'Saudis would let IAF jets fly over kingdom on Iran mission'
Figures...Saudis are Sunni Muslim while Iranians are Sheite Muslims. They hate each other....Blessed be Allah!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 718607 7/5/2009 9:21 AM
Re: BREAKING:'Saudis would let IAF jets fly over kingdom on Iran mission'.."GREEN LIGHT TO ATTACK IRAN"
So, no one thinks it is strange that Russia is allowing the U.S. to fly over their country all of a sudden and Saudi Arabia is allowing IAF to fly over their kingdom?
What are the implications of striking IRAN or N. Korea...each has ties and also with China...the oil pipline has vested interest by Russia. Palin stepping down after visiting soldiers in Kosovo and mumbling something about the constitution and said AUGUST...I am thinking crucial time here for numerous countries.
WHY do you think we have seen NUMEROUS and I mean NUMEROUS people resigning all over the world..in NUMEROUS countries? Why again did country after country after country send their navy to the coast off of Somolia? Many that wouldn't normally work TOGETHER.
STARGATE, Nuking the Moon, PX, Alien Invasion whether staged or real, something hitting the sun, SUN creates the Kill shot...comet hitting earth or simply THE BIGGEST war we have seen yet?
While I agree with you that something big is happening...I can't believe this point was missed.
"While Israel has no formal diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia, an Israeli source confirmed that the Mossad has "working relations" with the Saudis."
Now think 9/11.
Do you think we are seeing the preparation to another event such as 9/11 and possibly on a grander scale with numerous countries involved?
There is a lot of talk about nukes lately. Something is being staged and we the people are being set up again.
Quoting: Lunaticus Maximus
Anonymous Coward User ID: 718607 7/5/2009 9:24 AM
Re: BREAKING:'Saudis would let IAF jets fly over kingdom on Iran mission'.."GREEN LIGHT TO ATTACK IRAN"
There is a lot of talk about nukes lately. Something is being staged and we the people are being set up again.
Certainly seems that way. We could be looking at a ONE isolated event or something on such a coordinated world-wide scale that would have been unthinkable just a few years ago.
oh ....
don't worry.. Israel will save us all...
fear not..
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 475553
Anonymous Coward User ID: 657899 7/5/2009 9:39 AM
Re: BREAKING:'Saudis would let IAF jets fly over kingdom on Iran mission'.."GREEN LIGHT TO ATTACK IRAN"
WOW...so Saudis are allowing IAF to fly over kingdom and Russia is allowing the U.S. to fly over Russia?
Something doesn't seem right and I think GLPers of all people know it. IAF allowed to fly over Saudi Kingdom, U.S. allowed to fly over Russia (Palin resigns and says something about the constitution and mentions August after going to Kosovo), and essentially ALL NAVIES were going to Somolia at one point...I don't know what to make of it.
I would say it is simple, but it feels more complicated than that.
Quoting: Winningjob
What are the chances that the US and Isreal are being set up? I'm worried for the US.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 677992 7/5/2009 10:02 AM
Re: BREAKING:'Saudis would let IAF jets fly over kingdom on Iran mission'.."GREEN LIGHT TO ATTACK IRAN"
I think the Israelis have more to fear from their own government. I hear the Israel healthcare is awful.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 357856
Its official. I now know why democracy eventually fails. Its not just because of people like this, but the educated ones that can't take the complete insanity anymore end up taking themselves out. The only people left are the idoits to be ruled by thier popular dictators.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 718641 7/5/2009 10:09 AM
Re: BREAKING:'Saudis would let IAF jets fly over kingdom on Iran mission'.."GREEN LIGHT TO ATTACK IRAN"
I think the Israelis have more to fear from their own government. I hear the Israel healthcare is awful.
Oh really?
My husband was in the hospital for a MONTH.
Insurrance covered ALL OF IT.
WE paid not one extra shekel.
You got that in USA, you American, hypocritical
Israeli bashing Jew hater????
