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McCain Campaign Investigated, Dismissed Obama Citizenship Rumors

 
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In the final months of the 2008 presidential race, Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) campaign learned of a lawsuit filed in Pennsylvania that asked the state to strip Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) of the Democratic nomination on suspicion that he was not an American citizen. The complaint for declaratory and injunctive relief was filed by Phil Berg, a former deputy state attorney general who left government in 1990 for a series of gadfly political campaigns. His last round of notoriety had come when he filed RICO complaints against George W. Bush, Saddam Hussein and multiple members of the Bush administration for “accountability” for the 9/11 attacks. Still, Berg’s complaint had gotten glancing local media attention, and the Democratic National Committee’s counsel had filed a motion to dismiss it. One lawyer who was doing some work for the campaign was tasked with reading Berg’s lawsuit and gauging its chances of success.

“The conversation was along the lines of ‘this is idiotic, but explain to me why,’” said the lawyer, who spoke under condition of anonymity to TWI. “I looked at whether the lawsuit was going to be dismissed. I said yes.”

Berg’s main problem was the one that has bedeviled the the small, but growing, number of lawyers and amateur attorneys who have filed frivolous lawsuits against President Obama on the “question” of his American citizenship. He and they have run up against the doctrine of standing, which requires plaintiffs to prove that they have been or will be harmed by the law that they’re challenging. Like the people who challenged McCain’s citizenship in 2008 and 2000, or the people who challenged Dick Cheney’s right to run for vice president because he, like George W. Bush, resided in Texas, “birther” plaintiffs have failed again and again to get their cases heard because they lack standing.

“We monitored the progress of these lawsuits against the Obama campaign,” said Trevor Potter, a Washington attorney who served as general counsel to the 2008 and 2000 McCain presidential campaigns. “The McCain campaign faced a series of lawsuits like this, too, alleging that he could not be president because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Both campaigns took the position that these plaintiffs lacked standing.”

But the flawed conception of the many “birther” lawsuits, coupled with the inexperience and foul-ups of “birther” lawyers, have only fed the frenzy over Obama’s legitimacy to serve as president of the United States. A survey of the lawsuits filed against Obama reveals a reliance on widely debunked rumors, bogus stories sourced back to web sites, affidavits from “experts” who refuse to provide credentials or even their real names, and frequent and blatant misunderstandings of basic constitutional law. The dismissal of “birther” lawsuits has allowed conspiracy theorists to believe that the information in those suits is accurate–a belief that manifests itself in the emails, phone calls, and town hall meeting rants that have pushed the theories into the mainstream media and the halls of Congress.

While they ruled out any chance of the ‘birther’ lawsuits holding up in court, lawyers for the McCain campaign did check into the rumors about Obama’s birth and the assertions made by Berg and others. “To the extent that we could, we looked into the substantive side of these allegations,” said Potter. “We never saw any evidence that then-Senator Obama had been born outside of the United States. We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence. There were no statements and no documents that suggested he was born somewhere else. On the other side, there was proof that he was born in Hawaii. There was a certificate issued by the state’s Department of Health, and the responsible official in the state saying that he had personally seen the original certificate. There was a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be very difficult to invent or plant 47 years in advance.”

“Birther” lawyers and bloggers, who gained an unexpected prominence in the mainstream media, have consistently denied Hawaii’s own records of Obama’s birth. They have also built up a corpus of information which, they argue, would invalidate Obama’s claim on the White House even if he was born in the United States. These rumors, and the inability of “birther” lawyers to test them in court, have proven pervasive enough to fuel the conspiracy theories.

After the DNC requested a dismissal of Berg’s lawsuit, he responded in a Sept. 29, 2008 filing that cited numerous Internet rumors and incorrect citations of American and international law. Berg cited “Wikipedia Italian version” and “Rainbow Edition News Letter” as evidence that Obama had not been clear about which hospital he was born in; he alleged that Obama must have been adopted by Lolo Soetoro, the Indonesian man who married Obama’s mother when the future president was five years old, because he attended elementary school in that country. Because a contemporary school record referred to Obama as “Barry Soetoro” and listed his nationality as “Indonesian,” Berg argued that there was “absolutely no way Obama could have ever regained ‘natural born’ status.”

