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USA Buys Russia’s Su-27 Jets From Ukraine to Find Out Why F-15 Is So Bad

 
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The F-15 has quite a decent kill record against MiG-29's if I recall correctly.

Examples please!
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2 MiG-21 Fishbeds
8 MiG-23 Floggers
2 MiG-25 Foxbats
9 MiG-29 Fulcrums OUCH!
5 SU-17/20/22 Fitters
2 SU-25 Frogfoots
6 Mirage F1s
1 IL-76 Candid
1 Mi MiL-8 Hip
1 Mi MiL-24 Hind
1 Pilatus PC-9

wow! It looks like the Fulcrum was shot down more than any other crappy russian plane. I would just love to see it go up against a su-27.
hopefully some of the su-27s will wander into Israeli airspace.


Interestingly, USAF pilots have never scored a gun kill. All victory credits go to the AIM-9M (eight kills), AIM-7M twenty-five kills), and AIM-120 (four kills). So far the only country flying the F-15 that has utilized the 20mm gun in air-to-air combat is Israel. The aggressive IAF Eagle drivers reportedly have gotten up close and personal in their gun fights. They will bring their F-15 in as close as possible to a MiG, then use the 20mm gun in a scalpel-like manner to dissect their target and let it tumble to the ground. Most reports give the IAF credit with at least 50 confirmed air-to-air kills with their fleet, making the Israel Air Force the highest scoring MiG killers in the Eagle community.
OUCH!!
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Iraq/Kosovo

A dozen or so Fulcrums downed by F-15's.

Four Serbian MIG-29s were killed that's correct, I am not sure if some of these were ground kills tho ...

The Su-27 is much better anyway ...
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They were all air to air.
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the f 15 is a fucking 30 + year old design , shoulda been replaced completely in the 90's

it was was it not by the f16 as people complained it was like an american woman over weight and slow
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No, both aircraft were designed around the same time for different purposes.
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I like the way the F/A-22 looks but it is very old , I should know I designed it
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Four Serbian MIG-29s were killed that's correct, I am not sure if some of these were ground kills tho ...
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No, around 12 were killed, half in dogfights. Your googling is getting slow. :)
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2 MiG-21 Fishbeds
8 MiG-23 Floggers
2 MiG-25 Foxbats
9 MiG-29 Fulcrums OUCH!
5 SU-17/20/22 Fitters
2 SU-25 Frogfoots
6 Mirage F1s
1 IL-76 Candid
1 Mi MiL-8 Hip
1 Mi MiL-24 Hind
1 Pilatus PC-9

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 725380

I already said I got distracted when I mentioned the MIG.

No Su-27 in your list and that's the actual topic here not the MIG ...
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ...
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F-15's, F-16's shot down a couple of Mig-29's during the Yugoslavia-Kosovo conflict.

* March 24, 1999: Yugoslav MiG-29 pilot Nebojša Nikolić departed from Batajnica Air Base. He encountered 24 NATO fighter jets. The MiG-29 evaded two enemy missiles before an American F-15 shot him down. Nikolić ejected at around 2,000 meters altitude and survived. According to US reports, two MiG-29s were shot down in the encounter, one by Captain Mike Shower and one by Lieutenant Colonel Cesar Rodriguez.[25] One MiG-29 was shot down by a Dutch F-16.

* March 26, 1999: Two Yugoslav MiG-29s took off from Batajnica to chase a lone NATO aircraft flying in direction of Bosnia. They crossed the border and were ambushed by a group of three US F-15s. Both MiGs were shot down by Captain Jeff Hwang.[25] One MiG pilot, Major Slobodan Perić evaded at least one missile before being hit. He ejected and was later smuggled back to Yugoslavia by the Republika Srpska police. The other pilot, Captain Zoran Radosavljević, did not eject and was killed.[26]

* On May 4, a Yugoslav MiG-29, piloted by Lt. Colonel Milenko Pavlović, was shot down over his native city Valjevo by two USAF F-16s. The falling aircraft was possibly hit as well by Strela 2 fired by Yugoslav troops. Pavlović was killed.[26]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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F-15's, F-16's shot down a couple of Mig-29's during the Yugoslavia-Kosovo conflict.

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[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Yeah good, but as I said no Su-27 so far ...
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ...
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Will you please show us the Flanker's service record?
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Will you please show us the Flanker's service record?
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Operational history

The Su-27 has seen limited action since it first entered service. Ethiopian Su-27s reportedly shot down five Eritrean MiG-29s;[1][verification needed] in February 1999 and another on May 16, 2000.[2][3][verification needed] The Su-27s were also used in CAP (Combat Air Patrol) missions, suppression of air defense, and providing escort for fighters on bombing and reconnaissance missions.[4][verification needed] In the War in Somalia (2006-present), the EtAF used their Su-27s to deadly effect, bombing Islamist garrisons and patrolling the airspace.