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718448
probably paid by American Tax payers money.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 718642 7/5/2009 10:10 AM
Re: BREAKING:'Saudis would let IAF jets fly over kingdom on Iran mission'.."GREEN LIGHT TO ATTACK IRAN"
I think the Israelis have more to fear from their own government. I hear the Israel healthcare is awful.
Oh really?
My husband was in the hospital for a MONTH.
Insurrance covered ALL OF IT.
WE paid not one extra shekel.
You got that in USA, you American, hypocritical
Israeli bashing Jew hater????
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718448
Sounds great. Im so happy American taxpayers have to give Israel 100s of billions of dollars for such luxuries when here in America , such a situation does not exist.
~GAIA~ I HATE mornings ... User ID: 718647 7/5/2009 10:20 AM
Re: BREAKING:'Saudis would let IAF jets fly over kingdom on Iran mission'.."GREEN LIGHT TO ATTACK IRAN"
Thanks for the pin! :) '..what can grow without rain..
..what can burn for years without burn...
..stone can grow without rain...
..and only love can burn for years without end...'
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 708096 7/5/2009 10:25 AM
Re: BREAKING:'Saudis would let IAF jets fly over kingdom on Iran mission'.."GREEN LIGHT TO ATTACK IRAN"
So, no one thinks it is strange that Russia is allowing the U.S. to fly over their country all of a sudden and Saudi Arabia is allowing IAF to fly over their kingdom?
What are the implications of striking IRAN or N. Korea...each has ties and also with China...the oil pipline has vested interest by Russia. Palin stepping down after visiting soldiers in Kosovo and mumbling something about the constitution and said AUGUST...I am thinking crucial time here for numerous countries.
WHY do you think we have seen NUMEROUS and I mean NUMEROUS people resigning all over the world..in NUMEROUS countries? Why again did country after country after country send their navy to the coast off of Somolia? Many that wouldn't normally work TOGETHER.
STARGATE, Nuking the Moon, PX, Alien Invasion whether staged or real, something hitting the sun, SUN creates the Kill shot...comet hitting earth or simply THE BIGGEST war we have seen yet?
While I agree with you that something big is happening...I can't believe this point was missed.
"While Israel has no formal diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia, an Israeli source confirmed that the Mossad has "working relations" with the Saudis."
Now think 9/11.
Do you think we are seeing the preparation to another event such as 9/11 and possibly on a grander scale with numerous countries involved?
There is a lot of talk about nukes lately. Something is being staged and we the people are being set up again.
Quoting: Winningjob
Winningjob...This DEFINATELY needs its own thread...excellent freeflow thought process!
Please start a thread on this so we can discuss this outside this age-old hate fest that this thread induces...
...I have no time for this threads religious BS if folks can't see past their skin color and fake religious doctrines.
THE TIME FOR THE AGENDA GRIND HAS COME!!!
~GAIA~ I HATE mornings ... User ID: 718647 7/5/2009 10:29 AM
Re: BREAKING:'Saudis would let IAF jets fly over kingdom on Iran mission'.."GREEN LIGHT TO ATTACK IRAN"
Hi friend!! '..what can grow without rain..
..what can burn for years without burn...
..stone can grow without rain...
..and only love can burn for years without end...'
WOW...so Saudis are allowing IAF to fly over kingdom and Russia is allowing the U.S. to fly over Russia?
Quoting: Winningjob
So far we have 2 hints already: subs from the Mediterranean and open skies over Saudi Arab.....
Last Edited by ~GAIA~ on 7/5/2009 at 10:33 AM '..what can grow without rain..
..what can burn for years without burn...
..stone can grow without rain...
..and only love can burn for years without end...'
:) Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.
~GAIA~ I HATE mornings ... User ID: 718647 7/5/2009 10:34 AM
Re: BREAKING:'Saudis would let IAF jets fly over kingdom on Iran mission'.."GREEN LIGHT TO ATTACK IRAN"
We were talking about the Saudi's yesterday on your Iran thread. Remember?
Quoting: tangelo
Yes I remember Tangelo....I thought about that when I first saw the article this morning....weird.... '..what can grow without rain..
