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Anonymous Coward User ID: 357422 United States 07/24/2009 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since the probability of a black man fom the US being his biological father is over 99 percent, I'm suspending all of my past judgements except that we have been lied to and deceived. [link to api.ning.com] |
Andromeda User ID: 708515 United States 07/24/2009 12:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It doesn't matter if there was a ban on travel to that country or not. If Obama used an Indonesian passport, he was traveling as an Indonesian citizen. Similarly, if he applied for school and scholarships as a foreign national, as he apparently did at Occidental college, he was acting as a foreign national. If, after his Indonesian step-parent got him Indonesian citizenship, Obama acted as an Indonesian citizen as an adult and never renounced his Indonesian citizenship and repatriated himself as a U.S. citizen, he is no longer a U.S. citizen. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 454845 United States 07/24/2009 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It doesn't matter if there was a ban on travel to that country or not. If Obama used an Indonesian passport, he was traveling as an Indonesian citizen. Quoting: AndromedaSimilarly, if he applied for school and scholarships as a foreign national, as he apparently did at Occidental college, he was acting as a foreign national. If, after his Indonesian step-parent got him Indonesian citizenship, Obama acted as an Indonesian citizen as an adult and never renounced his Indonesian citizenship and repatriated himself as a U.S. citizen, he is no longer a U.S. citizen. he had dual citizenship, his indonesian citizenship has expired. his college records have not been released, and that claim of the scholarship was a hoax. fulbright does not offer that particular scholarship to undergraduates in the first place. he never renounced his US citizenship upon moving to indonesia. indonesia allows people under the age of 18 to hold dual citizenship. after age 18 you must pass a residency requirement and renounce your other citizenship, obama did neither, so it automatically expired. |
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Andromeda User ID: 708515 United States 07/24/2009 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think there's any realistic hope of conservatives unseating Obama over this. He won a decisive victory in the election and earned his seat in the White House. At worst, he's going to be exposed as a liar on his college scholarship applications and a man with divided loyalties. But the enforceability of this clause of the constitution should be cleared up. If no one has the responsibility or right to enforce this clause of the constitution, it's meaningless. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 357422 United States 07/24/2009 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It doesn't matter if there was a ban on travel to that country or not. If Obama used an Indonesian passport, he was traveling as an Indonesian citizen. Quoting: AndromedaSimilarly, if he applied for school and scholarships as a foreign national, as he apparently did at Occidental college, he was acting as a foreign national. If, after his Indonesian step-parent got him Indonesian citizenship, Obama acted as an Indonesian citizen as an adult and never renounced his Indonesian citizenship and repatriated himself as a U.S. citizen, he is no longer a U.S. citizen. If he took aid as a foreign student and had more than 1 social security number, it would be very difficult to justify those actions, even if Malcolm X was his real father and he does qualify as a natural born citizen. Then there is the statement by Taitz that one of his sisters was born in Indonesia and has a COLB "birth certificate" from Hawaii. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 357422 United States 07/24/2009 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is the most honest informative article I have seen on Obama. It is lengthy but gives a perspective of which most Americans are totally unconscious. [link to atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 454845 United States 07/24/2009 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If he took aid as a foreign student and had more than 1 social security number, it would be very difficult to justify those actions, even if Malcolm X was his real father and he does qualify as a natural born citizen. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 357422Then there is the statement by Taitz that one of his sisters was born in Indonesia and has a COLB "birth certificate" from Hawaii. there is zero proof of any of these things so far. foreign aid was a hoax, the social security numbers thing has precious few details to back anything up, and as far as i can tell, the COLB for maya came out of the claim that obama forged his COLB using hers. if i'm wrong about that last one i'd love to see a copy of her COLB. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 564424 United States 07/24/2009 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is the most honest informative article I have seen on Obama. It is lengthy but gives a perspective of which most Americans are totally unconscious. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 357422[link to atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com] Obama's father was NEVER a US citizen. This makes Obama a dual-citizen at birth. Dual citizens at birth CANNOT be Natural born. Only Natural Born citizens qualify for President. Obama is not a Natural Born US citizen, and thus ineligible to be POTUS. Everything else is smokescreen. This is the only relevant fact involving MISTER Barack Obama's eligibility. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 454845 United States 07/24/2009 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obama's father was NEVER a US citizen. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 564424This makes Obama a dual-citizen at birth. Dual citizens at birth CANNOT be Natural born. Only Natural Born citizens qualify for President. Obama is not a Natural Born US citizen, and thus ineligible to be POTUS. Everything else is smokescreen. This is the only relevant fact involving MISTER Barack Obama's eligibility. there is nothing in the natural-born citizen clause, or anywhere else in the constitution, that prevents a dual citizen at birth from being president. