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Pope Benedict XVI on Tuesday condemned the “grave deviations and failures” of capitalism exposed by the financial crisis and issued a strong call for a “true world political authority” to oversee a return to ethics in the global economy.

...

While the pontiff’s call for a new political authority is unlikely to go down well with the G8 heads of government, his plea for financiers in particular to refocus on ethics will be reflected in a G8 communiqué bearing the imprint of Italy and Germany in their push for stronger and more co-ordinated “global standards”.

...

The German-born pope said the “true world political authority” would have the duty to “manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result”.


It would be ”regulated by law” and ”would need to be universally recognised and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights”.

...

Pope Benedict’s emphasis on the need for “forms of redistribution of wealth” is also likely to fuel the debate at the summit – to be attended by 39 heads of government and international institutions – over the failure of several rich nations, most notably Italy and France, to honour past aid commitments.


Pope condemns capitalism’s ‘failures’
By Guy Dinmore in Rome
Published: July 7 2009 14:14
[link to www.ft.com]

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He should sell his gold and help those in need....
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He should sell his gold and help those in need....
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It seems to me the Catholic Church has plenty of wealth and political power right now!

How is it using that wealth and power! Trying to "educate" Africans not to use condoms in the middle of an HIV epidemic, for one.
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Meanwhile, in Italy, he's being criticized for dominating too much in Italian politics.

Within Italy, the interventionist pontiff has been attacked by secularists for what they see as his unwarranted interference in domestic Italian affairs.

(same article)

Maybe when the Pope's interference and domination in Italian politics starts to show signs of impacting the Italian mob and slowing down corruption in italian business and government, we could take his bizarre ideas more seriously.
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:humm2: If you would like to know more about the Pope from a biblical point of view. Papa...



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I think I will just drift a bit..............












In 1814 we took a little trip, down the Mississippi,,,,,,,WE Fought the BLOODY BRITISH,,,,,,,1776,,,,,,,,

It was a REPUBLIC, where certain Rights SHALL NOT BE SCREWED WITH !


But now,,, take a look...

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snip:
However, if any democracy is not carefully legislated to avoid an uneven distribution of political power with balances, such as the separation of powers, then a branch of the system of rule could accumulate power and become harmful to the democracy itself.[9][10][11] The "majority rule" is often described as a characteristic feature of democracy, but without responsible government it is possible for the rights of a minority to be abused by the "tyranny of the majority". An essential process in representative democracies are competitive elections, that are fair both substantively[12] and procedurally.[13] Furthermore, freedom of political expression, freedom of speech and freedom of the press are essential so that citizens are informed and able to vote in their personal interests




snip:
Democracy has its origins in Ancient Greece.[16][17] However other cultures have significantly contributed to the evolution of democracy such as Ancient Rome,[16] Europe,[16]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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(( WHY SHOULD WE PUSH A SYSTEM WE DID NOT EVEN VOTE FOR OURSELVES ! ))))



Identify and denounce regimes that deny their citizens the right to choose their leaders in elections that are free, fair, and transparent.

(( Did ya see it? )) Do you feel like the things are FAIR? or how about TRANSPARENT? What about those CHOICES anyway,, huh !
[link to www.state.gov]

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I pledge aliegence to the REPUBLIC, not to a DEMON-OCRACY ( Remember bacj in school, YOU were Taught to Pledge?

Well did you not learn anything?




(( NO POPE ))
ONE KINGDOM UNDER GOD !

An honest representation of true Christendom, is pretty hard to find these days as well !


I do know that their are MEN, who are doers of the Word, and keep their own words too !

Few as they may be, they are always growing after Men have searched long enough, and have figured out most all Churches Today,, do not follow the Gospel,, As it is written, but instead have made false doctrines unto themselves, as they see fit.


Here are some links a group which does, Stick to GOD's word, and constantly check for their own waywardness, away from God's Word that is.

[link to www.godsaveamericaagain.com]
[link to www.scripturesforamerica.org]
[link to anotheruntoldstory.com]

If you listen long enough, you will find where you have went wrong, that is if your pride doesn't stop you and your eyes see true and your ears are able to take the pure truth of the Word.
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He should sell his gold and help those in need....

It seems to me the Catholic Church has plenty of wealth and political power right now!