..what can burn for years without burn...
..stone can grow without rain...
..and only love can burn for years without end...'
THE CURSE ON OUR WORLD IS THE MIDDLE EAST...ALL OF YOU.THE SOONER YOU ARE A GONE .THEN WE CAN HAVE PEACE,
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718615
stfu
thanks! '..what can grow without rain..
..what can burn for years without burn...
..stone can grow without rain...
..and only love can burn for years without end...'
We were talking about the Saudi's yesterday on your Iran thread. Remember?
Yes I remember Tangelo....I thought about that when I first saw the article this morning....weird....
Quoting: ~GAIA~
I think Saudi's are VERY scared about Iran since they want to keep sheiks living in western culture while people live under strict Islam. The rich sheiks are very happy with the way life is right now.
Those wealthy oil sheiks just want to keep living their life with liquor, women, and western practice. And they want to keep their oil $$$$$$.
Iran sees Saudi's leaders as traitors to Islam.
Yes?
Hee hee.
Saudi's say: PLEASE feel FREE to use our airspace. We will be glad to have you!! Would you like some pita chips and hummus picnic basket for your flight? See we like Israeli very much. I even have kipot.....friend.
I've got a bad feeling about August as well.. & I think it's the world bullies who hate each other working together to destroy us & themselves to prevent any 'public' contact with benign ETs. The world bullies do not want benign ETs here, so are prepared to destroy the world, us & themselves. Pathetic.
Uranium Enrichment: The Bushes, The Saudis and The Bomb
Written by Chris Floyd May 29, 2008
Did you hear the alarming story about a country led by draconian Muslim religious extremists acquiring enriched uranium for their nuclear plants -- plants which could be weaponized anytime in the future, putting weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Sharia law fanatics who repress women, chop off heads and throttle all dissent? What's more, they were given this weapons-grade material by a rogue nation led by a goonish tyrant who gained power only because he was the wastrel son of the former leader. Break out the regime change machinery right away; this evil must be stopped!
What's that? No, we're not talking about Iran getting souped-up nukestuff from North Korea. We're talking about George W. Bush's bestowal of enriched uranium on his pals and business partners, the Saudi royals, the most draconian religious tyrants in the world. Harvey Wasserman has the goods at Democracy Now:
You know, I'd like to know the insane asylum in which this policy was concocted. The idea of giving enriched uranium to the Saudis while threatening war with the Iranians for enriching uranium is astonishing. The idea that the Saudis are going to somehow lower the price of oil on the basis of possibly getting nuclear reactors in the future is just almost staggering to think about. It's something, I guess, we've come to expect with the Bush administration.
But the nuclear power industry is trying desperately to spread itself all over the world, and we have proliferation problems. As you may recall, the Clinton administration cut a deal with the North Koreans to build a reactor there, and of course now suddenly, when Bush comes in, they're a nuclear threat. We have to put this in perspective. We have to remember that when the Shah was in power in Iran so many years ago, he was in the process of buying thirty-six reactors, and had those reactors been completed before he fell to the Ayatollah, Iran would now have thirty-six reactors. So what the Bush administration is telling us is that this current Saudi government is always going to be in power and it's perfectly fine for them to have nuclear reactors. We know that India and Pakistan built—both built nuclear weapons from their commercial atomic power programs, as perhaps did South Africa. And it's just almost staggering to think about this prospect.
How strange: Bush and the many beaters of drums for war with Iran tell us over and over that Tehran's nuclear program must be aimed at building weapons, for why else would a country awash in oil want to pursue nuclear energy? Yet when Bush's smooching buddy King Fahd and his immensely corrupt court of baksheeshers -- led, of course, by the billion-dollar bribe maven, Prince Bandar Ibn Sultan (or as he is known in America's own two-bit royal family, "Bandar Bush") -- say they want to supplement their oil resources with nuclear power, why, that's perfectly logical. Enriched uranium? By all means, be our guest!
