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** ORIGINAL COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH MY POWER COMPANY ADMITTING TO DOUBLE CHARGING ON SMART METERS IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD ON PAGE 18

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SHR SubscriberModerator
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7/9/2009 9:24 PM
Re: ** ORIGINAL COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH MY POWER COMPANY ADMITTING TO DOUBLE CHARGING ON SMART METERS IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD ON PAGE 18Quote

and apparently they are saying if I want power from them I HAVE to take a smart meter...


They didnt say that.

They didn't really answer your question.


I'll edit the original with a black marker national security style and post the entire document for your viewing pleasure
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^

Lol...national Security style....rofl...

Hey man WTF is this? A display muliplyer? Why would that even be feature?....with settings from 1-240?....these things sound more and more like they are designed to rip people off...

From the first PDF...

6.1.4. Display Multiplier
The user has the ability to program a display multiplier. kWh values contained in the energy registers are multiplied by the display multiplier prior to being displayed in the LCD. The display multiplier does not affect the contents of the internal energy registers. If direct reading is desired on transformer rated installations, it can be accommodated via this programmable multiplier.
The display multiplier can be any value from 1 to 240.
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7/9/2009 9:26 PM
Re: ** ORIGINAL COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH MY POWER COMPANY ADMITTING TO DOUBLE CHARGING ON SMART METERS IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD ON PAGE 18Quote

Product and set up manual...I got more too...all from Landis's home site...

[link to www.landisgyr.com]



that whole "net metered" thing they keep saying means a meter designed to sell back power to the grid...

They are claiming their other regular meters don't need this "CT" programing?

I'm guessing that's a lie and EVERY ONE of their meters has been through their local programing machine and probably 50% of those have the doubling error if they only have 2 "machines" on which to program as they have indicated...

why the fuck do they have a setting that allows them to "skim" on the actual kilowatt hours anyway...

WTF??
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^

Exactly!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 722225
7/9/2009 9:32 PM
Re: ** ORIGINAL COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH MY POWER COMPANY ADMITTING TO DOUBLE CHARGING ON SMART METERS IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD ON PAGE 18Quote

Digital meters here are named ECHELON
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 701228




things that make you go hmmmm.......

isn't it the same company that listens to everyone's phone calls?

hmmm...
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7/9/2009 9:33 PM
Re: ** ORIGINAL COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH MY POWER COMPANY ADMITTING TO DOUBLE CHARGING ON SMART METERS IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD ON PAGE 18Quote

Digital meters here are named ECHELON




things that make you go hmmmm.......

isn't it the same company that listens to everyone's phone calls?

hmmm...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 722225




Yes, actually.
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7/9/2009 9:34 PM
Re: ** ORIGINAL COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH MY POWER COMPANY ADMITTING TO DOUBLE CHARGING ON SMART METERS IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD ON PAGE 18Quote

Product scheduale

[link to www.landisgyr.com]

Brochure...capabilities etc.

[link to www.landisgyr.com]

Spec sheet...not much here.

[link to www.landisgyr.com]

Communcations ability...spooky...can send to "Customer service" in 20 secs....

[link to www.landisgyr.com]

You must have missed my earlier post...

[link to www.pge.com]
Caption: Silver Spring Networks (SSN)
SmartMeter electric meter is an electric radio frequency (RF) mesh network solution. RF mesh technology allows meters and other sensing devices to access the network by securely routing data via nearby meters and relay devices. Eventually, this will be the technology used throughout our electric system. The electric system supports two-way communication between the meter and PG&E, and can be upgraded remotely providing the ability to implement future innovations.
 Quoting: Opener of the Way

I caught it...but read that PDF...this is something different...the TWACS System...that pdf reads like a millspec report about an advanced missile system...lol....

Know what the TWACS system does?....it sends the info over the existing power lines...like broadband over your electrical wires....and it appears that they can communicate with your meter and activate a PLC...unless I am wrong...that would be a Programable Logic Control...as in shut you off during peaks etc etc...

