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Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On?
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 716866
7/5/2009 3:34 PM
Report abusive post | Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On?
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Vaccines do not cause autism. That was the ruling in each of three critical test cases handed down on February 12 by the U.S. Court of Federal Claims in Washington, D.C. After a decade of speculation, argument, and analysis—often filled with vitriol on both sides—the court specifically denied any link between the combination of the MMR vaccine and vaccines with thimerosal (a mercury-based preservative) and the spectrum of disorders associated with autism. But these rulings, though seemingly definitive, have done little to quell the angry debate, which has severe implications for American public health.
The idea that there is something wrong with our vaccines—that they have poisoned a generation of kids, driving an “epidemic” of autism—continues to be everywhere: on cable news, in celebrity magazines, on blogs, and in health news stories. It has had a particularly strong life on the Internet, including the heavily trafficked Huffington Post, and in pop culture, where it is supported by actors including Charlie Sheen and Jim Carrey, former Playboy playmate Jenny McCarthy, and numerous others. Despite repeated rejection by the scientific community, it has spawned a movement, led to thousands of legal claims, and even triggered occasional harassment and threats against scientists whose research appears to discredit it.
You can see where the emotion and sentiment come from. Autism can be a terrible condition, devastating to families. It can leave parents not only aggrieved but desperate to find any cure, any salvation. Medical services and behavioral therapy for severely autistic children can cost more than $100,000 a year, and these children often exhibit extremely difficult behavior. Moreover, the incidence of autism is apparently rising rapidly. Today one in every 150 children has been diagnosed on the autism spectrum; 20 years ago that statistic was one in 10,000. “Put yourself in the shoes of these parents,” says journalist David Kirby, whose best-selling 2005 book, Evidence of Harm, dramatized the vaccine-autism movement. “They have perfectly normal kids who are walking and happy and everything—and then they regress.” The irony is that vaccine skepticism—not the vaccines themselves—is now looking like the true public-health threat.
[link to discovermagazine.com] |
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joejoe
User ID: 718749
7/5/2009 3:36 PM
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so op, you're saying, mercury or (thimerosal) in the vaccines aren't harmful? who are you shilling for?
-i'm here to find truth, not to make friends. if i do happen to make some friends along the way, then all the better.
-the 2 party system is a sham. both the dems & the repubs are puppets playing for the same team. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 716866 (OP)
7/5/2009 3:38 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
so op, you're saying, mercury or (thimerosal) in the vaccines aren't harmful? who are you shilling for? Quoting: joejoe
Look, I just got 3 shots last week, and I seriously feel a lot better. I don't understand why most people think these shots are bad for you, why will they kill you? I don't understand, why would people be killing others for the fuck of it?
Are there any REAL doctors on GLP? What do you have to say about these shots? |
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joejoe
User ID: 718749
7/5/2009 3:40 PM
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so op, you're saying, mercury or (thimerosal) in the vaccines aren't harmful? who are you shilling for?
Look, I just got 3 shots last week, and I seriously feel a lot better. I don't understand why most people think these shots are bad for you, why will they kill you? I don't understand, why would people be killing others for the fuck of it?
Are there any REAL doctors on GLP? What do you have to say about these shots? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 716866
ok, it is official. you're a shill, or you're an imbecile, or you're both.
-i'm here to find truth, not to make friends. if i do happen to make some friends along the way, then all the better.
-the 2 party system is a sham. both the dems & the repubs are puppets playing for the same team. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 659821
7/5/2009 3:40 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
There have been other rulings that did not make it into MSM showing that vaccines are at fault. ;)
Who do you believe...the govt propaganda machine or... |
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joejoe
User ID: 718749
7/5/2009 3:41 PM
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so op, you're saying, mercury or (thimerosal) in the vaccines aren't harmful? who are you shilling for?
Look, I just got 3 shots last week, and I seriously feel a lot better. I don't understand why most people think these shots are bad for you, why will they kill you? I don't understand, why would people be killing others for the fuck of it?
Are there any REAL doctors on GLP? What do you have to say about these shots? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 716866
do you need a doctor to tell you that mercury is bad for you? really, do you?
-i'm here to find truth, not to make friends. if i do happen to make some friends along the way, then all the better.
