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DEVALUATION of the DOLLAR ~ A Tremendous Secret

 
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by John Rubino

Last week FOFOA posted a long article on the coming devaluation of the dollar and how it might play out. He thinks it will be sprung on us without warning - sooner rather than later:

The point is that during times of transition, surprises are always the order of the day. We have a crazy-out-of-control government that has given in to the temptation of printing its way out of this mess. The deflationists view this as an exercise in futility, while the inflationists say that you cannot print these amounts of dollars without it affecting the markets sooner or later.

A few cunning analysts are hedging their bets saying we will see another deflationary collapse first, followed by a bout of high inflation. But nearly all of the pundits who are still predicting "doom" have lengthened their horizon to several years to make way for the slow speed at which this train is tumbling down the tracks.

Frankly, I'm not buying it.

Call me contrarian, but I say that when the rubber band breaks this time it will snap back with a speed and fury that will make your head spin. In fact, I think that the longer this drags out (and I'm only talking weeks and months now), the more abrupt the correction will be.

Both the 38 year timeline and the 96 year timeline have created an imbalance in the fractional reserve system that has gone parabolic in the last decade. I am talking about gold. No, the price of gold has not gone parabolic, but the ratio of available gold to outstanding paper currency HAS gone parabolic. The central banks of the world are well aware of this. It is why they have slowly, inconspicuously changed from net sellers into net buyers. This gradual shift is extremely significant, because as net sellers they were supporting their own fiat regime. But now as net buyers, they, as a group, are stressing it. Why would they do this unless they knew it was about to reset?

This fractional gold reserve imbalance is the one imbalance the media and governments do not want you to know about. This is the one that will RESET the entire system. This imbalance, once corrected, will make central bank fiat currencies sustainable once again. This is why they are net buyers!

Do I think this magnitude of a reset could happen overnight? Yes, I do. Why? Because that is the way you get the most "bang for your buck". Surprise is the order of the day! "Devaluations always happen by complete surprise as to exert maximum leverage effect."


The idea that we'll wake up one day to discover that the international monetary system has been "reset" and that our dollar/euro/yen savings have taken a huge hit (while the local currency value of our gold and silver soar) reminds me of an exchange in The Virgin's Lover, by Philippa Gregory (yes, I like historical romances). The year is 1560 and the young queen Elizabeth rules a country nearly bankrupted by a Spanish alliance that produced only war and debt. The English treasury has been systemically debasing its coins by clipping and shaving them, so that their face value vastly exceeds their gold content.

Elizabeth's advisors have decided that the monetary system needs to be reset, and have been importing borrowed gold. On the appointed day they intend to call in the circulating coins and replace them - by weight rather than face value - with newly-minted coins. This devaluation will transfer citizens' wealth to the government, impoverishing the former and enriching the latter. And if all goes as planned it will come as a surprise to most of the country.

But Elizabeth's lover, Sir Robert Dudley, learns of the plan and is not happy:

Elizabeth turned and smiled at him and took his hand and held it to her cheek. "My Robert."

"Tell me, my pretty love," Robert said quietly. "Why are you bringing in boatloads of Spanish gold from Antwerp, and how are you paying for it all?"

She gave a little gasp and the color went from her face, the smile from her eyes. "Oh," she said. "That."

"Yes," he replied evenly. "That. Don't you think you had better tell me what is going on?"

"How did you find out? It is supposed to be a great secret."

"Never mind," he said. "But I am sorry to learn that you still keep secrets from me, after your promises."

"I was going to tell you," she said at once. "It is just that Scotland has driven everything from my mind."

"I am sure," he sad coldly. "For if you had continued with your forgetfulness till the day that you called in the old coin and issued new, I would have been left with a small treasure room filled with dross, would I not? And left at a substantial loss, would I not? Was it your intention that I should suffer?"

Elizabeth flushed. "I didn't know you were storing small coin."

"I have lands; my tenants do not pay their rents in bullion, alas. I have trading debts which are paid in small coin. I have chests and chests of pennies and farthings. Do tell me what I may get for them?"

"A little more than their weight," she said in a very small voice.

"Not their face value?"

She shook her head in silence. "We are calling in the coins and issuing new," she said. "It is Gresham's plan - you know of it yourself. We have to make the coins anew."

Robert let go of her hand and walked to the center of the room while she sat and watched him wondering what he would do. She realized that the sinking feeling in her belly was apprehension. For the first time in her life she was afraid what a man was thinking of her - not for policy but for love.