Here is some TWACS system info...the meter is designed to use this...where this company bought that option or not?...don't know.

The TWACS fixed-network solution transmits and receives metering and utility data over existing power lines and is one of the Aclara-brand AMI solutions of ESCO Technologies Inc., St. Louis.

The project, undertaken in conjunction with the utility’s net operator Sociedad Productora de Energia de San Andres y Providencia S.A. E.S.P. (SOPESA S.A.), will ultimately serve five substations, 15 feeders, and 16,300 meter services across both locations. The initial stage of the implementation will begin in 2009, followed by full deployment completion in 2010.

A major objective of the plan is to reduce technical and non-technical energy losses. In the first stage this would amount to cutting losses from 34% to 12% on two feeders. In addition, the utility wants to use the data provided by TWACS technology to eliminate estimated billing. This will significantly advance the electrical infrastructure to a state-of-the-art implementation and is expected to serve as a gateway for further deployments in Colombia.

The TWACS system offers two-way communication to electric meters and provides for timely billing, load control, demand response, and outage detection and assessment. With the system, utilities can effectively manage customer data and reduce costs while enabling innovation and providing superior customer service.

[link to tdworld.com]
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7/9/2009 9:47 PM
Re: ** ORIGINAL COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH MY POWER COMPANY ADMITTING TO DOUBLE CHARGING ON SMART METERS IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD ON PAGE 18Quote

Product scheduale

[link to www.landisgyr.com]

Brochure...capabilities etc.

[link to www.landisgyr.com]

Spec sheet...not much here.

[link to www.landisgyr.com]

Communcations ability...spooky...can send to "Customer service" in 20 secs....

[link to www.landisgyr.com]

You must have missed my earlier post...

[link to www.pge.com]
Caption: Silver Spring Networks (SSN)
SmartMeter electric meter is an electric radio frequency (RF) mesh network solution. RF mesh technology allows meters and other sensing devices to access the network by securely routing data via nearby meters and relay devices. Eventually, this will be the technology used throughout our electric system. The electric system supports two-way communication between the meter and PG&E, and can be upgraded remotely providing the ability to implement future innovations.

I caught it...but read that PDF...this is something different...the TWACS System...that pdf reads like a millspec report about an advanced missile system...lol....

Know what the TWACS system does?....it sends the info over the existing power lines...like broadband over your electrical wires....and it appears that they can communicate with your meter and activate a PLC...unless I am wrong...that would be a Programable Logic Control...as in shut you off during peaks etc etc...

Here is some TWACS system info...the meter is designed to use this...where this company bought that option or not?...don't know.

The TWACS fixed-network solution transmits and receives metering and utility data over existing power lines and is one of the Aclara-brand AMI solutions of ESCO Technologies Inc., St. Louis.

The project, undertaken in conjunction with the utility’s net operator Sociedad Productora de Energia de San Andres y Providencia S.A. E.S.P. (SOPESA S.A.), will ultimately serve five substations, 15 feeders, and 16,300 meter services across both locations. The initial stage of the implementation will begin in 2009, followed by full deployment completion in 2010.

A major objective of the plan is to reduce technical and non-technical energy losses. In the first stage this would amount to cutting losses from 34% to 12% on two feeders. In addition, the utility wants to use the data provided by TWACS technology to eliminate estimated billing. This will significantly advance the electrical infrastructure to a state-of-the-art implementation and is expected to serve as a gateway for further deployments in Colombia.

The TWACS system offers two-way communication to electric meters and provides for timely billing, load control, demand response, and outage detection and assessment. With the system, utilities can effectively manage customer data and reduce costs while enabling innovation and providing superior customer service.

[link to tdworld.com]
 Quoting: SHR

Interesting...