-the 2 party system is a sham. both the dems & the repubs are puppets playing for the same team. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 718839
7/5/2009 3:44 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
You have access to the internet. If you research vaccines you will find they are a hoax.
Vaccines give you chronic diseases. The medical industry has no intention of curing, treatments only. Expensive life long treatments.
"You mean we get paid to give them the diseases we are latter paid to treat them for? Sweet." --George Merek |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 716866 (OP)
7/5/2009 3:52 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
You have access to the internet. If you research vaccines you will find they are a hoax.
Vaccines give you chronic diseases. The medical industry has no intention of curing, treatments only. Expensive life long treatments.
"You mean we get paid to give them the diseases we are latter paid to treat them for? Sweet." --George Merek Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718839
Disease prevention is the key to public health. It is always better to prevent a disease than to treat it. Vaccines prevent disease in the people who receive them and protect those who come into contact with unvaccinated individuals. Vaccines help prevent infectious diseases and save lives. Vaccines are responsible for the control of many infectious diseases that were once common in this country, including polio, measles, diphtheria, pertussis (whooping cough), rubella (German measles), mumps, tetanus, and Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib). |
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Jym
User ID: 718847
7/5/2009 3:54 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
personally i'm fine with the small pox and the polio vaccines and similiar ones
It's hard to deny they've worked
But on the other hand i dont agree with giving babies a few months old like 30 or 40 vaccines at the same time
I think there's pretty strong evidence that the number of autism cases increased exponentially in the late 80's when the number of vaccines increased from the 15 area to the 30+ area it is now.
If i have kids I'm going to stick with the early 80's regiment |
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joejoe
User ID: 718749
7/5/2009 3:54 PM
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Vaccines as Biological Weapons? Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries
[link to www.naturalnews.com]
enjoy your shots, you figgin' idiot.
-i'm here to find truth, not to make friends. if i do happen to make some friends along the way, then all the better.
-the 2 party system is a sham. both the dems & the repubs are puppets playing for the same team. |
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Anonymous Coward
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7/5/2009 3:57 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 573835
7/5/2009 3:57 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 612898
7/5/2009 3:58 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
It goes on because the parents of the damaged children have to live with it, that's why.
And the studies were NOT definite.
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
If a shill I am sure you are already aware of these facts.
Use your brain, do your own research, you will find a high number of researchers and doctors who lost their jobs because of their findings, that some vaccines are not safe.
Even a major researcher employed by Merck in the early days of Gardasil, (which wasn't that long ago considered the deadly thing was fast tracked), was fired and their name removed for being concerned over childrens safety. The death rate is climbing, Spain recently stopped their program over a dangerous batch.
They worship a Profit god, and sacrifice children on it;s alter daily.
My own son had a major seizure following his first MMR, he was brain damaged and now has autism.
My doctor documented it.
So Autism is not connected you say?
HAH! |
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Jym
User ID: 718847
7/5/2009 4:04 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
It goes on because the parents of the damaged children have to live with it, that's why.
And the studies were NOT definite.
[ link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
If a shill I am sure you are already aware of these facts.
Use your brain, do your own research, you will find a high number of researchers and doctors who lost their jobs because of their findings, that some vaccines are not safe.
Even a major researcher employed by Merck in the early days of Gardasil, (which wasn't that long ago considered the deadly thing was fast tracked), was fired and their name removed for being concerned over childrens safety. The death rate is climbing, Spain recently stopped their program over a dangerous batch.
They worship a Profit god, and sacrifice children on it;s alter daily.
My own son had a major seizure following his first MMR, he was brain damaged and now has autism.
My doctor documented it.
So Autism is not connected you say?
HAH!
I'm sorry to hear that.
I'm not sure what vaccine it was but I had a seizure too following 1 of my vaccines. I was born in 1985
I'm just glad my mom had found a good doctor with some sense. He didnt give me anymore vaccines after that but did all the documentation like he so there wasnt any problems when i started public school |
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nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 711198
7/5/2009 4:12 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
I don't know and it is a fascinating (and troubling) question.
The best answer I've seen yet is that you have to look not at what belief in either side of the argument offers, but what belief in the entire stance of either side offers.
And that is very simple. The anti-vaccination community describes autism as a cureable condition.
It's that simple. Mainstream science offers education and help but, ultimately, a life permanently changed by the condition.