"Robert, don't be angry with me. I didn't mean to disadvantage you," she said and heard the weakness in her own voice.

"I know," he said shortly. "It is partly that which amazes me. Did you not think that this would cost me money?"

She gasped. "I only thought it had to be a secret, a tremendous secret, or everyone will trade among themselves and the coins will be worse and worse regarded," she said quickly. "It is an awful thing, Robert, to know that people think that your very coins are next to worthless."


Now, at least three things can be gleaned from all this:

1) FOFOA is right that the world's governments stand to gain most from a surprise devaluation, since it will prevent us commoners from preemptively swapping our paper for real things, setting off an inflation that would make an even deeper devaluation necessary.

There's a rumor that I was reluctant to mention when it first started circulating, because it seemed a little too far down the tin foil hat / black helicopter road. But in this context it seems pretty reasonable. According to widely-followed newsletter writers Harry Schultz and Bob Chapman:

"Some US embassies worldwide are being advised to purchase massive amounts of local currencies; enough to last them a year. Some embassies are being sent enormous amounts of US cash to purchase currencies from those govts, quietly. But not £'s. Inside the State Dept there is a sense of sadness & foreboding that 'something' is about to happen, unknown re a date - just that within 180 days, but could be 120-150 days."

Bob quotes another source that "Panasonic has told their people to be back in Japan by Sept 09."

Harry Schultz's remarkable take on the situation:

"My HSL suspicion is that the elite plan another FDR style "bank holiday" of indefinite length, perhaps very soon, to let the insiders sort-out the bank mess which is getting more out of their control every day. Insiders want/need to impose new bank rules. Widespread nationalization could result, already under way. It could also lead to a formal US$ devaluation, as FDR did by revaluing gold (& then confiscating it). But devalue against what? The euro? Doubtful. Gold? Maybe. Or vs. the IMF basket of currencies (which seems more likely) - & much in the news recently.

Any kind of bank holiday will push the US$ lower, which may be a bonus benefit to their ongoing scenario of letting the $ fall. Such a fall would get the devaluation they want without having to declare it. In sum, the insiders want more bank & system control, fewer banks & a lower US$. A bank holiday would suit all their needs."

2) The details of the plan will spread within an ever-widening circle of banking and government folks who, like Sir Robert, will demand the chance to profit from the insider trade of the century. Because such a secret is impossible to contain for long, once in place the plan has to be executed as soon as possible.

3) If the rest of us play it right, we'll be able to at least protect ourselves, and maybe even make out (in percentage terms at least) like Goldman Sachs no doubt will.

Harry Shultz: "Obviously, U can't open safeboxes if the banks are closed, so plan accordingly. During the FDR bank holiday, thousands of banks never reopened; it was a face-saving way of shutting them down. I would guess the same would occur today; thousands have little or no net value, loaded with debt, bad mortgages."

FOFOA: "It matters not one iota how well you do in the stock and bond markets leading up to the reset. Neither does it matter what the "gold market" does between now and then. The ONLY thing that matters is how you are positioned on that one - fateful - day! Everything will be reset and surprises will abound."


DaJ2cents The value of currency is what it can buy. It is able to buy more BEFORE a devaluation than after, regardless WHAT you purchase.
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That was an excellent article.
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by John Rubino

Last week FOFOA posted a long article on the coming devaluation of the dollar and how it might play out. He thinks it will be sprung on us without warning - sooner rather than later:
 Quoting: DaJavoo


Mid August.
Or some miracle happening (First Contact, Unhiding the hidden technology... (I would not wait for it by the way...))
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"Some US embassies worldwide are being advised to purchase massive amounts of local currencies; enough to last them a year. Some embassies are being sent enormous amounts of US cash to purchase currencies from those govts, quietly. But not £'s. Inside the State Dept there is a sense of sadness & foreboding that 'something' is about to happen, unknown re a date - just that within 180 days, but could be 120-150 days."

Bob quotes another source that "Panasonic has told their people to be back in Japan by Sept 09."
 Quoting: DaJavoo


.....a major depopulation event is in the works, it's the only solution for the situation that TPTB have engineered. All pre-planned, by design, and on track. It'll make 9/11 look like a training exercise!!! hiding
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And the American system has become so entrenched with the credit card and "plastic money" there will be no way to complain.
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SO. WHAT. DO. WE. DO.?????????
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Daj......I thought you did not like gold and silver.