The truth is that the Saudis have been trying to get hold of nuclear weapons for decades, with the active help of their business partners, the Bush Family. As the New Yorker reported years ago, the Saudis paid Saddam Hussein at least $5 billion from 1985 to 1990 to support his nuclear weapons program, with the understanding that they would get some of the big bombs for themselves. What's more, this sinister transaction was carried out with the full knowledge and tacit approval of, among others, a certain president named George Bush:
What the defector did not know was that the Fahd-Saddam nuclear project was also a closely held secret in Washington. According to a former high-ranking American diplomat, the C.I.A. was fully apprised. "I knew about it," the diplomat says matter-of-factly, "and so did they." A senior White House official, asked about the Saudi government's involvement and American complicity, told us, "They did spend billions on the Iraqis. It was a different world. We were ready to overlook a lot of things the Saudis were doing for the Iraqis. It's consistent with all the other terrible things we did at the time" -- to shore up Saddam.
Then Saddam did a bad thing: he messed around with another set of Bush Family business partners: the Kuwaiti royals. [See the postscript after the jump for more details.] That was the end of his Bush/Saudi-backed nuke program. (The Reagan-Bush administrations had also helpfully supplied Saddam with materials for chemical weapons too, then provided him with military intelligence to help him direct this CW at the Iranians). But it was not the end of Saudi Arabia's quest for an "Islamic bomb." They simply turned to Pakistan, which, wisely, has never upset a Bush Family business partner. As Greg Palast reports:
How did a berserker like North Korea's Kim Jong Il get the bomb in the first place? Answer: He bought it from the Dr. Strangelove of Pakistan [A.Q. Khan] in 2001 -- while all our President's men ordered our intelligence agents to keep their eyes shut tight....
Why would Team Bush pull back our agents from nabbing North Korea's bomb connection? The answer in two words: Saudi Arabia.
The agent on the line said, "There were always constraints on investigating the Saudis." Khan is Pakistani, not Saudi, but, nevertheless, the investigation led back to Saudi Arabia. There was no way that the Dr. Strangelove of Pakistan could have found the billions to cook up his nukes within the budget of his poor nation.
We eventually discovered that agents knew the Saudis, who had secretly funded Saddam's nuclear weapons ambitions in the eighties, apparently moved their bomb-for-Islam money from Iraq to Dr. Khan's lab in Pakistan after Saddam invaded Kuwait in 1990.
But, said the insider, our agents had to let a hot trail grow cold because he and others "were told to back off the Saudis." If you can't follow the money, you can't investigate. The weapons hunt was spiked.
Whether the Saudis had the same arrangement with Khan as they did with Saddam -- "Here's the loot, go make bombs, then give us some" -- is not known. (Well, the Bushes probably know, but not us peons) The Saudis' current yen for enriched uranium would tend to indicate that there was some other pro quo for their layout of quid. But even if Dr. Khan has not already given the Saudis a couple of nukes to play with, someone else has provided them (and the rest of the world) with handy-dandy blueprints for building a bomb. And who might that be? Why, that nation-devouring scourge of WMD everywhere, of course: George W. Bush.
As we noted here in November 2006, the Bush Administration dumped thousands of captured Iraqi documents on the internet, including, as the New York Times put it, "detailed accounts of Iraq's secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb." Just hours after this story broke, six Arab nations formally announced they were launching nuclear programs of their own: Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, the United Arab Emirates -- and Saudi Arabia. From the November 2006 post:
As the Times [London] notes, arms experts view the announcement as "a stunning reversal of policy" in the Arab world, which has long called for a nuclear-free Middle East – a stance aimed at dismantling Israel's large if nominally secret nuclear arsenal and preventing Iran from acquiring atomic weaponry....
It's true that the six Arab nations told the IAEA they wanted nuclear capability solely for peaceful purposes: to run desalinization plants, for example, or to provide cheap, abundant energy for their economies. (Perhaps the supposedly oil-glutted Saudis, who trotted out the latter rationale, know something they're not telling us about "peak oil" and such.) But it's also true that this technology can always be weaponized – as the Bush Administration never ceases to remind us when lambasting Iran for its nuclear program.
