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What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology?
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wingedlion/whiterider
User ID: 719723
7/6/2009 6:25 PM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
the last few pages in The Book Of Revelation explains alot about this .
The pronouncement of the Morning Star in the final chapter of Revelation, must be a real thorn in the side of the even the most ardent Christian.
Why?
Are you familiar with 'morning star' symbolism...including Babylonian, Luciferian and even the Old Testament?
To do with Venus you mean?
Venus is an inferior planet...meaning that we'll never see it high in the night sky...Venus is the Morning Star.
Ok, but i still don't understand what you mean about a thorn in the side, sorry. I've also heard Venus called the evening star too.
Because the morning star is one of the most significant and enduring symbols of astronomy.
Sorry OP, that doesn't answer my question. Why would it be a thorn in the side to a Christian who believes God created the planets and stars and placed them in the heavens in their pictures (the zodaic/Mazzaroth), regardless of what man decided to name them?
No need to be sorry.
Because the Revelation, and therefore the entire New Testament doesn't reconcile with the Old Testament, specfically, the Book of Isiah.
Are you talking about "Lucifer, son of the morning"? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 635776
Sorry, Lucifer lost that title when he fell from Heaven, now his title is Satan, Prince of Darkness. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 718235
7/6/2009 6:28 PM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
the last few pages in The Book Of Revelation explains alot about this .
The pronouncement of the Morning Star in the final chapter of Revelation, must be a real thorn in the side of the even the most ardent Christian.
Why?
Are you familiar with 'morning star' symbolism...including Babylonian, Luciferian and even the Old Testament?
To do with Venus you mean?
Venus is an inferior planet...meaning that we'll never see it high in the night sky...Venus is the Morning Star.
Ok, but i still don't understand what you mean about a thorn in the side, sorry. I've also heard Venus called the evening star too.
Because the morning star is one of the most significant and enduring symbols of astronomy.
Sorry OP, that doesn't answer my question. Why would it be a thorn in the side to a Christian who believes God created the planets and stars and placed them in the heavens in their pictures (the zodaic/Mazzaroth), regardless of what man decided to name them?
No need to be sorry.
Because the Revelation, and therefore the entire New Testament doesn't reconcile with the Old Testament, specfically, the Book of Isiah.
Are you talking about "Lucifer, son of the morning"?
Sorry, Lucifer lost that title when he fell from Heaven, now his title is Satan, Prince of Darkness. Quoting: wingedlion/whiterider 719723
Do you realise how silly that sounds? |
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wingedlion/whiterider
User ID: 719723
7/6/2009 6:29 PM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
the last few pages in The Book Of Revelation explains alot about this .
The pronouncement of the Morning Star in the final chapter of Revelation, must be a real thorn in the side of the even the most ardent Christian.
Why?
Are you familiar with 'morning star' symbolism...including Babylonian, Luciferian and even the Old Testament?
To do with Venus you mean?
Venus is an inferior planet...meaning that we'll never see it high in the night sky...Venus is the Morning Star.
Ok, but i still don't understand what you mean about a thorn in the side, sorry. I've also heard Venus called the evening star too.
Because the morning star is one of the most significant and enduring symbols of astronomy.
Sorry OP, that doesn't answer my question. Why would it be a thorn in the side to a Christian who believes God created the planets and stars and placed them in the heavens in their pictures (the zodaic/Mazzaroth), regardless of what man decided to name them?
No need to be sorry.
Because the Revelation, and therefore the entire New Testament doesn't reconcile with the Old Testament, specfically, the Book of Isiah.
Are you talking about "Lucifer, son of the morning"?
Sorry, Lucifer lost that title when he fell from Heaven, now his title is Satan, Prince of Darkness.
Do you realise how silly that sounds? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718235
Only to fools who reject the truth. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 719688
7/6/2009 6:32 PM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
the last few pages in The Book Of Revelation explains alot about this .
The pronouncement of the Morning Star in the final chapter of Revelation, must be a real thorn in the side of the even the most ardent Christian.
Why?
Are you familiar with 'morning star' symbolism...including Babylonian, Luciferian and even the Old Testament?
To do with Venus you mean?
Venus is an inferior planet...meaning that we'll never see it high in the night sky...Venus is the Morning Star.
Ok, but i still don't understand what you mean about a thorn in the side, sorry. I've also heard Venus called the evening star too.
