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The Startling Identity of the 144,000 of Revelation

 
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The Startling Identity of the 144,000 of Revelation

By David Lowe

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An angel declares that, prior to the trumpet judgments falling on the earth, the 144,000 must be sealed with the "seal of the living God". This seal is extremely important, because, during the fifth trumpet judgment, the 144,000 are protected from the demonic creatures who ascend from the abyss and torment humanity for five months:


Rev 9:4 They were told not to damage the grass of the earth, or any green plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their forehead.


In Revelation chapter 7, the genealogical descent of the 144,000 is revealed: 12,000 of them are chosen from each of 12 different sons of Jacob. The author goes to great pains to list every son of Jacob from which 12,000 different men descend until 144,000 are accounted for.


The traditional literal interpretation of the 144,000 is that they will be a group of Jewish men whom God will call out of Israel, or perhaps all nations, just after the beginning of Daniel´s 70th week. They will be a special group of Jews who will have lived a pious life of celibacy and dedication to God, but they will not be a part of the caught-up believers. Instead, they will remain on earth, be sealed by God for protection during the trumpet judgments, and evangelize the rest of the world. As for the tribe of Israel from whom they are said to descend, some reason that the two witnesses will be able to tell them from which tribe they trace their descent.


Their Traits


This traditional interpretation leaves much to be desired when all of the traits of the 144,000 are considered. In Revelation chapters 7 and 14, the following traits of this group of people are provided:


1. They must all be Jewish, for they descend from 12 different sons of Israel. (Revelation 7:4-8)

2. They must all be men, because they did not defile themselves with women. (Revelation 14:4)

3. They are all male parthenoi in Greek, or sexually pure. This could mean these men had never had sexual relations, had never been sexually immoral, or that in their current state, they were unable to have those type of relations. (Revelation 14:4)

4. They were "redeemed from among humanity", which means they must be human beings. (Revelation 14:3,4)

5. They had never told a lie, and they were "blameless". The Greek word for "blameless" is amomoi, which Peter used to describe Jesus when he was presented as a lamb "without blemish":


I Pet 1:19 but by precious blood like that of an unblemished [amomou] and spotless lamb, namely Christ.


The 144,000 are in a state of holiness and purity as Jesus Christ was his entire life, which could only be possible if they had been in an immortal state. This is because, in a mortal state, all are born into sin, and no one is righteous. (Revelation 14:5)

6. They follow the Lamb wherever he went, which is a trait shared by those who are part of the resurrected and caught-up believers. (Revelation 14:4):


I The 4:17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be suddenly caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.


7. They are "redeemed from humanity as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb". Firstfruits means that they are part of a larger whole, in this case humanity, that is taken out of, or redeemed from, the larger whole. (Revelation 14:4)

8. They seem to possess supernatural qualities, such as:

***They are protected from the fifth trumpet judgment creatures that appear and torture humanity for five months with the seal of God. (Revelation 9:4)

***After being on the earth during Daniel’s 70th week, they mysteriously appear on heaven’s Mount Zion in Revelation chapter 14 without explanation. (Revelation 14:1-5)


A Possible Indentity


There is one group of individuals described briefly in the New Testament that appear to possess all the traits above. That group is the "many saints" of Matthew chapter 27 that were resurrected to immortality just after Christ’s resurrection:


Mat 27:52 And tombs were opened, and the bodies of many saints who had died were raised.

Mat 27:53 (They came out of the tombs after his resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.)


The following is a list of reasons why the "many saints who had died" and were resurrected is a possible explanation for the elusive identity of the 144,000:


1. The "many saints" were raised from the dead in and around Jerusalem at the least, so they would be in a Jewish territory. Their description as "saints" couldn’t mean saints of Christ, because he had just died and been raised. Therefore, these saints must have been righteous Jewish individuals who died prior to Christ’s death.

2. There is no restriction in Matthew chapter 27 to the gender of the "many saints", so it is possible that the Lord chose only males to be raised.

3. In a resurrected state, these men would not have sexual relations. As Jesus stated, in a resurrected state, people will be like the angels in that they do not marry nor are given in marriage:


Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.


4. The "many saints" were redeemed from humanity, just as the 144,000 are described.

5. The "many saints", in their resurrected state, would be "blameless", or in a state of holiness and purity. The Greek word amomoi, in addition to being a word used to describe Christ as a lamb without blemish, is also used several times to describe the people of God when they will be presented to him:


Eph 5:27 so that he may present the church to himself as glorious—not having a stain or wrinkle, or any such blemish, but holy and blameless [amomos].