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 718901 United Kingdom 07/24/2009 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | While they ruled out any chance of the ‘birther’ lawsuits holding up in court, lawyers for the McCain campaign did check into the rumors about Obama’s birth and the assertions made by Berg and others. “To the extent that we could, we looked into the substantive side of these allegations,” said Potter. “We never saw any evidence that then-Senator Obama had been born outside of the United States. We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence. There were no statements and no documents that suggested he was born somewhere else. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845You never heard Grandma Sarah say she attended Obama's birth? Oops! That was not very thorough of you, was it? On the other side, there was proof that he was born in Hawaii. There was a certificate issued by the state’s Department of Health, and the responsible official in the state saying that he had personally seen the original certificate. There was a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be very difficult to invent or plant 47 years in advance.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845The COLB is not proof, dumbass. You expect us to take your denials seriously when you make stupid legal faux pas like that! Merely saying that you have seen an original document is not the same as confirming that it shows that Obama was born in Hawaii. What sloppy thinking! After the DNC requested a dismissal of Berg’s lawsuit, he responded in a Sept. 29, 2008 filing that cited numerous Internet rumors and incorrect citations of American and international law. Berg cited “Wikipedia Italian version” and “Rainbow Edition News Letter” as evidence that Obama had not been clear about which hospital he was born in; he alleged that Obama must have been adopted by Lolo Soetoro, the Indonesian man who married Obama’s mother when the future president was five years old, because he attended elementary school in that country. Because a contemporary school record referred to Obama as “Barry Soetoro” and listed his nationality as “Indonesian,” Berg argued that there was “absolutely no way Obama could have ever regained ‘natural born’ status.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845“That’s just completely wrong,” said Mitzi Torri, an Arizona-based immigration lawyer. Torri pointed to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, which sets a high bar for renunciation of American citizenship. According to the INA, an American can only forfeit his citizenship if he commits treason, if he makes a “formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state,” or if he becomes a citizen of another country “upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent.” Indeed, His stepfather. So whats's the problem? “Berg wants to say,” said Torri, “that this document from a school Indonesia, which has no signature, which has no standing whatsoever, is more important than Obama’s birth certificate or our immigration law.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845Nope. Just more convincing to anyone who is not prejudiced. That's because you are confusing again the birth certificate with a COLB, whose legal standing does not guarantee that it contains accurate information. Berg’s filings made other claims that have shown up in anti-Obama lawsuits and in the proliferation of “birther” Website. One relies on an audio tape of Obama’s step-grandmother Sarah Obama, who lives in Kenya, being goaded into saying (through a translator) that the future president was born in Kenya before quickly correcting herself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845Baloney. She was NOT goaded into that statement. She never corrected herself. That's an outright lie. I have heard the complete tape. (A doctored version of this tape, which cuts off before the retraction, is posted on YouTube.) Another claim: Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, when it was illegal for an American to do so, suggesting that he used a non-American passport. The problem is that there never was any such ban. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845“We have no record of any travel ban between America and Pakistan during that period or since,” said Noel Clay, a spokesman for the State Department. Oh, so Obama was lying then, was he, Mr Clay, when he wrote that in his autobiography? LOL! “We got that from someplace,” Berg told TWI on Thursday. In an email, he added his paralegal was “reviewing” his files on Pakistan. Yet the false claim appears in Orly Taitz’s lawsuit on behalf of perennial presidential candidate Alan Keyes, which argues that Obama visited Pakistan “when entrance to Pakistan was banned to Americans, Christians and Jews,” proof that he gave up his American citizenship. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845What false claim? The State Department would be expected to deny that Obama ever visited Pakistan in order to help squash these rumors. Why do you put so much trust in its lies? As a result of that, extremely questionable theories and “facts” have become linchpins of ‘birther’ theories. ‘Birthers’ who refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth often cite the expertise of “Dr. Ron Polarik,” a self-described “expert in computer graphics” who maintains a blog at Townhall.com and has recorded a video, in which his face and voice are blurred, explaining how the image was “forged” with Adobe Photoshop. “Polarik” submitted an affidavit in support Orly Taitz’s Keyes case that is signed “XXXXXXXXXXX,” making it inadmissible. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845“If it ever comes down to it,” explained Gary Kreep, another lawyer for Keyes, “we’ll use his real name.” Yes. Bring it on. Because of the dismissal tactics used by lawyers for the president, John McCain, and both political parties, believers in these various theories and readings of the Constitution argue that they have never been proven wrong. Although Rep. John Campbell (R-Calif.) explained his support of a House bill that would require copies of birth certificates from presidential candidates by saying it would “put all this to rest,” the very frivolity and obscurity of the challenges to Obama suggest the beginning of a conspiracy theory that will never be debunked to the satisfaction of its believers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845"Frivolity" is simply a vacuous, pejorative word used to cover up for the fact that the charges against Obama cannot be disproved. It won't wash. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 718901 United Kingdom 07/24/2009 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It doesn't matter if there was a ban on travel to that country or not. If Obama used an Indonesian passport, he was traveling as an Indonesian citizen. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845Similarly, if he applied for school and scholarships as a foreign national, as he apparently did at Occidental college, he was acting as a foreign national. If, after his Indonesian step-parent got him Indonesian citizenship, Obama acted as an Indonesian citizen as an adult and never renounced his Indonesian citizenship and repatriated himself as a U.S. citizen, he is no longer a U.S. citizen. he had dual citizenship, his indonesian citizenship has expired. his college records have not been released, and that claim of the scholarship was a hoax. fulbright does not offer that particular scholarship to undergraduates in the first place. he never renounced his US citizenship upon moving to indonesia. indonesia allows people under the age of 18 to hold dual citizenship. after age 18 you must pass a residency requirement and renounce your other citizenship, obama did neither, so it automatically expired. How do you know? That's pure speculation. You are quoting what the law is now, That was not the law when Obama moved to Indonesia, |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 718901 United Kingdom 07/24/2009 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obama's father was NEVER a US citizen. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845This makes Obama a dual-citizen at birth. Dual citizens at birth CANNOT be Natural born. Only Natural Born citizens qualify for President. Obama is not a Natural Born US citizen, and thus ineligible to be POTUS. Everything else is smokescreen. This is the only relevant fact involving MISTER Barack Obama's eligibility. there is nothing in the natural-born citizen clause, or anywhere else in the constitution, that prevents a dual citizen at birth from being president. That's not the point. The issue is whether Obama is a natural born American, not whether he still has dual citizenship. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 454845 United States 07/24/2009 01:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The COLB is not proof, dumbass. You expect us to take your denials seriously when you make stupid legal faux pas like that! Merely saying that you have seen an original document is not the same as confirming that it shows that Obama was born in Hawaii. What sloppy thinking! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718901the original document would not be on file in hawaii if he wasn't born there. it wasn't possible to register foreign-born children in hawaii until 1982. Oh, so Obama was lying then, was he, Mr Clay, when he wrote that in his autobiography? LOL! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718901What false claim? The State Department would be expected to deny that Obama ever visited Pakistan in order to help squash these rumors. Why do you put so much trust in its lies? obama didn't write that he visited pakistan at a time when travel for american citizens was banned. he did write that he visited pakistan. the state department is not denying that obama visited pakistan, they are pointing out that there was never such a ban, only a travel advisory. [link to dosfan.lib.uic.edu] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 642502 United States 07/24/2009 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is the most honest informative article I have seen on Obama. It is lengthy but gives a perspective of which most Americans are totally unconscious. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 564424[link to atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com] Obama's father was NEVER a US citizen. This makes Obama a dual-citizen at birth. Dual citizens at birth CANNOT be Natural born. Only Natural Born citizens qualify for President. Obama is not a Natural Born US citizen, and thus ineligible to be POTUS. Everything else is smokescreen. This is the only relevant fact involving MISTER Barack Obama's eligibility. So now the birthers are changing direction. Fact: several US presidents have had parents who were citizens of another country, some have even had both parents be citizens of other countries. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 697612 United States 07/24/2009 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “Berg wants to say,” said Torri, “that this document from a school Indonesia, which has no signature, which has no standing whatsoever, is more important than Obama’s birth certificate or our immigration law.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 718901Nope. Just more convincing to anyone who is not prejudiced. That's because you are confusing again the birth certificate with a COLB, whose legal standing does not guarantee that it contains accurate information. Berg’s filings made other claims that have shown up in anti-Obama lawsuits and in the proliferation of “birther” Website. One relies on an audio tape of Obama’s step-grandmother Sarah Obama, who lives in Kenya, being goaded into saying (through a translator) that the future president was born in Kenya before quickly correcting herself. Baloney. She was NOT goaded into that statement. She never corrected herself. That's an outright lie. I have heard the complete tape. A), No, it's YOU who are confusing the supposed school registration in Indonesia with his Birth Certificate! B) No, you obviously DID NOT hear the whole tape, you heard ONLY what Berg wanted you to hear. The material in the original post is WHOLLY accurate, info from GOOD attorneys, NOT ones who got their Law License from a cereal box. . |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 730130 United States 07/24/2009 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What sort of fucked up logic and complete lack of intelligence do you idiots possess anyway? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 192998Keep it up, birthers--you're insistence on mainstream exposure is quickly making you the laughingstock of the entire country. Idiots. Actually, I think Obama's drastic drop in approval polls shows, that those who voted for him were the idiots! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 192998 United States 07/24/2009 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What sort of fucked up logic and complete lack of intelligence do you idiots possess anyway? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 730130Keep it up, birthers--you're insistence on mainstream exposure is quickly making you the laughingstock of the entire country. Idiots. Actually, I think Obama's drastic drop in approval polls shows, that those who voted for him were the idiots! Point proven. Keep on living in fantasy land, moran. Your ignorance shines through. |