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ATTORNEY GENERAL TO CLASSIFY PRO-LIFE, PRO-GUN AMERICANS AS TERRORISTS



By NWV News writer Jim Kouri
Posted 1:00 AM Eastern
July 5, 2009
© 2009 NewsWithViews.com

An amendment to a bill swiftly moving through the US Congress will allow the Obama Administration's Attorney General to classify Americans as domestic terrorists if they are pro-life, pro-gun and anti-big government.

Impeached Florida judge -- now a Democrat Party member of the House of Representatives -- Rep. Alcee Hastings introduced what some claim is a disturbing piece of legislation. Hasting's amendment calls for the Attorney General to have discretion over who is called a terrorist and what groups will be treated as terrorist groups.

"This is arguably one of the worst pieces of legislation to come down the pike in a long, long time. In essence Attorney General Eric Holder -- a Bill Clinton retread -- will have the discretion to label Americans terrorists. Hastings is a dangerous man and should be forced to resign from congress. He's also proposed the creation of "emergency camps" that are nothing more than prisons," warns political strategist Mike Baker.

"This amendment is part and parcel of the trend in this country to suppress dissent by patriots by calling them domestic terrorists," he added.

In an unclassified report entitled "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," Secretary for Homeland Security Janet Napolitano and her agency included the following description of "extremists:"

"Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."

Last Thursday, Congressman Trent Franks (R-AZ) made the following remarks on the House Floor regarding Congressman Alcee Hastings’ (D-FL) amendment to the National Defense Authorization bill:

"The Hastings Amendment to the National Defense Authorization bill (which now is being considered en bloc) prohibits the recruitment, enlistment, or retention of persons with known affiliations to "groups determined by the Attorney General to be of a violent, extremist nature."

"Members on both sides of the aisle support the purpose of this amendment because we recognize that there are legitimate concerns about the enlistment of persons who may seek to use their military training to cause harm to innocents, but we should take pause to consider the breadth of this amendment carefully. I just want to express concern about the language of this amendment, and my concerns are shared by many in this House," said Rep. Franks.

"While the amendment seeks to keep gang members and members of violent groups out of the military, the amendment by its language is much more broad. Specifically, it confers upon the Attorney General the ability to categorize groups as hate groups, and this sounds an alarm for many of us because of the recent shocking and offensive report released by the Department of Homeland Security which labeled, arguably, a majority of Americans as "extremists," warned Franks.

"I take extreme offense that the federal government -- through a report issued under the authority of a Cabinet-level official -- would dare to categorize people who are "dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition or abortion or immigration" as "right-wing extremists" and it begs the question of whether the Attorney General, under Mr. Hastings' Amendment, can look to the Napolitano report to decide who is an extremist, or can make the same categorization of the majority of Americans as extremists who may then be kept from joining the military, or who may be discharged," said Rep. Franks.

"I want to state unequivocally that I believe that it is not the intent of this Congress to label pro-lifers, federalism proponents, and pro-immigration enforcement groups and their affiliates as extremists under the bill. My colleagues on the other side of the aisle should make a strong effort to assuage these concerns and make our intentions clear. If the intent of this amendment is to go after citizens because of their political views and moral convictions, then the amendment is unconstitutional. I hope that the sponsor of the Amendment will make clear tonight that this is not the intent," he added.

Rep. Alcee Hastings also introduced what many say is another disturbing piece of legislation. That new bill calls for the Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano to build at least six facilities that can be designated as "emergency centers. Hastings rationale for such facilities is to gather and "house" civilians on what are basically detention centers guarded by armed soldiers or paramilitary troops.

The House bill (HR 645) -- National Emergency Centers Establishment Act -- is not even on the radar of members of the elite media. According to critics of the plan, if passed the government will create camps or centers that by their nature restrict the activities of US citizens herded into them.

In fact, one provision -- Section 2 (b) (4) -- states: "[To] meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security."

One critic, political strategist Mike Baker claims the idea of such detention center smacks of the type of concentration camps for political dissidents, such as occurred in Nazi Germany, Americans find repugnant.

"Why aren't the news media covering this story? Could it be because they fear being the first occupants of these so-called emergency installations? Where is the outrage by our nation's Fourth Estate?" asks Baker.

Hastings bill is suspected of attempting to help expand the President Obama's military and law enforcement powers. While Hastings pushes this bill, even Republican congressmen are hesitant to remind one another and the nation that this Florida congressman was impeached while he sat on Florida's federal court bench.

Appointed by President Jimmy Carter in 1979, he became the first African-American federal judge in the state of Florida, and served in that position for ten years. He’s still called “Judge” by some of his colleagues, but one would think he’d rather forget his days on the federal bench.

In 1989, Judge Hastings was impeached by the US House of Representatives for bribery and perjury. The Democratic-controlled Senate convicted Hastings of accepting a $150,000 bribe in 1981 in exchange for a lenient sentence and of perjury in his testimony about the case. Hastings said the charges against him smacked of racism.

Even Rep. John Conyers, who is also black, said he “found no trace of racism during the investigation.” He urged his colleagues to remove Hastings from the bench. He said, “[Hastings] is unfit to serve.”