How is it using that wealth and power! Trying to "educate" Africans not to use condoms in the middle of an HIV epidemic, for one.
 Quoting: Andromeda


Then you don't know Catholicism like you've been taught. Look at all the hospitals and orphanages and medical missions worldwide the Church runs. Or the schools that still teach the Traditional teachings of the Faith.

If you only go by what the "mainstream" media tell you, you're only getting their propaganda on the Faith. Not the real thing.
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:humm2: If you would like to know more about the Pope from a biblical point of view. Papa...



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 Quoting: 9teen.47™


You won't get the truth about the Papacy from Chick and his distortions.

You get the TRUE Biblical point of view on the Papacy here:

[link to www.scripturecatholic.com]

Thank you for your time.
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He should sell his gold and help those in need....

It seems to me the Catholic Church has plenty of wealth and political power right now!

How is it using that wealth and power! Trying to "educate" Africans not to use condoms in the middle of an HIV epidemic, for one.


Then you don't know Catholicism like you've been taught. Look at all the hospitals and orphanages and medical missions worldwide the Church runs. Or the schools that still teach the Traditional teachings of the Faith.

If you only go by what the "mainstream" media tell you, you're only getting their propaganda on the Faith. Not the real thing.
 Quoting: King Of All Ducks 712852

Yes, I went to those Catholic schools.

The "Traditional teachings of the Faith" I was taught was a lot of exhausted Roman Empire memes, materialistic metaphors and egotistical triumphalism pasted on top of a total misinterpretation of what Jesus actually taught. The humility and poverty of the early Christians is totally unrecognizable under the magical thinking and rituals of paganism grafted on top of Christianity by the Romans.

The Catholic church has always been and still is distracted with political power.
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Pope Benedict XVI on Tuesday condemned the “grave deviations and failures” of capitalism exposed by the financial crisis and issued a strong call for a “true world political authority” to oversee a return to ethics in the global economy.

...

While the pontiff’s call for a new political authority is unlikely to go down well with the G8 heads of government, his plea for financiers in particular to refocus on ethics will be reflected in a G8 communiqué bearing the imprint of Italy and Germany in their push for stronger and more co-ordinated “global standards”.

...

The German-born pope said the “true world political authority” would have the duty to “manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result”.


It would be ”regulated by law” and ”would need to be universally recognised and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights”.

...

Pope Benedict’s emphasis on the need for “forms of redistribution of wealth” is also likely to fuel the debate at the summit – to be attended by 39 heads of government and international institutions – over the failure of several rich nations, most notably Italy and France, to honour past aid commitments.


Pope condemns capitalism’s ‘failures’
By Guy Dinmore in Rome
Published: July 7 2009 14:14
[link to www.ft.com]
 Quoting: Andromeda



Yep, and he's about to hook up with Obama for their little get together. Oh, they are busy little elves aren't they?

I posted a thread a few days ago about this.
Thread: Pope Calls For United Nations to Be World Authority
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Pope Benedict XVI on Tuesday condemned the “grave deviations and failures” of capitalism exposed by the financial crisis and issued a strong call for a “true world political authority” to oversee a return to ethics in the global economy.

...

While the pontiff’s call for a new political authority is unlikely to go down well with the G8 heads of government, his plea for financiers in particular to refocus on ethics will be reflected in a G8 communiqué bearing the imprint of Italy and Germany in their push for stronger and more co-ordinated “global standards”.

...

The German-born pope said the “true world political authority” would have the duty to “manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result”.


It would be ”regulated by law” and ”would need to be universally recognised and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights”.

...

Pope Benedict’s emphasis on the need for “forms of redistribution of wealth” is also likely to fuel the debate at the summit – to be attended by 39 heads of government and international institutions – over the failure of several rich nations, most notably Italy and France, to honour past aid commitments.


Pope condemns capitalism’s ‘failures’
By Guy Dinmore in Rome
Published: July 7 2009 14:14
[link to www.ft.com]



Yep, and he's about to hook up with Obama for their little get together. Oh, they are busy little elves aren't they?

I posted a thread a few days ago about this.
Thread: Pope Calls For United Nations to Be World Authority
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Thanks lillie8! I didn't see your earlier thread!
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He should sell his gold and help those in need....