Because the morning star is one of the most significant and enduring symbols of astronomy.
Sorry OP, that doesn't answer my question. Why would it be a thorn in the side to a Christian who believes God created the planets and stars and placed them in the heavens in their pictures (the zodaic/Mazzaroth), regardless of what man decided to name them?
No need to be sorry.
Because the Revelation, and therefore the entire New Testament doesn't reconcile with the Old Testament, specfically, the Book of Isiah.
Are you talking about "Lucifer, son of the morning"?
Sorry, Lucifer lost that title when he fell from Heaven, now his title is Satan, Prince of Darkness. Quoting: wingedlion/whiterider 719723
Lies are prohibited in this thread.
Heylel is the son of Shachar; he is the nephew of Shalim (root of Salem as in Jerusalem).
Shachar is the Canaanite god of dawn, hence Heylel/Lucifer is known as Son of Dawn.
Shalim is the god of dusk.
Need I say more?
Firstly: Don't assume that which you do not fully understand yourself to be a falsehood.
You have some way to reconcile a detested mortal phenomenon -- cursed for destroying ancient native civilizations, -- with your comments that this Heylel was good for the world?
Really? I thought it was he who helped bring about much of the beauty and allowed for the dream like consciousness and some of the utmost beauty of antiquity.
Are you now fleeing from him? I find that hard to believe coming from you. :-)
12 How art thou fallen [], Heylel, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, [Heylel] which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcass trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
21 Prepare slaughter for his [Heylel's] children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
If only the Israelites listened to Isaiah !
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 718235
7/6/2009 6:35 PM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
the last few pages in The Book Of Revelation explains alot about this .
The pronouncement of the Morning Star in the final chapter of Revelation, must be a real thorn in the side of the even the most ardent Christian.
Why?
Are you familiar with 'morning star' symbolism...including Babylonian, Luciferian and even the Old Testament?
To do with Venus you mean?
Venus is an inferior planet...meaning that we'll never see it high in the night sky...Venus is the Morning Star.
Ok, but i still don't understand what you mean about a thorn in the side, sorry. I've also heard Venus called the evening star too.
Because the morning star is one of the most significant and enduring symbols of astronomy.
Sorry OP, that doesn't answer my question. Why would it be a thorn in the side to a Christian who believes God created the planets and stars and placed them in the heavens in their pictures (the zodaic/Mazzaroth), regardless of what man decided to name them?
No need to be sorry.
Because the Revelation, and therefore the entire New Testament doesn't reconcile with the Old Testament, specfically, the Book of Isiah.
Are you talking about "Lucifer, son of the morning"?
Sorry, Lucifer lost that title when he fell from Heaven, now his title is Satan, Prince of Darkness.
Do you realise how silly that sounds?
Only to fools who reject the truth. Quoting: wingedlion/whiterider 719723
Have you ever considered writing childrens books on monsters and goblins? I think you would be good at it. You may even scare them a bit...but you're not going to scare anyone here with your stuff. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 715001 (OP)
7/7/2009 6:53 AM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
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Lotus Feet 
The Paraclete, Interpreter of the law
User ID: 602386
7/7/2009 7:03 AM
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Revelation is based on previous prophecies.
Lotus
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 716321
7/7/2009 7:09 AM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
What would happen is that the person who writes all the horoscopes for the newspapers will go to Rome and see the pope in the Vatican. Then they'll have a rumble, probably like on West Side Story. Since the horoscope dude's mojo will be bigger than the pope's, the horoscope dude will win. Then he'll take over the pope's job and get to live at the vatican, as the rules state.
Some people will be upset at first, but once they find out that instead of those long preachy sermons, they'll just have to listen to a few horoscopes, they'll most likely get over it.
Gemini, thou shalt not eat pork on friday. No, not even bacon. Aries, this is a good week for tithing. Saggitarius, you too with the tithing. Good week for it. Virgo, Aquarius, and Libra, I'll see you ladies in the vestibule after the horoscope readings. Rowwwrrrr!! Cancer, the alignment of Jupiter and Saturn make this a good time for large bets on the bingo. Not the pokies or the lottery but, just the bingo. Oh and a reminder, bingo Wednesday night here in the Astrology Hall. I don't really have time for the other signs, because Virgo, Aquarius, and Libra are out the back now. I don't want them to start without me, so the rest of you signs, ummm..., the stars look fabulous for making big donations to astrology hall! See you next week! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 718938
7/7/2009 7:15 AM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
i believe God uses the sun moon and stars to show us his timing and for signs of times. the bible is riddled with them and i think that is one of the coolest things about our God.
no tarot cards please. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 718235
7/7/2009 7:25 AM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
Revelation is based on previous prophecies.
