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Few survive cardiac arrest, even with CPR
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coolhandluke74 
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7/4/2009 7:07 AM
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The odds of surviving cardiac arrest after getting CPR in a hospital are slim and have not improved in more than a decade, a big Medicare study concludes.
Only about 18 percent of such patients live long enough to leave the hospital, researchers found. Blacks fared worse than whites — a disparity only partly explained by more of them being treated in hospitals that did a poorer job of CPR.
Results were published in Thursday’s New England Journal of Medicine.
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coolhandluke74
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7/4/2009 8:00 AM
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Maybe they will find something in the future
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jlazarus
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7/4/2009 8:11 AM | | Re: Few survive cardiac arrest, even with CPR | Quote |
Interesting, I just read a few days ago about a doctor in LA that has a special technique that has a great resuscitation rate!! In fact, the story was highlighted because of MJ's death - you might find it quite interesting - here it is:
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Here's just a snippet from the beginning of the article:
A world-renowned surgeon at the UCLA Medical Center has pioneered a way to revive people that most doctors would have long written off, including a woman whose heart had stopped for 2 1/2 hours.
Tested on a few dozen cardiac arrest patients, 80 percent survived. Usually, more than 80 percent perish.
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coolhandluke74
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7/4/2009 8:13 AM
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Interesting, I just read a few days ago about a doctor in LA that has a special technique that has a great resuscitation rate!! In fact, the story was highlighted because of MJ's death - you might find it quite interesting - here it is:
[ link to news.yahoo.com]
Here's just a snippet from the beginning of the article:
A world-renowned surgeon at the UCLA Medical Center has pioneered a way to revive people that most doctors would have long written off, including a woman whose heart had stopped for 2 1/2 hours.
Tested on a few dozen cardiac arrest patients, 80 percent survived. Usually, more than 80 percent perish.
Is that the one where they lower your body temp to lessen the damage?
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SubarcticBeef
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7/4/2009 8:17 AM
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coolhandluke74
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7/4/2009 8:18 AM
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Red pepper works too i have heard
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SubarcticBeef
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7/4/2009 8:21 AM
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Red pepper works too i have heard Quoting: coolhandluke74
I'll check with my in-home expert, the wife. She's always making me eat blueberries, strawberries and other fruits and veggies. Says it's good for the heart.
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jlazarus
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7/4/2009 8:24 AM | | Re: Few survive cardiac arrest, even with CPR | Quote |
Is that the one where they lower your body temp to lessen the damage? Quoting: coolhandluke74
No, he uses CPR, but in conjunction with the following:
Buckberg's method requires:
_Prompt CPR — rhythmic chest compressions — to maintain blood pressure until the patient gets to a hospital.
_Use of a heart-lung machine to keep blood and oxygen moving through the body while doctors remedy what caused the heart to quiver or stop in the first place, such as a drug overdose or a clogged artery.
_Special procedures and medicines to gradually restore blood and oxygen flow, so a sudden gush does not cause fresh damage.
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jlazarus
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7/4/2009 8:26 AM | | Re: Few survive cardiac arrest, even with CPR | Quote |
More from that article:
The results in other patients show that "the window is wide open to new thinking" about how long people can be successfully resuscitated after their hearts quit beating, Buckberg said. "We can salvage them way beyond the current time frames that are used. We've changed the concept of when the heart is dead permanently."
They call it "the Lazarus syndrome" for the man the Bible says Jesus raised from the dead.
Let's be clear: No one is saying that people long dead without medical attention can be revived. The lucky ones in Buckberg's study received quick help, and the reason they suffered cardiac arrest was known and could be fixed: blocked arteries causing a heart attack, in most cases.
Buckberg's method requires:
_Prompt CPR — rhythmic chest compressions — to maintain blood pressure until the patient gets to a hospital.
_Use of a heart-lung machine to keep blood and oxygen moving through the body while doctors remedy what caused the heart to quiver or stop in the first place, such as a drug overdose or a clogged artery.
_Special procedures and medicines to gradually restore blood and oxygen flow, so a sudden gush does not cause fresh damage.
Without all three elements, patients might suffer brain damage if they survive at all.
"You can save the heart and lose the brain," Buckberg explained.