Jud 1:24 Now to the one who is able to keep you from falling, and to cause you to stand, rejoicing, without blemish [amomous] before his glorious presence,


6. The "many saints", in their resurrected and glorified bodies, would be able to be with the Lord wherever he went. The supernatural seal of God and the Lamb that is on their forehead during the time they are on the earth in the first part of Daniel’s 70th week may be how they stay supernaturally united with the Lamb while he is in heaven and they are on the earth.

7. The "many saints" would be considered "firstfruits" to both God and the Lamb, just as the 144,000 are described, since they were the first human beings resurrected to immortality after Jesus Christ. They were part of a larger whole that was taken out of the larger whole as a firstfruits offering to God and the Lamb.

8. The "many saints" would, in their immortal state, possess the supernatural qualities that the 144,000 seemed to possess. These are the same qualities Jesus displayed after his resurrection and described in an earlier chapter.


This is presented only as a possible explanation of the identity of the 144,000. Many prophecy scholars have tried, ever since Revelation was penned, to explain their identity. Many of the problems of interpretation that they noted are alleviated if the 144,000 are a group of individuals who lived in the distant past and are currently in a resurrected and immortal state, including:

The tendency to symbolize the 144,000 number as well as many of the qualities they are described as having, which could only be possessed by individuals who were in a resurrected and glorified state.

The problem of how they will know of which tribe they are a part, since after 70 AD, the twelve tribes were scattered and many believe they disappeared. The resurrection of the "many saints" occurred before 70 AD.

Whether they are really symbolic of individuals, both Jews and Gentiles, who will turn back to the Lord during Daniel’s 70th week.

The tendency to symbolize their description of being virgins and being without any blame.

More Evidence Outside of Scripture

An early extra-biblical reference may also provide an interesting circumstantial corroboration to the idea that the 144,000 were made up of the "many saints" who rose just after Jesus´ resurrection. In the ancient writing called "The Gospel of Nicodemus", there is a detailed account of the resurrection of the "many saints" of Matthew chapter 27. In this account, two men named Karinus and Leucius were among those who were seen alive who had previously died. Below is an excerpt of how these two men responded when asked how the breath of life had returned to them:

We have risen again along with Christ from the lower world, and He has raised us up again from the dead . . . And indeed to us it has been commanded by the Lord Himself, that for an appointed time we should walk over the banks of Jordan and the mountains; not, however, appearing to every one, nor speaking to every one, except to those to whom He has permitted us. And just now we could neither have spoken nor appeared to you, unless it had been allowed to us by the Holy Spirit.

Two things to note from this passage are:

1. These who were risen from the dead did not appear to everyone in and around Israel, but only to a specific number of persons to whom they were allowed to appear. This agrees with the Matthew chapter 27 account that the "many saints" appeared to many people.

2. They were only to appear for an "appointed time". They were not just raised from the dead only to then live out their lives again and die a mortal death. Instead, they seem to be raised for specific purpose.


Karinus and Leucius continued and later revealed a very important point. When they were in Abraham´s bosom after Christ´s resurrection, they said:

And to us and many others it was commanded that we should rise in the body, giving in the world a testimony of the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, and of those things which had been done in the lower world.

Take special note that they said "many" of the dead under the Old Covenant were commanded to rise and give a bodily testimony on the earth. Some believe and teach that "all" of the Old Covenant saints were raised in the Matthew chapter 27 account and later taken to heaven, but according to this account, only "many" of the saints were raised.


Finally, the Gospel of Nicodemus reveals in interesting number of people who were seen risen from the dead in the city of Jerusalem:

And, behold, suddenly there appeared coming down from Mount Amalech a very great number, as it were, twelve thousand men, who had risen with the Lord. And though they recognised very many there, they were not able to say anything to them for fear and the angelic vision . . .

Returning the study of the identity of the 144,000, there are two interesting points in this passage:


1. There were 12,000 men raised from the dead, which could be one group of 12,000 of the 144,000. Perhaps the other eleven groups of 12,000 were raised in other parts of Israel, specific to their tribal boundaries? There is no mention of other groups, but the number is intriguing.

2. The 12,000 individuals were described as "men", not women, persons, or people. This is in agreement with their description in Revelation chapter 14 as being virgins who were not defiled with women, meaning that they could only be men.

The identity of the 144,000 has long been a mystery. My prayer is that this study has shed new light on this mystery for the reader, and caused a greater hunger for the Word of God and its mysteries.

