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Anonymous Coward
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7/5/2009 11:32 AM
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July 5, 2009, 5:51 PM (GMT+02:00)
US Vice President Joseph Biden: Israel must determine for itself.
In an interview with ABC's George Stephanoupolos taped Saturday, vice president Joseph Biden said in answer to a question: "Look, Israel can determine for itself — it's a sovereign nation — what's in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and anyone else." Whether we agree or not? The interviewer asked. "Whether we agree or not," said the vice president.
This was the first time a senior Obama administration official left Israeli the military option against Iran's nuclear sites.
it would mean that the administration has withdrawn its veto against Israel's resort to military action to curtail Iran's drive for a bomb before diplomacy has been fully tested.
He went on to say: "They're entitled to do that. Any sovereign nation is entitled to do that. But there is no pressure from any nation that's going to alter our behavior as to how to proceed. What we believe is in the national interest of the United States, which we, coincidentally, believe is also in the interest of Israel and the whole world.
"And so there are separate issues. If the Netanyahu government decides to take a course of action different than the one being pursued now, that is their sovereign right to do that. That is not our choice. "
Stephanopoulos persisted: But just to be clear here, if the Israelis decide Iran is an existential threat, they have to take out the nuclear program, militarily the United States will not stand in the way?
Biden: "Look, we cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do.
Interviewer: You say we can't dictate, but we can, if we choose to, deny over-flight rights here in Iraq. We can stand in the way of a military strike.
Biden: "I'm not going to speculate, George, on those issues, other than to say Israel has a right to determine what's in its interests, and we have a right and we will determine what's in our interests."
DEBKAfile's intelligence sources: The last three days from Friday, June 3, have seen a spate of reports all pointing in one direction: Israel's air and sea capabilities for dealing with Iran and its military nuclear program. US vice president Biden's statement, unless it is withdrawn, looks like the Obama administration's seal on a possible Israeli attack for pre-empting a nuclear-armed Iran. "Israel can determine for itself whether or not to bomb Iran's nuclear program," he said.
Until now, administration officials referred a potential Israeli bombardment of Iran as a disaster whose consequences were impossible to predict.
Now the ball is squarely in Binyamin Netanyahu's court, whether because Washington hopes Israel will pull the Iranian chestnut out of the fire, or to call Israel's bluff. Netanyahu and defense minister Ehud Barak are now free of America restraints for backing up their statements about the need to pre-empt a nuclear-armed Iran before the Islamic Republic poses an existential threat to Israel.
Asked if Americans would again put their lives on the line again if violence flares back up in Iraq, Biden flatly said "no." |
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Anonymous Coward
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7/5/2009 11:33 AM | |
mathetes
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7/5/2009 11:40 AM
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This was the first time a senior Obama administration official left Israeli the military option against Iran's nuclear sites. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 689963
I wouldn't see this as a change in the Obamas plan
Crazy uncle Joe often 'misspeaks"
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The command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory.
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Evil Twin  
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7/5/2009 11:42 AM
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This was the first time a senior Obama administration official left Israeli the military option against Iran's nuclear sites.
I wouldn't see this as a change in the Obamas plan
Crazy uncle Joe often 'misspeaks" Quoting: mathetes
True! |
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Anonymous Coward
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7/5/2009 11:42 AM | | Re: Biden: US not stand in Israel's way on Iran | Quote |
Biden: "Look, we cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do.
Hello Mr Liar. |
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Elijah
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7/5/2009 11:42 AM
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This was the first time a senior Obama administration official left Israeli the military option against Iran's nuclear sites.
I wouldn't see this as a change in the Obamas plan
Crazy uncle Joe often 'misspeaks" Quoting: mathetes
Wait and see if the Administration lets the comments stand. If they do then there is definitely a green light in what he said.
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Anonymous Coward
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7/5/2009 11:44 AM | | Re: Biden: US not stand in Israel's way on Iran | Quote |
So hypathetically speaking....Israel attacks Iran's nuclear interests and Iran retaliates with a surprise nuclear attack will we still stay out of it? |
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lillie8
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7/5/2009 11:45 AM
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This was the first time a senior Obama administration official left Israeli the military option against Iran's nuclear sites.
