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anonymous
User ID: 717738
7/4/2009 1:31 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
oh great ..NK . well they will not stop.. |
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Sou£
User ID: 716131
7/4/2009 1:31 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
They said before they shot "scud" like missiles. Did they make them or did they get them from someone? And if they did who the hell gave him those?
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Winningjob
User ID: 385114
7/4/2009 1:32 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
I'm a knee-jerk dove but sometimes I think, damn, it would take about a two week air campaign to knock them back to the nineteenth century and nobody would have to worry about this anymore. It would be a hell of a lot simpler than Iraq.
Bomb NK... with Russia on their border ?
and Russia's Pacific Fleet base 70 miles
from the NK border.
~ Quoting: Is45
Well, allegedly Russia has given the U.S. the green light on flyovers via Russia to Afghanistan anyway...with Palin stepping down today and muttering something about the constitution I think we may see something we didn't expect.
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Winningjob
User ID: 385114
7/4/2009 1:33 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
They said before they shot "scud" like missiles. Did they make them or did they get them from someone? And if they did who the hell gave him those? Quoting: Sou£
Iran, Russia and China supply a lot of SCUD I think?!
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Sou£
User ID: 716131
7/4/2009 1:36 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
Anyone wanna guess how many they test?
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 548017
7/4/2009 1:36 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
I'm a knee-jerk dove but sometimes I think, damn, it would take about a two week air campaign to knock them back to the nineteenth century and nobody would have to worry about this anymore. It would be a hell of a lot simpler than Iraq.
Bomb NK... with Russia on their border ?
and Russia's Pacific Fleet base 70 miles
from the NK border. Quoting: Is45
I know, you're right. But then again, how is it in the interest of Russia or China to support this archaic regime that's threatening to upset everybody's apple cart? |
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Miggy
User ID: 713808
7/4/2009 1:39 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
Is NOBODY going to stop this nut job? EVER?
I blame Russia, China and South Korea as much as I do us.
I'm fed up and going to bed with a glass of wine and a few Seinfeld DVDs to take my mind off of this insane world.
See you guys tomorrow- if we're still here.
If not, oh well.
Miggy |
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gwjc88
User ID: 437578
7/4/2009 1:40 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
I'm a knee-jerk dove but sometimes I think, damn, it would take about a two week air campaign to knock them back to the nineteenth century and nobody would have to worry about this anymore. It would be a hell of a lot simpler than Iraq.
Bomb NK... with Russia on their border ?
and Russia's Pacific Fleet base 70 miles
from the NK border.
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Well, allegedly Russia has given the U.S. the green light on flyovers via Russia to Afghanistan anyway...with Palin stepping down today and muttering something about the constitution I think we may see something we didn't expect. Quoting: Winningjob
your leaving me hangin' man...  |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 681400
7/4/2009 1:40 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
Can we fight 4 wars simultaneously ?
Afg.
Irq.
Irn.
NK |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 716214
7/4/2009 1:41 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
he ought to ramp it up big time, or quit |
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hardboiledheretic
User ID: 716940
7/4/2009 1:42 AM
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Question - we're talking Kim Jong Il here as the leader of N. Korea firing off these missiles, right? Yet didn't he appoint his son two months ago to take over leadership of the country? Kim Jong Il is supposed to be very ill.
Is his son doing this?
Or is KJI showing off to his son?
Sorry if I missed some news.
Whatcha think?
h |
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Is45
User ID: 698696
7/4/2009 1:42 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
Well, allegedly Russia has given the U.S. the green light on flyovers via Russia to Afghanistan anyway.. Quoting: Winningjob
Apparently, Russians are flying Russian aircraft out of Diego Garcia to Afghanistan.
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Sou£
User ID: 716131
7/4/2009 1:42 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
Is NOBODY going to stop this nut job? EVER?
I blame Russia, China and South Korea as much as I do us.
I'm fed up and going to bed with a glass of wine and a few Seinfeld DVDs to take my mind off of this insane world.
See you guys tomorrow- if we're still here.
If not, oh well.
Miggy Quoting: Miggy 713808
We weren't testing our Minute Man III missiles just to make sure they work...
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Winningjob
User ID: 385114
7/4/2009 1:43 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
Question - we're talking Kim Jong Il here as the leader of N. Korea firing off these missiles, right? Yet didn't he appoint his son two months ago to take over leadership of the country? Kim Jong Il is supposed to be very ill.
Is his son doing this?
Or is KJI showing off to his son?
Sorry if I missed some news.
Whatcha think?
h Quoting: hardboiledheretic
It was posted on GLP previously that something similar happened when KJI took office from HIS father. So, I do keep that in mind, but hard to tell anymore.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717733
7/4/2009 1:47 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
speculation:
he has cobbled togethwer something real from soviet era materiel and he will shoot. |
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Winningjob
User ID: 385114
7/4/2009 1:48 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
Well, allegedly Russia has given the U.S. the green light on flyovers via Russia to Afghanistan anyway..
