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The Lunacy Of Birthers

 
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A lot of words, but still no longform birth certifiacte, only a photo of a certificate of live birth that could not pass forensic muster.


forensic muster by so-called experts who refuse to give their real identities, studying a jpg scan of a document, not a physical copy of said document. pretty credible.


Exactly my point.

The actual document was NOT produced for examination by a panel that is not owned or controlled by the fascist puppets that control Obama.

Even so, the certificate of live birth is meaningless.

Produce the long form.
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the actual document was confirmed by the state of hawaii.
but i suppose they are controlled by some sort of fascist puppets too (which doesn't even make sense, btw, puppets are controlled, they don't do the controlling).
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the actual document was confirmed by the state of hawaii.
but i suppose they are controlled by some sort of fascist puppets too (which doesn't even make sense, btw, puppets are controlled, they don't do the controlling).
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good point. they must be mid-level puppets.... maybe marionettes with sock puppets taped to their hands or something.

But seriously, how can you win when any agency/person responsible for producing/confirming birth status can always be written off as a "fascist tool", "nwo puppet", etc?

So if they refuse/ignore silly requests they are clearly hiding something.

If they address the silly requests and offer evidence, that evidence is always insufficient or even suspect.

Very convenient I suppose.
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Go to CNN now!
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Dare I ask why/
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By the way, the term to describe us is not "birthers", or "truthers" or fanatics or right wing nuts, but rather, it is constitutionalists or those who seek the truth no matter where it leads, who demand honesty in government, and verification thereof, and will settle for nothing less.

If you can't stand the truth and attempt to impugn those who seek it with derogitory and denigrating terms, you need to look deeper inside yourself. But only if you truly want to be honest and are not just pretending.
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the actual document was confirmed by the state of hawaii.
but i suppose they are controlled by some sort of fascist puppets too (which doesn't even make sense, btw, puppets are controlled, they don't do the controlling).


good point. they must be mid-level puppets.... maybe marionettes with sock puppets taped to their hands or something.

But seriously, how can you win when any agency/person responsible for producing/confirming birth status can always be written off as a "fascist tool", "nwo puppet", etc?

So if they refuse/ignore silly requests they are clearly hiding something.

If they address the silly requests and offer evidence, that evidence is always insufficient or even suspect.

Very convenient I suppose.
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In case the awareness has managed to escape your gaze, government in the US has become radically more fascist since 1988, and the pace increased dramatically starting in 2001 (coincidentally, the year that Hawaii went paperless), Dubya's edicts (sorry, executive orders) rolled out of the white house nonstop at the end of his term and, as far as I can determine, Obama has picked up the pace over Dubya, if you can believe that. One of his orders (was it the first) made it impossible for anyone to release any information about him.

Are you suspicious at all?
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Statement on this from the State of Hawaii I guess these GOPers are in on it too......

[link to hawaii.gov]
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NOOOOO! Obviously they must be in on it, since they totally undermine the entire claim! I bet they were paid off!! Or they are secret communists!!! Waaaaaaa!!!!!

Birthers = stupid. Idiots that have been manipulated into being traitors to the United States of America by the right-wing propaganda machine. I say give them once more month to wise up, and then authorities should SoS. They will not be missed.
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In case the awareness has managed to escape your gaze, government in the US has become radically more fascist since 1988, and the pace increased dramatically starting in 2001 (coincidentally, the year that Hawaii went paperless), Dubya's edicts (sorry, executive orders) rolled out of the white house nonstop at the end of his term and, as far as I can determine, Obama has picked up the pace over Dubya, if you can believe that. One of his orders (was it the first) made it impossible for anyone to release any information about him.

Are you suspicious at all?
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he did no such thing.
i am so tired of explaining this to people who didn't actually bother to read the executive order, so i'm just going to quote myself from another thread.

in 1989, ronald reagan signed an executive order (12667) that states that all presidential records become the property of the federal government at the end of a president's term, and 12 years after that those records are made available to the public.

in 2001, george bush jr. signed an executive order (13233) to revoke reagan's executive order and limit access to presidential records.

in 2009, barack obama signed an executive order (13489) to completely revoke bush jr.'s executive order and re-establish ronald reagan's original version (with one slight change to include the records of vice-presidents as well).

you also seem to be confusing personal records with presidential records, they are not one in the same.
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The fact that Barack Obama is NOT a natural born citizen, as required by our Constitution, and therefore, must step down. It is also a call to our members of Congress to demand an official investigation before they convene to verify the Electoral College vote on January 8.



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Namecalling will not make him a Natural Born citizen either.


Deal with reality-No need to act juvenile and fling mud as there is confusion all over...


bump


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By the way, the term to describe us is not "birthers", or "truthers" or fanatics or right wing nuts, but rather, it is constitutionalists or those who seek the truth no matter where it leads, who demand honesty in government, and verification thereof, and will settle for nothing less.

