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OUTRAGE!!! Commerce Secretary: America needs to pay for China’s emissions!!!

 
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It’s bad enough that the Obama administration wants to penalize all Americans for their energy use through the cap-and-tax scheme that will hobble our economy and hike electricity and gas costs, but until now they only proposed to penalize us for our own energy use. With China refusing to join the West in economic suicide, who will pay for their emissions? Commerce Secretary says that the American consumer is to blame for China’s energy-production emissions — and we’ll pay for that instead of the Chinese:

Commerce Secretary Gary Locke said something amazing—U.S. consumers should pay for part of Chinese greenhouse-gas emissions. From Reuters:

“It’s important that those who consume the products being made all around the world to the benefit of America — and it’s our own consumption activity that’s causing the emission of greenhouse gases, then quite frankly Americans need to pay for that,” Commerce Secretary Gary Locke told the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai.

The idea that rich-country consumers should pick up the tab for some of China’s industrial emissions has been gaining currency lately—but not from within the Obama administration. The argument is that many of China’s factories churn out cheap stuff for the West, not for domestic consumption, so those consumers are actually responsible for the emissions. China, of course, loves the idea.

Commerce sent this non-responsive statement to the Wall Street Journal when they reported this late Friday night:

“Secretary Locke has been very clear on emphasizing the importance of fair trade as a part of the United States’ relationship with China. He believes U.S. companies should not be disadvantaged by Chinese imports not bound by responsible policies to reduce carbon emissions. China and the US must work together to ensure a level playing field and reduce our carbon footprints. The Secretary’s trip to China demonstrated his commitment to fair trade and his belief that both the United States and China can benefit from shared investments and cooperation in clean energy that will lead to commercial and environmental benefits for both countries.”

This could happen in one of two ways. The Obama administration could make cap-and-tax more expensive in order to make up for the emissions from China, which would absolutely delight Beijing. In fact, that would allow them an easily-adjustable pressure point on the American economy by simply increasing their emissions. If the US increased the penalties for domestic emissions in order to compensate, the Chinese could sell their good much more cheaply in the US than domestic producers.

The other option would be energy-production tariffs on imported goods, which would touch off a trade war with China. That would make goods more expensive in the US at the same time energy bills begin to skyrocket, launching an inflationary spiral and begging China for retaliation. Since China holds a large amount of US debt, that retaliation could get extremely expensive for both countries.

The US does not need to pay for China’s carbon emissions, even if the “greenhouse effect” presents a danger to the planet, a theory which increasingly looks suspect. This is yet another version of the blame-America impulse in the Obama administration, one that will hit us all in the wallet — and in our outlets and furnaces.
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I can't believe people still worry about any of this. We are very close to a total collapse and everyone still pretends anything CONgress and the President does matters. This will all be forgotten when the history is written after the chaos and war are over.
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I'd go for that but only under ONE condition: The Chinese STOP putting poison in the goods they export to us and if they don't they pay for the health care costs relating to the poison, including compensation to those families that have been affected by the poisons brought in by the Chinese goods.

Frankly I feel that we have a back door war going with China. I mean we aren't able to say what they put in the products they import and now we are supposed to pay for their emissions. While we focus on everything else they continually send unsafe products to our country and the government is seemingly oblivious to the fact that those products are harming AMERICANS and now they want us to pay for the emissions put out by China... I think not... I'll continue to by local if I can.
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I think "our" ENTIRE Government is nakedly treasonous.
EVERY move they make is ANTI-CITIZEN.
Not to mention Anti-American.
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This is crazy.
We already buy too much of their cheap crap, & now we're gonna wind up paying them to make it & pollute.....
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I think "our" ENTIRE Government is nakedly treasonous.
EVERY move they make is ANTI-CITIZEN.
Not to mention Anti-American.
 Quoting: ScrumpTheTexan

wtf
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Americans need to spend the next 230 years in slavery to compensate the rest of the world for our past 230 years of freedom.
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EVERY move they make is ANTI-CITIZEN.
Not to mention Anti-American.

wtf
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What about that did you not understand?
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Americans need to spend the next 230 years in slavery to compensate the rest of the world for our past 230 years of freedom.
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...seems to be where we're heading
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I think "our" ENTIRE Government is nakedly treasonous.
EVERY move they make is ANTI-CITIZEN.
Not to mention Anti-American.
 Quoting: ScrumpTheTexan


I hope this isn't a joke because it's a very important issue. Why the hell should we be paying for China's crappy air when we're already paying for their crappy products.
I am on my 3rd am/fm radio MADE IN CHINA in a year. None of them have lasted more than a couple of months and my new one, barely 3 weeks old - the earphones are already breaking down.
I worked in a hardware store & old time handymen/contractors wouldn't by hammers/screwdrivers/chisels, etc if they were made in China. They said that they didn't hold up like USA made tools.
The Amerikan sheeple better wake up as we are experiencing the big squeeze play from all sides to do us in and end our way of life. I pity the next generations in Amerika.
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I think "our" ENTIRE Government is nakedly treasonous.
EVERY move they make is ANTI-CITIZEN.
Not to mention Anti-American.


