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Panel: Skip Most Safety, Efficacy Tests to Get Swine Flu Vaccine in September

 
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July 17, 2009 -- Pandemic swine flu vaccine should be fast-tracked, with vaccinations starting in mid-September -- soon after schools open.

That recommendation came today in a unanimous vote by the National Biodefense Safety Board (NBSB), an influential board of outside advisors to Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

Getting swine flu vaccine by September means skipping all but the most preliminary clinical tests of vaccine safety and effectiveness. But it means getting some 60 million to 80 million doses nearly at the same time the CDC expects the next wave of the pandemic to hit the U.S.

"We cannot wait beyond mid-August [to make a decision] if vaccine is to be in supply by mid-September," the panel's pandemic influenza working group states in its recommendations. "A critical goal is to have some [standalone] novel H1N1 vaccine available by mid-September 2009, should it be needed."

Why rush through a swine flu vaccine? The first wave of the swine flu pandemic is only just starting to ebb in the U.S. But the virus spreads quickly among children -- and the nation's schools begin opening in late August.

"A second wave is likely to occur, as soon as fall 2009," the recommendations state. "Best estimates suggest that infection rates will be two to three times higher than expected with seasonal influenza. The second wave could peak in October, but we must anticipate onset as early as September."

Initial doses likely will go to those most severely hit by the pandemic so far: infants, toddlers, school-age children, pregnant women, and adults with risk factors for severe flu disease. Next week, the CDC's vaccine advisory board will recommend a priority list for exactly who will first get the vaccine.

The NBSB recommendation puts into words a fear that government officials have so far expressed only privately.

"Having vaccine only after the peak [of the pandemic] may be worse than having no vaccine at all: It incurs all of the risk and cost with no potential benefit," the recommendation reads.

The National Biodefense Science Board advises Sebelius on emergency preparedness for biological threats. Whether to act on the NBSB's decision is up to her -- and, ultimately, to President Barack Obama.

Why deploy a vaccine that hasn't completed safety and efficacy testing? Because we already have a lot of experience with similar vaccines, concluded the NBSB flu vaccine working group, led by University of Utah flu expert Andrew Pavia, MD.

Pandemic swine flu is a type A, H1N1 flu virus. For decades, a type A H1N1 vaccine has been part of the regular seasonal flu vaccine, and the new vaccine is made exactly the same way.

Fast-tracking the vaccine will mean guessing at the best dose, but that's an educated guess based on the well-established dosage for the seasonal H1N1 vaccine.

A more critical guess is whether people will be protected against the new flu bug with only one shot of vaccine. The NBSB working group suggests that previous exposure to H1N1 virus and H1N1 vaccine will prime virtually the entire population so that only one dose is needed -- even though the seasonal vaccine does not protect against pandemic swine flu.

Fast-tracking the vaccine would also mean deciding who's first in line. Robin Robinson, PhD, director of BARDA, the Health and Human Services agency responsible for the logistics of emergency medical supplies, says 60-80 million doses could be available in mid-September -- if vaccine makers start packaging their products in mid-August. Similar quantities would follow in each subsequent month until demand was met.

Voting members of the NBSB include experts from universities, the pharmaceutical industry, and medical groups. NBSB chairwoman Patricia Quinlisk, MD, MPH -- who was absent from today's telephone-based meeting -- is director of the Iowa health department. Non-voting members of the NBSB include representatives of the White House, the Health and Human Services Department, national security agencies, the FDA, and NASA.

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I can't flipping believe this article. Skip most safety tests to get the vaccine out faster? Do they think we're idiots?
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They'll get it right before the true pandemic starts.

That's all that counts.
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They'll get it right before the true pandemic starts.

That's all that counts.
 Quoting: THE LIGHT


What do you mean?
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They'll get it right before the true pandemic starts.

That's all that counts.
 Quoting: THE LIGHT


What if people are harmed because they didn't do the safety tests? Doesn't that "count"?
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I'd much rather take my chances with swine flu than have them inject me with their toxins.
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I'd much rather take my chances with swine flu than have them inject me with their toxins.
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Exactly! Now they are trying to say that the swine flu is going to destroy the economy and we have to take the shot to protect the economy ... crazy!
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Let’s review this article again by removing the attempted justification statements, shall we?

July 17, 2009 -- Pandemic swine flu vaccine should be fast-tracked, with vaccinations starting in mid-September -- soon after schools open.

That recommendation came today in a unanimous vote by the National Biodefense Safety Board (NBSB), an influential board of outside advisors to Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

Getting swine flu vaccine by September means skipping all but the most preliminary clinical tests of vaccine safety and effectiveness.

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Fast-tracking the vaccine will mean guessing at the best dose…

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The National Biodefense Science Board advises Sebelius on emergency preparedness for biological threats. Whether to act on the NBSB's decision is up to her – and, ultimately, to President Barack Obama.

