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THE LIGHT User ID: 718240 United States 07/19/2009 02:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They'll get it right before the true pandemic starts. That's all that counts. [link to www.who.int] [link to www.cdc.gov] The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act, as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of the word liberty; and precisely the same difference prevails today among human creatures. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 729235 United States 07/19/2009 02:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'd much rather take my chances with swine flu than have them inject me with their toxins. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 721003Exactly! Now they are trying to say that the swine flu is going to destroy the economy and we have to take the shot to protect the economy ... crazy! |
TX PATRIOT User ID: 729272 Thailand 07/19/2009 05:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let’s review this article again by removing the attempted justification statements, shall we? July 17, 2009 -- Pandemic swine flu vaccine should be fast-tracked, with vaccinations starting in mid-September -- soon after schools open. Quoting: fin twin 729235That recommendation came today in a unanimous vote by the National Biodefense Safety Board (NBSB), an influential board of outside advisors to Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. Getting swine flu vaccine by September means skipping all but the most preliminary clinical tests of vaccine safety and effectiveness. <Snip> Fast-tracking the vaccine will mean guessing at the best dose… <Snip> The National Biodefense Science Board advises Sebelius on emergency preparedness for biological threats. Whether to act on the NBSB's decision is up to her – and, ultimately, to President Barack Obama. As I have previously stated, three of the most critical questions one must ask and set as a goal to answer when making a personal determination about consenting to any vaccine: 1. Is the vaccine safe (all types of vaccines - historically to current. Look at the science; it should stand on its own merit without the need for anyone's explanation.)? 2. Is the vaccine effective (all types of vaccines - historically to current. Look at the science; it should stand on its own merit without the need for anyone's explanation.)? 3. Are you willing to put your health and the health of your children (if one has children) in all the hands of those responsible for this vaccine - WHO, CDC, vaccine companies, governments administering? The info exposed in this article makes answering those questions quite a simple task. I'm curious of Obama's response, if, in fact, it is his decision: Will he continue to be the TPTB puppet? Or will he protect the people by first demanding the vaccines be tested safe and effective before administration or, at minimum, provide the people with an option of true voluntary consent? This will be another test to determine for whom he actually works. . |
THE LIGHT User ID: 718240 United States 07/19/2009 05:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Licensed vaccines, including influenza vaccines, are held to a very high standard of safety. Likewise, all possible precautions will be taken to ensure safety of new pandemic vaccines and results from clinical trials, currently ongoing or soon to be initiated, will be taken into consideration by the regulatory authorities in their decision to license pandemic vaccines. In early June, WHO held a consultation of experts which reviewed the safety of adjuvants, or substances added to vaccines to make them more effective; no significant safety concerns were identified. Vaccine safety will be carefully monitored through post-marketing surveillance. [link to www.who.int] [link to www.cdc.gov] The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act, as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of the word liberty; and precisely the same difference prevails today among human creatures. |
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TX PATRIOT User ID: 729272 Thailand 07/19/2009 05:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Licensed vaccines, including influenza vaccines, are held to a very high standard of safety. Likewise, all possible precautions will be taken to ensure safety of new pandemic vaccines and results from clinical trials,... Quoting: THE LIGHTNo, you obviously didn't read the article. Read it again slowly for full comprehension. Your pat, scripted response doesn't apply here, but you would know that if you actually read the article and understood what you are posting rather than following someone's direction. By the bye, it is proper protocol to cite your sources. Please do so with your above claims. . |
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foxtrotyankeeindia User ID: 340808 New Zealand 07/19/2009 05:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I move to pin this thread for the info this article exposes. This is vital information for the masses...er....the masses of GLP. Quoting: TX PATRIOT 729272. I hereby concur with said statement, your honor? Last Edited by foxtrotyankeeindia on 07/19/2009 05:37 AM |