The Su27 entered Angolan service in mid-2000. It is reported that one Su-27 in the process of landing,was shot down by SA-14 MANPADs fired by UNITA forces on 19 November 2000.[1][5]

Recently, in the 2008 South Ossetia War, Russia used Su-27s to gain airspace control over Tskhinvali, the capital city of South Ossetia.[6][7]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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And I should be impressed because....?
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The article posted in the first comment is proven BULLSHIT and has been debunked

Read:
[link to www.clubhyper.com]

Sorry folks, but the F-15 would kick the SU-27's ass any day of the week.
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And I should be impressed because....?
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No one said you should anything ..

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The F-22 will change everything.
Ah wait the Russians have the vector thrust Su-35 ready since awhile ...
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The F22 was obsolete before it came out.
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The article posted in the first comment is proven BULLSHIT and has been debunked

Read:
[link to www.clubhyper.com]

Sorry folks, but the F-15 would kick the SU-27's ass any day of the week.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 729976

Yeah sure only cause an article taken from a modeling site and referring to 1992 says so.
Read the article that I added to the OP, 2004 exercises with the Indian Air Force, Su-27 against F-15, they had no chance lol.

Last Edited by FreeFlow on 07/20/2009 05:57 PM
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If you would like to read all about Israeli F-15 Eagles
in combat,and all of their incredible success with Israel, this is a great online book!

[link to books.google.com]
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Yeah sure only cause an article taken from a modeling site and referring to 1992 says so.

But OK if that makes you sleep better ...
 Quoting: FreeFlow

Apparently you didn't even read the article you posted in the first thread, LOL. The pravda article is bullshit, as are most of their news stories about UFO's and other wacky shit.

There were no mock dogfights between U.S. F-15's and Russian SU-27's, ever.

F-15's can lock on and destroy opposing jets at over 15 miles out. The F-15 doesn't even need to dog fight.

Dog fighting is something planes did 50 years ago.
The electronic weapons systems of the F-15 is way ahead of that of the SU-27.

The SU-27 would never get close enough to dog fight with an F-15, it would be shot down far out.
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^^ So why does the US even need these Su-27?

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Why, are you here to abuse this thread for your pro nazio poopaganda also?
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YOU introduced the theme in a provocative way...
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The F-22 will change everything.
Ah wait the Russians have the vector thrust Su-35 ready since awhile ...
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shit all the russians have to do is convince china not to buy our debt anymore...game fucking over without firing a shot
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^^ So why does the US even need these Su-27?
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Because it's not a piece of sh1t. Nobody said it was. But now that they do have it and they'll study it, you can just as well consider it one. Basically the US is about to pull a big military coup on the russkies.
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If the Russians could get their hands on an F-15 you bet your ass they would.
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YOU introduced the theme in a provocative way...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 730281

Give me a break, now it's my responsibility that you unconditional Israel fans got provoked by an article that is about US and Russian planes.
Go and read again, the AC was the one who brought Israel into play ...

And you are prolonging it ... congrats ...

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^^ So why does the US even need these Su-27?
 Quoting: FreeFlow

Why does the U.S. still need Mig-17's, Mig-21's, etc,....?
It's for training!

It's because large numbers of those planes can be found around the world and the U.S. military wants to train our pilots against all of the potential foes they may encounter in future conflicts.

The U.S. Airforce/Navy have most of the best trained fighter pilots on Earth.

The SU-27 can do cool loopdaloops during airshows but can it detect and shot down an F-15 from 20 miles out?
I think not.
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^^ You have a point there, tho the Russians made much progress with missiles and detecting technology, also with deflecting and bluffing missiles aimed at them..

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HAs an F-15 ever been shot down in air combat?

So far there were always no real foes so far ...

Those Israeli F-15s have never seen any combat?

Against Gazan children and women yes.

Not against equal foes like Su-27 MIG29 or Su-30 ...


Why are you there to use a thread with your anti Israeli propaganda?
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says the supreme racist islamophobe!
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The platform of the plane doesn't really matter as much as the weapons systems and the type of missiles it uses.

The SU-27 is great in terms of maneuverability and would probably beat the F-15 in close quarter dog fighting.
But jets don't close quarter dog fight these days.

It's all about developing longer-range missiles and trying to increase the distance you can kill an enemy.

The air force is developing UAV's that can fire air to air missiles against opposing planes. When that happens, all the other countries might as well dump their air forces because they will be obsolete.

What pilot would want to face a robot in combat?
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The article posted in the first comment is proven BULLSHIT and has been debunked

Read:
[link to www.clubhyper.com]

Sorry folks, but the F-15 would kick the SU-27's ass any day of the week.
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The F-22 will change everything.
Ah wait the Russians have the vector thrust Su-35 ready since awhile ...
 Quoting: FreeFlow

And Obama killed the F-22
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The F-22 will change everything.
Ah wait the Russians have the vector thrust Su-35 ready since awhile ...

And Obama killed the F-22
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even the military wanted to stop funding for the f-22 because they want more money pumped to the new f-35 that supposed to debut in 2011.

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