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Soldier balks at deploying; says Obama isnít president

Says he shouldnít have to go to Afghanistan because Obama is not a U.S. citizen

U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook, set to deploy to Afghanistan, says he shouldnít have to go.

His reason?

Barack Obama was never eligible to be president because he wasnít born in the United States.

Actually, Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, two years after it became a state.

Cookís lawyer, Orly Taitz, who has also challenged the legitimacy of Obamaís presidency in other courts, filed a request last week in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order and status as a conscientious objector for his client.

In the 20-page document ó filed July 8 with the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia ó the California-based Taitz asks the court to consider granting his clientís request based upon Cookís belief that Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as commander-in-chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.

Cook further states he ďwould be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this Presidentís command. ... simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties.Ē

Cook, a reservist, received the orders mobilizing him to active duty on June 9.

According to this document, which accompanies Cookís July 8 application for a temporary restraining order, he has been ordered to report to MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Fla., on Wednesday. From there, the Florida resident would go to Fort Benning before deploying overseas.

A hearing to discuss Cookís requests will take place in federal court here Thursday at 9:30 a.m.
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Well he isn't!
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That won't fly with the military.

A soldier is not allowed to decide who they will follow. Claiming that Obama is not a citizen is the job of the Press, the (non-military) citizens or his opponents. NOT Private No-brains over there. (Or Sargent no-brains or any enlisted man or woman.)

If this argument where to be allowed, then in the next war people would refuse to fight based on anything they decided to make up.

Or even just because they disagree with a given war.

NO sane soldier agrees with all the reasons for a war. War is by definition an insane act of mass murder and intimidation.

So, to keep things all together, the decision to go to war, to deploy and so on is taken out of the hands of the military person, who, being reasonably sane in most cases, SHOULD refuse to go!

It would lead to people refusing to fight because "Hey, I didn't vote for this guy, so he's not MY President!"

This kid is in for a lot of trouble over this, possibly prison time, after being led down the path by some lawyer with a grudge and a fat account paid for by republicans.
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That won't fly with the military.

A soldier is not allowed to decide who they will follow. Claiming that Obama is not a citizen is the job of the Press, the (non-military) citizens or his opponents. NOT Private No-brains over there. (Or Sargent no-brains or any enlisted man or woman.)

If this argument where to be allowed, then in the next war people would refuse to fight based on anything they decided to make up.

Or even just because they disagree with a given war.

NO sane soldier agrees with all the reasons for a war. War is by definition an insane act of mass murder and intimidation.

So, to keep things all together, the decision to go to war, to deploy and so on is taken out of the hands of the military person, who, being reasonably sane in most cases, SHOULD refuse to go!

It would lead to people refusing to fight because "Hey, I didn't vote for this guy, so he's not MY President!"

This kid is in for a lot of trouble over this, possibly prison time, after being led down the path by some lawyer with a grudge and a fat account paid for by republicans.
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Oh dear! You still think this is a party-political issue. It's a CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE. You remember what the Constitution is, don't you?
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That won't fly with the military.

A soldier is not allowed to decide who they will follow. Claiming that Obama is not a citizen is the job of the Press, the (non-military) citizens or his opponents. NOT Private No-brains over there. (Or Sargent no-brains or any enlisted man or woman.)

If this argument where to be allowed, then in the next war people would refuse to fight based on anything they decided to make up.

Or even just because they disagree with a given war.

NO sane soldier agrees with all the reasons for a war. War is by definition an insane act of mass murder and intimidation.

So, to keep things all together, the decision to go to war, to deploy and so on is taken out of the hands of the military person, who, being reasonably sane in most cases, SHOULD refuse to go!

It would lead to people refusing to fight because "Hey, I didn't vote for this guy, so he's not MY President!"

This kid is in for a lot of trouble over this, possibly prison time, after being led down the path by some lawyer with a grudge and a fat account paid for by republicans.

Oh dear! You still think this is a party-political issue. It's a CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE. You remember what the Constitution is, don't you?
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lol

I have grown so tired of constitutional issues being argeued as some sort of partisan issue. From the response of some Obama loyalists, you would think that this is the same thing as Bill Clinton fooling about with Monica Lewinski. This is some serious shit if true and he must be immediately removed from office. Biden can take over I dont care. He is not above the Constitution.
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That won't fly with the military.

A soldier is not allowed to decide who they will follow. Claiming that Obama is not a citizen is the job of the Press, the (non-military) citizens or his opponents. NOT Private No-brains over there. (Or Sargent no-brains or any enlisted man or woman.)

If this argument where to be allowed, then in the next war people would refuse to fight based on anything they decided to make up.