Of course, converting a peaceful, public energy program into a covert weapons development scheme is much easier if you have a "cookbook" showing you how to do it. And that's exactly how the Bush Administration's Iraqi data dump was described by European experts. With six new entrants in the nuclear sweepstakes – just a fraction of the 30 nations that IAEA head Mohamed ElBaradei says "have the capacity to develop nuclear weapons in a short time" – the ramifications of the Administration's nuke blogging are far more serious than the near-total media and political silence that has followed the revelations would indicate...
Last March, in a bid to generate media smoke from overheated right-wing bloggers flailing their way ignorantly through raw intelligence data, the Bush Faction dumped thousands upon thousands of captured Saddam-era Iraqi documents into a public web archive. There was absolutely zero intelligence value to be gained from the exercise, as the Administration's own intelligence experts repeatedly warned. Then again, history has shown us just how scantly the Bush Gang regards careful intelligence analysis; as in the run-up to the Iraq invasion, what they wanted was cherry-picked garbage that could be used for partisan propaganda.
And so the sewage pipe of the unsifted Iraqi intel was opened, in hopes of generating a few stories that might dominate a news cycle here and there with "revelations" that could provide even the most tenuous "justification" for the Administration's pre-war mendacities about Iraq's non-existent WMD threat and its equally spurious ties to 9/11 and al Qaeda. As we've seen in many other cases – such as the long-running spy fiction thriller, "Atta in Prague" – the barest micron of a hint of a whisper from some unnamed, uncorroborated source is enough for the warmongers and their sycophants to feast upon for years.
But this trove of dross has produced no propaganda gold, and with good reason: the archives cannot yield what is not there. There are no records documenting active WMD programs, or even dormant WMD programs, because there had been no such programs in Iraq since the 1991 Gulf War – a fact that the western intelligence agencies, and the Clinton and Bush White Houses, knew very well, because they had been told of this in 1995 by the man in charge of the programs and their destruction: Saddam's own son-in-law, Hussein Kamel.
However, as the New York Times reports, there was a good deal of material in the archives on Iraq's pre-1991 WMD programs. These included, says the NYT, "detailed accounts of Iraq's secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb." They contain "charts, diagrams, equations and lengthy narratives about bomb building that nuclear experts who have viewed them say go beyond what is available elsewhere on the Internet and in other public forums."
One of the most important aspects of the information is that it spells out many of the mistakes and wrong turns that Iraqi scientists encountered on their road to the bomb. The handy roadmap provided by Bush will allow new aspirants for atomic weaponry to avoid these pitfalls and accelerate their programs accordingly. Secret nuclear weapons programs once took decades to complete, as in Pakistan, India and North Korea, or else simply sputtered out from technical ignorance, as in Libya. Now much of this knowledge gap has been bridged by the Bush Administration, cutting years of trial and error out of the process.
As we further noted at the time, these nuclear bomb blueprints were dumped on a world where
long-effective non-proliferation structures are either collapsing or already dead. From the very beginning, the Bush Administration deliberately set out to overthrow the old "containment" treaties that had held the demon of nuclear war at bay for decades. The Administration was adamant that no shackles should hold back its expansion of the entirely ineffective but crony-enriching boondoggle known as "missile defense." Plans for "enhancing" the nation's nuclear arsenal with new, more "useable" tactical nukes and weaponizing the global commons of outer space were also stated goals of the militarists who dominate the Administration: the "Project for a New Century" crowd, led by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, who spelled out their disdain for arms treaties and their plans for an aggressive nuclear weapons revamp in speeches and publications well before the unelected Bush was shoehorned into the White House by the Supreme Court.