If you can't stand the truth and attempt to impugn those who seek it with derogitory and denigrating terms, you need to look deeper inside yourself. But only if you truly want to be honest and are not just pretending.
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bump
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fortitudo et spes
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When Japan happened I responded: "The Excrement Has Impacted the Rotary Oscillator." and clearly it has.
Thread: The Excrement Is Striking the Rotary Oscillator
+++++++++++++++
"Ego et Dominus sumus amici"
+++++++++++++++
Ego et mea umbra
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'Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.’
- U.S. government mind manipulator, Dr. Jose Delgado, Congressional Record, No. 262E, Vol. 118, 1974
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Dontcha hate it when rumor gets out of control and becomes fact in people's minds.

Stir the pot
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Dontcha hate it when rumor gets out of control and becomes fact in people's minds.

Stir the pot
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There are no significant proven facts in thsi case. Obama could rectify that.

Obama was not an orphan or adopted. Is there anyone here who is/was not orphaned or adopted who could not produce a witness of some kind to verify when and where he or she was born?

I'm sure there may be a few individual cases, but most people in Obama's age bracket would be able to do so. The problem is, his paternal grandmopther and his brother ay he was born in Kenya, and if so, there have to be other witnesses. Two sisters have conflicting stories about which hospital he was born in in Hawaii. The lady who lived next door to the reported family address at the time of his birth and still does reports that they never lived there and actually knew of them and where they did live.

Does any of this not set off alarm bells?
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Hello everyone. I have read all of your communes that are posted here in this forum. I know I’m wasting my time here; but why not. We (African American’s) knew this was going to happen in one form are another. For no one has asked any white men to show there birth certificate. Let a lone the long form. (By the way; my bath certificate looks just like President B. H. Obama’s). And I doubt my mother even knows what my “long form” looks like. But I love racism. It wouldn’t be the United States(joke)of America if you all don’t show your true colors. And I thank you for that. It seem anytime the Constitution is fulfilled as written at present. “Mid America (another joke) gets upset; i.e. what! black men can vote, what! women can vote, what! we have to treat other people equally, what! we have to go by the constitution about the United States of America no being ruled a religious cult (Jew’s, Christian, Islam, etc). OMG use white folks are losing our god giving right to be satanic. F#%k what Juses and Allah says; I’m white.
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Hello everyone. I have read all of your commits that are posted here in this forum. I know I’m wasting my time here; but why not. We (African American’s) knew this was going to happen in one form are another. For no one has asked any white men to show there birth certificate. Let a lone the long form. (By the way; my birth certificate looks just like President B. H. Obama’s). And I doubt my mother even knows what my “long form” looks like. But I love racism. It wouldn’t be the United States (joke) of America if you all don’t show your true colors. And I thank you for that. It seem anytime the Constitution is fulfilled as written at present. “Mid America (another joke) gets upset; i.e. what! black men can vote, what! women can vote, what! we have to treat other people equally, what! we have to go by the constitution about the United States of America not being ruled by religious cults (Jew’s, Christian, Islam, etc). OMG us white folks are losing our God giving right to be satanic. F#%k what Jesus and Allah says; I’m white.
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The Lunacy of Birthers
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As you may have already heard, there is a movement in this country that is attempting to claim President Barack Obama is not eligible to hold office because of questions about his citizenship.

It has been clearly proven over and over again that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4th, 1961 to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama Sr. A Certification of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii and newspaper articles in the local Honolulu newspapers as well as a public statement made by the current Governor of Hawaii, confirmed the birth of Obama in the United States.

But a lunatic fringe of hucksters, charlatans and crackpots would like you to believe otherwise.


Sheer Lunacy

Based on a jumbled mess of conspiracy theories and urban legends, the "Birther" movement consists of a group of mentally ill psychotics who believe Barack Obama is not eligible to be President under Article II Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution because he was either;

1. Born in Kenya

2. Born with dual citizenship due to his father being a British subject in Kenya

3. Not given U.S. citizenship due to his mother being too young to pass on citizenship

4. Renounced his citizenship when he moved to Indonesia

5. Was given financial aid as a foreign student

As you can clearly see, the claims of the Birther movement are a dissembled amalgamation of distorted facts, outright lies and disinformation because;

1. Obama was proven to be born in Hawaii by his birth certificate, newspaper announcements and the Governor of Hawaii, who happens to be a Republican.

2. Obama was born an American citizen on American soil

3. See above response.

4. No one can legally renounce their U.S. citizenship without going through a lot of documented paperwork at the State Department; paperwork which would have surfaced by now if Obama had done such a thing. Someone who is underage, like Obama was when he moved to Indonesia, cannot legally renounce their citizenship without their parents involvement. This has never been verified or proven in the case of Obama.

