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Debate on Cap and Trade Bill Happening Now
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 718263
 United States
7/7/2009 5:42 PM | | Re: Debate on Cap and Trade Bill Happening Now | Quote |
DOES TURTLE KNOW?
;) |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 718812
United States
7/7/2009 5:43 PM | | Re: Debate on Cap and Trade Bill Happening Now | Quote |
Well, I guess that's that. Quoting: Turtles Know
Did it pass? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 718263
United States
7/7/2009 5:48 PM | | Re: Debate on Cap and Trade Bill Happening Now | Quote |
This was just a debate.
I thought they are not going to vote on this for another month or two?
Right? |
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Mr. Predictor  
Forum Moderator
User ID: 420595
United States
7/7/2009 5:52 PM
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This was just a debate.
I thought they are not going to vote on this for another month or two?
Right? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718263
Vote happens mid september
Wonder what distraction will happen that week
“A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have.” - President Gerald Ford |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 718263
United States
7/7/2009 5:54 PM | | Re: Debate on Cap and Trade Bill Happening Now | Quote |
This was just a debate.
I thought they are not going to vote on this for another month or two?
Right?
Vote happens mid september
Wonder what distraction will happen that week Quoting: Mr. Predictor
Yeah that's what I thought.
We still have time. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 546040
United States
7/7/2009 6:09 PM | | Re: Debate on Cap and Trade Bill Happening Now | Quote |
This was just a debate.
I thought they are not going to vote on this for another month or two?
Right?
Vote happens mid september
Wonder what distraction will happen that week Quoting: Mr. Predictor
9-9-09? |
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NasTraDooMis
User ID: 648028
United States
7/7/2009 6:40 PM | | Re: Debate on Cap and Trade Bill Happening Now | Quote |
This was just a debate.
I thought they are not going to vote on this for another month or two?
Right?
Vote happens mid september
Wonder what distraction will happen that week
9-9-09? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 546040
Upside down thats 666 !  |
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Turtles Know
Warning: Turtles Bite
User ID: 697440
United States
7/7/2009 7:31 PM
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When does this bill get voted on?
DOES ANYONE KNOW? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718263
I don't think we'll get much notice, just gotta pay attention.
No drummer out there is scared of you, Turtles.
AC 586763
push the button and ignore all the lies
you can't live forever, but you can still try [link to myspace.com]
They say the meek inherit the earth, but who, then, gets the kingdom?
[link to turtlesvoice.blogspot.com] |
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Turtles Know
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User ID: 697440
United States
7/7/2009 7:32 PM
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Well, I guess that's that.
Did it pass? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718812
No vote yet, just some crazy yakking.
No drummer out there is scared of you, Turtles.
AC 586763
push the button and ignore all the lies
you can't live forever, but you can still try [link to myspace.com]
They say the meek inherit the earth, but who, then, gets the kingdom?
[link to turtlesvoice.blogspot.com] |
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Turtles Know
Warning: Turtles Bite
User ID: 697440
United States
7/7/2009 7:32 PM
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This was just a debate.
I thought they are not going to vote on this for another month or two?
Right?
Vote happens mid september
Wonder what distraction will happen that week
9-9-09? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 546040
Maybe 9-18-09
No drummer out there is scared of you, Turtles.
AC 586763
push the button and ignore all the lies
you can't live forever, but you can still try [link to myspace.com]
They say the meek inherit the earth, but who, then, gets the kingdom?
[link to turtlesvoice.blogspot.com] |
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Aquarius 7
User ID: 715791
United States
7/7/2009 7:38 PM
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 674139
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Great video, AC.
EVER PERSON ON THE PLANET SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO WATCH IT.
imho
“Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on Thee: because he trusts in Thee.” ~ Isaiah 26:3 |
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lillie8
User ID: 689157
United States
7/7/2009 7:40 PM
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I knew they would do this while everyone is watching Michael Jackson.
But they thought "Wrong"......
Thank you OP...
Namaste...
Catherine*** Quoting: childofafrica
Yeah wonder what dogma bone the media will be chasing the day they vote on this?
Fucking media malpractice.
Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless.
Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.
—Dietrich Bonhoeffer
"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit.....it's the only way to be sure"..........