The anti-vaccine community offers a "cure."
(Of course, they get away with it by playing on the ignorance that autism is a spectrum, and autism is most marked by developmental delay, not developmental stasis. So most autistic children will see improvement in their condition over time. And a great many will become functional members of society -- again, with time and help. So there will always be a positive change that the purveyors of quack cures can point at and take credit for. But it's like taking credit for a baby starting to talk...they do that anyway, no matter how many tapes you play for them or letter blocks you surround them with.)
The anti-vaccine community does something even more ingenious, in a way. Mainstream medicine holds that the causes of autism are largely unknown. That it is no-one's fault. (There appears to be a large genetic component but the genetics are unclear).
The anti-vaccine community makes it someone's fault. So, already, you have someone to blame. Someone to focus your anger on for the random event that struck your child. But even better....since the claim is that by taking the child to the clinic you helped them GET the autism, the fault is also yours. You were the bad parent who weren't smart enough to know how dangerous vaccines were, and it will be your fault if anyone you know or meet doesn't find out the same lesson you did.
So belief in the vaccine-autism connection is very attractive. As a movement, it also gives you community and solidarity. Plus you get to speak out against institutionalized medicine and the tyranny of the professional class -- always a good thing.
Incidentally, I'm on the spectrum myself...saw a few specialists in childhood as they were trying to decide whether to officially label me with Asberger's. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 678723
7/5/2009 4:15 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
seriously?
www.vaccinationnews.com
www.ageofautism.com
www.generationrescue.org
www.safeminds.org
go post your shillerily somewhere else. |
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joejoe
User ID: 718749
7/5/2009 4:16 PM
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Incidentally, I'm on the spectrum myself...saw a few specialists in childhood as they were trying to decide whether to officially label me with Asberger's. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 711198
so i will pose the same question again to you:
you're saying, mercury or (thimerosal) in the vaccines aren't harmful?
-i'm here to find truth, not to make friends. if i do happen to make some friends along the way, then all the better.
-the 2 party system is a sham. both the dems & the repubs are puppets playing for the same team. |
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joejoe
User ID: 718749
7/5/2009 4:16 PM
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Incidentally, I'm on the spectrum myself...saw a few specialists in childhood as they were trying to decide whether to officially label me with Asberger's. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 711198
so i will pose the same question again to you:
you're saying, mercury or (thimerosal) in the vaccines aren't harmful?
-i'm here to find truth, not to make friends. if i do happen to make some friends along the way, then all the better.
-the 2 party system is a sham. both the dems & the repubs are puppets playing for the same team. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 716866 (OP)
7/5/2009 4:17 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
You all are a bunch of Conspiracy Theorist, hope you all die from not taking your vaccines. I'm seriously feeling a lot better, and I know I'm safe for awhile until I get them done again in 10-15 years. |
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mopar28m 
Acts 2:46
User ID: 718862
7/5/2009 4:18 PM
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so op, you're saying, mercury or (thimerosal) in the vaccines aren't harmful? who are you shilling for?
Look, I just got 3 shots last week, and I seriously feel a lot better. I don't understand why most people think these shots are bad for you, why will they kill you? I don't understand, why would people be killing others for the fuck of it?
Are there any REAL doctors on GLP? What do you have to say about these shots? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 716866
This person is a shill. Somebody who obviously has NOT done their homework & is just a sheep.
Vaccines cause numerous problems in children with the neurotoxins like mercury, aluminum, polysorbate 80, SV-40. Not to mention, vaccines cause ischemic strokes as proven by a doctor with a PhD in neurology & a prof at a medical college in Georgia.
[link to brainguardmd.com]
[link to www.godthefather.us]
[link to www.takeholdthetzitzit.com]
[link to aroodawakening.ning.com]
[link to www.vaccinetruth.org]
[link to vaccinefreehealth.blogspot.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 694176
7/5/2009 4:21 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to news.bbc.co.uk]
Mercury and Aluminium are both known neurotoxins and are present in vaccines.