UCLA and hospitals in Birmingham, Ala.; Ann Arbor, Mich.; and in Germany tested Buckberg's method on 34 patients who had been in cardiac arrest for an average of 72 minutes. All had failed resuscitation methods with standard CPR and defibrillation to try to shock their hearts back to beating.
Only seven died. Only two survivors were left with permanent neurological damage. Results were published in 2006 in the journal Resuscitation.
Dr. Constantine Athanasuleas (pronounced uh-than-uh-SOO'-lee-us), a surgeon at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, treated one man in the study who had been in cardiac arrest for about an hour and a half. The man's wife, a nurse, did CPR until a helicopter brought him to the hospital.
"He was flatlined," with a heart "as still as your dining room table," Athanasuleas said.
Doctors put him on a heart-lung machine, whisked him to the catheterization lab to see if he had artery blockages, then did bypass surgery to detour around them.
"The guy went home and was neurologically perfect" at least two years later, the doctor said.
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jlazarus
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7/4/2009 8:28 AM | | Re: Few survive cardiac arrest, even with CPR | Quote |
I just want to point out that, regardless of the current mortality rate stats, CPR, in certain scenarios, can save lives - and can save many lives.
I imagine as more hospitals adopt this dr's technique, you will see that rate go up.
So learn it and use it if you find yourself in that situation! I know someone who survived a heart attack due to a stranger's knowledge of CPR. It can save lives!!
I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. ~ Robert Heinlein |
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coolhandluke74
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7/4/2009 8:30 AM
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I just want to point out that, regardless of the current mortality rate stats, CPR, in certain scenarios, can save lives - and can save many lives.
I imagine as more hospitals adopt this dr's technique, you will see that rate go up.
So learn it and use it if you find yourself in that situation! I know someone who survived a heart attack due to a stranger's knowledge of CPR. It can save lives!! Quoting: jlazarus
Kinda hits home for me, i used to have PSVT till i got a cardiac ablation
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Anonymous Coward
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7/4/2009 8:35 AM | | Re: Few survive cardiac arrest, even with CPR | Quote |
I believe they changed the way CPR is done. Instead of doing mouth-to-mouth and chest compressions, it's now just 100 compressions/min.
Apparently the chest compressions adequately ventilate the lungs. |
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refugee13
"oh well, whatever, nevermind..."
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7/4/2009 8:40 AM
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I just want to point out that, regardless of the current mortality rate stats, CPR, in certain scenarios, can save lives - and can save many lives.
I imagine as more hospitals adopt this dr's technique, you will see that rate go up.
So learn it and use it if you find yourself in that situation! I know someone who survived a heart attack due to a stranger's knowledge of CPR. It can save lives!!
Kinda hits home for me, i used to have PSVT till i got a cardiac ablation Quoting: coolhandluke74
me, too, CHL...I have atrial fibrillation...controlled with meds for now...this post has been favorited for future reference...
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Nothing Is True
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7/4/2009 8:41 AM
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Chest compressions should be performed to the rhythm of the Bee Gees 'Stayin Alive'.
#Ah, ah, ah, ah..#
Strange but true!
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coolhandluke74
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7/4/2009 8:42 AM
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I just want to point out that, regardless of the current mortality rate stats, CPR, in certain scenarios, can save lives - and can save many lives.
I imagine as more hospitals adopt this dr's technique, you will see that rate go up.
So learn it and use it if you find yourself in that situation! I know someone who survived a heart attack due to a stranger's knowledge of CPR. It can save lives!!
Kinda hits home for me, i used to have PSVT till i got a cardiac ablation
me, too, CHL...I have atrial fibrillation...controlled with meds for now...this post has been favorited for future reference...
Happy 4th of July!!! Quoting: refugee13
Happy 4th
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Phennommennonn
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7/4/2009 8:47 AM
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remember when they were saying if you go into cardiac arrest to 'cough'?
hows someone in arrest gonna remember to do that? and was it ever proven to work?
Last Edited by Phennommennonn on 7/4/2009 at 8:47 AM
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Anonymous Coward
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7/4/2009 8:47 AM | | Re: Few survive cardiac arrest, even with CPR | Quote |
I believe they changed the way CPR is done. Instead of doing mouth-to-mouth and chest compressions, it's now just 100 compressions/min.
