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What Was The Purpose of the Nazi Bell (Die Glocke)?

 
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Why was it given the highest classification of all Nazi research projects "Decisive for the War"?
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Have you read "The SS Brotherhood of the Bell" by Joseph P. Farrell.
It is like Telsa Technology and supposed to be something to akin of how a UFO might work. Just turning to a page in the book (although I have not looked at it lately) and this was what was going on at the end of WWII with the Nazis and them supposedly going to S. America to try and still do this work, I guess, but out of the book:

"1. Bearden on the State of Electromagnetic, or Electrodynamic Theory, and the Elements of Scalar, or Quantum Potential, Physics.
a. Classical Electromagnetic Theory as a Perpetual Motion Machine

According to Bearden, contemporary theoretical and experimental physics has been on the wrong track since at least the nineteenth century since Heaviside editted the brilliant work of James Clark Maxwell in unifying the magnetic and electric fields. in fact, physics has been so wrong that electromagnetic theory itself is the single best example of a fundamental violation of one of the foundational laws of physics: the conservation of energy. This is because, unbelievably, standard electromagnetic theory, as it is taught to this day in universities in the West, has no solid explanatino fro the origin of electric charge in two of the most fundamental particles in nuclear physics and quantum mechanics: the proton, and the electron:
Let us put it bluntly: Every charge in the universe already freely and continuously pours out (electromagnetic) energy in (threee dimensional space) in all directions, without any observable energy input. That is the well-concealed source charge problem, known but ignored by the leaders of the scientific community for a century. All (elelctromagnetic) fields and potentials and their energy come from those source charges, according to electrodynamics itself."

page 207-208 in the book "The SS Brotherhood of the Bell".

Now all of this has to do with the secret government, the fact that we had german scientists after WWII, but some where supposedly still working with others down in S. America - I think Argentina about this type of Telsa Energy, like what he did with scalar whatever it is type energy - you know lightning bolts, sending electricity like he did with his towers and whatever else, which also is suppose to be the basis for how say a UFO might work to travel large distances between the stars. That there is a branch of Government within the Government where those black projects are coming from and what kind of phyics it actually deals with. Instead of the mainstream physics, all scientists for the most part have been working on since all of this quantum theory and the Theory of Everything (in physics) has been doing since around - 1930 or so. Of course I think Telsa was just before that like Maxwell, but if you read Hyperspace by Dr. Kaku, then you would know that unifying the basic fundatmental forces in physics is what they are trying to do (I guess - someday) which lately has led to string theory or superstring theory.

Well, all that can be read as to all of that stuff, because to some people that is how far advanced the nazis were trying to be by the end of the war - all that quantum theory stuff in physics.
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The fact that there is a secret branch or something or other in the government that leads up these secret special black book projects which inherently go back to what the nazis where doing at the end of WWII and supposedly a few afterwards moving to S. America - I think Argentina- the Bell is the device made to study these longitudal waves of energy that follow scalar properties and not the normal way science thinks as the mainstream science does nowadays. Thrown off track to keep their secret black ops projects going.