Lotus Quoting: Lotus Feet
That was refreshingly short...thanks for your opinion Lotus. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 718235
7/7/2009 7:27 AM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
i believe God uses the sun moon and stars to show us his timing and for signs of times. the bible is riddled with them and i think that is one of the coolest things about our God.
no tarot cards please. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718938
Is there a chance that 'God' IS the sun, moon and the stars? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 720107
7/7/2009 7:44 AM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 701321
here you go:
[link to www.youtube.com]
Anytime that happens, you can hit the quote box, like you are going to post a reply. The address of the link is shown and you can copy and paste it in the address bar. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 720107
7/7/2009 7:45 AM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
Oops. I forgot it would also convert the link again to the vid. Anyway do as I said and it will take you to the original link. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 720107
7/7/2009 7:50 AM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
Here's one for you. It's more understandable, imo that the one posted:
[link to www.youtube.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 715001 (OP)
7/7/2009 7:57 AM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720107
Thanks for the tip...although I don't think Zeitgeist talks about the Revelation specifically. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 713291
7/7/2009 11:14 AM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 720131
7/7/2009 11:30 AM | |
wingedlion/whiterider
User ID: 720224
7/7/2009 11:34 AM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
the last few pages in The Book Of Revelation explains alot about this .
The pronouncement of the Morning Star in the final chapter of Revelation, must be a real thorn in the side of the even the most ardent Christian.
Why?
Are you familiar with 'morning star' symbolism...including Babylonian, Luciferian and even the Old Testament?
To do with Venus you mean?
Venus is an inferior planet...meaning that we'll never see it high in the night sky...Venus is the Morning Star.
Ok, but i still don't understand what you mean about a thorn in the side, sorry. I've also heard Venus called the evening star too.
Because the morning star is one of the most significant and enduring symbols of astronomy.
Sorry OP, that doesn't answer my question. Why would it be a thorn in the side to a Christian who believes God created the planets and stars and placed them in the heavens in their pictures (the zodaic/Mazzaroth), regardless of what man decided to name them?
No need to be sorry.
Because the Revelation, and therefore the entire New Testament doesn't reconcile with the Old Testament, specfically, the Book of Isiah.
Are you talking about "Lucifer, son of the morning"?
Sorry, Lucifer lost that title when he fell from Heaven, now his title is Satan, Prince of Darkness.
Do you realise how silly that sounds?
Only to fools who reject the truth.
Have you ever considered writing childrens books on monsters and goblins? I think you would be good at it. You may even scare them a bit...but you're not going to scare anyone here with your stuff. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718235
I'm too busy changing the world by changing the higher realms. Maybe that is why the elite are afraid of me and ignorant fools try to hide their fear by denial. |
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wingedlion/whiterider
User ID: 720224
7/7/2009 11:36 AM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
Revelation is based on previous prophecies.
Lotus Quoting: Lotus Feet
FALSE! Revelation was based upon a spiritual excursion into the higher realms by the Apostle John. I'm surprised you would make such a retarded statement like this. I thought you were more enlightened than that. |
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Intruth
User ID: 586863
7/7/2009 11:52 AM
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I did not understand the video much but the music was awsome. Who is that?
David Flynn gets into this subject in this video series.
Here is a link to part 1 of 10. I just happened to watch it last night. It is pretty good.
2012 year of resurrection (1 of 10)
[link to www.youtube.com]
Last Edited by Intruth on 7/7/2009 at 11:55 AM |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 715001 (OP)
7/7/2009 5:42 PM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
I did not understand the video much but the music was awsome. Who is that?
David Flynn gets into this subject in this video series.
Here is a link to part 1 of 10. I just happened to watch it last night. It is pretty good.
2012 year of resurrection (1 of 10)
[ link to www.youtube.com]
The key is to find the most obscure soundtracks possible...this helps with Youtube longevity.
:) |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 715001 (OP)
7/7/2009 5:48 PM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
the last few pages in The Book Of Revelation explains alot about this .