 Quoting: fin twin 729235


As I have previously stated, three of the most critical questions one must ask and set as a goal to answer when making a personal determination about consenting to any vaccine:

1. Is the vaccine safe (all types of vaccines - historically to current. Look at the science; it should stand on its own merit without the need for anyone's explanation.)?

2. Is the vaccine effective (all types of vaccines - historically to current. Look at the science; it should stand on its own merit without the need for anyone's explanation.)?

3. Are you willing to put your health and the health of your children (if one has children) in all the hands of those responsible for this vaccine - WHO, CDC, vaccine companies, governments administering?


The info exposed in this article makes answering those questions quite a simple task.

I'm curious of Obama's response, if, in fact, it is his decision:

Will he continue to be the TPTB puppet?

Or will he protect the people by first demanding the vaccines be tested safe and effective before administration or, at minimum, provide the people with an option of true voluntary consent?

This will be another test to determine for whom he actually works.

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Licensed vaccines, including influenza vaccines, are held to a very high standard of safety. Likewise, all possible precautions will be taken to ensure safety of new pandemic vaccines and results from clinical trials, currently ongoing or soon to be initiated, will be taken into consideration by the regulatory authorities in their decision to license pandemic vaccines. In early June, WHO held a consultation of experts which reviewed the safety of adjuvants, or substances added to vaccines to make them more effective; no significant safety concerns were identified. Vaccine safety will be carefully monitored through post-marketing surveillance.
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The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act, as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of the word liberty; and precisely the same difference prevails today among human creatures.
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I move to pin this thread for the info this article exposes. This is vital information for the masses...er....the masses of GLP.

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Licensed vaccines, including influenza vaccines, are held to a very high standard of safety. Likewise, all possible precautions will be taken to ensure safety of new pandemic vaccines and results from clinical trials,...

 Quoting: THE LIGHT


No, you obviously didn't read the article. Read it again slowly for full comprehension. Your pat, scripted response doesn't apply here, but you would know that if you actually read the article and understood what you are posting rather than following someone's direction.

By the bye, it is proper protocol to cite your sources. Please do so with your above claims.

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It's a BOT.

Read these articles that go into chilling horrific details about vaccines and how dangerous they are.


htt://www.thinktwice.com
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I move to pin this thread for the info this article exposes. This is vital information for the masses...er....the masses of GLP.

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I hereby concur with said statement, your honor?

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all typed all of that nonsense just to say that.


the article is about vaccine safety as was my response.

is your hatred for free speech that immense or are you just a ego maniacal jerk?

you are a fool "patriot" it seems like you inhaled too much Chloride Dioxide in your quest to make your own vaccination.
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It's a BOT.

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The BOT's stupidity is painful to watch; however, it's s desperation is becoming quite humorous.

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I move to pin this thread for the info this article exposes. This is vital information for the masses...er....the masses of GLP.

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I hereby concur with said statement, your honor?
 Quoting: foxtrotyankeeindia



Looks like the motion has been seconded.

Move to pass...er pin...mods?

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you are a fool "*******" it seems like you inhaled too much Chloride Dioxide in your quest to make your own vaccination.
 Quoting: THE LIGHT

By now it should be clear to see for everyone, who the real "fool" is...
You are a guest here "THE LIGHT", you should remember this more often. You are unwanted here :D
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all typed all of that nonsense just to say that.


the article is about vaccine safety as was my response.

is your hatred for free speech that immense or are you just a ego maniacal jerk?

you are a fool "patriot" it seems like you inhaled too much Chloride Dioxide in your quest to make your own vaccination.
 Quoting: THE LIGHT



No we have seen your repeated post on every thread about vaccinations. Please post something new and original. Your post is totally outrageous in light of the last swine flu outbreak that was holted because of deaths do the vaccine.

So while you do have the right of free speech, practice it somewhere else where people are more gulable than here on GLP, because no one believe your rubbish. It has been shone time and time again in numerous posts the harm that vaccines can and do create for some people. Iam not sure who is paying you but I hope it is a large amount and enough to compensate you for the guilt your will feel when people start dying because of your recommendations.
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Allow me to show you where your scripted, un-cited piece does not apply:

Licensed vaccines, including influenza vaccines, are held to a very high standard of safety. Likewise, all possible precautions will be taken to ensure safety of new pandemic vaccines and results from clinical trials, currently ongoing or soon to be initiated, will be taken into consideration by the regulatory authorities in their decision to license pandemic vaccines.

 Quoting: THE LIGHT


This PR statement sounds great; however, when you compare it to the info in the published article in the opening post, clearly the “all possible precautions” loophole is being used. In other words, “it’s not possible given the timeframe” as is presented by the National Biodefense Safety Board (NBSB).

Safety and efficacy testing will not be conducted under the “fast track” and thus your (or whomever wrote them) statements are not applicable here.

In early June, WHO held a consultation of experts which reviewed the safety of adjuvants, or substances added to vaccines to make them more effective; no significant safety concerns were identified.