(Ripley, in "Aliens") |
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jarha
User ID: 109238
United States
7/7/2009 7:41 PM
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WASHINGTON -- Saying global warming poses unprecedented threats to Americans' way of life, four of President Barack Obama's top environmental and energy officials urged the Senate on Tuesday to pass legislation to reduce the pollution linked to the planet's rising temperature.
The heads of the Energy Department, Agriculture Department, Interior Department and Environmental Protection Agency told a Senate panel it should pass a bill similar to one the House narrowly cleared late last month. That legislation would impose the first limits on greenhouse gases, eventually leading to an 80 percent reduction by mid-century by putting a price on each ton of climate-altering pollution.
"We will not fully unleash the potential of the clean energy economy unless this committee, and the Senate, put an upper limit on the emissions of heat-trapping gases that are damaging our environment," Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said in prepared testimony. Salazar acknowledged that another Senate panel has already advanced a bill that would boost the amount of energy generated from renewable sources.
[link to www.foxnews.com]
IS IT THREAT OR BLACKMAIL?
THAT'S "CHICAGO OUTFIT MAFIA MOBSTERS" LANGUAGE.
IT IS INTERESTING HOW EASY THEY TOOK OVER WHOLE GOVERNMENT.
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KNOW THY ENEMY:
THIS IS NOT YOUR MOTHER'S DEMOCRATIC PARTY
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COUNTDOWN TO 12/21/2012
STARTED ON 04/26/2009
We need REVOLUTION
a. a turning round or rotating, as on an axis.
b. a moving in a circular or curving course, as about a central point.
c. a single cycle in such a course.
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[link to www.sarahpac.com]
There is no thing endowed with life - from man, who is enslaving the elements, to the nimblest creature - in all this world that does not sway in its turn. Whenever action is born from force, though it be infinitesimal, the cosmic balance is upset and the universal motion results. |
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snark
User ID: 572354
United States
7/7/2009 7:49 PM
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Its even worse than that... consider a point that was brought up in today's senate testimony: A country like China, who has lots and lots of money to throw around (which they usually use to buy US treasuries)... whats to stop them from instead cornering the market on energy credits? They are going to be traded on the commodities market, just like anything else. If China held the vast majority of these, they could drive the prices sky high for any US company wanting to buy the credits, effectively driving all but the cleanest countries in the US out of business.
THIS is why I wish people would shut the hell up about 'man made climate change isn't real'. It just doesn't matter right now. This bill has almost nothing to do with climate change, and proponents of the bill would LOVE to draw you into a discussion about climate change to distract from what is really going on here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 706208
...and guess who is going to be the carbon-credit market maker? One hint...rhymes with Oldman Cracks.
T For Texas, T For Tennessee!
[link to snarkista.mybrute.com]
The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
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lillie8
User ID: 689157
United States
7/7/2009 7:52 PM
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Al Gore on Tuesday compared the battle against climate change
with the struggle against the Nazis.
[ link to www.foxnews.com]
WELL, QUESTION IS "WHO IS NAZI"
I'm speechless. Al is set to become a billionaire on this legislation. Fast forward....10 years. Who's income has risen exponentially? Follow the money to find the benefactors.
Last Edited by Anastasia Slaymaker on 7/7/2009 at 7:55 PM
Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless.
Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.
—Dietrich Bonhoeffer
"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit.....it's the only way to be sure"..........
(Ripley, in "Aliens") |
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kalamity kool
User ID: 684067
 Australia
7/7/2009 7:54 PM
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While global warming is a prelude to global glaciation, and political measures will probably accomplish very little,
we are setting-up for the future for those who survive.
Paying for the true cost of our development should be built-in to our fiscal systems, the many needed luxuries we enjoy, and the massive infrastructure our Western-style living needs has a cost for the whole planet, and this cost needs to be factored in.
Societies which don't cost so much could then be rewarded for their relative poverty. |
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Turtles Know
Warning: Turtles Bite
User ID: 697440
United States
7/7/2009 8:02 PM
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WASHINGTON -- Saying global warming poses unprecedented threats to Americans' way of life, four of President Barack Obama's top environmental and energy officials urged the Senate on Tuesday to pass legislation to reduce the pollution linked to the planet's rising temperature.