“That’s just completely wrong,” said Mitzi Torri, an Arizona-based immigration lawyer. Torri pointed to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, which sets a high bar for renunciation of American citizenship. According to the INA, an American can only forfeit his citizenship if he commits treason, if he makes a “formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state,” or if he becomes a citizen of another country “upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent.”

“Berg wants to say,” said Torri, “that this document from a school Indonesia, which has no signature, which has no standing whatsoever, is more important than Obama’s birth certificate or our immigration law.”


Berg’s filings made other claims that have shown up in anti-Obama lawsuits and in the proliferation of “birther” Website. One relies on an audio tape of Obama’s step-grandmother Sarah Obama, who lives in Kenya, being goaded into saying (through a translator) that the future president was born in Kenya before quickly correcting herself. (A doctored version of this tape, which cuts off before the retraction, is posted on YouTube.) Another claim: Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, when it was illegal for an American to do so, suggesting that he used a non-American passport. The problem is that there never was any such ban.

“We have no record of any travel ban between America and Pakistan during that period or since,” said Noel Clay, a spokesman for the State Department.

“We got that from someplace,” Berg told TWI on Thursday. In an email, he added his paralegal was “reviewing” his files on Pakistan. Yet the false claim appears in Orly Taitz’s lawsuit on behalf of perennial presidential candidate Alan Keyes, which argues that Obama visited Pakistan “when entrance to Pakistan was banned to Americans, Christians and Jews,” proof that he gave up his American citizenship.

In October 2008, when Berg v. Obama et al was dismissed for lack of standing, the attorney told sympathetic reporters that the DNC had “admitted” the truth about Obama’s citizenship by not rebutting his claims. Joseph Sandler, who filed motions to dismiss Berg’s case and other Obama citizenship lawsuits as general counsel, explained why claims like these are never debunked by lawyers for the president.

“When you file a motion to dismiss, to try to get the case thrown out before any factual inquiry is made, the facts that the plaintiffs put into their complaint are assumed to be true,” said Sandler. “You have to show that even if the facts were true, they don’t have a case.”

As a result of that, extremely questionable theories and “facts” have become linchpins of ‘birther’ theories. ‘Birthers’ who refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth often cite the expertise of “Dr. Ron Polarik,” a self-described “expert in computer graphics” who maintains a blog at Townhall.com and has recorded a video, in which his face and voice are blurred, explaining how the image was “forged” with Adobe Photoshop. “Polarik” submitted an affidavit in support Orly Taitz’s Keyes case that is signed “XXXXXXXXXXX,” making it inadmissible.

“If it ever comes down to it,” explained Gary Kreep, another lawyer for Keyes, “we’ll use his real name.”

Some anti-Obama claims take the issue entirely out of the hands of the president or Hawaii officials. Carl Swensson, a conservative activist from Georgia, has organized “Citizens’ Grand Juries” that have indicted the president for treason. Mario Apuzzo, a New Jersey attorney, has sued Obama on the grounds that he never was, and never could be, a “natural born” citizen. Both men pass over precedent for “The Law of Nations,” the 1758 treatise by the 18th century French scholar Emerich de Vattel. In one translation, de Vattel writes that “the natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” That’s enough for some Obama ‘birthers’ to say that Obama might be a citizen of Kenya–as one constituent of Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.) put it–but he cannot be a natural born citizen of the United States. “It’s what the founding fathers used,” explained Swensson.

Constitutional scholars consider this a dubious argument at best. “The framers of the 14th Amendment thought about this,” explained Elizabeth Wydra, chief counsel for the Constitutional Accountability Center. “They wanted to make sure that the children of slaves who were brought here illegally, slaves who were brought into this country after the end of the slave trade, would be citizens.”