Once in office, Bush "unsigned" the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban treaty and ashcanned the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty – the cornerstone of nuclear containment for a generation. In their place, Bush and his "unitary executive" counterpart in Russia, Vladimir Putin, signed the ludicrous "Moscow Treaty" in 2002. This worthless rag – which covers less than a single, typewritten page – is perhaps the most cynical sham in international diplomacy since the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
The treaty sets a nominal limit on the number of nuclear warheads actually mounted on working missiles and bombers, as the National Resources Defense Council reports. But this limit is operative for one day only – December 31, 2012, the day the treaty expires. "Before and after that date, the number of deliverable nuclear warheads could exceed the treaty's maximum 'limit' of 2,200 'operational' warheads," the NRDC notes. "Both countries would be free to keep thousands of 'reserve' warheads in storage, which could be remounted on delivery systems within weeks or months."
There were no other limits placed on the world's two largest nuclear arsenals, nor does the treaty require "the destruction of a single nuclear warhead, missile, silo, bomber or submarine," the NRDC reports. It places no restrictions at all on tactical nuclear weapons: the ones most likely to be used in battle -- and the ones most likely to be pilfered by "non-state actors."
....Meanwhile, the Administration has made a mockery of the 1970 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. As noted, Bush has embraced the nuclear weapons programs of three renegade nations that remained outside the NPT – India, Pakistan and Israel – while attacking nations that have remained within the Treaty's allowances for carefully monitored peaceful nuclear energy programs. And Bush has of course continued the practice of all of his predecessors in arrogantly ignoring the obligations which the treaty placed on existing nuclear powers to liquidate their own stockpiles and work toward an international disarmament agreement....
Only a sociopathic idiot of the highest order would dump raw intelligence about weapons systems onto the Internet without even examining it first. What's more, the Bush Party knew for a certainty that there was very dangerous material lurking in the archive. As the NYT reports: "Last spring, after the site began posting old Iraqi documents about chemical weapons, United Nations arms-control officials in New York won the withdrawal of a report that gave information on how to make tabun and sarin, nerve agents that kill by causing respiratory failure."
Those particular documents were finally pulled – after finding their way into how many hard drives of Islamic extremists, homegrown white-power nuts, or freakish death cults like Aum Shinrikyo? – but the archive stayed wide open. Why? Because the Bush Party fanatics still hoped to squeeze some propaganda value out of it. And even after the IAEA complained about the nuclear data on the site late last month, the Administration took no action. Not until the New York Times story was about to appear did the Bushists finally take down the site, to lessen the political embarrassment....Had some intelligence agent or other government official posted such incendiary material on a website on the sly, they would rightly be condemned as criminals, even traitors.
So here are your "National Security" stalwarts in action. This is how much they really care about restraining nuclear proliferation and keeping nightmare weaponry out of the hands of tyrants, terrorists and extremists. In their endless, ruthless, relentless quest for blood money -- for the power and privilege that war and fear and human suffering bring -- our militarist elites are more than happy to put the whole world at risk.
[link to 74.125.47.132] I thought I'd beat the inevitibility of death to death just a little bit.
Some unsurprising thoughts from the benevolent altruists over at the CFR:
Council on Foreign Relations April 17, 2006
"DAVID B. OTTAWAY: In “Thicker than Oil,” the first full history of the U.S. relationship with Saudi Arabia, Council Senior Fellow Rachel Bronson reveals why the partnership became so intimate and how the countries’ shared interests sowed the seeds of today’s most pressing problem—Islamic radicalism."
"OTTAWAY: Your three main themes—oil, God and real estate—can you explain to us briefly what you mean by these?
BRONSON: Sure.
OTTAWAY: I mean, oil was obvious, but the others weren’t.
BRONSON: That’s from the U.S. perspective, what I think the pillars of this relationship had been for most of the Cold War, and really continued to a large extent through today. And it was oil, God and real estate.
If you look at how our decision-makers often think about the U.S.-Saudi relationship, oil is central. It’s very, very important to the relationship. You know, the normal characterization, the oil for security bargain—it’s there, to be sure. But it’s so much more than that. And I try to boil it down to what else is it about.