I wouldn't see this as a change in the Obamas plan
Crazy uncle Joe often 'misspeaks"
Wait and see if the Administration lets the comments stand. If they do then there is definitely a green light in what he said. Quoting: Elijah
Yep, that's what I heard as well. Sounds like a green light.
Strange though.It still gives me an oh shit feeling.
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Anonymous Coward
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7/5/2009 11:46 AM | | Re: Biden: US not stand in Israel's way on Iran | Quote |
July 5, 2009, 5:51 PM (GMT+02:00)
US Vice President Joseph Biden: Israel must determine for itself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 689963
And so it begins... |
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Elijah
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7/5/2009 11:48 AM
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This was the first time a senior Obama administration official left Israeli the military option against Iran's nuclear sites.
I wouldn't see this as a change in the Obamas plan
Crazy uncle Joe often 'misspeaks"
Wait and see if the Administration lets the comments stand. If they do then there is definitely a green light in what he said.
Yep, that's what I heard as well. Sounds like a green light.
Strange though.It still gives me an oh shit feeling. Quoting: lillie8
Being the month of Tammuz, it has bad news all over it if it's soon.
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Anonymous Coward
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7/5/2009 11:50 AM | | Re: Biden: US not stand in Israel's way on Iran | Quote |
We can't dictate to Israel but we can withdraw our financial aid. The money which makes Israel the pain in the ass it is.
Israel starting a war they can't finish without the US military certainly concerns me.
Israel couldn't even do Lebanon. How in the hell could Israel do Iran without nukes? |
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Sireen-reborn
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7/5/2009 11:52 AM | |
Cranky
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7/5/2009 11:58 AM
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Seeing how it is the military that makes all of the critical decisions it is important to note that the people in Washington DC are simply plain clothes military. The President is the Commander in Chief of something, I wonder "WHAT" that might be? It appears that whatever the military plans for transcends who is in the White House, hence an oligarchy. Just some food for thought. |
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Anonymous Coward
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7/5/2009 11:59 AM | | Re: Biden: US not stand in Israel's way on Iran | Quote |
July 5, 2009, 5:51 PM (GMT+02:00)
US Vice President Joseph Biden: Israel must determine for itself.
And so it begins... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702496
THAT HAS BEEN SO MANY FRIGGIN TIMES ON THIS BOARD. RAGE. |
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Anonymous Coward
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7/5/2009 12:01 PM | | Re: Biden: US not stand in Israel's way on Iran | Quote |
Biden: "Look, we cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do."
this, however, doesn't apply to Iran
Joe "I am a zionist" Biden |
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Wake Up
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7/5/2009 12:07 PM
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As if we needed more convincing that Joe Biden is an idiot!! |
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Anonymous Coward
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7/5/2009 12:11 PM | | Re: Biden: US not stand in Israel's way on Iran | Quote |
Biden: "Look, we cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do."
this, however, doesn't apply to Iran
Joe "I am a zionist" Biden
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Anonymous Coward
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7/5/2009 12:11 PM | |
~Ajax--
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7/5/2009 12:11 PM | | Re: Biden: US not stand in Israel's way on Iran | Quote |
If Iran kicks Israel's ass....will we still stay out of it? I wonder Quoting: Sireen-reborn
my thoughts also. |
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Spirit of LIES
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7/5/2009 12:15 PM | | Re: Biden: US not stand in Israel's way on Iran | Quote |
Weren't these same words uttered about Iraq and Kuwait. And when Iraq invaded Kuwait we suddenly decided to GET INVOLVED? |
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Evil Twin
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7/5/2009 12:16 PM
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 645848
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Normal Is Subjective
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7/5/2009 12:24 PM
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Does all this ring familiar?
Whatever Happened to April Glaspie?