Apuzzo is not convinced. He argued that the founders wrote the phrase “natural born citizen” for a reason; to make sure that no one with “blood ties” to another country could become president. He speculated what might happen if Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-La.), whose parents were Indian, became president. “India is a nuclear power. Here comes the president, who says we have to go in and attack Pakistan. Are we doing that because we are defending India’s interests? You just don’t know. You can’t have Constitutional rule if you allow this.”

Because of the dismissal tactics used by lawyers for the president, John McCain, and both political parties, believers in these various theories and readings of the Constitution argue that they have never been proven wrong. Although Rep. John Campbell (R-Calif.) explained his support of a House bill that would require copies of birth certificates from presidential candidates by saying it would “put all this to rest,” the very frivolity and obscurity of the challenges to Obama suggest the beginning of a conspiracy theory that will never be debunked to the satisfaction of its believers.
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Since the probability of a black man fom the US being his biological father is over 99 percent, I'm suspending all of my past judgements except that we have been lied to and deceived.

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It doesn't matter if there was a ban on travel to that country or not. If Obama used an Indonesian passport, he was traveling as an Indonesian citizen.

Similarly, if he applied for school and scholarships as a foreign national, as he apparently did at Occidental college, he was acting as a foreign national.

If, after his Indonesian step-parent got him Indonesian citizenship, Obama acted as an Indonesian citizen as an adult and never renounced his Indonesian citizenship and repatriated himself as a U.S. citizen, he is no longer a U.S. citizen.
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he's baaaack!

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NOW the left trust McCain...
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It doesn't matter if there was a ban on travel to that country or not. If Obama used an Indonesian passport, he was traveling as an Indonesian citizen.

Similarly, if he applied for school and scholarships as a foreign national, as he apparently did at Occidental college, he was acting as a foreign national.

If, after his Indonesian step-parent got him Indonesian citizenship, Obama acted as an Indonesian citizen as an adult and never renounced his Indonesian citizenship and repatriated himself as a U.S. citizen, he is no longer a U.S. citizen.
 Quoting: Andromeda


he had dual citizenship, his indonesian citizenship has expired.

his college records have not been released, and that claim of the scholarship was a hoax. fulbright does not offer that particular scholarship to undergraduates in the first place.

he never renounced his US citizenship upon moving to indonesia. indonesia allows people under the age of 18 to hold dual citizenship. after age 18 you must pass a residency requirement and renounce your other citizenship, obama did neither, so it automatically expired.
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Really? McCains citizenship was in question as well, they both STFU cause there the same interests.
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I don't think there's any realistic hope of conservatives unseating Obama over this. He won a decisive victory in the election and earned his seat in the White House. At worst, he's going to be exposed as a liar on his college scholarship applications and a man with divided loyalties.

But the enforceability of this clause of the constitution should be cleared up. If no one has the responsibility or right to enforce this clause of the constitution, it's meaningless.
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It doesn't matter if there was a ban on travel to that country or not. If Obama used an Indonesian passport, he was traveling as an Indonesian citizen.

Similarly, if he applied for school and scholarships as a foreign national, as he apparently did at Occidental college, he was acting as a foreign national.

If, after his Indonesian step-parent got him Indonesian citizenship, Obama acted as an Indonesian citizen as an adult and never renounced his Indonesian citizenship and repatriated himself as a U.S. citizen, he is no longer a U.S. citizen.
 Quoting: Andromeda


If he took aid as a foreign student and had more than 1 social security number, it would be very difficult to justify those actions, even if Malcolm X was his real father and he does qualify as a natural born citizen.

Then there is the statement by Taitz that one of his sisters was born in Indonesia and has a COLB "birth certificate" from Hawaii.
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Dollars to donuts Hillary had the info first.