I guess the RF network solution is only viable in neighborhoods where houses are relatively close together and requires nodes and relays that also use the cellular network to transmit the data back to home base. This solution of course won't work where properties are isolated by distance and where a cell signal is not available.


[link to www.pge.com]
Caption: Nodes – access points and relays – are network devices for the SSN system. Access points transfer electric meter reads to PG&E’s head-end system via a cellular network. Relays receive electric meter reads via radio frequency and relay the reads to access points. Each mesh-enabled device (meters, relays) is connected to several other mesh-enabled devices, which function as signal repeaters, relaying the data to an access point. The access point device aggregates, encrypts, and sends the data back to PG&E over a commercial third-party network. The resulting RF mesh network can span large distances and reliably transmit data over rough or difficult terrain. If a meter or other transmitter drops out of the network, its neighbors find another route. Capacity can be increased by simply adding more nodes. In this regard, the RF mesh network functions much like the Internet. The mesh continually optimizes routing to ensure information is passed from its source to its destination (i.e. an access point) as quickly and efficiently as possible.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 722225
7/9/2009 9:47 PM
Re: ** ORIGINAL COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH MY POWER COMPANY ADMITTING TO DOUBLE CHARGING ON SMART METERS IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD ON PAGE 18Quote

Digital meters here are named ECHELON




things that make you go hmmmm.......

isn't it the same company that listens to everyone's phone calls?

hmmm...




Yes, actually.
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


so they are spying on everyone now, globally;

whether by internet,listening to calls, hard line, public, cell or looking at the power usage - you can tell almost exactly who is doing what, when and how based on the power used

I wonder if they will come up with something "smart" for gas usage

this is sick
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 722225
7/9/2009 9:51 PM
Re: ** ORIGINAL COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH MY POWER COMPANY ADMITTING TO DOUBLE CHARGING ON SMART METERS IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD ON PAGE 18Quote

and apparently they are saying if I want power from them I HAVE to take a smart meter...


They didnt say that.

They didn't really answer your question.


I'll edit the original with a black marker national security style and post the entire document for your viewing pleasure



Forgot to say Trinity - you may also want to talk to the US Attorney's office directly after speaking with your counsil, or follow his/her advice.

You might need "whistleblower" protection.



Start a radioshow, make youtubevideos like the end is nigh and bullhorn the power company.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 721977



I would not do it just yet and give away all my munition, check with a "counselor" Trin before you go all out public

.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 716214
7/9/2009 9:56 PM
Re: ** ORIGINAL COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH MY POWER COMPANY ADMITTING TO DOUBLE CHARGING ON SMART METERS IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD ON PAGE 18Quote

so is there any way to disable the invasive parts of this meter without disrupting power?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 662468
7/9/2009 9:58 PM
Re: ** ORIGINAL COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH MY POWER COMPANY ADMITTING TO DOUBLE CHARGING ON SMART METERS IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD ON PAGE 18Quote

My monthly kilowatt usage was 2750 last month

They put this new meter on my house tuesday and so far it says I've used 900 kilowatt hours!

It's been less than a week!

That means I'm gonna be DOUBLE the usage I was on the old meter

This is total bullshit

I have to get over to full solar ASAP
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


can I say I told you so assholes !

www.arkresearch.com
bornprayed4knowledge​
User ID: 515279
7/9/2009 10:00 PM
Re: ** ORIGINAL COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH MY POWER COMPANY ADMITTING TO DOUBLE CHARGING ON SMART METERS IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD ON PAGE 18Quote

they doubled everyone eletric bill even those on natural gas for heat 2 years ago because there was a spill

its all good thnk god cap and trade is going to happen there building a 3 trillion dollar coal burning plant for power will be the largest in america i am so glad my tax money is building that to while they tax us to get clean energy amongst this depression trinity if u are apart of the human race look into the vcarbon lie your ass and all of huminaty are paying for it
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7/9/2009 10:04 PM
Re: ** ORIGINAL COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH MY POWER COMPANY ADMITTING TO DOUBLE CHARGING ON SMART METERS IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD ON PAGE 18Quote

I'm scanning the black lined original document for you guys now...