David Lowe

The above study is an excerpt taken from the manuscript "Earthquake Resurrection: Unlocking the Mystery of the Rapture" by David Lowe. Soon, this manuscript will be made available to the public. To be notified of this, send an email to the author by clicking here , and you will receive updates as to the progress of the publication.
Rastifar
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Damn, im going to hell.
hawk nli
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"They must all be men, because they did not defile themselves with women"

and

"They are all male parthenoi in Greek, or sexually pure. This could mean these men had never had sexual relations, had never been sexually immoral, or that in their current state, they were unable to have those type of relations."

sounds like the 144 are all gay men.
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If there is anything "startling" here in this article it is the author, David Lowe´s admission that he is a deceived and deluded Rapture Cult member!

Here is another example of the failure of "study"; albeit, a scholarly effort. The guy even cites "the gospel of nicodemus". This is simply a piece by a Carnally-confused Christian to rationalize non-Scriptural concepts he wants to believe in. Yet what Lowe does not realize is that God does not promulgate lies or liars.

The author states on another work he has published on the raptureready.com website:
"Before I go any further, the readers should know that this author believes in a pre-70th week of Daniel catching away of the church. I have studied the other rapture scenarios, and have concluded that the pre-tribulation scenario is demanded ... I have been greatly influenced by Perry Stone, Jr. in my studies of Bible prophecy."


The idea of a pre or mid Tribulation "rapture" is plainly and simply A LIE. The whole concept was rationalized by men in the mid 1800´s and requires great efforts and wrestling of the Scriptures to rationalize.

What is Jesus´ Witness? Check out John 17 for yourself. The whole chapter is HIS Prayer for The Remnant. HE Says, praying to The Father to encourage The Apostles and Disciples, before HE was delivered for death: John 17

1. These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2. As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7. Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8. For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9. I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10. And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11. And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13. And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14. I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21. That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23. I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24. Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25. O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26. And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.


The Witness of Christ Jesus is The Word of The Living God. Understand verse 15 above. HE Says "Keep them and preserve them in the world".

Gotta sidestep that one, to play the rapture game.

Lowe is simply another Believer who is unable to give his life to God and be Re-Born IN-HIM.

God has no need to "rapture" anyone. Noah, Passover, Shadrach et al, Daniel, Lott, and others were "kept" by God. As Jesus says, "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil."

If you are not yet Born-Again, or you embrace this concept of rapture; there is still time to see our Lord Jesus and ask HIM, "Lord, please show me your truth and The Way unto The Father."
Rex
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144,000 children?
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No, not gay.

Maybe eunuchs...
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Just one little fly in your ointment: "not defiled with women".

Women are symbols of churches--both negative and positive. The 144,000 will not be defiled by any particular church doctrine. They will, like Paul stated, not be taught of men, but by God Himself. This is just one little fly. There is a swarm of them throughout your perception of this. There are many layers of understanding about the 144,000. To get a full understanding, we must understand that they will BECOME a part of the temple and nevermore go out. Therefore, a full understanding of the temple is necessary to see how these "jewels" will be utilized in the future temple structure.

I have seen many interpretations of the 144,000. All have fallen short of fully describing their function. Look to the study of Zerubbabel. He will build the last temple and leave no doubt as to how it is structured. In this sense, he will become the "ensign" that the world is so desparately looking for now. He will bring the hearts of the children back to the fathers, and the hearts of the fathers back to the children. He will repair the breach and restore the paths to dwell in. I appreciate your attempt to reach the truth. When the truth finally comes, you will be ready to receive it.
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Now that they are paving the road to Petra could have some meaning as to where the 144,00 might be headed. (Look up, for your redemption is near)
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from my studies, I believe that ALL of the OT Saints, those whose faith was counted unto righteousness (Hebrews 11), went to a place called "Paradise".

This is validated by Jesus´ statement to the thief on the cross, who, upon confessing Jesus as Lord, was told "today you will be with me in Paradise".

Furthermore, Jesus told the Parable of the rich man and Lazarus, both of whom died, the rich man waking up in hell, and Lazarus being "in the bosom of Abraham". Abraham was in Paradise, and hell (Hades) was so close to Paradise that they could see one another, and speak across the chasm which separated the two.

Ephesians 4 tells that "Whe He (Jesus) ascended up on high, He led capitivity captive (but before He ascended, He descended into the lower most parts of the earth). His first ascention took place on Resurrection morning (John 20), so by this we know that in His 3 days in the belly of the earth He went to the places that God had created after the fall of either Lucifer or Adam.

