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FACT: 10% UNEMPLOYMENT = 90% of People HAVE JOBS!
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717043
7/4/2009 2:08 PM | | Re: FACT: 10% UNEMPLOYMENT = 90% of People HAVE JOBS! | Quote |
Ah let's see, 10% unemployed, 30% living off their savings and off the radar, 40% working for the government, that leaves what, 20% with actual jobs? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 718108
7/4/2009 2:09 PM | | Re: FACT: 10% UNEMPLOYMENT = 90% of People HAVE JOBS! | Quote |
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NoMoreCages
User ID: 694401
7/4/2009 2:10 PM
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Ah let's see, 10% unemployed, 30% living off their savings and off the radar, 40% working for the government, that leaves what, 20% with actual jobs? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717043
You actually believe that only 20% have actual jobs?
Get out of the basement more, and watch the real world, trevor.
"The question is not, can they reason? Nor, can they talk? But can they suffer?" - Bentham |
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AlreadyBuggedOut
User ID: 716206
7/4/2009 2:12 PM
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9 out of 10 people still have a job.
Doesn't sound so bad now, eh? Quoting: NoMoreCages
Officially 9 out of 10 of the labor force has some kind of work -- the quality of jobs is deteriorating. Furthermore, the labor force is shrinking since the unemployed instead of getting work are dropping off the radar out of the labor force. Look at absolute numbers instead of percentages -- you'll get a better picture...
Last Edited by AlreadyBuggedOut on 7/4/2009 at 2:12 PM |
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Cranky
User ID: 586322
7/4/2009 2:13 PM
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9 out of 10 people still have a job.
Doesn't sound so bad now, eh?
How many are too young to work and so then are dependent on...?
How many are too old or retired or to sick and so are dependent on...?
How many fell of the rolls of unemployment so are no longer counted...?
I don't know.
let's say it's 20% unemployemnt...80% STILL HAVE JOBS. Quoting: NoMoreCages
There are roughly 350,000,000 people in the USA. What portion of them are under 18 and over 65???? They are all unemployed!
Of those 350,000,000 how many are here illegally or are on a WORK VISA? If 30,000,000 are counted as working as labor like landscaping how does that affect the RAW percentage that you now thing is 80% when in the beginning you thought was 90%?
Collect unemployment till the end and they send you a survey card that reads, "Tell us how you found your new job?" Clearly as far as the State is concerned you are working again even though you are in your mom's basement!
What is the unemployment threshold that when crossed automatically moves us from a recession to a depression? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 671963
7/4/2009 2:13 PM | | Re: FACT: 10% UNEMPLOYMENT = 90% of People HAVE JOBS! | Quote |
My ex-husband was just laid off, in an industry that supposedly is untouchable. He is a social worker for the mentally retarded. In addition to this layoff, the money is simply not there for the patients...
He is applying at Walmart. OP needs to learn. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 718111
7/4/2009 2:14 PM | | Re: FACT: 10% UNEMPLOYMENT = 90% of People HAVE JOBS! | Quote |
Ah let's see, 10% unemployed, 30% living off their savings and off the radar, 40% working for the government, that leaves what, 20% with actual jobs?
You actually believe that only 20% have actual jobs?
Get out of the basement more, and watch the real world, trevor. |
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AlreadyBuggedOut
User ID: 716206
7/4/2009 2:14 PM
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Ah let's see, 10% unemployed, 30% living off their savings and off the radar, 40% working for the government, that leaves what, 20% with actual jobs?
You actually believe that only 20% have actual jobs?
Get out of the basement more, and watch the real world, trevor.
No I think you are minimizing the effect of the Depression on people's opportunities and disposible income... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717043
7/4/2009 2:14 PM | | Re: FACT: 10% UNEMPLOYMENT = 90% of People HAVE JOBS! | Quote |
Ah let's see, 10% unemployed, 30% living off their savings and off the radar, 40% working for the government, that leaves what, 20% with actual jobs?
You actually believe that only 20% have actual jobs?
Get out of the basement more, and watch the real world, trevor.
You call working for the government a job? Ya stupid ass kid, Obama boot licker. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 692844
7/4/2009 2:16 PM | | Re: FACT: 10% UNEMPLOYMENT = 90% of People HAVE JOBS! | Quote |
9 out of 10 people still have a job.
Doesn't sound so bad now, eh? Quoting: NoMoreCages
Try 16% unemployment, figures aren't counting those that gave up trying to find a job and those who were working full-time and then had to go to working part-time. |
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NoMoreCages
User ID: 694401
7/4/2009 2:16 PM
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9 out of 10 people still have a job.