I have been buying a little every chance I get. Inflation and the devaluation of the dollar is coming soon.

It will hurt me bad, but I hope to make up some of it with gold and silver.

It can never hurt to protect yourself, at least a little.



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Even in FDRs day, almost 70% of American gold remained in the "herd".
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SO. WHAT. DO. WE. DO.?????????
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Simple.

If you have plenty of money get your hands on gold and silver.

If you do not have a lot of money, get a hold of tangibles you will need, e.g., food, tools, etc.

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Daj......I thought you did not like gold and silver.

I have been buying a little every chance I get. Inflation and the devaluation of the dollar is coming soon.

It will hurt me bad, but I hope to make up some of it with gold and silver.

It can never hurt to protect yourself, at least a little.

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 Quoting: Savannah Banana..... 469493


Oh, I like them ~ I just do not have the money at hand to buy great quantities. There are other things that money will buy that may not be available at any price should a devaluation occur. I think it wise to cover all bases and not be left holding the bag with a large bank balance when they call for the holiday.
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Even in FDRs day, almost 70% of American gold remained in the "herd".
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[link to www.gold-eagle.com]

Now was there widespread illegal hoarding of gold? Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz in their book, "A Monetary History of the United States, 1867-1960" give statistics which suggest that 13.9 million ounces of gold were still in circulation in January 1934 and that only about 21.9% of the gold in circulation had been handed in.

The trouble with that statement is that it does not seem to take this 5-ounce exemption clause into account. Although we do not believe that 90 million people actually held about 5 ounces each, it would only take each adult in America to legally hold 0.15oz of gold to account for this "missing" 13.9 million ounces. Indeed, even if an attempt was made to take this 5oz exemption into account, I would consider it nigh impossible to differentiate legally held coin from illegally held coin.

How much of these 13.9 million ounces was legally held? Of course, we cannot say definitely, but it seems clear to me that even during the Great Depression, holding five ounces of gold was not an onerous task for many. How much was the average wage in America in 1933? I found a few answers by searching the Internet, but they averaged out at about $1400 per annum. That means that $100 was less than a month's wage and although the savings rate in 1933 was one of the lowest in recent American history, we suspect many households held more than $100 in savings.

Indeed, it would only take 2.8 million adults or 3% of the adult population to hold 5oz and account for the entire 13.9 million ounces of gold. When we also consider how many probably redistributed their excess gold coins to wives, sons, daughters, parents and so on to avoid confiscation, I think we can safely conclude that illegal hoarding was not a major activity.
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SO. WHAT. DO. WE. DO.?????????



Simple.

If you have plenty of money get your hands on gold and silver.

If you do not have a lot of money, get a hold of tangibles you will need, e.g., food, tools, etc.

 Quoting: DaJavoo


You might remember in 2007 I said to buy silver and copper. Silver coins were not difficult to get and copper can be had by the roll.
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OK, am I getting this right - buy gold? Maybe also silver? and maybe euros (as a hedge)?

What about debt? Hold it I assume versus pay it off?

What about assets - buy land? or wait it out?
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Simple.

If you have plenty of money get your hands on gold and silver.

If you do not have a lot of money, get a hold of tangibles you will need, e.g., food, tools, etc.

 Quoting: DaJavoo

Thank you
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I feel for the guy posting who had to trade in his suits for the wear house job. If he rented an apartment, I am wondering why he would trade for a lawn mower living there with no yard to mow. maybe he is planning on mowing lawns for income. I went through a slightly similar experience in the 1990's...my economic depression years.

That was an excellent article.
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SO. WHAT. DO. WE. DO.?????????



Simple.

If you have plenty of money get your hands on gold and silver.

If you do not have a lot of money, get a hold of tangibles you will need, e.g., food, tools, etc.



You might remember in 2007 I said to buy silver and copper. Silver coins were not difficult to get and copper can be had by the roll.
 Quoting: Prof_Rabbit


Silver is affordable and will be much better for a black market economy.

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OK, am I getting this right - buy gold? Maybe also silver? and maybe euros (as a hedge)?

What about debt? Hold it I assume versus pay it off?

What about assets - buy land? or wait it out?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 576938


Precious metals are what currency is BASED on (and should be, and will be after the 'reset.')

Funny how debt never seems to go away ~ and if there's a revaluation, I bet TPTB will find a way that the banks will still get the ORIGINAL value of balances of loans ~ they always win.