Ah, there are a few holes to me in any of what is stated or surmised or guessed at with any of those books.
Fun reading I guess, but a lot of assumptions on their part. Although there is a Polish person I think that has also written about some of this, and now the language has been translated which ties in to all of this so-called goings on since WWII and the end of WWII, it has to do with UFO's, propulsion systems of such UFO's and all of that stuff. Secret death ray weapons such as might be done with Telsa Technology and any of that stuff.
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The aim of this study was to investigate the influence of extremely low-frequency electromagnetic fields (ELF-EMFs) on mast cells (MCs), parafollicular cells, and nerve fibers in rat skin and thyroid gland. The experiment was performed on 24 2-month-old Wistar male rats exposed for 4h a day, 7 days a week for 1 month to EMFs (50 Hz, 100-300 microT, 54-160 V/m). After sacrifice, samples of skin and thyroid were processed for indirect immunohistochemistry or toluidine blue staining and then were analyzed using the methods of stereology. The antibody markers to serotonin, substance P, calcitonin gene-related peptide (CGRP), and protein gene product 9.5 (PGP) were applied to skin sections and PGP, CGRP, and neuropeptide Y (NPY) markers to the thyroid. A significantly increased number of serotonin-positive MCs in the skin and NPY-containing nerve fibers in the thyroid of rats exposed to ELF-EMF was found compared to controls, indicating a possible EMF effect on skin and thyroid vasculature.
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It is a lot of reading and looking into for all the info about it, and I think what you had up there in the thread starting post was another book by this Joseph Farrell, and I think he has 3 or 4 books or something like that altogther.
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Or I guess by any other author of a book about all of this "how to power a UFO" type energy, and its uses about longtitudional wave energy, or even perhaps zero point free energy, or how to develop weapons of that kind or power a UFO or anything like that, or what makes the UFO's move through spacetime and how it is all looked and studied.
Maxwell Equations are akin to Einstein's General Relativity and Special Relativity and quantum physics with energy and where those branches of science differ and what is thought leading back to the early 20th Century (1900's) scientists and like Telsa Energy and any of that.
Scalar energy, math, longitutional waves of energy, it affects and the Nazis where still working to be underground and the re-emergence of the fourth reich of the Nazis and other people actually helping for the gains in science along those routes while denying it or claiming not to be that and all those black ops special projects and any of that part of the conspiracy goings on and secrets, I guess.
Others may be more knowledgeable about any of that with other posters.
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I recently heard that Nick Cook's analysis of the Nazi "bell" program was way off, that the structure at Ludwigsdorf isn't a saucer test facility but some mundane industrial competent for electrical generators or something and was familiar to people living there during the time.
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Re: What Was The Purpose of the Nazi Bell (Die Glocke)?
I'm considering the possibility that Die Glocke was a doomsday weapon.
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Why was it given the highest classification of all Nazi research projects "Decisive for the War"?
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Re: What Was The Purpose of the Nazi Bell (Die Glocke)?
Are you saying the bell was a device used to test EMF effects on its occupants?
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Why was it given the highest classification of all Nazi research projects "Decisive for the War"?
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I think this will help you ...

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Re: What Was The Purpose of the Nazi Bell (Die Glocke)?
Yes, I suppose you could say that it is kind of a Doomsday weapon. It used DC power though and not AC power to run it. It was still the Bell device to study those Electromagnetic waves and longitudional waves of energy and harness that kind of energy. I suppose a bolt of lightning coming at you would make you think it was doomsday.
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Why was it given the highest classification of all Nazi research projects "Decisive for the War"?



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Here's the difficulty I have with concluding that it was an antigravity project. The VRIL craft were already flying in the 1930s and the principles of antigravity had apparently been mastered long before the Bell experiments. Thus, it would make little sense to conduct such isolated research on a principle that apparently had already been well understood and applied.

At one point I considered that it might be a tunneling device which would be tranported to the New Berlin base in antarctica to core out the inside of a mountain where the Nazis had relocated their secret saucer base located in the Muhlig-Hoffman moutains in Qeen Maud Land.

Other possibilites I have considered are a scalar earthquake machine. I remember as a child reading the adventures of Tom Swift, and one book, Tom Swift and the Visitor from Planet X, which I believed had such an earthquake machine. It seems the Tom Swift series were based on facts to a certain degree. For, example, Tom Wift in the Caves of Nuclear Fire, was based on the African natrual river by natural precipitation of uranium from a river which accumulated enough fissionable material to go critical.