When the ultra-liberal Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi nominated Hastings for the chairmanship of the House Intelligence Committee, even members of her own political party balked.

"The prospect of Rep. Alcee Hastings becoming the chairman of the House of Representative’s Intelligence Committee was proposed by Congressional Black Caucus, who had been pressuring the new House Speaker Pelosi to appoint blacks to key leadership positions and Hasting benefited from the pressure on the radical left Pelosi," said former Detective Sidney Frances (NYPD-ret.), himself an African-American.

While Hastings did not become chairman of that committee, he is a ranking member of the Homeland Security Subcommittee.
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LMFAO, you bunch of terrorists.
All theyre doing is protecting their fuckups. If they challenge the honorability of the people in the know. The only ones that will really "know" then are them.

I can see them trying to use this to some extent. Their are people that within the US (and actually citizens) want to see the US fail. Their lies, innuendo and misleading of its citizens should fall under a terrorist act...citizen or not.

The problem will be the abuse from the bill.
They have the power to create reality

I could explain it better but I would need charts, graphs and an easel.

By the way....which ones pink?
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Could be a problem for some GLPer's...but then cache's of weapon's have been buried by many American's in anticipation of a crack down...Personally I have to do nothing...but wait....the hunter is patient.........
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Whoever wrote this bill...should be arrested and charged under the Patriot Act as a threat to our Homeland Security.
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See ya all in the camps!
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Could be a problem for some GLPer's...but then cache's of weapon's have been buried by many American's in anticipation of a crack down...Personally I have to do nothing...but wait....the hunter is patient.........
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so this bill would call George Washington, and the rest who created our country a terrorist.... Isn't that treason....
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LMFAO, you bunch of terrorists.
All theyre doing is protecting their fuckups. If they challenge the honorability of the people in the know. The only ones that will really "know" then are them.

I can see them trying to use this to some extent. Their are people that within the US (and actually citizens) want to see the US fail. Their lies, innuendo and misleading of its citizens should fall under a terrorist act...citizen or not.

The problem will be the abuse from the bill.
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That is always the problem.... If it can be abused it will be by humans....
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Whoever wrote this bill...should be arrested and charged under the Patriot Act as a threat to our Homeland Security.
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There are so many bills sent through the House and Senate it is hard to keep track. It seems that bad amendments attached to innocuous bills has become the norm.

Congress as a rule does not read this stuff. So now we get bad amendments attached to bad bills that through the laziness of our representative get passed and we are

SO FLOCKED
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Good.

Like it or not that in the last 20 or so years the majority of domestic terrorism in the U.S. has been by right-wing domestic extremists who have:

- Blown up buildings (Oklahoma)
- Assasinated doctors
- Killed liberals (that church shooting)
- Killed democrat leaders

Of course not everyone on the political right is a terrorist, and am not not saying that every conservative is a terrorist, but the past few years have shown that a very small minority of right-wing extremists are a threat.
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There are so many bills sent through the House and Senate it is hard to keep track. It seems that bad amendments attached to innocuous bills has become the norm.

Congress as a rule does not read this stuff. So now we get bad amendments attached to bad bills that through the laziness of our representative get passed and we are

SO FLOCKED
 Quoting: Just2Laws


AS WE THE PEOPLE, THEY SHOULD BE TOLD TO WRITE NO MORE BILL'S, BUT TO REDRESS AND CORRECT THE MISTAKE'S THEY/WE HAVE DONE TO UNDO OUR CURRENT TIMES, HERE IN THE US AND THE WORLD........
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Does anyone understand why I say this is not my government anymore, They've lost it... Totally out of control.
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Good.

Like it or not that in the last 20 or so years the majority of domestic terrorism in the U.S. has been by right-wing domestic extremists who have:

- Blown up buildings (Oklahoma)
- Assasinated doctors
- Killed liberals (that church shooting)
- Killed democrat leaders

Of course not everyone on the political right is a terrorist, and am not not saying that every conservative is a terrorist, but the past few years have shown that a very small minority of right-wing extremists are a threat.
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There are laws to cover all that. No new laws are needed.
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Does anyone understand why I say this is not my government anymore, They've lost it... Totally out of control.
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+1...BUT WHAT WOULD YOU DO PERSONALLY ABOUT IT....????
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Does anyone understand why I say this is not my government anymore, They've lost it... Totally out of control.


+1...BUT WHAT WOULD YOU DO PERSONALLY ABOUT IT....????
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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On a cop show the other day, they were trying people, in the court who had participated in a gang death, as "terrorists".

At the time, I thought that would be a way to clean up the dangerous portions of cities where people were afraid to go out at night because of "gangs".

When police know the names of the gangs and the territories of these gangs, I see no reason why we can not treat them as "terrorist" and get them off the streets to allow regular people the safety of their own neighborhoods.

However, it's going too far to label gun owners (who follow the law by properly obtaining any permit required in their city) as terrorists. They are not breaking any laws and only hurt robbers that break into their homes.
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Does anyone understand why I say this is not my government anymore, They've lost it... Totally out of control.
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If we could just get more power to the states than the fed, we can make it our country again.