Apparently, Russians are flying Russian aircraft out of Diego Garcia to Afghanistan.
[ link to ibnlive.in.com]
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JJackF108
User ID: 667270
7/4/2009 1:51 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
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Rebirth is possible in life, no matter how many tries it takes!!!
I have an opinion, you just might not like it!!! |
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hardboiledheretic
User ID: 716940
7/4/2009 1:53 AM
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Question - we're talking Kim Jong Il here as the leader of N. Korea firing off these missiles, right? Yet didn't he appoint his son two months ago to take over leadership of the country? Kim Jong Il is supposed to be very ill.
Is his son doing this?
Or is KJI showing off to his son?
Sorry if I missed some news.
Whatcha think?
h
It was posted on GLP previously that something similar happened when KJI took office from HIS father. So, I do keep that in mind, but hard to tell anymore. Quoting: Winningjob
All I remember about that WJ is that they said the son will be worse than the father. Don't recall details about things being fired. Apparently it amounted to nothing. What year was that? Like, 20 years ago or so? Hmm...
So now THIS father, Kim Jong Il is incapacitated so what in the hell is going on?
It truly is a frightening country. The people are so starved and oppressed there and I don't think they have any natural resources. All money goes to the military.
It's a reality check for those of us in the west. Not that we can relate.
h |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717800
7/4/2009 1:54 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
UK says it will have a statement in about 40 minutes on North Korea
just saw this on twitter Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717784
Whats NK to the UK? It's not like they have been threaten by them or they are in range.
By the way why is NK not allowed to test weapons? |
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Sou£
User ID: 716131
7/4/2009 1:57 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
UK says it will have a statement in about 40 minutes on North Korea
just saw this on twitter
Whats NK to the UK? It's not like they have been threaten by them or they are in range.
By the way why is NK not allowed to test weapons? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717800
Have you heard where they wanna aim after they're done testing?
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~~**Nightfall**~~
User ID: 200257
7/4/2009 2:00 AM
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UK says it will have a statement in about 40 minutes on North Korea
just saw this on twitter
Whats NK to the UK? It's not like they have been threaten by them or they are in range.
By the way why is NK not allowed to test weapons? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717800
It's the way they do it....secretively, and against UN resolutions, essentially flexing their military might to frighten the US and other places...it's their whole secretive, threatening manner they go about doing these things.
NK is a hostile nation...read up on google about the Gulags in NK...it's shocking the way human beings are treated in that country... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 715874
7/4/2009 2:00 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
I don't think he's gonna fire a live ICMB but I Think he'll shoot one off the coast of Hawaii as a "test" to show us he means business...
No one will take him seriously anymore..
He's obviously not finished showing off today
He likes to shame the USA on their holidays Quoting: ^TrInItY^
4th of July is when his dad died. |
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^TrInItY^  
Forum Administrator
7/4/2009 2:01 AM
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4th of July is when his dad died. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 715874
his last big deal was a nuke test on memorial day for the usa
I'd say he's got a thing for usa holidays
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Of the few who listen, fewer still will understand,
Understanding does not mean believe,
Of the handful who believe, most may not know what to do,
Those who even know, how many will actually do ?
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~~**Nightfall**~~
User ID: 200257
7/4/2009 2:01 AM
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North Korea's Horrific Gulag
Phil Brennan, NewsMax.com
Thursday, Feb. 13, 2003
Women undergo forced abortions, newborn babies are beaten to death, children are used for slave labor, and thousands every year are brutally murdered or worked to death.
The gulag is alive and well in North Korea, teeming with hundreds of thousands of brutalized human beings condemned to a blood-drenched existence so horrific it is almost impossible for civilized people to imagine.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn, the famed Russian author, described the Soviet Union’s “Gulag Archipelago,” a vast collection of slave labor camps in frozen Siberia where the prisoners were routinely tortured, starved and forced to work under the most inhuman of conditions. That gulag vanished when the Soviet Union collapsed.
Today, another gulag – one perhaps far more brutal than its Soviet counterpart – exists in North Korea, where an estimated 200,000 political prisoners pay the terrible price for having offended the communist dictatorship in even the most minor of ways.
In an extraordinary exercise of investigative journalism, NBC News exposed the horrors of these torture and slaughter pens, interviewing former prisoners, guards and U.S. and South Korean officials. The network revealed “the horrifying conditions these people must endure — conditions that shock even those North Koreans accustomed to the near-famine conditions of Kim Jong-il’s realm.”