Or even just because they disagree with a given war.

NO sane soldier agrees with all the reasons for a war. War is by definition an insane act of mass murder and intimidation.

So, to keep things all together, the decision to go to war, to deploy and so on is taken out of the hands of the military person, who, being reasonably sane in most cases, SHOULD refuse to go!

It would lead to people refusing to fight because "Hey, I didn't vote for this guy, so he's not MY President!"

This kid is in for a lot of trouble over this, possibly prison time, after being led down the path by some lawyer with a grudge and a fat account paid for by republicans.

Oh dear! You still think this is a party-political issue. It's a CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE. You remember what the Constitution is, don't you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718901


don't you think that the F.B.I, under George W. Bush, would have discovered that Obama really wasn't an American citizen BEFORE they let him run for president? Really, you people that believe he wasn't born in Hawaii are just plain gullible. You want to believe it because it supports your belief that President Obama is somehow not a "real" American.

He is an American, but more than that, he is YOUR president. Get over it. IF you are in the military, that statement is even more powerful-- you don't have a choice-- he IS your commander-in-chief! And every military person (current or former) I know accepts that fact without question!
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That soldier is in for some serious pain, what an idiot.
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That soldier is in for some serious pain, what an idiot.
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laugh , yup , put his non paitriot azz in the brigg
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Re: Soldier balks at deploying; says Obama isnít president
don't you think that the F.B.I, under George W. Bush, would have discovered that Obama really wasn't an American citizen BEFORE they let him run for president? Really, you people that believe he wasn't born in Hawaii are just plain gullible. You want to believe it because it supports your belief that President Obama is somehow not a "real" American.

He is an American, but more than that, he is YOUR president. Get over it. IF you are in the military, that statement is even more powerful-- you don't have a choice-- he IS your commander-in-chief! And every military person (current or former) I know accepts that fact without question!
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Well I am not willing to base that on an assumption. I want to see some G.D. Proof. The burden is on him to prove he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

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Actually, Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, two years after it became a state.


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Actually BARKY OBAMA was born in KENYA, ya stupid asshat.
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Actually, Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, two years after it became a state.





Actually BARKY OBAMA was born in KENYA, ya stupid asshat.
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The fact that where he was born is not common knowledge is evidence enough that there is a problem here.
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Actually, Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, two years after it became a state.





Actually BARKY OBAMA was born in KENYA, ya stupid asshat.



The fact that where he was born is not common knowledge is evidence enough that there is a problem here.
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If this guys gets his lawsuit clogged up in court, and it becomes a long process, many, MANY other enlisted folks will jump on this, and start to do the same thing. There will be class action lawsuits all over the place all requesting and stating the same thing.

Also, this guy isnt a private, hes an officer and a pretty high ranking one as well.
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Actually, Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, two years after it became a state.





Actually BARKY OBAMA was born in KENYA, ya stupid asshat.



The fact that where he was born is not common knowledge is evidence enough that there is a problem here.


If this guys gets his lawsuit clogged up in court, and it becomes a long process, many, MANY other enlisted folks will jump on this, and start to do the same thing. There will be class action lawsuits all over the place all requesting and stating the same thing.

Also, this guy isnt a private, hes an officer and a pretty high ranking one as well.
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He's a Major, Not really all that high ranking. but thats arguing semantics him being an officer just makes it worse. as officers generally are supposed to set an example of behavior and standards for the people below him. No soldier really looks forward to going overseas or "fighting in war" but I agree the possibility of many people following in his footsteps.
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don't you think that the F.B.I, under George W. Bush, would have discovered that Obama really wasn't an American citizen BEFORE they let him run for president?
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He is an American, but more than that, he is YOUR president. Get over it. IF you are in the military, that statement is even more powerful-- you don't have a choice-- he IS your commander-in-chief! And every military person (current or former) I know accepts that fact without question!
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You're way off base on that line of thinking. So much so I'm going to guess that you don't know any.
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Both political parties are corrupt and akin to Nazis. Shut up.
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Re: Soldier balks at deploying; says Obama isnít president
Actually, Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, two years after it became a state.





Actually BARKY OBAMA was born in KENYA, ya stupid asshat.



The fact that where he was born is not common knowledge is evidence enough that there is a problem here.
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Tell me about it..

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He is an American, but more than that, he is YOUR president. Get over it. IF you are in the military, that statement is even more powerful-- you don't have a choice-- he IS your commander-in-chief! And every military person (current or former) I know accepts that fact without question!