The pronouncement of the Morning Star in the final chapter of Revelation, must be a real thorn in the side of the even the most ardent Christian.
Why?
Are you familiar with 'morning star' symbolism...including Babylonian, Luciferian and even the Old Testament?
To do with Venus you mean?
Venus is an inferior planet...meaning that we'll never see it high in the night sky...Venus is the Morning Star.
Ok, but i still don't understand what you mean about a thorn in the side, sorry. I've also heard Venus called the evening star too.
Because the morning star is one of the most significant and enduring symbols of astronomy.
Sorry OP, that doesn't answer my question. Why would it be a thorn in the side to a Christian who believes God created the planets and stars and placed them in the heavens in their pictures (the zodaic/Mazzaroth), regardless of what man decided to name them?
No need to be sorry.
Because the Revelation, and therefore the entire New Testament doesn't reconcile with the Old Testament, specfically, the Book of Isiah.
Are you talking about "Lucifer, son of the morning"?
Sorry, Lucifer lost that title when he fell from Heaven, now his title is Satan, Prince of Darkness.
Do you realise how silly that sounds?
Only to fools who reject the truth.
Have you ever considered writing childrens books on monsters and goblins? I think you would be good at it. You may even scare them a bit...but you're not going to scare anyone here with your stuff.
I'm too busy changing the world by changing the higher realms. Maybe that is why the elite are afraid of me and ignorant fools try to hide their fear by denial. Quoting: wingedlion/whiterider 720224
Ah...The Elite...another evil character you can put in your childrens book, next to Lucifer, the Devil, Satan...
There is no us and them...it's just us, all of us.
I have seen the enemy, and he is us.
Pogo
When you finish shadow boxing, get down to work and write that book, my kids are waiting. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 715001 (OP)
7/7/2009 6:59 PM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720131
Thanks for the info.
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Grumpy Scribe
User ID: 720612
7/7/2009 9:25 PM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
Luke's Gospel calls the Wise Men from the east "astrologers"
What's the big deal?
It's only when astrology becomes a demonic parody of the true message of Jesus Christ that it becomes very suspicious as a source for anything reliable
Grumpy Scribe in Bluestateville MA (groan) |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 720739
7/8/2009 1:17 AM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 715001 (OP)
7/8/2009 4:13 AM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
Luke's Gospel calls the Wise Men from the east "astrologers"
What's the big deal?
It's only when astrology becomes a demonic parody of the true message of Jesus Christ that it becomes very suspicious as a source for anything reliable Quoting: Grumpy Scribe
No problem at all...who are these new-age Christers...a rare breed indeed. |
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Grumpy Scribe
User ID: 721235
7/8/2009 5:31 PM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
Let's not get carried away here. OK? I didn't say I was a new ager at all.
My favorite radio guy, Dennis Prager, like me (and Savage by the way) a former liberal looney says there are today three ideologies in the world: Judeo Christian; secular humanist; and Muslim.
The new age folks rubbing crystals, burning bats' wings, and celebrating the solstice in Salem are definitely in the middle category/
Grumpy Scribe in Bluestateville MA (groan) |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 721341
7/8/2009 7:32 PM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
Let's not get carried away here. OK? I didn't say I was a new ager at all.
My favorite radio guy, Dennis Prager, like me (and Savage by the way) a former liberal looney says there are today three ideologies in the world: Judeo Christian; secular humanist; and Muslim.
The new age folks rubbing crystals, burning bats' wings, and celebrating the solstice in Salem are definitely in the middle category/ Quoting: Grumpy Scribe
lol. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 715001 (OP)
7/9/2009 2:52 AM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
Let's not get carried away here. OK? I didn't say I was a new ager at all.
My favorite radio guy, Dennis Prager, like me (and Savage by the way) a former liberal looney says there are today three ideologies in the world: Judeo Christian; secular humanist; and Muslim.
The new age folks rubbing crystals, burning bats' wings, and celebrating the solstice in Salem are definitely in the middle category/ Quoting: Grumpy Scribe
Ha...bloody secular humanist...you can't trust em...lol |
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qNopcrSN
User ID: 800250
10/22/2009 3:59 PM | | Re: What Would Happen To Religion If The Book of Revelation Was Actually Based on Astrology? | Quote |
Unless Duke has the integrity to actually cite their sources, this is useless as information. , |
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