I hope this isn't a joke because it's a very important issue. Why the hell should we be paying for China's crappy air when we're already paying for their crappy products.
I am on my 3rd am/fm radio MADE IN CHINA in a year. None of them have lasted more than a couple of months and my new one, barely 3 weeks old - the earphones are already breaking down.
I worked in a hardware store & old time handymen/contractors wouldn't by hammers/screwdrivers/chisels, etc if they were made in China. They said that they didn't hold up like USA made tools.
The Amerikan sheeple better wake up as we are experiencing the big squeeze play from all sides to do us in and end our way of life. I pity the next generations in Amerika.
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LOL...the joke is that you have bought THREE of these radios. YOU don't even wake up!
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I think "our" ENTIRE Government is nakedly treasonous.
EVERY move they make is ANTI-CITIZEN.
Not to mention Anti-American.


I hope this isn't a joke because it's a very important issue. Why the hell should we be paying for China's crappy air when we're already paying for their crappy products.
I am on my 3rd am/fm radio MADE IN CHINA in a year. None of them have lasted more than a couple of months and my new one, barely 3 weeks old - the earphones are already breaking down.
I worked in a hardware store & old time handymen/contractors wouldn't by hammers/screwdrivers/chisels, etc if they were made in China. They said that they didn't hold up like USA made tools.
The Amerikan sheeple better wake up as we are experiencing the big squeeze play from all sides to do us in and end our way of life. I pity the next generations in Amerika.
 Quoting: Videobarbs 452711

No joke.
These thieves are killing our Country.
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Thanks for posting this story, OP. I can't understand why it has not received more attention!

I heard about it yesterday on the Glenn Beck broadcast.

THIS IS INSANITY!!!

THIS IS INSANITY!!!

THIS IS INSANITY!!!

Why is this thread not pinned?

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Why?
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They make the profits off it....they can pay for it now fuck off now Mr Gary Cockhead
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Yay ... a pin!!

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I can't believe people still worry about any of this. We are very close to a total collapse and everyone still pretends anything CONgress and the President does matters. This will all be forgotten when the history is written after the chaos and war are over.
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You are absolutely positively right!
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The question is who the Payee is, which has nothing to do with China.
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Apparently America is PWNED by China or it is time to go to Washington and terminate most of the political careers there, eh?
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All Distractions to keep you looking away from the real objective.

Fear mongering and anger produces energy to feed them.
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China bought so much US debt that, well, those who govern act like US citizens are indebted to China
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oh yea.... because we did the bailouts, we now have to pay for the whole feakin world..... time to quit my job
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these congressmen need good ole fashioned ass wuppins. this will start happening soon imo. enough is enough.
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Not just China...India too.

They told Hillary to stuff it and she was on TV saying how its our problem. She also apologized to them for how we fucked up the planet.
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Commerce Secretary Gary Locke, YOU NEED TO PAY FOR YOUR CRIME AGAINST OUR COUNTRY.
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I AM SO FUCKING OUTRAGED!!

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Thanks for the pin, Mods.
Posted this yesterday & thought no-one was paying attention, & this is important.
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Yes of course you should have to pay, you are exploiting them. It's best this way, since we do not want to have a manufacturing based economy and be at the level of industrialization and manufacturing that a nation such as China is. As we move more and more toward a service based economy, you are just going to have to get used to getting fucking serviced by the govt. Besides don't you want the pretty Sunflowers to have clean air? YOU POLLUTING NEO-CON FUCKS!

Do you really think it's fair that China has to do all our manufacturing for us and we wouldn't have to pay for their emissions from doing that for us?
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Hey OP Let me help you and the rest of the whiners posting on this thread.

You people sit here and bitch about a non-issue. Actually it is an issue because you created it...you are responsible for it.

How much worthless shit do you own that was created in China?
Did you stand up and get loud when all of the US manufacturing potential was transfered to China and other countries?
How much worthless shit do you continue to buy that is made in another country?
When was the last time you looked at the label before buying?
When was the last time you looked at the label and made the purchase anyway?
When was the last time you wanted to purchase something and decided you really did not need it?

The same people that piss and moan about cap and trade are the same ones that consume unnecessary amounts of energy.
Doors wide open while A/C is running, electronics left on in rooms where nobody is.

Where do you think energy comes from? Out of thin air?
Nope...it comes from finite planetary resources. Depleting resources we dont have. Polluting our home that we need to preserve for future generations.

The shit you buy from China takes energy to make and pollutes the planet.

China is not the problem. Obama is not the problem (dont mistake me for a supporter because I do not play in the illusion of democracy).

YOU my friend are the problem. YOU are the consumer.

Wake up!!

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It'll be a cold day in hell before I buy a HDTV or Ipod or Iphone or GPS or any of that crap.

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