the rovers, all of the equipment left behind; all of it has broken down into dust, nothing but dust. Over a long period of time the metal, plastic, everything, etc; it breaks down. Nothing but dust now. Doubt if anything will be found of those early Moon missions.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717381
Yeah, it's been like, uh, man, thousands of years, huh?
nomuse (NLI) User ID: 711198 7/5/2009 5:08 PM
Re: Chinese astronauts disapointed, Wheres The American Moon Flag
The environment on the Moon is very harsh. Most likely the flag, the rovers, all of the equipment left behind; all of it has broken down into dust, nothing but dust. Over a long period of time the metal, plastic, everything, etc; it breaks down. Nothing but dust now. Doubt if anything will be found of those early Moon missions.
Yeah, it's been like, uh, man, thousands of years, huh?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 714917
Interesting you chose to focus on that somewhat inaccurate guess, instead of the mainstream opinion.
Perhaps soon you will graduate to using real straw men.
I happen to agree with the poster quoted that there will be significant damage, but aside from some of the most fragile items -- like the nylon flags -- I expect to see the bulk of the hardware still there. The condition of the Surveyor probe, and the results of the LDEF study [link to setas-www.larc.nasa.gov] supports this belief.
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