Ima jus sayin' :D
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What sort of fucked up logic and complete lack of intelligence do you idiots possess anyway?

Keep it up, birthers--you're insistence on mainstream exposure is quickly making you the laughingstock of the entire country.

Idiots.
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This is the most honest informative article I have seen on Obama. It is lengthy but gives a perspective of which most Americans are totally unconscious.

[link to atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com]
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If he took aid as a foreign student and had more than 1 social security number, it would be very difficult to justify those actions, even if Malcolm X was his real father and he does qualify as a natural born citizen.

Then there is the statement by Taitz that one of his sisters was born in Indonesia and has a COLB "birth certificate" from Hawaii.
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there is zero proof of any of these things so far.
foreign aid was a hoax, the social security numbers thing has precious few details to back anything up, and as far as i can tell, the COLB for maya came out of the claim that obama forged his COLB using hers. if i'm wrong about that last one i'd love to see a copy of her COLB.
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Really? McCains citizenship was in question as well, they both STFU cause there the same interests.
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Nope.

McCain showed his BC promptly and politely.
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This is the most honest informative article I have seen on Obama. It is lengthy but gives a perspective of which most Americans are totally unconscious.

[link to atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com]
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Obama's father was NEVER a US citizen.

This makes Obama a dual-citizen at birth.

Dual citizens at birth CANNOT be Natural born.

Only Natural Born citizens qualify for President.

Obama is not a Natural Born US citizen, and thus ineligible to be POTUS.

Everything else is smokescreen. This is the only relevant fact involving MISTER Barack Obama's eligibility.
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Obama's father was NEVER a US citizen.

This makes Obama a dual-citizen at birth.

Dual citizens at birth CANNOT be Natural born.

Only Natural Born citizens qualify for President.

Obama is not a Natural Born US citizen, and thus ineligible to be POTUS.

Everything else is smokescreen. This is the only relevant fact involving MISTER Barack Obama's eligibility.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 564424


there is nothing in the natural-born citizen clause, or anywhere else in the constitution, that prevents a dual citizen at birth from being president.
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While they ruled out any chance of the ‘birther’ lawsuits holding up in court, lawyers for the McCain campaign did check into the rumors about Obama’s birth and the assertions made by Berg and others. “To the extent that we could, we looked into the substantive side of these allegations,” said Potter. “We never saw any evidence that then-Senator Obama had been born outside of the United States. We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence. There were no statements and no documents that suggested he was born somewhere else.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845

You never heard Grandma Sarah say she attended Obama's birth? Oops! That was not very thorough of you, was it?
On the other side, there was proof that he was born in Hawaii. There was a certificate issued by the state’s Department of Health, and the responsible official in the state saying that he had personally seen the original certificate. There was a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be very difficult to invent or plant 47 years in advance.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845

The COLB is not proof, dumbass. You expect us to take your denials seriously when you make stupid legal faux pas like that! Merely saying that you have seen an original document is not the same as confirming that it shows that Obama was born in Hawaii. What sloppy thinking!
After the DNC requested a dismissal of Berg’s lawsuit, he responded in a Sept. 29, 2008 filing that cited numerous Internet rumors and incorrect citations of American and international law. Berg cited “Wikipedia Italian version” and “Rainbow Edition News Letter” as evidence that Obama had not been clear about which hospital he was born in; he alleged that Obama must have been adopted by Lolo Soetoro, the Indonesian man who married Obama’s mother when the future president was five years old, because he attended elementary school in that country. Because a contemporary school record referred to Obama as “Barry Soetoro” and listed his nationality as “Indonesian,” Berg argued that there was “absolutely no way Obama could have ever regained ‘natural born’ status.”