The heads of the Energy Department, Agriculture Department, Interior Department and Environmental Protection Agency told a Senate panel it should pass a bill similar to one the House narrowly cleared late last month. That legislation would impose the first limits on greenhouse gases, eventually leading to an 80 percent reduction by mid-century by putting a price on each ton of climate-altering pollution.
"We will not fully unleash the potential of the clean energy economy unless this committee, and the Senate, put an upper limit on the emissions of heat-trapping gases that are damaging our environment," Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said in prepared testimony. Salazar acknowledged that another Senate panel has already advanced a bill that would boost the amount of energy generated from renewable sources.
[ link to www.foxnews.com]
IS IT THREAT OR BLACKMAIL?
THAT'S "CHICAGO OUTFIT MAFIA MOBSTERS" LANGUAGE.
IT IS INTERESTING HOW EASY THEY TOOK OVER WHOLE GOVERNMENT.
After watching that thing today, we are in a bad state if those folks are making decisions for the rest of us.
No drummer out there is scared of you, Turtles.
AC 586763
push the button and ignore all the lies
you can't live forever, but you can still try [link to myspace.com]
They say the meek inherit the earth, but who, then, gets the kingdom?
[link to turtlesvoice.blogspot.com] |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
7/7/2009 9:33 PM
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Email response from one of my Senators, Bill Nelson. My message to him was that I would be voting against him next time if he supports this...seems he doesn't care.
Dear Mr. XXXXXX:
Thank you for contacting me regarding cap-and-trade legislation.
I am interested in cap-and-trade programs because they would let the market, not the government, dictate how to lower harmful emissions. I believe that we have the technology and ability to meet the challenge of climate change in a way that will provide new economic opportunities and make us more competitive internationally while protecting consumers from high energy prices and breaking our dependence on oil.
Global warming threatens Florida's fragile ecosystem and $60 billion tourism industry. Rising sea levels will encroach on Florida's pristine beaches and harm coastal wetlands and the Everglades. Increased carbon dioxide and water temperatures will damage sensitive coral reefs and endanger Florida's diverse marine species. A scientific study by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded with 90 percent certainty that global warming is caused by the accumulation of man-made greenhouse gasses.
On June 26, the House of Representatives passed H.R. 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009. The Senate is expected to consider legislation to address energy independence and climate change in the fall.
I will continue to work in the Senate to fight the effects of global warming. I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts with me, and I respect your views. Please feel free to contact me regarding any additional issues of concern.
Sincerely,
Senator Bill Nelson
My 1911 beat up your Glock and took its lunch money.
eviltwin618@yahoo.com |
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Turtles Know
Warning: Turtles Bite
User ID: 697440
United States
7/7/2009 9:48 PM
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Email response from one of my Senators, Bill Nelson. My message to him was that I would be voting against him next time if he supports this...seems he doesn't care.
Dear Mr. XXXXXX:
Thank you for contacting me regarding cap-and-trade legislation.
I am interested in cap-and-trade programs because they would let the market, not the government, dictate how to lower harmful emissions. I believe that we have the technology and ability to meet the challenge of climate change in a way that will provide new economic opportunities and make us more competitive internationally while protecting consumers from high energy prices and breaking our dependence on oil.
Global warming threatens Florida's fragile ecosystem and $60 billion tourism industry. Rising sea levels will encroach on Florida's pristine beaches and harm coastal wetlands and the Everglades. Increased carbon dioxide and water temperatures will damage sensitive coral reefs and endanger Florida's diverse marine species. A scientific study by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded with 90 percent certainty that global warming is caused by the accumulation of man-made greenhouse gasses.
On June 26, the House of Representatives passed H.R. 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009. The Senate is expected to consider legislation to address energy independence and climate change in the fall.
I will continue to work in the Senate to fight the effects of global warming. I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts with me, and I respect your views. Please feel free to contact me regarding any additional issues of concern.
Sincerely,
Senator Bill Nelson Quoting: Evil Twin
Yeah, we got a similar one from Kay Hagen.
No drummer out there is scared of you, Turtles.
AC 586763
push the button and ignore all the lies
you can't live forever, but you can still try [link to myspace.com]
They say the meek inherit the earth, but who, then, gets the kingdom?
[link to turtlesvoice.blogspot.com] |
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