 Quoting: THE LIGHT


Possibly tested individually but, have they tested the combination – the compound – WITH the live viruses to determine safety? No and per the info in the article, they don’t plan to do so.

Vaccine safety will be carefully monitored through post-marketing surveillance.

 Quoting: THE LIGHT


And this is my favorite: “post-marketing surveillance”. This statement given the conditions outlined in the article means ‘we will monitor the reactions in vaccine subjects AFTER the untested vaccine is administered’.

So, no, LIGHT, your scripted piece falls far, far short here.

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all typed all of that nonsense just to say that.


the article is about vaccine safety as was my response.

is your hatred for free speech that immense or are you just a ego maniacal jerk?

you are a fool "patriot" it seems like you inhaled too much Chloride Dioxide in your quest to make your own vaccination.



No we have seen your repeated post on every thread about vaccinations. Please post something new and original. Your post is totally outrageous in light of the last swine flu outbreak that was holted because of deaths do the vaccine.

So while you do have the right of free speech, practice it somewhere else where people are more gulable than here on GLP, because no one believe your rubbish. It has been shone time and time again in numerous posts the harm that vaccines can and do create for some people. Iam not sure who is paying you but I hope it is a large amount and enough to compensate you for the guilt your will feel when people start dying because of your recommendations.
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Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) is an acute disorder of the nervous system. It sometimes develops following a variety of infections, including influenza. Studies suggest that seasonal influenza vaccines could sometimes be associated with an increased risk of Guillain-Barré syndrome on the order of one to two cases per million vaccinated persons. During the 1976 influenza vaccination campaign, about 10 persons per million vaccinated persons developed GBS which stopped the vaccination campaign and led to the withdrawal of the vaccine.

The reason why GBS developed in association with that specific vaccine has never been firmly established. The potential for the development of a similar risk with future vaccines can never be firmly excluded. However, the influenza A (H1N1) vaccine will be manufactured according to established standards and post marketing surveillance will be conducted to monitor potential development of any serious adverse events following administration of vaccine. Safety monitoring systems are an integral part of strategies for the implementation of the new pandemic influenza vaccines.
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Soon it will be time to FIGHT!
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Im not worried about Guillen Bar syndrome.
It affects 1 out of 1 million.
Im worried about other things in it like cancers.
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... Safety monitoring systems are an integral part of strategies for the implementation of the new pandemic influenza vaccines.

 Quoting: THE LIGHT


Yes, in this case, AFTER a vaccine NOT tested for safety or efficacy is administered to the population.

BTW, look very closely at the comparison of diagnostic criteria for GBS and POLIO. Quite an eye-opener. One might just surmise that they changed the name, because, after all, we've all been (majority) vaccinated against polio, right?

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... Safety monitoring systems are an integral part of strategies for the implementation of the new pandemic influenza vaccines.



Yes, in this case, AFTER a vaccine NOT tested for safety or efficacy is administered to the population.

BTW, look very closely at the comparison of diagnostic criteria for GBS and POLIO. Quite an eye-opener. One might just surmise that they changed the name, because, after all, we've all been (majority) vaccinated against polio, right?

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 Quoting: TX PATRIOT 729272

GBS 1 out of 1 million go look at the figures.
Can you imagine how many other things these vaccines have caused but are not directly attributable to vaccines?
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GBS 1 out of 1 million go look at the figures.
Can you imagine how many other things these vaccines have caused but are not directly attributable to vaccines?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717854


Indeed, AC. They pulled this same "no time for safety testing" shit in 1976. I don't think that strategy will work again.

But, yes, we are talking about a gov who not only approves but actively promotes and, in many cases, forces toxins like fluoride on the people.

From where I sit: evil fuckers all of them.

Dante must have a special level in hell reserved just for those who commit such crimes against humanity.

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BUMP for critical info in the article.

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BUMP for critical info in the article.

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Another 'to the front page' this should be pinned bump.

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They'll get it right before the true pandemic starts.

That's all that counts.
 Quoting: THE LIGHT

Your smart,so tell me why are they unable to have a vaccine for seasonal flu that claims more lives world wide, yet in a short period pull out of a hat like a magician the H1N1 vaccine?
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so all you "nothing to see or worry about" woo woo

think we are still full of crap?

either they are trying to kill us or warn us...me I am taking the warning about the flu...not gonna take the vaccine...gonna SIP
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so all you "nothing to see or worry about" woo woo

think we are still full of crap?

either they are trying to kill us or warn us...me I am taking the warning about the flu...not gonna take the vaccine...gonna SIP
 Quoting: Avian

Heeded the warnings months ago on your thread.Maybe the light is an insider and knows something we do not.Regardless,the whole thing stinks since day 1 when Baxters pharmecuticals were caught with their pants down.So im not taking the vaccine either.
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I'm surprised they admit they are going to skip most of the safety trials. Maybe they ARE trying to warn us? Don't "they" always tell us exactly what they are going to do before they do it?





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