“That’s just completely wrong,” said Mitzi Torri, an Arizona-based immigration lawyer. Torri pointed to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, which sets a high bar for renunciation of American citizenship. According to the INA, an American can only forfeit his citizenship if he commits treason, if he makes a “formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state,” or if he becomes a citizen of another country “upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845

Indeed, His stepfather. So whats's the problem?
“Berg wants to say,” said Torri, “that this document from a school Indonesia, which has no signature, which has no standing whatsoever, is more important than Obama’s birth certificate or our immigration law.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845

Nope. Just more convincing to anyone who is not prejudiced. That's because you are confusing again the birth certificate with a COLB, whose legal standing does not guarantee that it contains accurate information.
Berg’s filings made other claims that have shown up in anti-Obama lawsuits and in the proliferation of “birther” Website. One relies on an audio tape of Obama’s step-grandmother Sarah Obama, who lives in Kenya, being goaded into saying (through a translator) that the future president was born in Kenya before quickly correcting herself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845

Baloney. She was NOT goaded into that statement. She never corrected herself. That's an outright lie. I have heard the complete tape.
(A doctored version of this tape, which cuts off before the retraction, is posted on YouTube.) Another claim: Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, when it was illegal for an American to do so, suggesting that he used a non-American passport. The problem is that there never was any such ban.
“We have no record of any travel ban between America and Pakistan during that period or since,” said Noel Clay, a spokesman for the State Department.
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Oh, so Obama was lying then, was he, Mr Clay, when he wrote that in his autobiography? LOL!
“We got that from someplace,” Berg told TWI on Thursday. In an email, he added his paralegal was “reviewing” his files on Pakistan. Yet the false claim appears in Orly Taitz’s lawsuit on behalf of perennial presidential candidate Alan Keyes, which argues that Obama visited Pakistan “when entrance to Pakistan was banned to Americans, Christians and Jews,” proof that he gave up his American citizenship.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845

What false claim? The State Department would be expected to deny that Obama ever visited Pakistan in order to help squash these rumors. Why do you put so much trust in its lies?
As a result of that, extremely questionable theories and “facts” have become linchpins of ‘birther’ theories. ‘Birthers’ who refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth often cite the expertise of “Dr. Ron Polarik,” a self-described “expert in computer graphics” who maintains a blog at Townhall.com and has recorded a video, in which his face and voice are blurred, explaining how the image was “forged” with Adobe Photoshop. “Polarik” submitted an affidavit in support Orly Taitz’s Keyes case that is signed “XXXXXXXXXXX,” making it inadmissible.

“If it ever comes down to it,” explained Gary Kreep, another lawyer for Keyes, “we’ll use his real name.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845

Yes. Bring it on.
Because of the dismissal tactics used by lawyers for the president, John McCain, and both political parties, believers in these various theories and readings of the Constitution argue that they have never been proven wrong. Although Rep. John Campbell (R-Calif.) explained his support of a House bill that would require copies of birth certificates from presidential candidates by saying it would “put all this to rest,” the very frivolity and obscurity of the challenges to Obama suggest the beginning of a conspiracy theory that will never be debunked to the satisfaction of its believers.
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"Frivolity" is simply a vacuous, pejorative word used to cover up for the fact that the charges against Obama cannot be disproved. It won't wash.
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It doesn't matter if there was a ban on travel to that country or not. If Obama used an Indonesian passport, he was traveling as an Indonesian citizen.

Similarly, if he applied for school and scholarships as a foreign national, as he apparently did at Occidental college, he was acting as a foreign national.

If, after his Indonesian step-parent got him Indonesian citizenship, Obama acted as an Indonesian citizen as an adult and never renounced his Indonesian citizenship and repatriated himself as a U.S. citizen, he is no longer a U.S. citizen.


he had dual citizenship, his indonesian citizenship has expired.

his college records have not been released, and that claim of the scholarship was a hoax. fulbright does not offer that particular scholarship to undergraduates in the first place.

he never renounced his US citizenship upon moving to indonesia. indonesia allows people under the age of 18 to hold dual citizenship. after age 18 you must pass a residency requirement and renounce your other citizenship, obama did neither, so it automatically expired.
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How do you know? That's pure speculation. You are quoting what the law is now, That was not the law when Obama moved to Indonesia,
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Obama's father was NEVER a US citizen.