I have also considered tongue in cheek that Die Glocke might have been a time machine in which Hitler was encapsulated to re-emerge at the appropraite time to lead a Fourth Reich. But a doomsday weapon capable of creating a black hole capable of swallowing the earth would certainly be a tremendous bargaining chip with the allies to secure the free travel of the Nazis to parts unknown, although Farrell thinks that the secret treaty was based upon the U235 and infrared triggers which were used in the atom bombs dropped Hiroshima and Nagasaki "captured" by the allies on U Boat 234 which is certainly a credible thesis. This would place the Nazis in a blackmail position to reveal the information that the allies let them walk and got the nuke material to kill all those Japanese from them.
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The aim of this study was to investigate the influence of extremely low-frequency electromagnetic fields (ELF-EMFs) on mast cells (MCs), parafollicular cells, and nerve fibers in rat skin and thyroid gland. The experiment was performed on 24 2-month-old Wistar male rats exposed for 4h a day, 7 days a week for 1 month to EMFs (50 Hz, 100-300 microT, 54-160 V/m). After sacrifice, samples of skin and thyroid were processed for indirect immunohistochemistry or toluidine blue staining and then were analyzed using the methods of stereology. The antibody markers to serotonin, substance P, calcitonin gene-related peptide (CGRP), and protein gene product 9.5 (PGP) were applied to skin sections and PGP, CGRP, and neuropeptide Y (NPY) markers to the thyroid. A significantly increased number of serotonin-positive MCs in the skin and NPY-containing nerve fibers in the thyroid of rats exposed to ELF-EMF was found compared to controls, indicating a possible EMF effect on skin and thyroid vasculature.
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The question I would have would be, why would such research be considered "Decisive for the War."
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Out of curiosity I looked up the book Tom Swift and the Visitor from Planet X and the thing on the cover does look sort of like the Nazi Bell.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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The type of weapons created from this technology would be "Decisive" for any war. Just like the rockets hitting England and the V2 rocket and the delivery system of technology that other Nations could not stop. If you have the capabilities of say like a UFO powered device, the delivery system, then you can strike so fast and so fearful that they could not develop a counter-defense in time to stop such technology, let alone say - earthquakes type activity or anything of that nature.
There would not have been a defense for such an advancement in technology, I guess.

page 270 of that book: "The SS Brotherhood of the Bell" states:

While the Bell demonstrably fulfills, in so many different ways, the paradigms of the alternative physics examined in this and in the previous chapters, there can be no doubt that the Germans working on it, led by Gerlach, whise brilliant student Hilgenberg outlined the emerging vortex theory, were interested not only in the propulsive uses of their new physics and technology, but also in its benign and malign uses as energy suppliers, and ultimately, weapons of horrendous power. it was a prototype "scalar" device for a new and "unified physics," and it can not be doubted for a moment that the Nazis knew the full potential - both for massively creative good and for massively destructive evil - of what they held in their hands. The fact that the Bell and its master - Kammler - disappeared entirely after the war, the fat that Gerlach's diaries - which doubtless contained much information o the subject - remain classified to this day, the fact that it and it alone, beyond even the Third Reich's fuel air bombs, Sarin gas, and atom bombs, was classified "decisive for the war" is testimony enough that they were "working in areas of physics that were monstrous, on a daily basis."

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I guess that we still here in the Western Civilization still do not know even to this day all that much about that technology. That is 60-70 years later from the nazis at the end of WWII.
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If there is anything like that, then it is what the rumor-mill is about, and all the secret black ops projects, UFO powering, and all those stories that some people claim from area 51 and all of that stuff on top of that. Reverse-engineering UFO crashes, coverup, denial and Disclosure of any of that project type govmit stuff.

What other people claim either being a little on the inside or rumors (??)
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Perhaps the dropping of the Kecksburg bell in 1965 was a not so subtle reminder that the Nazis still possessed the capability to destroy the earth in a black hole created by the Bell vortex. Certainly not something the US government would want the populace to know - that they were paying tribute to and taking orders from the Nazis whom they foolishly allowed to escape under a secret treaty and separate peace agreement.
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Well, that is all part of it. And like I stated I am not up on all of that stuff, but I do know, that all we had in WWII was prop planes and the atom bomb at the end. Radar yes, but Russia did not even have that at the start of WWII, and I am not even sure about if they had radar by the end of WWII. That is why they lost 2 million men to the Germans during WWII, they were kind of backwards at the start, not even radio if that.

So if the Nazis could of built this stuff, it would have been decisive that they could have won the WWII. But, any speculation about separate peace treaties and anything else I do not know about. All I know is that it was German scientists who built the rockets and space program for the most part after and I repeat, after, WWII. There was none of that during WWII. No jet engines, no rockets, no technology of that kind, and veriable an atom bomb, that was almost built by the Nazis first.

This is kind of like hindsight by the authors of these books, and then the rumor-mill of present day govmit activities concerning area 51 and whatever technology they may have up to this day.