'Depravity'
“It's one of the worst, if not the worst, situation — human rights abuse situation — in the world today,” said Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., who held hearings on the camps last year.
“There are very few places that could compete with the level of depravity, the harshness of this regime in North Korea toward its own people.”
According to NBC News:
* At one camp, Camp 22 in Haengyong, 50,000 prisoners toil each day in conditions that U.S. officials and former prisoners say result in the death of 20 percent to 25 percent of the prison population every year.
* Shockingly, products made by prison laborers may wind up on U.S. store shelves, having been “washed” first through Chinese companies that serve as intermediaries.
* Entire families, including grandchildren, are incarcerated for even the most bland political statements.
* Forced abortions are carried out on pregnant women so that another generation of political dissidents will be “eradicated.”
* Inmates are used as human guinea pigs for testing biological and chemical agents, according to former prisoners and U.S. officials.
“All of North Korea is a gulag,” one senior U.S. official told NBC News, noting that as many as 2 million people have died of starvation while Kim has amassed the world’s largest collection of Daffy Duck cartoons.
“It’s just that these people [in the camps] are treated the worst. No one knows for sure how many people are in the camps, but 200,000 is consistent with our best guess. We don’t have a breakdown, but there are large numbers of both women and children.”
Screaming Newborn Kicked to Death
One former gulag inmate, Soon Ok Lee, spent seven years at a camp near Kaechon in Pyungbuk province. She told the network: “I was in prison from 1987 till January 1993. [The women] were forced to abort their children. They put salty water into the pregnant women’s womb with a large syringe, in order to kill the baby even when the woman was eight months or nine months pregnant.
“And then, from time to time there a living infant is delivered. And then if someone delivers a live infant, then the guards kick the bloody baby and kill it. And I saw an infant who was crying with pain. I have to express this in words, that I witnessed such an inhumane hell.”
Soon watched 50 fellow prisoners dying excruciatingly painful deaths when they were used as human guinea pigs in biological warfare research.
“I saw so many poor victims,” she recalled. “Hundreds of people became victims of biochemical testing. I was imprisoned in 1987 and during the years of 1988 through ’93, when I was released, I saw the research supervisors — they were enjoying the effect of biochemical weapons, effective beyond their expectations — they were saying they were successful.”
Horrifying Experiments
Soon told NBC News about one instance when about 50 prisoners were taken to an auditorium and given a piece of boiled cabbage to eat. Within a half hour, they began vomiting blood and quickly died. “I saw that in 20 or 30 minutes they died like this in that place. Looking at that scene, I lost my mind. Was this reality or a nightmare? And then I screamed and was sent out of the auditorium.”
Kang Chol-Hwan, a journalist with Chosun Ilbo, South Korea’s most important newspaper, and author of “The Aquariums of Pyongyang,” the first memoir of a North Korean political prisoner, spent almost 10 years in the gulag. He was imprisoned because his grandfather had made complimentary statements about Japanese capitalism.
He was just 9 years old when he arrived at the Yodok camp. His grandfather was never seen again, and prison conditions killed his father.
“When I was 10 years old,” Kang recalled, “we were put to work digging clay and constructing a building. And there were dozens of kids, and while digging the ground, it collapsed. And they died. And the bodies were crushed flat. And they buried the kids secretly, without showing their parents, even though the parents came.”
'Eyeballs Taken Out by Beating'
Ahn Myong Chol, a guard at the Haengyong camp from 1987 through 1994, told the network, “I heard many times that eyeballs were taken out by beating.”
“And I saw that by beating the person the muscle was damaged and the bone was exposed, outside, and they put salt on the wounded part. At the beginning I was frightened when I witnessed it, but it was repeated again and again, so my feelings were paralyzed.”
Beating and killing prisoners, Ahn said, was not only tolerated, it was encouraged and even rewarded.
“They trained me not to treat the prisoners as human beings. If someone is against socialism, if someone tries to escape from prison, then kill him. If there’s a record of killing any escapee, then the guard will be entitled to study in the college. Because of that, some guards kill innocent people.”
NBC’s investigation found that North Korea’s State Security Agency maintains a dozen political prisons and about 30 forced labor and labor education camps, mainly in remote areas in the north.
“The worst are in the country’s far northeast. Some of them are gargantuan: At least two of the camps, Haengyong and Huaong, are larger in area than the District of Columbia, with Huaong being three times the size of the U.S. capital district,” the network explained.
Lim Young Sun, a former North Korean army officer who fled the North 10 years ago, told NBC News, “The degree of punishment has become more severe.”
Lim, director of investigations for the Commission to Help North Korean Refugees, said: “Executions in public have decreased, but within labor camps it has increased. The situation especially within those camps is getting much worse.”
Evil Indeed
It was his knowledge of the gulag and its horrors that led President Bush to include North Korea in his “Axis of Evil” in his 2002 State of the Union address.