Doesn't sound so bad now, eh?
How many are too young to work and so then are dependent on...?
How many are too old or retired or to sick and so are dependent on...?
How many fell of the rolls of unemployment so are no longer counted...?
I don't know.
let's say it's 20% unemployemnt...80% STILL HAVE JOBS.
There are roughly 350,000,000 people in the USA. What portion of them are under 18 and over 65???? They are all unemployed!
Of those 350,000,000 how many are here illegally or are on a WORK VISA? If 30,000,000 are counted as working as labor like landscaping how does that affect the RAW percentage that you now thing is 80% when in the beginning you thought was 90%?
Collect unemployment till the end and they send you a survey card that reads, "Tell us how you found your new job?" Clearly as far as the State is concerned you are working again even though you are in your mom's basement!
What is the unemployment threshold that when crossed automatically moves us from a recession to a depression? Quoting: Cranky
You're seriously counting those over 65? Like my 94 y/o grandmother should be working according to you, right, otherwise she's unemployed? LOL!
Millions over 65 collect pensions, you idiot, and those under 18 are children. How stupid must you be, to try and include those people?
Besides there are just barely 300 million in the US...another fail on your part.
"The question is not, can they reason? Nor, can they talk? But can they suffer?" - Bentham |
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Mickeyblue
User ID: 330969
7/4/2009 2:16 PM | | Re: FACT: 10% UNEMPLOYMENT = 90% of People HAVE JOBS! | Quote |
Unemployment figures, aalso do not show all the people who work off of commission who do not collect unemployment
It does not reflect on all the jobs wheerein this drastically affected economy reduces your income because there is no business, realtors,self employed professionals in the dentistry or veterinary fields who show massive declines in their professional services.
What is your point that things are not bad?
What you are a witness to is the greatest theft in all of history and you dismiss this with barely a nod. This affects 100% of all of us, altering completely our very way of life, forever.
You, sir, apparently are clueless. |
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AlreadyBuggedOut
User ID: 716206
7/4/2009 2:17 PM
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You call working for the government a job? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717043
Yes. It pays the bills. |
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NoMoreCages
User ID: 694401
7/4/2009 2:18 PM
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Ah let's see, 10% unemployed, 30% living off their savings and off the radar, 40% working for the government, that leaves what, 20% with actual jobs?
You actually believe that only 20% have actual jobs?
Get out of the basement more, and watch the real world, trevor.
You call working for the government a job? Ya stupid ass kid, Obama boot licker.
police, fire, teachers....not jobs? don't they all pay into the same system private workers do?
I hate Obama, and 99% of all politicians...owned again, son.
"The question is not, can they reason? Nor, can they talk? But can they suffer?" - Bentham |
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Mickeyblue
User ID: 330969
7/4/2009 2:20 PM | | Re: FACT: 10% UNEMPLOYMENT = 90% of People HAVE JOBS! | Quote |
Sorry I know many people who work many years past 65, that is a meaningless number.
My father worked in his 80s and most 'retired' people have to work at something. Go to your local Wal-Mart,Sam's or Costco and they are people who are in this age bracket. |
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Cranky
User ID: 586322
7/4/2009 2:21 PM
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9 out of 10 people still have a job.
Doesn't sound so bad now, eh?
How many are too young to work and so then are dependent on...?
How many are too old or retired or to sick and so are dependent on...?
How many fell of the rolls of unemployment so are no longer counted...?
I don't know.
let's say it's 20% unemployemnt...80% STILL HAVE JOBS.
There are roughly 350,000,000 people in the USA. What portion of them are under 18 and over 65???? They are all unemployed!
Of those 350,000,000 how many are here illegally or are on a WORK VISA? If 30,000,000 are counted as working as labor like landscaping how does that affect the RAW percentage that you now thing is 80% when in the beginning you thought was 90%?
Collect unemployment till the end and they send you a survey card that reads, "Tell us how you found your new job?" Clearly as far as the State is concerned you are working again even though you are in your mom's basement!
What is the unemployment threshold that when crossed automatically moves us from a recession to a depression?
You're seriously counting those over 65? Like my 94 y/o grandmother should be working according to you, right, otherwise she's unemployed? LOL!
Millions over 65 collect pensions, you idiot, and those under 18 are children. How stupid must you be, to try and include those people?