Those five place are:
1 Paradise
2. hell or Hades
3. The bottomless pit...the abode of demons
4. Tartarus, the "prison" where the fallen angels are kept in chains under darkness until the time of judgment.(Jesus preached to the spirits in prison during that 3 day period)
5. the lake of fire.

When Jesus ascended on Resurrection morning, He "led capitivity captive" describes Him leading the OT Saints, as described in Hebrews 11, with Him and establishing Paradise in Heaven.

In one of Paul´s Epistles he describes Paradise being in the 3rd heaven, that is, where God is.

In Hebrews 11:35 it describes the OT Saints "awaiting a better resurrection"...they were raised up with Him on Resurrection Morning and transported in heaven. I further believe those who came out of their graves and were seen in Jerusalem after His death and the earthquake, were among those who went up on Resurrection morning with Him as He ascended.
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more elitist bullshit designed to keep certain people elevated above others based purely on bloodlines. If you believe this crap, then everything else about man being equal is bull. Freedom goes out the window, because the "chosen ones" have dominion over us all.

FUCK THAT!

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.whatever
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144,000 ‘not defiled with women.’

In Revelation 14:1-4, the 144,000 described as standing with the Lamb on Mount Zion are said to have been “bought from the earth. These are the ones that did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins.” These are shown as having a more intimate relationship with the Lamb than any others do, being the only ones to master the “new song.” (Re 14:1-4)

This would indicate that they make up the “bride” of the Lamb. (Re 21:9) They are spiritual persons, as revealed by the fact that they stand on the heavenly Mount Zion with the Lamb. Therefore their ‘not defiling themselves with women’ and their being “virgins” would not mean that none of these 144,000 persons had ever been married, for the Scriptures do not forbid persons on earth who are to be joint heirs with Christ to marry. (1Ti 3:2; 4:1, 3) Neither would it imply that all the 144,000 were men, for “there is neither male nor female” as far as the spiritual relationship of Christ’s joint heirs is concerned. (Ga 3:28)

The “women” therefore must be symbolic women, doubtless religious organizations such as Babylon the Great and her ‘daughters,’ false religious organizations, the joining of and participation in which would prevent one from being spotless. (Re 17:5) This symbolic description harmonizes with the requirement in the Law that the high priest of Israel take only a virgin for his wife, for Jesus Christ is almighty God’s great High Priest.—Le 21:10, 14; 2Co 11:2; Heb 7:26.
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The 144,000 are of the FIRST resurrection and, having died once, will never die again. They are, also, not of a sexual nature. Jesus said there will be no marriages in heaven because we will be like the angels.

I have often wondered where they are, who came out of the tombs when Jesus died. The Scriptures say, "It is given to man to DIE ONCE then, after that, the judgment." It appears that they must still be alive on the earth.

I forgot which apostle wrote that we should be careful how we behave, because we may be entertaining angels unawares. The resurrected? People have reported they received help that came from strangers who disappeared after their rescue.

Interesting thread!
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It´s a plot device.
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He makes the 144,000 sound like sexless ex-dead men... Does anyone wonder if he´s right?

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Within the 144,000 is an inner circle called the circle of 100. We are to lead the remnant going forward and carry forth the highest universal truth knowable on earth. I am not Jewish nor any religion. None of us are. Truth in its pristine form transcends any and all religious constructions.
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Sexually pure? Sexually powerful I think.
"Yes.But it needed controlling."
"The Visitors control that aspect of me.The psycic said the spiritual force is of the sexual force,but we downplay it.
Crowley spoke of sexua magic,not clear on this.
But even a high order spirit can have relations with you,although not physical.Do not say that that they do not indulge.They used to enjoy it. For they were man and beast before."
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They are not literal virgin men. It is figurative.


They are spiritual persons, as revealed by the fact that they stand on the heavenly Mount Zion with the Lamb. Therefore their ‘not defiling themselves with women’ and their being “virgins” would not mean that none of these 144,000 persons had ever been married, for the Scriptures do not forbid persons on earth who are to be joint heirs with Christ to marry. (1Ti 3:2; 4:1, 3) Neither would it imply that all the 144,000 were men, for “there is neither male nor female” as far as the spiritual relationship of Christ’s joint heirs is concerned. (Ga 3:28)
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It is explained here.
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"sounds like the 144 are all gay men."
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Oh fuck, 144k gays marching from Israel sounds indeed like Armageddon. When trying to imagine them I see an orthodox jew all in black with pink purses - or something like that...
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Sheesh, it is not literal virgin men. Anyone understanding this?
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not gay but hermaphroditic -

the theosophical 6th root race - and the original state of the first race before it fell
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Sheesh, it is not literal virgin men. Anyone understanding this?
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"literal virgin" is what exactly? Isn´t it an euphemism for illiterate? Please define "not literal" viginity... :-)
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They are spititual men...not fleshly ....in the sense that they have died to this worlds wisdom..and made new(the new wine) cleansed and whitened and have the Spirit of Jesus and their Father living in them..in their New Heart .