This makes Obama a dual-citizen at birth.

Dual citizens at birth CANNOT be Natural born.

Only Natural Born citizens qualify for President.

Obama is not a Natural Born US citizen, and thus ineligible to be POTUS.

Everything else is smokescreen. This is the only relevant fact involving MISTER Barack Obama's eligibility.


there is nothing in the natural-born citizen clause, or anywhere else in the constitution, that prevents a dual citizen at birth from being president.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845

That's not the point. The issue is whether Obama is a natural born American, not whether he still has dual citizenship.
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The COLB is not proof, dumbass. You expect us to take your denials seriously when you make stupid legal faux pas like that! Merely saying that you have seen an original document is not the same as confirming that it shows that Obama was born in Hawaii. What sloppy thinking!
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the original document would not be on file in hawaii if he wasn't born there. it wasn't possible to register foreign-born children in hawaii until 1982.


Oh, so Obama was lying then, was he, Mr Clay, when he wrote that in his autobiography? LOL!

What false claim? The State Department would be expected to deny that Obama ever visited Pakistan in order to help squash these rumors. Why do you put so much trust in its lies?
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obama didn't write that he visited pakistan at a time when travel for american citizens was banned. he did write that he visited pakistan.

the state department is not denying that obama visited pakistan, they are pointing out that there was never such a ban, only a travel advisory.

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This is the most honest informative article I have seen on Obama. It is lengthy but gives a perspective of which most Americans are totally unconscious.

[link to atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com]

Obama's father was NEVER a US citizen.

This makes Obama a dual-citizen at birth.

Dual citizens at birth CANNOT be Natural born.

Only Natural Born citizens qualify for President.

Obama is not a Natural Born US citizen, and thus ineligible to be POTUS.

Everything else is smokescreen. This is the only relevant fact involving MISTER Barack Obama's eligibility.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 564424


So now the birthers are changing direction. Fact: several US presidents have had parents who were citizens of another country, some have even had both parents be citizens of other countries.
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“Berg wants to say,” said Torri, “that this document from a school Indonesia, which has no signature, which has no standing whatsoever, is more important than Obama’s birth certificate or our immigration law.”

Nope. Just more convincing to anyone who is not prejudiced. That's because you are confusing again the birth certificate with a COLB, whose legal standing does not guarantee that it contains accurate information.

Berg’s filings made other claims that have shown up in anti-Obama lawsuits and in the proliferation of “birther” Website. One relies on an audio tape of Obama’s step-grandmother Sarah Obama, who lives in Kenya, being goaded into saying (through a translator) that the future president was born in Kenya before quickly correcting herself.

Baloney. She was NOT goaded into that statement. She never corrected herself. That's an outright lie. I have heard the complete tape.


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A), No, it's YOU who are confusing the supposed school registration in Indonesia with his Birth Certificate!

B) No, you obviously DID NOT hear the whole tape, you heard ONLY what Berg wanted you to hear.

The material in the original post is WHOLLY accurate, info from GOOD attorneys, NOT ones who got their Law License from a cereal box.


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he's baaaack!

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What sort of fucked up logic and complete lack of intelligence do you idiots possess anyway?

Keep it up, birthers--you're insistence on mainstream exposure is quickly making you the laughingstock of the entire country.

Idiots.
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Actually, I think Obama's drastic drop in approval polls shows, that those who voted for him were the idiots!
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What sort of fucked up logic and complete lack of intelligence do you idiots possess anyway?

Keep it up, birthers--you're insistence on mainstream exposure is quickly making you the laughingstock of the entire country.

Idiots.

Actually, I think Obama's drastic drop in approval polls shows, that those who voted for him were the idiots!
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Point proven.

Keep on living in fantasy land, moran. Your ignorance shines through.

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