Besides there are just barely 300 million in the US...another fail on your part. Quoting: NoMoreCages
You are one of the most ignorant people I have come across on GLP. Good luck to you! |
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ANNONYMOUS
User ID: 661006
7/4/2009 2:22 PM | | Re: FACT: 10% UNEMPLOYMENT = 90% of People HAVE JOBS! | Quote |
NMC is correct in that if 10% are unemployed then 90% must still be employed. He is doing nothing more than using the concept of percentage. If all the people who were employed =100% and now 10% are unemployed (100 - 10=90) 90% must still be employed. He is not arguing statistics he is simply stating a mathematical fact. Those of you who contend the percentage of unemp is 25% that is fine he is just saying then that theoretically 75% are still employed which is mathematically correct. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 716632
7/4/2009 2:26 PM | | Re: FACT: 10% UNEMPLOYMENT = 90% of People HAVE JOBS! | Quote |
Except that in a country of 300 million that's 30 million people mostly with famillies, that don't have an income.
WRONG!
All 300 million aren't in the pool of qualified workers...however, you knew that, you're just being a jackass. Quoting: NoMoreCages
Do you actually the published government numbers? If you do you need to look this company up
Beach front properties, inc.
North platte, Nebraska
we stack them deep and sell them cheap! |
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NoMoreCages
User ID: 694401
7/4/2009 2:27 PM
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Sorry I know many people who work many years past 65, that is a meaningless number.
My father worked in his 80s and most 'retired' people have to work at something. Go to your local Wal-Mart,Sam's or Costco and they are people who are in this age bracket. Quoting: Mickeyblue 330969
MOST over 65 DO NOT WORK, dipshit.
Just because you know a few that do, doesn't not mean MOST DO.
"The question is not, can they reason? Nor, can they talk? But can they suffer?" - Bentham |
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AlreadyBuggedOut
User ID: 716206
7/4/2009 2:27 PM
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If you count those between 18 and 65 at 220 million as the labor force, and employment at 140 million, you have (1 - 140/220) = 36% abled bodied adults without work. |
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NoMoreCages
User ID: 694401
7/4/2009 2:29 PM
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9 out of 10 people still have a job.
Doesn't sound so bad now, eh?
How many are too young to work and so then are dependent on...?
How many are too old or retired or to sick and so are dependent on...?
How many fell of the rolls of unemployment so are no longer counted...?
I don't know.
let's say it's 20% unemployemnt...80% STILL HAVE JOBS.
There are roughly 350,000,000 people in the USA. What portion of them are under 18 and over 65???? They are all unemployed!
Of those 350,000,000 how many are here illegally or are on a WORK VISA? If 30,000,000 are counted as working as labor like landscaping how does that affect the RAW percentage that you now thing is 80% when in the beginning you thought was 90%?
Collect unemployment till the end and they send you a survey card that reads, "Tell us how you found your new job?" Clearly as far as the State is concerned you are working again even though you are in your mom's basement!
What is the unemployment threshold that when crossed automatically moves us from a recession to a depression?
You're seriously counting those over 65? Like my 94 y/o grandmother should be working according to you, right, otherwise she's unemployed? LOL!
Millions over 65 collect pensions, you idiot, and those under 18 are children. How stupid must you be, to try and include those people?
Besides there are just barely 300 million in the US...another fail on your part.
You are one of the most ignorant people I have come across on GLP. Good luck to you!
Nice retort. Do you any facts to back up your shitty, ignorant, post?
You say there are '350 million' in the US, and you call me 'ignorant'?? LOL!! Quoting: Cranky
"The question is not, can they reason? Nor, can they talk? But can they suffer?" - Bentham |
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Edward Kelly 
User ID: 715156
7/4/2009 2:30 PM
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Wrong
Your facts are way off, keep looking though.
If there is 10% unemployment there is 90% employment...how hard is that to understand, dumbass? Quoting: NoMoreCages
The real unemployment rate, using the methods of measurement used during the 1930's, is closer to 17%. My own belief is that during the Great Depression the unemployment figures, as a whole, were higher than the oft quoted 25%. So it's no where near the unemployment rate of the 30's.
However...
In 2007 household wealth was well over $60 trillion. Since then, savings has increased about $6 trillion, while household wealth decreased by almost $14 trillion.
Let me repeat the loss... $14 trillion. This will take years to recover (decades perhaps). This is not a recession. This is a global depression. It will get worse before we can ever hope of improvements. |
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NoMoreCages
User ID: 694401
7/4/2009 2:30 PM
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NMC is correct in that if 10% are unemployed then 90% must still be employed. He is doing nothing more than using the concept of percentage. If all the people who were employed =100% and now 10% are unemployed (100 - 10=90) 90% must still be employed. He is not arguing statistics he is simply stating a mathematical fact. Those of you who contend the percentage of unemp is 25% that is fine he is just saying then that theoretically 75% are still employed which is mathematically correct. Quoting: ANNONYMOUS 661006
Thank you.