We would feel we had more say over things.
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Does anyone understand why I say this is not my government anymore, They've lost it... Totally out of control.



If we could just get more power to the states than the fed, we can make it our country again.

We would feel we had more say over things.
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IF is the single, largest word, in the English language.

The states had power at the signing and ratification of the Constitution. It didn't take long at all, through apathy, for those same states to relinquish the power.

Now here we are looking back and seeing the devastation of the Constitution, saying What the Hell happened?

Is there a simple answer? I fear not
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Good.

Like it or not that in the last 20 or so years the majority of domestic terrorism in the U.S. has been by right-wing domestic extremists who have:

- Blown up buildings (Oklahoma)
- Assasinated doctors
- Killed liberals (that church shooting)
- Killed democrat leaders

Of course not everyone on the political right is a terrorist, and am not not saying that every conservative is a terrorist, but the past few years have shown that a very small minority of right-wing extremists are a threat.
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You do not have a clue. Where do you stop with this??
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Those who swore oaths to protect the constitution and then do everything to tear down the country she protects are already terrorists....no bill required.

They should be rounded up and arrested. Including George Bush et al with his patriot act bullshit.

They think when the tshtf that they will be able to hide behind the law.They won't make a move until those fail safes are in place. When that happens I believe that's when the false flag will happen. I don't know what form it will take but I think we'll know when it happens.

These people are some of the shittiest cowards ever put on this planet.

I mean really, if a politician is not a terrorist then I don't know who is.

The term "terrorism" comes from Latin terrere, "to frighten." The terror cimbricus was a panic and state of emergency in Rome in response to the approach of warriors of the Cimbri tribe in 105BC. The French National Convention declared in September 1793 that "terror is the order of the day." The period 1793-94 is referred to as the regime de la terreur (Reign of Terror). Maximilien Robespierre, a leader in the French revolution proclaimed in 1794 that, “Terror is nothing other than justice, prompt, severe, inflexible.”[9] The Committee of Public Safety agents that enforced the policies of "The Terror" were referred to as "Terrorists."[10] The word "terrorism" was first recorded in English-language dictionaries in 1798 as meaning "systematic use of terror as a policy."[11] Although the Reign of Terror was imposed by the French government, in modern times "terrorism" usually refers to the killing of innocents by a private group in such a way as to create a media spectacle. This meaning originated with Russian radicals in the 1870s. Sergey Nechayev, who founded People's Retribution (Народная расправа) in 1869, described himself as a "terrorist."[12] German anarchist writer Johann Most helped popularize the modern sense of the word by dispensing "advice for terrorists" in the 1880s.[13]
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I fear for our country.

We agree that a revolution is coming but the end result is not predictable. We could very well end up with a French Revolution. The Reign of Terror that followed was far worse that the supposed bad conditions that sparked the revolution. Then that was followed by Napoleon Bonaparte. We all know what a fun guy he was.
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Whoever wrote this bill...should be arrested and charged under the Patriot Act as a threat to our Homeland Security.
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I dont think this bill will pass. It's clearly unconstitutional.
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I read over the bill just now at
[link to www.govtrack.us]

and my opinion is that the OP article was very much opinionated and speculative and therefore shouldn't be taken seriously. The bill does appear to be for cases like hurricane katrina, or earthquake or nuclear disasters but not for pro-life gun people.
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On a cop show the other day, they were trying people, in the court who had participated in a gang death, as "terrorists".

At the time, I thought that would be a way to clean up the dangerous portions of cities where people were afraid to go out at night because of "gangs".

When police know the names of the gangs and the territories of these gangs, I see no reason why we can not treat them as "terrorist" and get them off the streets to allow regular people the safety of their own neighborhoods.

However, it's going too far to label gun owners (who follow the law by properly obtaining any permit required in their city) as terrorists. They are not breaking any laws and only hurt robbers that break into their homes.
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When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not protest;
I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.

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I read over the bill just now at
[link to www.govtrack.us]

and my opinion is that the OP article was very much opinionated and speculative and therefore shouldn't be taken seriously. The bill does appear to be for cases like hurricane katrina, or earthquake or nuclear disasters but not for pro-life gun people.
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Does the bill specifically delineate this without the language of "and other"?

There is little to interpret when legislation is viewed from a legal perspective. It is written by lawyers, ffs. The bill is written with specifics, or it is not...which is it?

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Yet another example of the conversion of the Republic into an oligarchy that appears to be part of a global government that is practicing communist population control methods (government). Good luck!
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get ready for the serve america crap!!!.....gee don't dems just love us......!!!!....i like being tagged a terrorist beats being called piney woods peckerhead....
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Does anyone understand why I say this is not my government anymore, They've lost it... Totally out of control.
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Completely agreed.

Further still, they know that rank-n-file Americans will absolutely not accept their treasonous plans to destroy this country. So they are getting ready to circle the wagons, set up "camps" to detain some of us and use the police/military to kill some of us.

When will the new crystal-night (Kristallnacht) happen? This summer? This year? I'm absolutely certain it's not far off. These politicians and NWO-types are so fubar, it would not suprise me if it happened this month.