It seems to me the Catholic Church has plenty of wealth and political power right now!

How is it using that wealth and power! Trying to "educate" Africans not to use condoms in the middle of an HIV epidemic, for one.


Then you don't know Catholicism like you've been taught. Look at all the hospitals and orphanages and medical missions worldwide the Church runs. Or the schools that still teach the Traditional teachings of the Faith.

If you only go by what the "mainstream" media tell you, you're only getting their propaganda on the Faith. Not the real thing.

Yes, I went to those Catholic schools.

The "Traditional teachings of the Faith" I was taught was a lot of exhausted Roman Empire memes, materialistic metaphors and egotistical triumphalism pasted on top of a total misinterpretation of what Jesus actually taught. The humility and poverty of the early Christians is totally unrecognizable under the magical thinking and rituals of paganism grafted on top of Christianity by the Romans.

The Catholic church has always been and still is distracted with political power.
 Quoting: Andromeda


No, that a New Age movement distortion of the Truth. The Church purged all that was evil with any pagan stuff she found, in obedience to the Biblical command: "Test everything, hold fast to what is good."

It is a lie that, to quote you, the "has always been and still is distracted with political power." It's main mission is to save souls from Hell. And I'm sorry you chose to believe a set of lies about the Faith.
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:humm2: If you would like to know more about the Pope from a biblical point of view. Papa...



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just prescribing the prescription to their disease

preparing the people to kneel before the man who takes thrown at Salomon's temple
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He should sell his gold and help those in need....

It seems to me the Catholic Church has plenty of wealth and political power right now!

How is it using that wealth and power! Trying to "educate" Africans not to use condoms in the middle of an HIV epidemic, for one.


Then you don't know Catholicism like you've been taught. Look at all the hospitals and orphanages and medical missions worldwide the Church runs. Or the schools that still teach the Traditional teachings of the Faith.

If you only go by what the "mainstream" media tell you, you're only getting their propaganda on the Faith. Not the real thing.

Yes, I went to those Catholic schools.

The "Traditional teachings of the Faith" I was taught was a lot of exhausted Roman Empire memes, materialistic metaphors and egotistical triumphalism pasted on top of a total misinterpretation of what Jesus actually taught. The humility and poverty of the early Christians is totally unrecognizable under the magical thinking and rituals of paganism grafted on top of Christianity by the Romans.

The Catholic church has always been and still is distracted with political power.


No, that a New Age movement distortion of the Truth. The Church purged all that was evil with any pagan stuff she found, in obedience to the Biblical command: "Test everything, hold fast to what is good."

It is a lie that, to quote you, the "has always been and still is distracted with political power." It's main mission is to save souls from Hell. And I'm sorry you chose to believe a set of lies about the Faith.
 Quoting: King Of All Ducks 712852

Oh, come on. The entire span of the Dark Ages was a period during which the Catholic Church controlled and manipulated the heads of state of Europe. That entire period was one of crushing slavery institutionalized as the feudal system with Rome's blessing. During this period, the Church was very corrupt and many of its leaders were wealthy and openly corrupt sexually and materially. Scientists, thinkers and natural healers were tried and killed by the tens and hundreds of thousands, because they threatened the Church's dogmatic grip on knowledge. The Church even executed the man who tried to translate the bible into common language so that ordinary people could read it.

The modern day Islamic abuses can't hold a candle to what the Catholic abuses were during that Church's ascendency. The Catholic Church presided over 1500 years of feudal slavery, intellectual persecutions via inquisitions and plagues known as the "Dark Ages".

The Pope calling for a centralized concentration of power in a world authority should send shivers up anyone's spine. The Catholic Church knows how to exploit that kind of power and would certainly benefit from that situation.

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He should sell his gold and help those in need....

It seems to me the Catholic Church has plenty of wealth and political power right now!

How is it using that wealth and power! Trying to "educate" Africans not to use condoms in the middle of an HIV epidemic, for one.


Then you don't know Catholicism like you've been taught. Look at all the hospitals and orphanages and medical missions worldwide the Church runs. Or the schools that still teach the Traditional teachings of the Faith.

If you only go by what the "mainstream" media tell you, you're only getting their propaganda on the Faith. Not the real thing.

Yes, I went to those Catholic schools.