Apparently the chest compressions adequately ventilate the lungs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 695998
nelly the elephant packed her trunk and said goodbye to the circus off she went with a trumpety trump trump trump trump.
100 a minute if you follow that :) |
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Anonymous Coward
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7/4/2009 8:48 AM | | Re: Few survive cardiac arrest, even with CPR | Quote |
Red pepper works too i have heard
I'll check with my in-home expert, the wife. She's always making me eat blueberries, strawberries and other fruits and veggies. Says it's good for the heart. Quoting: SubarcticBeef
QUIT eating all those burgers of poison red meat. I'm not kidding. They'll kill you. If you must eat meat, eat buffalo. |
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SubarcticBeef
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7/4/2009 8:48 AM
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remember when they were saying if you go into cardiac arrest to 'cough'?
hows someone in arrest gonna remember to do that? and was it ever proven to work? Quoting: Phennommennonn
I hope I never have to find out.
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Phennommennonn
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7/4/2009 8:49 AM
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remember when they were saying if you go into cardiac arrest to 'cough'?
hows someone in arrest gonna remember to do that? and was it ever proven to work?
I hope I never have to find out. Quoting: SubarcticBeef
i have heart probs - and i never remember to try it.
Last Edited by Phennommennonn on 7/4/2009 at 8:50 AM
~Galatians 4:16
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
~“In the Communist world, we see failure, technological backwardness, declining standards of health, even want of the most basic kind -- too little food. Even today, the Soviet Union still cannot feed itself. . . . East and West do not distrust each other because we are armed; we are armed because we distrust each other. And our differences are not about weapons but about liberty. . . . The most fundamental distinction of all between East and West is that the totalitarian world produces backwardness because it does such violence to the spirit, thwarting the human impulse to create, to enjoy, to worship. The totalitarian world finds even symbols of love and of worship an affront.” Ronald Reagan
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SubarcticBeef
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7/4/2009 8:52 AM
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Red pepper works too i have heard
I'll check with my in-home expert, the wife. She's always making me eat blueberries, strawberries and other fruits and veggies. Says it's good for the heart.
QUIT eating all those burgers of poison red meat. I'm not kidding. They'll kill you. If you must eat meat, eat buffalo. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 710385
Tell that to my aunts and uncles who are in their 90s and still fire up the grill every weekend. Some people can tolerate it better than others.
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refugee13
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7/4/2009 8:52 AM
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remember when they were saying if you go into cardiac arrest to 'cough'?
hows someone in arrest gonna remember to do that? and was it ever proven to work? Quoting: Phennommennonn
funny you mentioned that...one of the doctos that misdiagnosed me as having panic attacks told me when the palpitations came to cough...it didn't work for me...
"Livin' The Dream..."
"Don't believe in anyone, 'cos they'll feel you so much more"
"So break me down if it makes you feel right~and hate me now if it keeps you alright~you can't break me down if it takes all your might~cause I'm so much more than meets the eye..."
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SubarcticBeef
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7/4/2009 8:53 AM
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remember when they were saying if you go into cardiac arrest to 'cough'?
hows someone in arrest gonna remember to do that? and was it ever proven to work?
I hope I never have to find out.
i have heart probs - and i never remember to try it. Quoting: Phennommennonn
You're too pretty to have heart problems. Knock it off!
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refugee13
"oh well, whatever, nevermind..."
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7/4/2009 8:53 AM
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Red pepper works too i have heard
I'll check with my in-home expert, the wife. She's always making me eat blueberries, strawberries and other fruits and veggies. Says it's good for the heart.
QUIT eating all those burgers of poison red meat. I'm not kidding. They'll kill you. If you must eat meat, eat buffalo. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 710385
But the air that I am breathing is perfectly fine, huh???
Last Edited by refugee13 on 7/4/2009 at 8:58 AM
"Livin' The Dream..."
"Don't believe in anyone, 'cos they'll feel you so much more"
"So break me down if it makes you feel right~and hate me now if it keeps you alright~you can't break me down if it takes all your might~cause I'm so much more than meets the eye..."
"Some people would bitch if their ice cream was cold..."
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coolhandluke74
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7/4/2009 8:55 AM
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Coughing or bearing down will stop a rapid heart rate most of the time.
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