It was in this context that Glaspie had her first meeting with Saddam Hussein on July 25, 1990. Glaspie herself had requested the meeting, saying she had an urgent message for the Iraqi president from US President George H. W. Bush (Bush Senior). In her two years as Ambassador to Iraq, it was Glaspie's first private audience with Saddam Hussein. It was also to be her last. A partial transcript of the meeting is as follows:
US Ambassador Glaspie:
"I have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. We have considerable sympathy for your quest for higher oil prices, the immediate cause of your confrontation with Kuwait. (pause) As you know, I have lived here for years and admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country (after the Iran-Iraq war). We know you need funds. We understand that, and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. (pause) We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business, but when this happens in the context of your other threats against Kuwait, then it would be reasonable for us to be concerned. For this reason, I have received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship - not confrontation - regarding your intentions. Why are your troops massed so very close to Kuwait's borders?"
President Saddam Hussein:
"As you know, for years now I have made every effort to reach a settlement on our dispute with Kuwait. There is to be a meeting in two days; I am prepared to give negotiations only one more brief chance. (pause) When we (the Iraqis) meet (with the Kuwaitis) and we see there is hope, then nothing will happen. But if we are unable to find a solution, then it will be natural that Iraq will not accept death."
US Ambassador Glaspie:
"What solution would be acceptable?"
President Saddam Hussein:
"If we could keep the whole of the Shatt al Arab - our strategic goal in our war with Iran - we will make concessions (to the Kuwaitis). But if we are forced to choose between keeping half of the Shatt and the whole of Iraq (which, in Iraq's view, includes Kuwait), then we will give up all of the Shatt to defend our claims on Kuwait to keep the whole of Iraq in the shape we wish it to be. (pause) What is the United States' opinion on this?"
US Ambassador Glaspie:
"We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasise the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."
(Saddam smiles)
At a Washington press conference called the next day (July 26, 1990), US State Department spokesperson Margaret Tutweiler was asked by journalists:
"Has the United States sent any type of diplomatic message to the Iraqis about putting 30,000 troops on the border with Kuwait? Has there been any type of protest communicated from the United States government?"
To which Tutweiler responded
"I'm entirely unaware of any such protest."
On July 31, 1990, two days before the Iraqi invasion, John Kelly, Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, testified to Congress that the
"United States has no commitment to defend Kuwait and the US has no intention of defending Kuwait if it is attacked by Iraq."
The trap had been baited very cleverly by Glaspie, reinforced by Tutweiler's and Kelly's supporting comments.
And Saddam Hussein walked right into it, believing that the US would do nothing if his troops invaded Kuwait. On August 2, 1990, eight days after Glaspie's meeting with the Iraqi president, Saddam Hussein's massed troops invaded Kuwait.
One month later in Baghdad, British journalists obtained the tape and transcript of the Saddam Hussein-April Glaspie meeting on July 25, 1990. In order to verify this astounding information, they attempted to confront Ms Glaspie as she was leaving the US embassy in Baghdad.
Journalist 1:
"Are the transcripts (holding them up) correct, Madam Ambassador?"
(Ambassador Glaspie does not respond)
Journalist 2:
"You knew Saddam was going to invade (Kuwait), but you didn't warn him not to. You didn't tell him America would defend Kuwait. You told him the opposite - that America was not associated with Kuwait."
Journalist 1:
"You encouraged this aggression - his invasion. What were you thinking?"
US Ambassador Glaspie:
"Obviously, I didn't think, and nobody else did, that the Iraqis were going to take all of Kuwait."
Journalist 1:
"You thought he was just going to take SOME of it? But how COULD YOU?! Saddam told you that, if negotiations failed, he would give up his Iran (Shatt al Arab Waterway) goal for the WHOLE of Iraq, in the shape we wish it to be. You KNOW that includes Kuwait, which the Iraqis have always viewed as a historic part of their country!"
(Ambassador Glaspie says nothing, pushing past the two journalists to leave)
"America green-lighted the invasion. At a minimum, you admit signalling Saddam that some aggression was okay - that the US would not oppose a grab of the al-Rumalya oil field, the disputed border strip and the Gulf Islands (including Bubiyan) - territories claimed by Iraq?"
(Again, Ambassador Glaspie says nothing as a limousine door closes behind her and the car drives off.)
Two years later, during the American television network NBC News Decision '92s third round of the Presidential Debate, 1992 presidential candidate Ross Perot was quoted as saying:
"...we told him (Saddam) he could take the northern part of Kuwait; and when he took the whole thing we went nuts. And if we didn't tell him that, why won't we even let the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the Senate Intelligence Committee see the written instructions for Ambassador Glaspie?"