“I loathe Kim Jong-il,” Bush told Bob Woodward during an interview for the author’s book “Bush at War.”
“I’ve got a visceral reaction to this guy because he is starving his people. And I have seen intelligence of these prison camps — they’re huge — that he uses to break up families and to torture people.”
The Bush administration is finally curbing Bill Clinton's disastrous policy of pandering to and providing massive aid to Pyongyang. The regime's theft of tens of millions of dollars in food aid, intended for the starving populace but diverted to the military and the political elites, prompted the U.S. on Tuesday to delay further aid.
The U.S. is "going to be darn sure that if we tell you where the food is supposed to be and you give it to someone else, then we're going to wait, and we're going to be darn sure that our food is getting through to the right people," said Tony Hall, U.S. ambassador to U.N. food agencies.
Korea Monster Revealed: In NewsMax Magazine's March edition, learn more about North Korea, its nuclear blackmail and how President Bush can stop madman dictator Kim Jong-il. Subscribe today.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 657124
7/4/2009 2:01 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
SEOUL, South Korea — South Korea says North Korea has fired a fourth missile off its eastern coast
[ link to www.foxnews.com] Quoting: Sou£
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717800
7/4/2009 2:02 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
UK says it will have a statement in about 40 minutes on North Korea
just saw this on twitter
Whats NK to the UK? It's not like they have been threaten by them or they are in range.
By the way why is NK not allowed to test weapons?
Have you heard where they wanna aim after they're done testing? Quoting: Sou£
Where? and with what? the US? Australia? Japan?
Dont you people remember that other guy with WMDs. Oh thats right it was all just BS to get you lot to go to war.
NK is no threat to anyone except for maybe SK. Is SK allowed to test it weapons? I guess the US and the UK, France and others test them before selling them to SK. |
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Sou£
User ID: 716131
7/4/2009 2:04 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
UK says it will have a statement in about 40 minutes on North Korea
just saw this on twitter
Whats NK to the UK? It's not like they have been threaten by them or they are in range.
By the way why is NK not allowed to test weapons?
Have you heard where they wanna aim after they're done testing?
Where? and with what? the US? Australia? Japan?
Dont you people remember that other guy with WMDs. Oh thats right it was all just BS to get you lot to go to war.
NK is no threat to anyone except for maybe SK. Is SK allowed to test it weapons? I guess the US and the UK, France and others test them before selling them to SK. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717800
Guess who will butt in if S. Korea is attacked?
Difficulties are meant to rouse, not discourage. The human spirit is to grow strong by conflict. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717733
7/4/2009 2:04 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
"4th of July is when his dad died"
should be all caps! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717800
7/4/2009 2:11 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
UK says it will have a statement in about 40 minutes on North Korea
just saw this on twitter
Whats NK to the UK? It's not like they have been threaten by them or they are in range.
By the way why is NK not allowed to test weapons?
Have you heard where they wanna aim after they're done testing?
Where? and with what? the US? Australia? Japan?
Dont you people remember that other guy with WMDs. Oh thats right it was all just BS to get you lot to go to war.
NK is no threat to anyone except for maybe SK. Is SK allowed to test it weapons? I guess the US and the UK, France and others test them before selling them to SK.
Guess who will butt in if S. Korea is attacked? Quoting: Sou£
IF! IF! IF! The sky is falling !!!!!!!
What if the USA spends more money than all other nations in the world combined, what if the USA is the biggest exporter of weapons in the world. What if the USA had invaded more countries than any other nation. What if the USA was the only country EVER to nuke another. What if the USA had killed millions of innocent people in the last 30 years.....what if. |
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Sou£
User ID: 716131
7/4/2009 2:11 AM | | Re: 4th N. Korean missile fired | Quote |
UK says it will have a statement in about 40 minutes on North Korea
just saw this on twitter
Whats NK to the UK? It's not like they have been threaten by them or they are in range.
By the way why is NK not allowed to test weapons?
Have you heard where they wanna aim after they're done testing?
Where? and with what? the US? Australia? Japan?
Dont you people remember that other guy with WMDs. Oh thats right it was all just BS to get you lot to go to war.
NK is no threat to anyone except for maybe SK. Is SK allowed to test it weapons? I guess the US and the UK, France and others test them before selling them to SK.
Guess who will butt in if S. Korea is attacked?
IF! IF! IF! The sky is falling !!!!!!!
What if the USA spends more money than all other nations in the world combined, what if the USA is the biggest exporter of weapons in the world. What if the USA had invaded more countries than any other nation. What if the USA was the only country EVER to nuke another. What if the USA had killed millions of innocent people in the last 30 years.....what if. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717800
What if you gave a fuck?
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