I'll have it up in a few mins...
Few will listen,
Of the few who listen, fewer still will understand,
Understanding does not mean believe,
Of the handful who believe, most may not know what to do,
Those who even know, how many will actually do ?
And the rare ones who have done it.......
Need not listen to you anymore.
bornprayed4knowledge​
User ID: 515279
7/9/2009 10:10 PM
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hey trin trin ill bring u pictures back its the largerst coal burning power plant in the world i went to get a job its government ill post it all if u want there resume that company bragging about building nk and all its a 3 trillion dollar plant will be done in 5 years but in the mean time we need to be taxed more because we use coal?
bornprayed4knowledge​
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7/9/2009 10:12 PM
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oh btw to hold a flsg there on the side of the road pays 20 dollars a hour full benefits and college credits\
bornprayed4knowledge​
User ID: 515279
7/9/2009 10:13 PM
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thnk god we have clean energy
bornprayed4knowledge​
User ID: 515279
7/9/2009 10:17 PM
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oh trin trin look up McGlothlin,2,they spent 750 million i spent 3 years laying tile there there marble driveway cost them 5 million dollars thnk god bush al gore obame is for clean energy i love americia the biggest loser is the consumer
bornprayed4knowledge​
User ID: 515279
7/9/2009 10:21 PM
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whats it all about really that plant makes energy from the sun animals humans make energy from food ahh if only we could chargr gods creations to make there on life
Anonymous Coward
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7/9/2009 10:24 PM
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Man, do you know what punctuation is? I like your stuff, but it's a bunch of run on sentences. ;)
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7/9/2009 10:24 PM
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O.K.

Here is a link to the original report in .pdf format...

It's a 25 meg file... sorry about that...

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Please everyone who is interested have a read and let me know your comments..

It clearly admits to the doubling of metered kilowatt hours on 2 out of the box smart meters but then tries to explain it as a freak thing that only affected me and one other guy on their system...

Please give me your input on this report..

Thanks

Last Edited by ^TrInItY^ on 7/9/2009 at 10:30 PM
Few will listen,
Of the few who listen, fewer still will understand,
Understanding does not mean believe,
Of the handful who believe, most may not know what to do,
Those who even know, how many will actually do ?
And the rare ones who have done it.......
Need not listen to you anymore.
bornprayed4knowledge​
User ID: 515279
7/9/2009 10:27 PM
Re: ** ORIGINAL COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH MY POWER COMPANY ADMITTING TO DOUBLE CHARGING ON SMART METERS IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD ON PAGE 18Quote

sorry just being dumb with info commercials sucks for me to get what i see across, now tell me to figure how much man hours and material it will take to do a building of such and such area , thats my strong point sorry i figure turn it into common sence then fucking get err done
bornprayed4knowledge​
User ID: 515279
7/9/2009 10:31 PM
Re: ** ORIGINAL COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH MY POWER COMPANY ADMITTING TO DOUBLE CHARGING ON SMART METERS IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD ON PAGE 18Quote

but what u guys are not looking at is why is cap and trade coming about when over half doesnt have jobs and now we are paying for the bailouts i can prove to you that power companies have duobled there prices and are not going to give alternative fuels obama set a deal with coal is that clean? 3 trillion dollars to build the largest coal burning plant in history and u are paying for because you polute?
Anonymous Coward
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7/9/2009 10:33 PM
Re: ** ORIGINAL COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH MY POWER COMPANY ADMITTING TO DOUBLE CHARGING ON SMART METERS IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD ON PAGE 18Quote

O.K.

Here is a link to the original report in .pdf format...

It's a 25 meg file... sorry about that...

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Please everyone who is interested have a read and let me know your comments..

