Did you get any feed back from your electricians testing their meters.
Seems to coincidental that two meters tested corrupted.
I think this should be brought to the light of day.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 374095
nope my damn electrician hasn't called me back yet
I'm guessing he hasn't had time to do his test yet... Few will listen,
Of the few who listen, fewer still will understand,
Understanding does not mean believe,
Of the handful who believe, most may not know what to do,
Those who even know, how many will actually do ?
And the rare ones who have done it.......
Need not listen to you anymore.
Hi Trin, I've popped in on your evil meter threads (waiting for it to come to my town), didn't read them all and maybe this is a stupid question, sorry if this has already been addressed, but did you call your mayor?
This data is bad enough in terms of invasion of privacy, but I suppose it's the natural progression...Look at your usage data for being online, for your telephone, for your buyers club at the big box store, etc..
However, what's the real issue here is the fact that they have committed fraud. They have committed fraud, pure and simple.
They know they have committed fraud, and you can bet your left nut that they are scrambling behind the scenes on damage control. BET ON IT! I know, I work for a telephone company and have dealt with similar fraudulent billing issues, only I was a technical person who found out about the deeds in a round-about way.
Either they'll be stand up, honest people and correct their wrong doings, as well as the potential other customers, or they'll try to sweep all this under the rug, which happens with utilities, as I've witnessed. Although I work for a very large company, I don't doubt the same procedures are at work here:
Analyze the legal liabilities, consult legal department.
Assess cost of litigation versus losses to actually credit customers for alleged fraud.
There will be a cold, calculated business decision based on that, and I think you are the wrench in the works, so to speak.
The fact that you are getting the unexpected co-operation ( by me at least) tells me that you might be dealing with an honest mistake, but not to dismiss the blatant disregard for doing honest business. It truly is probably more than border line criminal, and I'm sure some attorney is conveying that concept...LOL!
Good job!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 722129
This is the way ALL companies do ""business". This is also the reason that NO corporation should be given the status of a "person" under the law. They are SOCIOPATHS, ALL OF THEM.
I used to work for a corporation that owned and operated methadone clinics. It was owned, ironically enough, by an active alcoholic. They're philosophy was quite simply that if you got caught doing illegal things and fined that it was the "cost of doing business." They were busted by MediCal while I was there and fined several million dollars. Among other illegal things they were pulling a scam and billing MediCal for "nutritional therapy" on clients and collecting around $25 a shot for dispensing a cellophane packet of vitamins to each person that they would pick up by the box at CostCo for pennies.
Corporations are disgusting.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 664448 7/9/2009 10:48 PM
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Focus is the software in charge of communication and reading.
Look at the CT component on page 22
Quoting: St-Pinker
awesome dude
thanks very much for this! Few will listen,
Of the few who listen, fewer still will understand,
Understanding does not mean believe,
Of the handful who believe, most may not know what to do,
Those who even know, how many will actually do ?
And the rare ones who have done it.......
Need not listen to you anymore.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 186317 7/9/2009 11:09 PM
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I'm pretty mellow but I called my city when the damn subcontractors for the electric company came and cut down large tree branches in my yard. Left trash, pulled out flowers, and trashed my veggie garden.
Their response was that they would refer it to the law director.
Of course talk is cheap...I've had no followup yet. But like me, you are not the only one to get that new smart meter and have problems with it.
h
Anonymous Coward User ID: 634619 7/9/2009 11:27 PM
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Please everyone who is interested have a read and let me know your comments..
It clearly admits to the doubling of metered kilowatt hours on 2 out of the box smart meters but then tries to explain it as a freak thing that only affected me and one other guy on their system...
Please give me your input on this report..
Thanks
Quoting: ^TrInItY^
Alright-y. I am going to use this and ask for the same testing. I don't even want to blow what's left of my night by getting started on what I have been through and how I have been treated, not to mention them turning me off when I have a medically fragile cancer patient here. I just cannot believe that this world has gotten this sick. I mean, we can't even try to be nice people anymore for constantly defending our home and self. I feel like.....never mind. It is not worth getting upset again this late. Anyways, thanks so much Trinity, I think it was very nice for you to have helped us while trying to take care of your business also.