THE LIGHT User ID: 718240 United States 07/19/2009 05:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: TX PATRIOT 729272all typed all of that nonsense just to say that. the article is about vaccine safety as was my response. is your hatred for free speech that immense or are you just a ego maniacal jerk? you are a fool "patriot" it seems like you inhaled too much Chloride Dioxide in your quest to make your own vaccination. [link to www.who.int] [link to www.cdc.gov] The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act, as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of the word liberty; and precisely the same difference prevails today among human creatures. |
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TX PATRIOT User ID: 729272 Thailand 07/19/2009 05:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I move to pin this thread for the info this article exposes. This is vital information for the masses...er....the masses of GLP. Quoting: foxtrotyankeeindia. I hereby concur with said statement, your honor? Looks like the motion has been seconded. Move to pass...er pin...mods? . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 729299 Germany 07/19/2009 05:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you are a fool "*******" it seems like you inhaled too much Chloride Dioxide in your quest to make your own vaccination. Quoting: THE LIGHTBy now it should be clear to see for everyone, who the real "fool" is... You are a guest here "THE LIGHT", you should remember this more often. You are unwanted here :D |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 693327 United States 07/19/2009 06:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: THE LIGHTall typed all of that nonsense just to say that. the article is about vaccine safety as was my response. is your hatred for free speech that immense or are you just a ego maniacal jerk? you are a fool "patriot" it seems like you inhaled too much Chloride Dioxide in your quest to make your own vaccination. No we have seen your repeated post on every thread about vaccinations. Please post something new and original. Your post is totally outrageous in light of the last swine flu outbreak that was holted because of deaths do the vaccine. So while you do have the right of free speech, practice it somewhere else where people are more gulable than here on GLP, because no one believe your rubbish. It has been shone time and time again in numerous posts the harm that vaccines can and do create for some people. Iam not sure who is paying you but I hope it is a large amount and enough to compensate you for the guilt your will feel when people start dying because of your recommendations. |
TX PATRIOT User ID: 729272 Thailand 07/19/2009 06:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Allow me to show you where your scripted, un-cited piece does not apply: Licensed vaccines, including influenza vaccines, are held to a very high standard of safety. Likewise, all possible precautions will be taken to ensure safety of new pandemic vaccines and results from clinical trials, currently ongoing or soon to be initiated, will be taken into consideration by the regulatory authorities in their decision to license pandemic vaccines. Quoting: THE LIGHTThis PR statement sounds great; however, when you compare it to the info in the published article in the opening post, clearly the “all possible precautions” loophole is being used. In other words, “it’s not possible given the timeframe” as is presented by the National Biodefense Safety Board (NBSB). Safety and efficacy testing will not be conducted under the “fast track” and thus your (or whomever wrote them) statements are not applicable here. In early June, WHO held a consultation of experts which reviewed the safety of adjuvants, or substances added to vaccines to make them more effective; no significant safety concerns were identified. Quoting: THE LIGHTPossibly tested individually but, have they tested the combination – the compound – WITH the live viruses to determine safety? No and per the info in the article, they don’t plan to do so. Vaccine safety will be carefully monitored through post-marketing surveillance. Quoting: THE LIGHTAnd this is my favorite: “post-marketing surveillance”. This statement given the conditions outlined in the article means ‘we will monitor the reactions in vaccine subjects AFTER the untested vaccine is administered’. So, no, LIGHT, your scripted piece falls far, far short here. . |
THE LIGHT User ID: 718240 United States 07/19/2009 06:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 693327all typed all of that nonsense just to say that. the article is about vaccine safety as was my response. is your hatred for free speech that immense or are you just a ego maniacal jerk? you are a fool "patriot" it seems like you inhaled too much Chloride Dioxide in your quest to make your own vaccination. No we have seen your repeated post on every thread about vaccinations. Please post something new and original. Your post is totally outrageous in light of the last swine flu outbreak that was holted because of deaths do the vaccine. So while you do have the right of free speech, practice it somewhere else where people are more gulable than here on GLP, because no one believe your rubbish. It has been shone time and time again in numerous posts the harm that vaccines can and do create for some people. Iam not sure who is paying you but I hope it is a large amount and enough to compensate you for the guilt your will feel when people start dying because of your recommendations. Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) is an acute disorder of the nervous system. It sometimes develops following a variety of infections, including influenza. Studies suggest that seasonal influenza vaccines could sometimes be associated with an increased risk of Guillain-Barré syndrome on the order of one to two cases per million vaccinated persons. During the 1976 influenza vaccination campaign, about 10 persons per million vaccinated persons developed GBS which stopped the vaccination campaign and led to the withdrawal of the vaccine. The reason why GBS developed in association with that specific vaccine has never been firmly established. The potential for the development of a similar risk with future vaccines can never be firmly excluded. However, the influenza A (H1N1) vaccine will be manufactured according to established standards and post marketing surveillance will be conducted to monitor potential development of any serious adverse events following administration of vaccine. Safety monitoring systems are an integral part of strategies for the implementation of the new pandemic influenza vaccines. [link to www.who.int] [link to www.cdc.gov] The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act, as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of the word liberty; and precisely the same difference prevails today among human creatures. |
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TX PATRIOT User ID: 729272 Thailand 07/19/2009 06:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Safety monitoring systems are an integral part of strategies for the implementation of the new pandemic influenza vaccines. Quoting: THE LIGHTYes, in this case, AFTER a vaccine NOT tested for safety or efficacy is administered to the population. BTW, look very closely at the comparison of diagnostic criteria for GBS and POLIO. Quite an eye-opener. One might just surmise that they changed the name, because, after all, we've all been (majority) vaccinated against polio, right? . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 717854 United States 07/19/2009 06:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Safety monitoring systems are an integral part of strategies for the implementation of the new pandemic influenza vaccines. Quoting: TX PATRIOT 729272Yes, in this case, AFTER a vaccine NOT tested for safety or efficacy is administered to the population. BTW, look very closely at the comparison of diagnostic criteria for GBS and POLIO. Quite an eye-opener. One might just surmise that they changed the name, because, after all, we've all been (majority) vaccinated against polio, right? . GBS 1 out of 1 million go look at the figures. Can you imagine how many other things these vaccines have caused but are not directly attributable to vaccines? |
TX PATRIOT User ID: 729272 Thailand 07/19/2009 06:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GBS 1 out of 1 million go look at the figures. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717854Can you imagine how many other things these vaccines have caused but are not directly attributable to vaccines? Indeed, AC. They pulled this same "no time for safety testing" shit in 1976. I don't think that strategy will work again. But, yes, we are talking about a gov who not only approves but actively promotes and, in many cases, forces toxins like fluoride on the people. From where I sit: evil fuckers all of them. Dante must have a special level in hell reserved just for those who commit such crimes against humanity. . |
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VAYA CON DIOS User ID: 595165 United Kingdom 07/19/2009 09:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They'll get it right before the true pandemic starts. Quoting: THE LIGHTThat's all that counts. Your smart,so tell me why are they unable to have a vaccine for seasonal flu that claims more lives world wide, yet in a short period pull out of a hat like a magician the H1N1 vaccine? "Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! " |
Avian User ID: 684156 United States 07/19/2009 09:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so all you "nothing to see or worry about" woo woo think we are still full of crap? either they are trying to kill us or warn us...me I am taking the warning about the flu...not gonna take the vaccine...gonna SIP "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frédéric Bastiat food, water, ammo, weapons, battery back up solar, hand well pump, wood stove and 1 year of food...oh yeah PM's too...good luck |
VAYA CON DIOS User ID: 595165 United Kingdom 07/19/2009 09:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so all you "nothing to see or worry about" woo woo Quoting: Avianthink we are still full of crap? either they are trying to kill us or warn us...me I am taking the warning about the flu...not gonna take the vaccine...gonna SIP Heeded the warnings months ago on your thread.Maybe the light is an insider and knows something we do not.Regardless,the whole thing stinks since day 1 when Baxters pharmecuticals were caught with their pants down.So im not taking the vaccine either. "Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! " |
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