The two links above illustrate the consequences on human health on the accidental release into the environment. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 716866 (OP)
7/5/2009 4:22 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
Incidentally, I'm on the spectrum myself...saw a few specialists in childhood as they were trying to decide whether to officially label me with Asberger's.
so i will pose the same question again to you:
you're saying, mercury or (thimerosal) in the vaccines aren't harmful? Quoting: joejoe
Have you ever been poisoned? What is it they do to you when you have been poisoned? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 716866 (OP)
7/5/2009 4:24 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
Incidentally, I'm on the spectrum myself...saw a few specialists in childhood as they were trying to decide whether to officially label me with Asberger's.
so i will pose the same question again to you:
you're saying, mercury or (thimerosal) in the vaccines aren't harmful?
Have you ever been poisoned? What is it they do to you when you have been poisoned? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 716866
Antivenom (or antivenin or antivenene) is a biological product used in the treatment of venomous bites or stings. Antivenom is created by injecting a small amount of the targeted venom into an animal such as a horse, sheep, goat, or rabbit; the subject animal will suffer an immune response to the venom, producing antibodies against the venom's active molecule which can then be harvested from the animal's blood and used to treat envenomation in others. Internationally, antivenoms must carefully meet the standards of Pharmacopoeia and the World Health Organization (WHO). |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 716866 (OP)
7/5/2009 4:25 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
Incidentally, I'm on the spectrum myself...saw a few specialists in childhood as they were trying to decide whether to officially label me with Asberger's.
so i will pose the same question again to you:
you're saying, mercury or (thimerosal) in the vaccines aren't harmful?
Have you ever been poisoned? What is it they do to you when you have been poisoned?
Antivenom (or antivenin or antivenene) is a biological product used in the treatment of venomous bites or stings. Antivenom is created by injecting a small amount of the targeted venom into an animal such as a horse, sheep, goat, or rabbit; the subject animal will suffer an immune response to the venom, producing antibodies against the venom's active molecule which can then be harvested from the animal's blood and used to treat envenomation in others. Internationally, antivenoms must carefully meet the standards of Pharmacopoeia and the World Health Organization (WHO). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 716866
Then again, if they put too much of this anti-venom you can die, so like a man said earlier, don't take the 30+ vaccines, keep it under 10, depending on the situation. You will be fine. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 612898
7/5/2009 4:27 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
You all are a bunch of Conspiracy Theorist, hope you all die from not taking your vaccines. I'm seriously feeling a lot better, and I know I'm safe for awhile until I get them done again in 10-15 years. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 716866
Awww, the little shill sounds angry. *noted, does not play well with others*
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joejoe
User ID: 718749
7/5/2009 4:29 PM
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ok op. have fun, enjoy your shots. especially the flu shots that they don't even get right all the time. yes, that's right, they use an educated guess to decide what blend of flu shot to create, and often get it wrong, meaning that the flu shot you may get, may not help you in the slightest when the do get it wrong, and it can only hurt you.
you're obviously a shill. and not a very good one at that.
you are good at being an asshole though.
-i'm here to find truth, not to make friends. if i do happen to make some friends along the way, then all the better.
-the 2 party system is a sham. both the dems & the repubs are puppets playing for the same team. |
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mopar28m
Acts 2:46
User ID: 718862
7/5/2009 4:36 PM
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childoflight
User ID: 717171
7/5/2009 4:39 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
It is not the vaccine per se but the THIMERISOL in them which has poisoned our children with mercury and given them Autism! |
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mopar28m
Acts 2:46
User ID: 718862
7/5/2009 4:40 PM
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nomuse (NLI)
User ID: 711198
7/5/2009 7:40 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
It is not the vaccine per se but the THIMERISOL in them which has poisoned our children with mercury and given them Autism! Quoting: childoflight 717171
Better stop feeding them, then, and keep them in a bubble. There's more mercury in the environment then there is in thimerosol.
And I'm not just talking tuna. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 487397
7/5/2009 7:48 PM | | Re: Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On? | Quote |
this stuff hangs around because children are being given more and more vaccines and the incidence of autism is growing and the onset of autism coincides with the vaccines...is it a 100% correlation? maybe not. But watch a kid with autism, watch how they have to interact with a world that freaks them out almost constantly. Watch how people pity them, Watch how they will grow up and pray they can have some sort of normal existence. Be a mother with a severely disabled child and think "who will love and take care of my baby when I am gone?"
See all of these things OP, and ask yourself (after you've pulled your head out of a public health PR policy manual)if it's work the risk? |
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