The "Traditional teachings of the Faith" I was taught was a lot of exhausted Roman Empire memes, materialistic metaphors and egotistical triumphalism pasted on top of a total misinterpretation of what Jesus actually taught. The humility and poverty of the early Christians is totally unrecognizable under the magical thinking and rituals of paganism grafted on top of Christianity by the Romans.

The Catholic church has always been and still is distracted with political power.


No, that a New Age movement distortion of the Truth. The Church purged all that was evil with any pagan stuff she found, in obedience to the Biblical command: "Test everything, hold fast to what is good."

It is a lie that, to quote you, the "has always been and still is distracted with political power." It's main mission is to save souls from Hell. And I'm sorry you chose to believe a set of lies about the Faith.

Oh, come on. The entire span of the Dark Ages was a period during which the Catholic Church controlled and manipulated the heads of state of Europe. That entire period was one of crushing slavery institutionalized as the feudal system with Rome's blessing. During this period, the Church was very corrupt and many of its leaders were wealthy and openly corrupt sexually and materially. Scientists, thinkers and natural healers were tried and killed by the tens and hundreds of thousands, because they threatened the Church's dogmatic grip on knowledge. The Church even executed the man who tried to translate the bible into common language so that ordinary people could read it.

The modern day Islamic abuses can't hold a candle to what the Catholic abuses were during that Church's ascendency. The Catholic Church presided over 1500 years of feudal slavery, intellectual persecutions via inquisitions and plagues known as the "Dark Ages".

The Pope calling for a centralized concentration of power in a world authority should send shivers up anyone's spine. The Catholic Church knows how to exploit that kind of power and would certainly benefit from that situation.
 Quoting: Andromeda


and now they have the technology to do it to the entire population of earth all at once

gives you that nice warm vomity feeling in the back of your throat
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he is the one who claims to be Christ on earth-and he proclaims it as the Vicar of Christ


so he is saying he is God on earth and the "heretics" and earthly churches need to fall into line behind him

The Catholic church is the one who :changed laws and seasons..."


The Sabbath changed to sun worshiping sunday(sun cults)...and setting up the idolatry of christmas farce...and who brought in the bunnies with the risen Christ???(Ishtar overtones)


Know them by their fruits...and the priest moved from parish to parish show us the truth...they are protected and the innocent sacrificed...



I shall tell you what the pope shall do...He shall unite all relgions of the world...for "peace"...nanny world order style, with lucifer as the LIGHT of truth...but the truth will be partial.


Those who obstruct this new found lucifer reformed routine will be believing a great delusion...as it shall come together and there shall be 3 main players directing the top...desecrating all that they can...

the "holy father" pope is a sham and to think they could judge others demonstrates their lack of truth.

bump


No offense to Catholics either...but I find the dogma and ritual to be blasphemous...

in books at the Vatican: "...the Pope is not a mere man but as it were a God on earth, Chief King of Kings, with the ability to persecute the heretics as necessary..."

a god, as we all are...but "the God" is another thing...



and any "god" that wears 3500$ gilded gold slippers...well, far from a god, albeit an icon for many.


seems the truth is revealed in layers, applicable to many things if one lives long enough to see...all is revealed to those seeking the truth.


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He should sell his gold and help those in need....

It seems to me the Catholic Church has plenty of wealth and political power right now!

How is it using that wealth and power! Trying to "educate" Africans not to use condoms in the middle of an HIV epidemic, for one.


Then you don't know Catholicism like you've been taught. Look at all the hospitals and orphanages and medical missions worldwide the Church runs. Or the schools that still teach the Traditional teachings of the Faith.

If you only go by what the "mainstream" media tell you, you're only getting their propaganda on the Faith. Not the real thing.

Yes, I went to those Catholic schools.

The "Traditional teachings of the Faith" I was taught was a lot of exhausted Roman Empire memes, materialistic metaphors and egotistical triumphalism pasted on top of a total misinterpretation of what Jesus actually taught. The humility and poverty of the early Christians is totally unrecognizable under the magical thinking and rituals of paganism grafted on top of Christianity by the Romans.

The Catholic church has always been and still is distracted with political power.


No, that a New Age movement distortion of the Truth. The Church purged all that was evil with any pagan stuff she found, in obedience to the Biblical command: "Test everything, hold fast to what is good."