5. No American citizen can receive financial aid as a foreign student

So why do these outright lies persist? Because of the collective mentality of the Birthers.


Racist Revisionism

The Birther moment is a form of revisionism; a revision of historic event that was made on November 4th, 2008. Birthers cannot accept the reality that was given to them by the American voting public. They must rewrite the course of events within their own minds in order to justify their delusional fantasies; fantasies that are similar to the illiterate scribblings of Anti-Semites who deny the reality of the Holocaust and its millions of victims.


Appalling Participants

What's even more appalling is the fact that two prominent people of Jewish descent are involved in this racially revisionist nonsense; Phil Berg, a lawyer from Philadelphia, and Orly Taitz, a lawyer from California, both of whom have filed lawsuits claiming Obama is not an American citizen.

Coming from a community which has been persecuted and chased out of every country and public office for thousands of years, Berg and Taitz should be ashamed of themselves as human beings. Their participation in this circus of bigotry is an embarrassment to the Jewish community in America who overwhelmingly voted for Obama. The activities of Berg and Taitz should be publicly condemned by the Anti-Defamation League, the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Simon Wiesenthal Center.


Denial Of History

By denying Obama, the Birthers are denying an entire race of people their historic opportunity to make a difference in the world. By using the fallacy of "preserving the Constitution", the Birthers have constructed multiple, false, straw-man arguments in order to garner support for their ridiculous theories and "Jim Crow" attitudes against minorities occupying the highest public office in the land.


Racism And Xenophobia

The real foundation of the Birther movement is built upon a subconscious attitude of racism and xenophobia against the first African-American president as well as African-Americans and other minorities in general. For over two hundred years, Americans have been indoctrinated into accepting a caucasian male occupying the oval office and rejecting anyone who does not fit that profile. In their minds the Presidency is still a "Whites Only" occupation.


Suppressed Hatred

The historic election of President Obama has fueled fear and awakened suppressed hatred against a person who would dare upset and change the established pattern of occupancy in the White House. With all of these deranged, delusional fruitcakes opposing him, he's obviously doing something right.


Birthers Are Denying Racists

In conclusion, the Birther movement is the equivalent of Holocaust denial and racism. The subject of questioning President Obama's birth must be condemned whenever it arises in a discussion and its supporters must be forever marginalized from the forum of mainstream ideas for their moral and ethical ineptitude.
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Well I need to say that I voted for Barack Obama, but I didn't know about the New World Order before September 2008, but I have learned so much since then. Now, they only released Obama's short-form birth-certificate, but the Constitution requires his long-form birth-certificate, which has never yet been released, and also, why is his family in Kenya saying that he was born there in Kenya ?

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Well I need to say that I voted for Barack Obama, but I didn't know about the New World Order before September 2008, but I have learned so much since then. Now, they only released Obama's short-form birth-certificate, but the Constitution requires his long-form birth-certificate, which has never yet been released, and also, why is his family in Kenya saying that he was born there in Kenya ?

Aaron
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The words "birth certificate" are not in the Constitution.

Birthers = EPIC FAIL
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Well I need to say that I voted for Barack Obama, but I didn't know about the New World Order before September 2008, but I have learned so much since then. Now, they only released Obama's short-form birth-certificate, but the Constitution requires his long-form birth-certificate, which has never yet been released, and also, why is his family in Kenya saying that he was born there in Kenya ?

Aaron
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Why don't you get a copy of that conversation transcript and let us know if you want to stick to this story.

Oh yea where does the constitution require this? I am sure you can put your finger right on it.......right.

It is only the value of your word here and I would think else where in life that is on the line nothing big huh...or are they just words you copied and pasted and dont mean anything.
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we don't need a birth certificate

we KNOW (by his name) that his father was a Kenyan

we know his mother was a minor born in America


therefore, we KNOW that he was born with dual citizenship
and is not allowed to BE the president of the USA

tough shit ain't it?
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They called William Wilberforce mad when he tried for 17 years to abolish slavery.

He brought the issue to them again and again.
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denial is not the answer

a person is either a "natural born" citizen or NOT

Barack Obama is NOT a "natural born" citizen - that settles it!

it has nothing to do with race, party or religion, why to you obamabots try to make it something it is not ... you are so busy trying to kill the messengers you have missed the message!


The LAW is the LAW (ask any lawyer)and it applies to everyone.

It doesn't matter where he was born folks...the fact is that he was born with dual citizenship which he never revoked and bragged about as a Senator visiting Kenya


REAL AMERICANS CARE especially those who defend it...and who look to their Commander and Chief for their orders.

REAL AMERICANS want their President to obey the laws of our land and to have OUR best interests in mind.

REAL AMERICANS respect the Constitution upon which this nation was established.





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