Each of us must choose priorities.

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SO. WHAT. DO. WE. DO.?????????



Simple.

If you have plenty of money get your hands on gold and silver.

If you do not have a lot of money, get a hold of tangibles you will need, e.g., food, tools, etc.


Thank you
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I know you're talking about future devaluation but it still shocks some people to see the dollar was worth this same amount back in 1992 and 1995

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Simple.

If you have plenty of money get your hands on gold and silver.

If you do not have a lot of money, get a hold of tangibles you will need, e.g., food, tools, etc.

 Quoting: DaJavoo


The gold silver part is:

BULL SHIT!!!!!!

You wanna know why its BULL SHIT?

Ask yourself - if gold and silver are going to worth so much in the near future why in the hell would you sell it???

We are in and will continue to be a deflationary cycle for 5 to 10 years. Marc Faber said that and he's quite the Doomster.

Because its a scam and for the next 10 years gold price will do nothing but stagnate or go down, all the while remain connected to the dollar.

The dollar isn't going anywhere but up for awhile. TPTB have been controlling this for years and China, Russia, Japan, and the rest of the group's currency is tied to the dollar. China may be pissed but they're bluffing. Their currency is directly tied to the success of the dollar.

The gold / silver manipulators have been at this for years. I'm NOT for the way things are currently handled but if I were you I'd hang on to some CASH because that what will be accepted for say your rent or mortgage, food, and things you need.

If the dollar collapses it'll first be devalued to say %50 but this is YEARS away. If there is Super or Hyper Inflation it won't be for a long time. Gold mean while is going to go to $500 to $600 per once or lower. Silver will do the same.
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I'm not really an elliot wave fan but you may want to read this:

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OK, am I getting this right - buy gold? Maybe also silver? and maybe euros (as a hedge)?

What about debt? Hold it I assume versus pay it off?

What about assets - buy land? or wait it out?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 576938



i'd avoid other currencies like that. they'll go down when we do

And maybe I'm just looking at all the facts with closed eyes but I think Government Sachs and the Fed reserve will be able to prop up the dollar from complete and utter failure for as long as the Chinese want to prop up their part of it.
Not saying the Chinese dont want to be the world super power but I think they see it'll be better for them to just to wait until we tear ourselves down...i see us hanging on for a couple of more years maybe up to 5 but after that it doesnt look pretty
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:Got a Job?:stay thursty my friend. and safe!!! later
What happened to my beloved GLP????.
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hey daj...more connect the dots

thanks for the article
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Simple.

If you have plenty of money get your hands on gold and silver.

If you do not have a lot of money, get a hold of tangibles you will need, e.g., food, tools, etc.



The gold silver part is:

BULL SHIT!!!!!!

You wanna know why its BULL SHIT?

Ask yourself - if gold and silver are going to worth so much in the near future why in the hell would you sell it???

We are in and will continue to be a deflationary cycle for 5 to 10 years. Marc Faber said that and he's quite the Doomster.

Because its a scam and for the next 10 years gold price will do nothing but stagnate or go down, all the while remain connected to the dollar.

The dollar isn't going anywhere but up for awhile. TPTB have been controlling this for years and China, Russia, Japan, and the rest of the group's currency is tied to the dollar. China may be pissed but they're bluffing. Their currency is directly tied to the success of the dollar.

The gold / silver manipulators have been at this for years. I'm NOT for the way things are currently handled but if I were you I'd hang on to some CASH because that what will be accepted for say your rent or mortgage, food, and things you need.

If the dollar collapses it'll first be devalued to say %50 but this is YEARS away. If there is Super or Hyper Inflation it won't be for a long time. Gold mean while is going to go to $500 to $600 per once or lower. Silver will do the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 727070


I disagree. There is INTRINSIC value in many things, our labor, tools, land, et.al. ~ precious metals, due to their scarcity as well as application in manufacturing have always held their VALUE.

Oh, yes ~ the 'market' is rigged and those trading in pms are doing so to take a 'profit.' The point of this article is that with a DEVALUATION that only those left holding something of intrinsic value keep from losing all their marbles.

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:Got a Job?:stay thursty my friend. and safe!!! later
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Nice graphic!


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hey daj...more connect the dots

thanks for the article
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The drizzly part is that many are saying it's a Summer of Hell and an Autumn of Despair.

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It's all a game to them:

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I'm thinking most of the above has more to do with the second wave of Swine Flu this fall than a currency devaluation.
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