Finally someone with basic math skills in this thread.
The paranoid delusionals in this thread think I'm attacking them for posting a simple math problem.
"The question is not, can they reason? Nor, can they talk? But can they suffer?" - Bentham |
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NoMoreCages
User ID: 694401
7/4/2009 2:31 PM
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If you count those between 18 and 65 at 220 million as the labor force, and employment at 140 million, you have (1 - 140/220) = 36% abled bodied adults without work. Quoting: AlreadyBuggedOut
link?
"The question is not, can they reason? Nor, can they talk? But can they suffer?" - Bentham |
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Bob
User ID: 673258
7/4/2009 2:31 PM | | Re: FACT: 10% UNEMPLOYMENT = 90% of People HAVE JOBS! | Quote |
keep in mind that over 10% of the population is black, and close to 15% is mexican.
that would explain your high unemployment numbers... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 596265
Ooo... SNAP!
The prophets had it wrong. The end is past and we didn't even blink. |
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Bob
User ID: 673258
7/4/2009 2:33 PM | | Re: FACT: 10% UNEMPLOYMENT = 90% of People HAVE JOBS! | Quote |
The paranoid delusionals in this thread think I'm attacking them for posting a simple math problem. Quoting: NoMoreCages
No. We're attacking you because there is nothing more fun then finding a trite error in someone's logic and burying them with it.
The prophets had it wrong. The end is past and we didn't even blink. |
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AlreadyBuggedOut
User ID: 716206
7/4/2009 2:33 PM
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If you count those between 18 and 65 at 220 million as the labor force, and employment at 140 million, you have (1 - 140/220) = 36% abled bodied adults without work.
link? Quoting: NoMoreCages
[link to quickfacts.census.gov]
[link to www.bls.gov]
The demographic data is in the first link, the employment data is in the second. The 36% number is a mathematical calculation, it doent lie... |
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Cranky
User ID: 586322
7/4/2009 2:36 PM
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If the over 65 demographic or under 18 demographic does not interest you it should. They are DEPENDANT and the social security system relies on payroll deductions. What portion of the USA falls into the combination of these two groups?
Over 65 = 19%
Under 18 = 25%
Combined = 44% of US Citizens are dependent upon the other 56% so as the dependant % rises the EMPLOYED % falls.
14% Unemployment is the DEPRESSION THRESHOLD, ask any economist. This is basic so when you add the 30,000,000 illegal aliens to the mix more Americans wind up on the DEPENDANT side. After so many months of collecting UNEMPLOYMENT if you resort to moving back home to mom and dad the system is unable to account for you. Hence the statistics are all slanted and show a lower rate of unemployment than there actually is. |
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Bob
User ID: 673258
7/4/2009 2:38 PM | | Re: FACT: 10% UNEMPLOYMENT = 90% of People HAVE JOBS! | Quote |
If the over 65 demographic or under 18 demographic does not interest you it should. They are DEPENDANT and the social security system relies on payroll deductions. What portion of the USA falls into the combination of these two groups?
Over 65 = 19%
Under 18 = 25%
Combined = 44% of US Citizens are dependent upon the other 56% so as the dependant % rises the EMPLOYED % falls.
14% Unemployment is the DEPRESSION THRESHOLD, ask any economist. This is basic so when you add the 30,000,000 illegal aliens to the mix more Americans wind up on the DEPENDANT side. After so many months of collecting UNEMPLOYMENT if you resort to moving back home to mom and dad the system is unable to account for you. Hence the statistics are all slanted and show a lower rate of unemployment than there actually is. Quoting: Cranky
We should kill the over 65 and under 18. They contribute nothing to society.
The prophets had it wrong. The end is past and we didn't even blink. |
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NoMoreCages
User ID: 694401
7/4/2009 2:38 PM
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If you count those between 18 and 65 at 220 million as the labor force, and employment at 140 million, you have (1 - 140/220) = 36% abled bodied adults without work.
link?
[ link to quickfacts.census.gov]
[ link to www.bls.gov]
The demographic data is in the first link, the employment data is in the second. The 36% number is a mathematical calculation, it doent lie...
However, you can't say that all 220 million are 'able-bodied'..not even close. What about the tens of millions of disabled people in that demo?
"The question is not, can they reason? Nor, can they talk? But can they suffer?" - Bentham |
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