They invited Jesus into their hearts ..receiving his intimate counsel, which led to a deep restoration from with-in. They learned to walk with God and hear his voice. They have asked God to surround them in his presence, free them from the distractions of this world, and to redeem their hearts by completly surrendering it to Jesus as their only savior, and asking him to mortify all that he knew as a fleshly man, and they have been shown the secrets of Jesus heart..because they are one...married.
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What the 144,000 means is 12,000 decedants of each of the original 12 tribes of Isreal. At the time of the 2nd coming of Jesus our Lord and Savouir, all 144,000 will be gathered once again in Isreal. The time is near because the 144,000 have already started making their way back to Isreal. Recently, a lost tribe of the 12 was found to be living in Ethiopia and was broght back to Isreal to live and welcome the coming of Jesus.....so it is happening as we speak. These 144,000 decendants have lead a pure life according to the old testament, the first convenant of the Lord. After Jesus resurrection and asent into Heaven, modern day Christians live under God's new convenant. The Bible is the truth and the way, and there are no mistakes in the Bible....the will of God is being done today....read Revelations over and over again and get a study guide to help with the understanding.....it is very imperative that we all understand what is about to happen.
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[link to www.senioryears.com]

The above link will give you info on a book written by Pastor John Haggee of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, TX. His book will explain everything that is going on right now.....I urge everyone to get this book and read it....It will answer alot of things about how we got to the point we are now and what is about to come......please purchase this book.....
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"The 144,000 are in a state of holiness and purity as Jesus Christ was his entire life, which could only be possible if they had been in an immortal state. This is because, in a mortal state, all are born into sin, and no one is righteous. (Revelation 14:5)"

The main premis is wrong. This statement is not biblical.
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they are not all JEWISH either... but "children of Abraham"... which means they accept the teachings of Abraham and are "adopted" into that family (and tribe)
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Re: The Startling Identity of the 144,000 of Revelation
not gay but hermaphroditic -

the theosophical 6th root race - and the original state of the first race before it fell
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Excellent observation...

[link to ourworld.compuserve.com]

...The seeds of the sixth root-race are already being sown, largely in the Americas, and will become fairly numerous towards the end of our kali-yuga. Hermaphroditism will again appear, but in a more refined form. Children will be produced by kriyâshakti, i.e. by will and imagination -- passively in the sixth race, and consciously and actively in the seventh. The flesh of the sixth root-race will be very tender and soft, and that of the seventh root-race will be almost translucent. These races will be smaller than us in size, but greater in intellect and spirituality...

[link to www.kheper.net]

...The 6th race constitute a new coming racial expression, which will demonstrate a group consciousness and telepathic rapport, high intelligence and intuitive skills, combined with numerous other qualities. This formulation, very innovative and forward looking when it first appeared, now seems very dated, as the future of nanotech, cyborgs, genetic engineering, transhumanism and the 'Singularity' seems like drastically overtaking any theosophical version of a coming race...
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Re: The Startling Identity of the 144,000 of Revelation
they are not all JEWISH either... but "children of Abraham"... which means they accept the teachings of Abraham and are "adopted" into that family (and tribe)
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How do you explain the names of the tribes that they "come out of" if they are not Jewish?
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Re: The Startling Identity of the 144,000 of Revelation
1. They must all be Jewish, for they descend from 12 different sons of Israel. (Revelation 7:4-8)

2. They must all be men, because they did not defile themselves with women. (Revelation 14:4)

3. They are all male parthenoi in Greek, or sexually pure. This could mean these men had never had sexual relations, had never been sexually immoral, or that in their current state, they were unable to have those type of relations. (Revelation 14:4)

4. They were "redeemed from among humanity", which means they must be human beings. (Revelation 14:3,4)

5. They had never told a lie, and they were "blameless".
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Its incredible the amount of energy and speculation that is being wasted on these old Jewish tribal myths that have got no relevance whatosever to anybody else.

Anyhow, it's easy enough to find the above specimens, in Jewish maternity wards.

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