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ETs and Ancient Astronauts are Illuminati Propaganda

 
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02/28/2005 01:37 PM
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ETs and Ancient Astronauts are Illuminati Propaganda
by Ivan Fraser - www.truthcampaign.co.uk

Foreword



Over the last 30 years or so there has been increasing interest in
the ´ancient astronaut´ thesis. Although this fascination
with ´real´ alien visitors essentially hit mainstream consciousness
with the works of Erik Von Daniken and Zechariah Sitchin, the
population has been mentally prepared for the aliens since the
beginning of the 20th century by science-fiction in books, comics,
movies and tv shows. It is so innate to our collective psyche today
that there are very few who do not relate the idea of UFOs to extra-
terrestrial beings, and have an immediate mental image of
the ´greys´ and the similar spindly beings of Spielberg´s Close
Encounters, or Whitley Streiber´s Communion, as their archetypal
representation of these same off-world entities.

Today there are numerous TV documentaries asking the questions about
whether or not we are being visited by extra-terrestrial beings, and
countless books and websites promoting ´the truth´ about our alien
co-inhabitees of the universe. Furthermore, any amount of New Age
psychics and channellers are also preaching ´the word´ as ´given to
them´ by ET cousins.

There is currently in production a movie called ´1 Anunnaki´, which
looks like it will be another popular sci-fi alien movie. It appears
to be based entirely on the work of Sitchin, and is already
gathering interest from those people who are keen to see ´the truth
about the history of our planet´ finally revealed to the masses.
www.1anunnaki.com/1-anunnaki-main.html

Given that the universe is such a massive place, and given that
there is so much material and evidence for ETs and their activities,
isn´t it verging on insanity to suggest that there may actually be
another reason entirely for such things? How can all of these
experiences, books, scholars, and even currently a growing number of
scientists and government ´insiders´ be mistaken?

Well, one could summarize that briefly, and one would make no impact
on a mind that has already taken the view expressed above. But I
would sincerely hope that as it takes an open mind to accept such
conventionally outlandish ideas as alien visitation, the reader
would try and remain equally open-minded, in assessing the contents
of what follows.

´But we´ve read a thousand books on the subject. There is no doubt.
Even if they aren´t all entirely accurate, one thing´s for sure -
the common element - and that is ETs exist and they are visiting
this planet, have been for centuries, and probably have an agenda
for our future.´

To suggest otherwise is heresy right?

At least it is increasingly so these days. Ever wondered about that;
how something so suppressed and ´true´ should be so increasingly
accepted by the mainstream, when all along we have been told
that ´they´ don´t want us to know this?

What if such a mindset has been engineered? What if it is being
designed in such a way that the entire alien visitor scenario is
what the powers-that-be WANT us to replace our religions and belief
systems with?

But why? Surely there´s a history of government and Intel
suppression of this information? They wouldn´t hide and suppress
what they want us to believe would they?

Well, yes. Firstly, they aren´t hiding it! They are steadily
creating an air of mystery and allowing us to come to the very
conclusions that we are. It´s reverse psychology really. And the
Illuminati know all about how to control mass mentality.

If all this was so secret, do you really think that all
these ´insiders´ would still be free and on talk shows, in
magazines, and books spreading this top-secret material, having
signed national security agreements? Would there be so much
availability of this supposedly ´secret´ subject in mainstream
media? The same media that clearly manages to heavily suppress and
distort most of the other material that concerns those in
the ´conspiracy´ area.

Why, if history shows us that the first UFO organisations that were
accusing the CIA and governments of covering up the truth of alien
visitors, were actually CIA and government agents, should we believe
that suddenly, today, everything they told us was true?

And why should the CIA and governments have been so interested in
ploughing energy into creating UFO groups and cults, if what they
say is true? Clearly there´s something big belying this agenda, and
it certainly is not what those agents told us was going on. The one
thing we can be damned sure of is that it isn´t is alien visitation.

And why do people not know that the alien stories ORIGINATED in the
Intelligence community, when they are also being told BY THE SAME
community that the Intel and Govt. arena is deliberately HIDING
these truths?

What kind of mental gymnastics does it take to accept that the
government is hiding the truth, whilst relying on their agents FOR
the information?

The answer is simple: our minds and opinions are being manipulated
AWAY from the truth by simple sleight-of-hand magician´s tricks.
Whilst we are all looking at the interesting and enthralling
spectacle, we are missing the real action, and failing to notice the
simple way the deception is achieved. In doing so, we are
continually speculating about all manner of conspiracies and hidden
technologies, as well as occult realities that vested interests
certainly do not want us delving into.