From the U.S. side there was God and real estate. Real estate—you just look at a map and look where Saudi Arabia is located—the strategic geography is actually very important, with the Red Sea on one side and the Persian Gulf on the other side. And if you think of, again, the Cold War, which really did define so much of the formative years of the relationship, we were counting allies everywhere in the world. You were either with us or the Soviets. And to have Saudi Arabia, both because it’s an oil producer, also it had Mecca and Medina inside its territory, and also because of its proximity to other issues that we cared about was very important.
I don’t spend as much time in the book, because I’m actually very fascinated by the notion of God, and the fact that Mecca and Medina was—is in Saudi Arabia. That was and continues to be a very, very important part of U.S.-Saudi relations, and decision-makers throughout history have recognized it, that it is better to have the rulers who can speak for Mecca and Medina on your side than not. During the Cold War we were fighting communists, the God was communist. The Saudis were happy to use religion to fight the Soviets, and in many ways saw the Soviets as a threat to them, because of the original religious political pact. In part, the—(inaudible)—does depend on some sort of religious legitimacy. Because of that, a God-less, someone propagating this notion of atheism was very, very troubling and a moral threat, and the Saudis didn’t have to be convinced. And from the U.S. point of view, religion was good. It wasn’t that they were seeking out Saudis’ religiosity, or that they even cared that much about the interpretation of Islam. But if you were a religious person, that was good, because you weren’t as susceptible to the Soviet message.
The Saudis used their competitive advantage, if you will, in the battles against Nasser and Arab nationalism. They heavily funded the charities that we’ve heard about in the ‘70s and ‘80s, in part because it fit with their (apostolic higher notion ?)—it was easy to do so. But it also fit within their geostrategic world view. And it was that shared view that made it very, very say for the United States and Saudi Arabia to partner. And I don’t want to keep taking us back in history, but it’s fascinating that in the 1950s in the State Department they were working on our public diplomacy towards the Middle East—that sounds familiar, because it is. And they’re trying to figure what the message is going to be, and they kept coming up with the fact that—remind them we’re on the side of the Muslims, and especially when you go talk in Saudi Arabia. Now, I’m sure for Muslims in the room and throughout the world, there’s sort of a question, Is Saudi Arabia the right partner if you want to be on the side of the Muslims? But we didn’t get that far. The fact was to have Mecca and Medina on our side was very, very useful."
Much more: [link to www.cfr.org] I thought I'd beat the inevitibility of death to death just a little bit.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 713815 7/5/2009 11:01 AM
Re: BREAKING:'Saudis would let IAF jets fly over kingdom on Iran mission'.."GREEN LIGHT TO ATTACK IRAN"
We were talking about the Saudi's yesterday on your Iran thread. Remember?
Yes I remember Tangelo....I thought about that when I first saw the article this morning....weird....
I think Saudi's are VERY scared about Iran since they want to keep sheiks living in western culture while people live under strict Islam. The rich sheiks are very happy with the way life is right now.
Those wealthy oil sheiks just want to keep living their life with liquor, women, and western practice. And they want to keep their oil $$$$$$.
Iran sees Saudi's leaders as traitors to Islam.
Yes?
Hee hee.
Saudi's say: PLEASE feel FREE to use our airspace. We will be glad to have you!! Would you like some pita chips and hummus picnic basket for your flight? See we like Israeli very much. I even have kipot.....friend.
Quoting: tangelo
...yes, just do the job....seems that you are right....because if we burn up, Saudis + all the oil will burn up even more...nothing like having a strong ally-neighbour, you never know when you are gonna need some eggs to borrow from them...
'..what can grow without rain..
..what can burn for years without burn...
..stone can grow without rain...
..and only love can burn for years without end...'
Alright, I give up..keep insulting each other and wasting your life away insulting the arabs or jews. Unreal, we are watching something huge unfold...RUSSIA/US...Saudi Arabia/Israel...Iran/N.Korea and a few other interesting things and you want to insult each other.
Quoting: Winningjob
'..what can grow without rain..
..what can burn for years without burn...
..stone can grow without rain...
..and only love can burn for years without end...'
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