All I can do is read a little about it, and there is still only the 24 hour day, and it is not an obsession finding out about this stuff by me. I have other things to consider, like other technology like computers and such, and only reading about what opinions other authors like Dr. Joseph Farrell think about any of it.
I have no idea after that about any of it.
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Here's my answer to your question:

It wasn't given this classification as the Bell didn't exist. There is absolutely no evidence for its existence, and it was never mentioned by anyone until Igor Witkowski self-published the tale, which then received much greater exposure when Nick Cook related it in his "The Hunt for Zero Point".
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The bell is clearly a time travel device.
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When I first read "The Hunt for Zero Point" - which I enjoyed immensely - I was most fascinated of all by the story of the Bell (Die Glocke) to the point that it became something of an obsession for me. I really thought it was the Holy Grail of all conspiracy theorist, something verifiable that proved the Nazis had really exotic technology, and that this could be linked to anti-gravity, time-travel, space-flight etc.

I devoted myself to looking into this, and was horribly disappointed. There really is not a shred of actual evidence this project ever existed, beyond Igor Witkowski's word for it.

I am one of the few people who has purchased and read Witkowski's book "The Truth about the Wunderwaffe". Please ignore every other writer on Die Glocke if they haven't done so - it is the original source in the English language for information about this supposed project. if they are too lazy or mean to have acquired this book, they are merely passing on secondhand stuff they've picked up from Nick Cook's book, or thirdhand stuff from people repeating and embellisihing Cook's claims.

When I looked into this, and I also had Witkowski's Polish writings translated into English, I discovered there is, tragically, no story here. he claims to have seen secret documents that no-one else has ever seen, blah, blah, blah.

Another researcher who went even further than me, visited the site of "Die Glocke's" supposed location and came up with this devastating report:

[link to www.bielek-debunked.com]
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Here's my answer to your question:

It wasn't given this classification as the Bell didn't exist. There is absolutely no evidence for its existence, and it was never mentioned by anyone until Igor Witkowski self-published the tale, which then received much greater exposure when Nick Cook related it in his "The Hunt for Zero Point".
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Then what landed in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania in 1965 that resembled an acorn (bell shape), but had hieroglyphics painted on it?
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It dealt with ELF waves.
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Re: What Was The Purpose of the Nazi Bell (Die Glocke)?
Here's my answer to your question:

It wasn't given this classification as the Bell didn't exist. There is absolutely no evidence for its existence, and it was never mentioned by anyone until Igor Witkowski self-published the tale, which then received much greater exposure when Nick Cook related it in his "The Hunt for Zero Point".




Then what landed in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania in 1965 that resembled an acorn (bell shape), but had hieroglyphics painted on it?
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i don't know, not being an expert on Kecksburg, but, whatever it was, it wasn't the Nazi Bell, because that never existed.
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Cod:waw Nazi zombies ;) :Idol1:
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Re: What Was The Purpose of the Nazi Bell (Die Glocke)?
It was built in a former coal mine very close to Thorium and Uranium Mines. One of the scientists involved was Dr Hans Eiwald of Manfred von Ardenne's plasma research laboratories.

The Nazi bell was surrounded by a Tokomak torroidal magnet. It involved the spinning of mercury inside the Bell, but with various compounds including beryllium at the centre.

Under influence of the powerful electo-magnetic field around the bell the mercury would have fluoresced ions which in turn would have excited the beryllium. Had there been Radium present too perhaps with or without some other elements like Polonium it is conceivable the Beryllium donated neutrons to Radium 232 and been converted to Uranium 233.

Several wartime patents for a German atomic weapon referred to uranium 233 as the fissile mass.

In effect it sound like the deuteron beam project at Cranfield UK. This too has to be housed underground because of the fatal Gamma rays emitted when in operation.

This is an explanation far more plausible than anti-gravity projects. It also fits the known facts.

The only source about the wartime Nazi Bell was Sporenberg's testimony in his war crimes trial. Scientist Ronald richter recreated the Bell in Argentina in 1950. Karl Wirtz visited the site, but several US scientists were involved in dismantling the Argentine Nazi Bell in 1952.

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would be interesting

there is another 'bell' that is the base of a water tower.

where else did they keep the water.
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That no doubt would be the intellectual contribution of a certain RAMjb from another website which can't tolerate any opinions than it's own.

Tiresome when people wont research the facts and heckle others who do.
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It dealt with ELF waves.
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yes....yes it did....

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