You're way off base on that line of thinking. So much so I'm going to guess that you don't know any.
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I agree, I wouldn't go so far as to say they accept it without question but technically as long as the orders are lawful there's very little choice in the matter without running risk of ruining ones career. Weather Barrackstar is or was eligible for the presidency is somewhat irrelevant in this matter because he IS president now, and as a military man when his orders as commander in chief come down the pipeline he as a major should follow them.
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Re: Soldier balks at deploying; says Obama isnít president
Actually, Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, two years after it became a state.





Actually BARKY OBAMA was born in KENYA, ya stupid asshat.



The fact that where he was born is not common knowledge is evidence enough that there is a problem here.

Tell me about it..

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Certificate of birth and birth certificate are not the same. Look at yours. It does not list hospital etc
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I will answer all the meaningful points here. (I will try not to forget any)

1. This man is a Major, not a Private, true. I also suggested Sargent or any other enlisted man by the way...

Mainly because an OFFICER doing this in time of war...

Well, there will be charges here, even if the man could prove he is right!

He is not under common law NOR Maritime law, but is in fact covered under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

The rules are different and HARDER on an officer than Private Shmucateli!

2. Don't kid yourself. This is not a constitutional issue. It has already been shown, several times, to be a non-issue. Obama is a citizen and has proved it in ways that you and I cannot. (Such as having state employees verify having seen and authenticated the records. Try doing that as a private citizen!)

No, this is about two separate issues. One is Politics and the other is race.

NO ONE asked Bill Clinton or G.W. Bush for their papers after all...

Why? Because they were white and we assume that means "American".

Obama has darker skin, so people lay claims as to where he was, or was not, born.

I know that no one wants to admit that they have a political or racial ax to grind, but there you have it. It is so integral to this that denying it only shows people to be liars.

3. I don't think that any proof will be enough or that any court will speak loudly enough for these people making these claims.

The simple fact is this. If Obama's proof is not good enough for you, can you prove that YOU are a citizen by the same standards you require of him?

Try some roll reversal and see if you can make the cut. I think that if you are honest you will find that you cannot inmost cases.

*But, if you claim you can, please do so, to prove your point. Thanks.

I want to see what the criteria really are.
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BAM

THIS STORY MADE IT TO THE FRONT PAGE OF THE DRUDGE REPORT.


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He's just looking for a way out. He signed up before realizing they used real bullets
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Ignorant and Stupid...education doesn't make you sane or intelligent.
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He's just looking for a way out. He signed up before realizing they used real bullets
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i think we have a winner
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But he'd happily trot off "only following orders" if the latest psychotic commander-in-chief was a real yank?
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Well I am not willing to base that on an assumption. I want to see some G.D. Proof. The burden is on him to prove he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
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Let's be honest for a moment...

There is no way you're going accept ANY proof of citizenship.

You've already made your mind up, and there's nothing anyone can do or say to change it.

Frankly I don't care either way, and in any event, it doesn't matter.

He got the job, deal with it...in silence
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Re: Soldier balks at deploying; says Obama isnít president
Actually, Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, two years after it became a state.





Actually BARKY OBAMA was born in KENYA, ya stupid asshat.



The fact that where he was born is not common knowledge is evidence enough that there is a problem here.

Tell me about it..

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Certificate of birth and birth certificate are not the same. Look at yours. It does not list hospital etc
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Thread: State of Hawaii confirms Obama was born in America

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Re: Soldier balks at deploying; says Obama isnít president
don't you think that the F.B.I, under George W. Bush, would have discovered that Obama really wasn't an American citizen BEFORE they let him run for president?
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like they're not all in the same club
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The insanity plea is not going to work anymore. Yes, I am a US Citizen, and was attacked in this Nation. If the whore-house agenda does not cease, then it is the duty of people like me who have proof not to have them be allowed to take away more Rights when they have denied what it is that some of the ex-veterans over the years have been doing. Since most of them are all white, then the military can give them orders along with the blacks. When you attack civilians, and lie about it as long as some of these people have here in this Country, you end up stating both political parties do not do what they are suppose to, except what they want to. We don't vote in dictators here, and some of these people to me are exactly that.
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Regardless of what this Major Asshat "thinks", the law of the land still applies to him as well as any other enlisted individual.

He needs to take his sniveling pussy to the front line and make the sacrifice so many before him have.

If he wanted to practice law then he should have went to law school instead of enlisting in the military.
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Unless you have been in the military yourself, you will not instantly detect this is B.S. probably. You do NOT abandon your post, you do NOT abandon your buddies, you do NOT make command decisions unless you are the commander.

He simply does NOT want to participate in Bush's wars and Obama's alleged citizenry is an excuse, that is all.

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