I am following this thread with eyes wide open, for the day they want me to take one of these "smart" meters..................excellent work Trin "If you can't speak freely, you're simply not free" - Montagraph
"Truth does not fear investigation" - Clear Eyes
Anonymous Coward User ID: 686422 7/10/2009 12:32 AM
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Did you get any feed back from your electricians testing their meters.
Seems to coincidental that two meters tested corrupted.
I think this should be brought to the light of day.
nope my damn electrician hasn't called me back yet
I'm guessing he hasn't had time to do his test yet...
Quoting: ^TrInItY^
Trinity your electrician is really pissing me off. First he shows late for a very important meeting and now he hasn't checked himself out. What is wrong with this guy? Time to get a new electrician.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 722318 7/10/2009 12:38 AM
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WOW!!! I would get this shit to the local newspapers ASAP! That is incredible! Imagine all the people who are getting screwed and dont know their multiplier is set to 2 on "error" haha
Please everyone who is interested have a read and let me know your comments..
It clearly admits to the doubling of metered kilowatt hours on 2 out of the box smart meters but then tries to explain it as a freak thing that only affected me and one other guy on their system...
Please give me your input on this report..
Thanks
Quoting: ^TrInItY^
Hey Trin. I don't see no signatures from the Chelco representative? I suppose a letter head is a good start, but I think a signature from the guy you are talking too is essential in a court of law.
Blackcrow.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 601846 7/10/2009 1:17 AM
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Strange, there doesn't seem to be many other people having these same issues with their smart meters. A google search doesn't show many people having issues.
I did however find this one guy:
PGE customer questions intelligence of new smart meters
Daily electricity at his 864-square-foot house spiked by almost half in September. In October, it doubled compared with the previous year.
and most interestingly, and what has been repeated here without enough importance:
The advanced meters can communicate with the utility via a two-way transmitter for remote service provisioning, monitoring and billing. Automated meter reading will shave costs over time, and PGE promises a host of energy saving programs in the future.
The utility predicts it will eventually be able to remotely control customer appliances, reducing peak demand by turning down an air conditioner, or shifting customer use to off-peak periods when power costs less.
The one common thread among all of the networking options is the need for power. While a wireless solution may indeed shun wires, its access point is still going to be plugged in at some point. That power cord, for example, can tie the wireless network into the home's overarching power-line network.
Please everyone who is interested have a read and let me know your comments..
It clearly admits to the doubling of metered kilowatt hours on 2 out of the box smart meters but then tries to explain it as a freak thing that only affected me and one other guy on their system...
Please give me your input on this report..
Thanks
Quoting: ^TrInItY^
Been following this entire thread.
Couldn't get the .pdf file to load up.
So, you have the co-op's assurances that ONLY you and one other customer on the system were affected.
Only 2 individuals and 3 units total, and no others.
Are they certain? They seem to be as they have provided this information to you in writing as fact.
If you have that written assurance, and 1 other person (who is not the "other guy") finds a problem with their meter, well then ...
And I wouldn't stop at having just the electrician test his meter, as that is the first meter I would "fix" if I knew that he (one with a specific skill set, and now motive) was privy to all the things that have occurred with your meters.
Are there any "other meters" that may be suitable for some "random testing" by an "independent, honest, non-biased" company?
"Long live the fighters!"
Peace.
first nations son User ID: 720274 7/10/2009 2:57 AM
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Would it do any good to circulate a petition and present it to the state utilities commission? Or maybe class action it with some attorney eager to make a name for himself. Don't know how true it is but was told by a meter reader once that he knew of people who placed a fair sized magnet next to their meter and it drastically reduced the numbers.
The spooky thing here is the remote control of usage.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 716214 7/10/2009 3:51 AM
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Would it do any good to circulate a petition and present it to the state utilities commission? Or maybe class action it with some attorney eager to make a name for himself. Don't know how true it is but was told by a meter reader once that he knew of people who placed a fair sized magnet next to their meter and it drastically reduced the numbers.
The spooky thing here is the remote control of usage.
Quoting: first nations son 720274
how big is "fair-sized"?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 720314 7/10/2009 3:52 AM
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Strange, there doesn't seem to be many other people having these same issues with their smart meters. A google search doesn't show many people having issues.
Quoting: TreeNode
LOL...Dude, there is a class action lawsuit in TX over the smart meters. THOUSANDS took to town hall meetings, got local and state officials involved, media, etc. I know, I was one of those citizens. This is not an isolated case.
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