It clearly admits to the double charging on 2 out of the box smart meters but then tries to explain it as a freak thing that only affected me...

Please give me your input on this report..

Thanks
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^

Government will never admit wrongdoing. I am amazed you got this much out of them. In the good old days of real journalism, the press was the only dog to keep government in check: the watch dog. Lately it is a lapdog.

Even so, I believe your next move is to take it public. Go to a local paper. E-mail a consumer affairs or business or tech reporter with tidbits of what happened in a concise summary (though not too technical, reporters aren't that tech savvy). If they show no interest, then the local weekly. Even if someone does a small story and even if it isn't terribly accurate or favorable a story starts the ball rolling and the pressure builds from there. Think, rather than atom bomb, drip-drip-drip, water eventually wears away stone.
Anonymous Coward
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7/9/2009 10:34 PM
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I've never heard of this giant coal plant, that sounds really bad for the environment. Do you have any links for this?

Whats really stupid about this cap and trade is that it paints Americans to be heavy polluters while it fails to mention China and a few other nations that are 10x worse than us. Cap and Trade is obviously NOT ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AT ALL!
bornprayed4knowledge​
User ID: 515279
7/9/2009 10:37 PM
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and trin trin u are right it is not just smart meters its also across the board here my eletic bill went from 50 dollars a month to 200 and i use nature gas they came out on the local news it was because we had a spill and we have to pay for it alot went without power here when u live in a state of over 75 percent makes a annual income of 25,000 a year yeah double your electric bil;l
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 722262
7/9/2009 10:38 PM
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I think I know what they were trying to do. Because you have alternate power, they went out there that many times to try and figure out how much you can get by without their juice. They then decided to charge you double, thinking that you would be using your own power along with theirs. Your actually usage would have dropped by half, but with the multiplier, your bill would have remained the same!

They probably figured that you would not have noticed, ha!
bornprayed4knowledge​
User ID: 515279
7/9/2009 10:38 PM
Re: ** ORIGINAL COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH MY POWER COMPANY ADMITTING TO DOUBLE CHARGING ON SMART METERS IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD ON PAGE 18Quote

oh yeah i can give you pictured if u like and go with a youtube video\
bornprayed4knowledge​
User ID: 515279
7/9/2009 10:39 PM
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so after the earth being here since god said it be so we need to build a coal burning power plant to funnel your money into
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 721977
7/9/2009 10:40 PM
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Government will never admit wrongdoing. I am amazed you got this much out of them. In the good old days of real journalism, the press was the only dog to keep government in check: the watch dog. Lately it is a lapdog.

Even so, I believe your next move is to take it public. Go to a local paper. E-mail a consumer affairs or business or tech reporter with tidbits of what happened in a concise summary (though not too technical, reporters aren't that tech savvy). If they show no interest, then the local weekly. Even if someone does a small story and even if it isn't terribly accurate or favorable a story starts the ball rolling and the pressure builds from there. Think, rather than atom bomb, drip-drip-drip, water eventually wears away stone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 719657



Well...its the signs of the times innit...

the more light that arrives here...the more visible the shadows become...
bornprayed4knowledge​
User ID: 515279
7/9/2009 10:41 PM
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just look in the news they have broke ground since obama got elected its in sw VA
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 374095
7/9/2009 10:41 PM
Re: ** ORIGINAL COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH MY POWER COMPANY ADMITTING TO DOUBLE CHARGING ON SMART METERS IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD ON PAGE 18Quote

O.K.

Here is a link to the original report in .pdf format...

It's a 25 meg file... sorry about that...

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Please everyone who is interested have a read and let me know your comments..

It clearly admits to the doubling of metered kilowatt hours on 2 out of the box smart meters but then tries to explain it as a freak thing that only affected me and one other guy on their system...

Please give me your input on this report..

Thanks
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Did you get any feed back from your electricians testing their meters.

Seems to coincidental that two meters tested corrupted.

I think this should be brought to the light of day.
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