At this point he (Perot) was interrupted by then President George Bush Senior who yelled:
"I've got to reply to that. That gets to national honour!...That is absolutely absurd!"
Absurd or not, the fact of the matter is that after April Glaspie left Baghdad in late August 1990 and returned to Washington, she was kept under wraps by the State Department for eight months, not allowed to talk to the media, and did not surface until just before the official end of the Gulf war (April 11, 1991), when she was called to testify informally before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee about her meeting with Saddam Hussein.
She said she was the victim of "deliberate deception on a major scale" and denounced the transcript of the meeting as "a fabrication" that distorted her position, though she admitted that it contained "a great deal" that was accurate.
The veteran diplomat awaited her next assignment, later taking a low-profile job at the United Nations in New York. She was later shunted off to Cape Town, South Africa, as US Consul General. Nothing has been heard of her since her retirement from the diplomatic service in 2002. It's almost as if she has become a non-person.
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7/5/2009 12:26 PM
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Am I the only one that thinks that Israel attacking Iran would be the worst idea of all?
I have some friends in Iraq, and I would say that they would be in some serious trouble if this happened.
I feel that the reprisal from the world would kick start WWIII. All the SCO countries would probably see it as a good time to revolt against the West.
The way I see it is there are 2 separate groups that want to control the entire world.
You have the SCO countries vs. The NWO.
The shitty thing is, no matter who wins the people on this planet are going to lose big time. Oh yeah and when it's all over we will all be slaves.
FUCK.
Holy shit, we are all going to die. |
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Anonymous Coward
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7/5/2009 12:34 PM | | Re: Biden: US not stand in Israel's way on Iran | Quote |
Am I the only one that thinks that Israel attacking Iran would be the worst idea of all?
I have some friends in Iraq, and I would say that they would be in some serious trouble if this happened.
I feel that the reprisal from the world would kick start WWIII. All the SCO countries would probably see it as a good time to revolt against the West.
The way I see it is there are 2 separate groups that want to control the entire world.
You have the SCO countries vs. The NWO.
The shitty thing is, no matter who wins the people on this planet are going to lose big time. Oh yeah and when it's all over we will all be slaves.
FUCK. Quoting: 1-2-THE DOME
We already are slaves. it can only get better. |
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Evil Twin
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7/5/2009 12:41 PM
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We already are slaves. it can only get better. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 657223
I think it could get much, much worse. |
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Anonymous Coward
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7/5/2009 12:46 PM | | Re: Biden: US not stand in Israel's way on Iran | Quote |
We already are slaves. it can only get better.
I think it could get much, much worse. Quoting: Evil Twin
Depends on your perspective |
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Anonymous Coward
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7/5/2009 12:48 PM | | Re: Biden: US not stand in Israel's way on Iran | Quote |
biden has always been a closet jew. |
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Anonymous Coward
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7/5/2009 12:51 PM | | Re: Biden: US not stand in Israel's way on Iran | Quote |
so Joe... does the attitude include all of the So American Countries too... how about No Korea... can they make their own choices? bwahahahhahahahhaha
this is pure bull shit... are we pulling out of Afghanistan now too... (after the Harvest....of course) |
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mj-13
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7/5/2009 12:52 PM | | Re: Biden: US not stand in Israel's way on Iran | Quote |
This was the first time a senior Obama administration official left Israeli the military option against Iran's nuclear sites.
I wouldn't see this as a change in the Obamas plan
Crazy uncle Joe often 'misspeaks" Quoting: mathetes
True. |
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Anonymous Coward
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7/5/2009 12:52 PM | | Re: Biden: US not stand in Israel's way on Iran | Quote |
Biden is a practicing Catholic and a self proclaimed zionist.
His allegiance is not singular. |
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Anonymous Coward
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7/5/2009 12:53 PM | | Re: Biden: US not stand in Israel's way on Iran | Quote |
Biden is a practicing Catholic and a self proclaimed zionist.
His allegiance is not singular. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 713296
He should be awarded some prize for combining both. |
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