It is a lie that, to quote you, the "has always been and still is distracted with political power." It's main mission is to save souls from Hell. And I'm sorry you chose to believe a set of lies about the Faith.

Oh, come on. The entire span of the Dark Ages was a period during which the Catholic Church controlled and manipulated the heads of state of Europe. That entire period was one of crushing slavery institutionalized as the feudal system with Rome's blessing. During this period, the Church was very corrupt and many of its leaders were wealthy and openly corrupt sexually and materially. Scientists, thinkers and natural healers were tried and killed by the tens and hundreds of thousands, because they threatened the Church's dogmatic grip on knowledge. The Church even executed the man who tried to translate the bible into common language so that ordinary people could read it.

The modern day Islamic abuses can't hold a candle to what the Catholic abuses were during that Church's ascendancy. The Catholic Church presided over 1500 years of feudal slavery, intellectual persecutions via inquisitions and plagues known as the "Dark Ages".

The Pope calling for a centralized concentration of power in a world authority should send shivers up anyone's spine. The Catholic Church knows how to exploit that kind of power and would certainly benefit from that situation.
 Quoting: Andromeda


No, you are misinformed. During the Dark Ages, the Church preserved what knowledge there was against the barbarian hordes like the Vandals, Ostrogoths, Visigoth and Huns. During those centuries, the Church - bit by bit - moderated the violence of those early European kingdoms. And that in spite of the heretics and Judases within the hierarchy.

And the Church was never without people preaching and promoting genuine reform, like St. Francis of Assisi, St. Catherine of Siena, St. Vincent Ferrer and others.

On this forum, there is good information to counter these false accusations presented here. You may read them here:

[link to www.speroforum.com]

And as for that Bible translator you spoke of, that was John Wycliffe, and he was no Christian or friend of the people. From the New Advent Encyclopedia:

[link to www.newadvent.org]
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He should sell his gold and help those in need....

It seems to me the Catholic Church has plenty of wealth and political power right now!

How is it using that wealth and power! Trying to "educate" Africans not to use condoms in the middle of an HIV epidemic, for one.


Then you don't know Catholicism like you've been taught. Look at all the hospitals and orphanages and medical missions worldwide the Church runs. Or the schools that still teach the Traditional teachings of the Faith.

If you only go by what the "mainstream" media tell you, you're only getting their propaganda on the Faith. Not the real thing.

Yes, I went to those Catholic schools.

The "Traditional teachings of the Faith" I was taught was a lot of exhausted Roman Empire memes, materialistic metaphors and egotistical triumphalism pasted on top of a total misinterpretation of what Jesus actually taught. The humility and poverty of the early Christians is totally unrecognizable under the magical thinking and rituals of paganism grafted on top of Christianity by the Romans.

The Catholic church has always been and still is distracted with political power.


No, that a New Age movement distortion of the Truth. The Church purged all that was evil with any pagan stuff she found, in obedience to the Biblical command: "Test everything, hold fast to what is good."

It is a lie that, to quote you, the "has always been and still is distracted with political power." It's main mission is to save souls from Hell. And I'm sorry you chose to believe a set of lies about the Faith.

Oh, come on. The entire span of the Dark Ages was a period during which the Catholic Church controlled and manipulated the heads of state of Europe. That entire period was one of crushing slavery institutionalized as the feudal system with Rome's blessing. During this period, the Church was very corrupt and many of its leaders were wealthy and openly corrupt sexually and materially. Scientists, thinkers and natural healers were tried and killed by the tens and hundreds of thousands, because they threatened the Church's dogmatic grip on knowledge. The Church even executed the man who tried to translate the bible into common language so that ordinary people could read it.

The modern day Islamic abuses can't hold a candle to what the Catholic abuses were during that Church's ascendancy. The Catholic Church presided over 1500 years of feudal slavery, intellectual persecutions via inquisitions and plagues known as the "Dark Ages".

The Pope calling for a centralized concentration of power in a world authority should send shivers up anyone's spine. The Catholic Church knows how to exploit that kind of power and would certainly benefit from that situation.


No, you are misinformed. During the Dark Ages, the Church preserved what knowledge there was against the barbarian hordes like the Vandals, Ostrogoths, Visigoth and Huns. During those centuries, the Church - bit by bit - moderated the violence of those early European kingdoms. And that in spite of the heretics and Judases within the hierarchy.

And the Church was never without people preaching and promoting genuine reform, like St. Francis of Assisi, St. Catherine of Siena, St. Vincent Ferrer and others.

On this forum, there is good information to counter these false accusations presented here. You may read them here:

[link to www.speroforum.com]

And as for that Bible translator you spoke of, that was John Wycliffe, and he was no Christian or friend of the people. From the New Advent Encyclopedia:

[link to www.newadvent.org]
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The Church has taken a dark path--to think otherwise is foolishness. What was once pure has been changed. The Church does nothing with its great power and wealth. Ritual, Tradition, laws, GUILT- there is no freedom there--there is no free will there! Only enslavement. The books themselves have been manipulated beyond recognition. Clearly is JC was around today he would tell you what a farce it all is. Remember this friend--The Kingdom is within you--- not in a Church- or in your tradition- or in your rituals.
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Read it for yourself.

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:humm2: If you would like to know more about the Pope from a biblical point of view. Papa...



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If you would like to know more about Jesus' commmandment to love one another as a mark of being his diciple from Jesus' point of view....

John 13:34-35
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He should sell his gold and help those in need....

It seems to me the Catholic Church has plenty of wealth and political power right now!

How is it using that wealth and power! Trying to "educate" Africans not to use condoms in the middle of an HIV epidemic, for one.


Then you don't know Catholicism like you've been taught. Look at all the hospitals and orphanages and medical missions worldwide the Church runs. Or the schools that still teach the Traditional teachings of the Faith.

If you only go by what the "mainstream" media tell you, you're only getting their propaganda on the Faith. Not the real thing.

Yes, I went to those Catholic schools.

The "Traditional teachings of the Faith" I was taught was a lot of exhausted Roman Empire memes, materialistic metaphors and egotistical triumphalism pasted on top of a total misinterpretation of what Jesus actually taught. The humility and poverty of the early Christians is totally unrecognizable under the magical thinking and rituals of paganism grafted on top of Christianity by the Romans.

The Catholic church has always been and still is distracted with political power.


No, that a New Age movement distortion of the Truth. The Church purged all that was evil with any pagan stuff she found, in obedience to the Biblical command: "Test everything, hold fast to what is good."

It is a lie that, to quote you, the "has always been and still is distracted with political power." It's main mission is to save souls from Hell. And I'm sorry you chose to believe a set of lies about the Faith.

Oh, come on. The entire span of the Dark Ages was a period during which the Catholic Church controlled and manipulated the heads of state of Europe. That entire period was one of crushing slavery institutionalized as the feudal system with Rome's blessing. During this period, the Church was very corrupt and many of its leaders were wealthy and openly corrupt sexually and materially. Scientists, thinkers and natural healers were tried and killed by the tens and hundreds of thousands, because they threatened the Church's dogmatic grip on knowledge. The Church even executed the man who tried to translate the bible into common language so that ordinary people could read it.

The modern day Islamic abuses can't hold a candle to what the Catholic abuses were during that Church's ascendancy. The Catholic Church presided over 1500 years of feudal slavery, intellectual persecutions via inquisitions and plagues known as the "Dark Ages".

The Pope calling for a centralized concentration of power in a world authority should send shivers up anyone's spine. The Catholic Church knows how to exploit that kind of power and would certainly benefit from that situation.


No, you are misinformed. During the Dark Ages, the Church preserved what knowledge there was against the barbarian hordes like the Vandals, Ostrogoths, Visigoth and Huns. During those centuries, the Church - bit by bit - moderated the violence of those early European kingdoms. And that in spite of the heretics and Judases within the hierarchy.

And the Church was never without people preaching and promoting genuine reform, like St. Francis of Assisi, St. Catherine of Siena, St. Vincent Ferrer and others.

On this forum, there is good information to counter these false accusations presented here. You may read them here:

[link to www.speroforum.com]

And as for that Bible translator you spoke of, that was John Wycliffe, and he was no Christian or friend of the people. From the New Advent Encyclopedia:

[link to www.newadvent.org]
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CATHOLIC MYSTICISM IS NOT THE RELIGION OF GOD - POPERY HAS ALL BUT OBLITERATED THE TRUTH - IT HAS TRAMPLED ON IT SINCE THE DEATH OF CHRIST AND TORTURES AND KILLS THOSE WHO HAVE PRESERVED IT - GET YOUR HISTORICAL FACTS CORRRECT
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CATHOLIC MYSTICISM IS NOT THE RELIGION OF GOD - POPERY HAS ALL BUT OBLITERATED THE TRUTH - IT HAS TRAMPLED ON IT SINCE THE DEATH OF CHRIST AND TORTURES AND KILLS THOSE WHO HAVE PRESERVED IT - GET YOUR HISTORICAL FACTS CORRRECT
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Your hatred towards others is repulsive....and its stench is like a rotting corpse.

You have nothing loving to offer....that's your journey and it's a matter between you and Jesus.

If you won't listen to Jesus and what he commands of you --- to love one another....then what you say here just reeks of hyposcrisy and has no credibility whatsoever because Jesus tells you that you are not his disciple if you will not love.

Do you believe that you are representative of Seventh-Day Adventists? Is your stinking hatred an anomaly or is this how Adventist's act?

You're the first Adventist I've ever seen in action like this....and I wonder if you are encouraged to hate your brothers and sisters.
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Hmm.. False prophet in the making???? This could get interesting.....
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he is the one who claims to be Christ on earth-and he proclaims it as the Vicar of Christ


so he is saying he is God on earth and the "heretics" and earthly churches need to fall into line behind him

The Catholic church is the one who :changed laws and seasons..."


The Sabbath changed to sun worshiping sunday(sun cults)...and setting up the idolatry of christmas farce...and who brought in the bunnies with the risen Christ???(Ishtar overtones)


Know them by their fruits...and the priest moved from parish to parish show us the truth...they are protected and the innocent sacrificed...



I shall tell you what the pope shall do...He shall unite all relgions of the world...for "peace"...nanny world order style, with lucifer as the LIGHT of truth...but the truth will be partial.


Those who obstruct this new found lucifer reformed routine will be believing a great delusion...as it shall come together and there shall be 3 main players directing the top...desecrating all that they can...

the "holy father" pope is a sham and to think they could judge others demonstrates their lack of truth.

bump


No offense to Catholics either...but I find the dogma and ritual to be blasphemous...

in books at the Vatican: "...the Pope is not a mere man but as it were a God on earth, Chief King of Kings, with the ability to persecute the heretics as necessary..."

a god, as we all are...but "the God" is another thing...



and any "god" that wears 3500$ gilded gold slippers...well, far from a god, albeit an icon for many.


seems the truth is revealed in layers, applicable to many things if one lives long enough to see...all is revealed to those seeking the truth.


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Organized religion becomes very evil when it starts grabbing for political power, its leaders appoint themselves as infallible and speaking with God's voice, and they assume the right to prosecute heretics and dissenters.

Having sat through many masses (we had to attend one every day), I can say that I've heard many more hours upon hours of triumphalist rants about "power", "glory", "kingdom" than I heard about Jesus's true teachings. All of this set in rooms full of glittering gold and idols. I definitely agree with you on the "blasphemous" part.

I agree with your entire post, SD.

hf
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pope2 And so it begins......
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You know, I'm not really interested in the arcane word-dances and miniscule explanations he has for why a true world authority set up to administer "security", "justice" and "rights" is not a political power.


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The fact that you won't read what the man actually wrote....says everything.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your intolerance and bigotry....that says more about you than about him.
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Having sat through many masses (we had to attend one every day),
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Good grief, were you a nun? lol....by your description it sounds as if you've never been to Mass...or paid attention to what was going on, if you ever did attend.
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He should sell his gold and help those in need....
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Ever since I went to So. America and saw for myself the horrific and squalid living conditions in countries with strong Roman Catholic/the Pope oversight, I question their message. While they preach poverty (along with chastity and obedience)the cathedrals were massively ornate. Every time I see the Pope on display, dripping with gold and the finest cloth and served by a multitude of "servants", it seems to me that Catholicism is the epitome of hypocrisy.
Years later, I had the opportunity to have dinner with a Priest in his private residence. The "home" was beautifully, though sparsely decorated and he had his own private cook. It was a delicious dinner, but I left wondering how this man connected in any way with his parishioners.
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