Why are so many authors performing these same mental gymnastics and
writing books that expose the Illuminati conspiracy whilst giving
one of their conspiracies as reason behind the agenda? If we take
the work of David Icke, for example, he has written thousands of
pages exposing the Illuminati, but underpins it entirely with
Zechariah Sitchin´s erroneous and fantastical interpretations of
ancient history - the evidence for which is given below. At the same
time, Icke claims Sitchin to be a disinformant, as well as claiming
that he has attended sacrificial Illuminati rituals in which he
transformed into a reptilian. If Sitchin is one of the bad guys then
why is he telling the truth about the ETs? I don´t believe - as has
been rumoured - that Icke is himself a deliberate disinformant, but
I do believe that Icke has much to do to re-evaluate his books and
understand how much of what he writes comes from disinformation
sources (as I pointed out, even from sources he himself identifies
as unreliable). It´s no use relying on one or two authors to give
you the basis of an entire all-encompassing thesis, and relying on
cross-referencing authors that all sing from the same hymn sheet,
unless you have done enough research into that subject yourself and
can understand it sufficiently to be able to decide that those
authors are actually properly representing the topic. One can read a
hundred books all telling the same story and believe one is well-
read in that field, and adopt that version as one´s belief system.
Icke is merely one example, and perhaps the most popular, of those
authors and lecturers who appear to provide a massive amount of
evidence and references for their theses, when in fact they are
merely replicating work of a handful of other authors who share the
commonalities that fit where the author wishes to ´come from´.

The above is merely one example of how the Intelligence community
set information sources against each other, providing
various ´angles´ on a subject to fit the reader´s particular
mindset, but always keeping the common factor the same. Icke, like
most people, works on the basis of documenting ´commonalities´, and
often points out that although there are many versions of the same
story, it is the ´common interconnecting themes´ inherent in his
documentation that are the evidence for the verity of his
explanations. However, creating many ´versions´ of disinformation is
an integral part of the manipulation. Creating 200 variants on who,
why and what, the aliens are, gives people apparent choice as to
which version to believe, or whether to synthesise their own
version. BUT, it isn´t the one version of the scenario that the
Intel community are trying to implant (at least not yet), it is
merely that the people will accept the CENTRAL THEME - that is the
Aliens. They provide a data-hungry audience with a jigsaw puzzle
and ´challenge´ them to put it together, but they remove key pieces.
So the intrepid researcher nearly always ends up piecing together
the picture that ´they´ want him to, but usually with subtle
variations on the central theme. Then, later, other authors rely on
such ideas as the basis of their own, but tend to wish to take it a
step further, to be a bit cleverer, more insightful, than the last.
And so the myths develop many tentacles, whereas the main body
remains the central and unifying factor. Of course, that central
unifying factor was false to begin with, but given time, nobody
bothers to check out the deductions that led to the original idea in
the first place; and what we are left with is a hundred and one
variations on an erroneous theme, such as found in religions, New
Age beliefs, even science and history all come down to us built upon
the dogmas of our forebears. It builds up like an inverted triangle.
Of those who do decide to look at things from the first principle
and get to the root of the thing, most are overwhelmed by the task
at hand because they spend so much time sifting through the very
works of those spin-off authors and find the original documentation
to be rare, out of print, or whatever, and that it´s still tempting
to just go along with one of the pre-prepared theories already in
existence.

I am no exception to this. As a researcher, I understand how easy it
is to get caught up in the red herrings, and how difficult, time-
consuming and expensive it is to verify data and explore theories
from the bottom up, rather than simply accept the words of others
who appear to have done all the work for you. But with each passing
week, I am becoming ever more aware of just how much information
that is available on these subjects has simply been collated and
BELIEVED without checking it out, and have become enormously popular
ideas amongst those that consume them as readers. If only the
readers knew how much material out there is simply unreliable, and
how much these authors only appear to have researched it for
themselves, and how many people set themselves up as authorities
whilst having merely a smattering of knowledge on their subject, I
think the sales of books, seminars and lectures by these
personalities would plummet.

People are being groomed en masse into cults of personalities of
authors and lecturers pontificating about aliens and conspiracies
and ascended masters and all sorts of shallow material, whilst being
entirely unaware that they are being so manipulated. They have been
told, therefore believe, that the personality will reveal so much,
and they trust that the author or presenter has thoroughly examined
the subject. But nine times out of ten, the author is merely
dressing up their own belief system in apparently new clothes, from
the very material that created their belief system and cult
mentality in the first place. The authors often do not realise they
are wrong, and that their truth is a belief-system, and so usually
begins proceedings by telling his audience that he is against
religion and cults and orthodoxy etc. And the audience is impressed
by that, finds a kindred sceptic in their preferred source, and ends
up becoming a part of an alternative belief system that believes it
is now free and onto ´the truth´, rather than being one of ´them´,
a ´straight´ or an ´unawakened´ or ´unenlightened´ one. It all
serves to make the New Age and alternative conspiracy community feel
rather special.

Again, I do not divorce myself from this phenomenon. I too am at the
mercy of my sources, and I too feel I have an important message for
people to consider. I believe in the verity of what I believe and
provide reason and evidence. Which is why I am always at pains to
ask people to think for themselves and try and verify any
information provided by me or anyone else. All I try and do is make
sense of things as best I can and put it up for consideration.
Authors, researchers, lecturers, presenters, journalists, scholars
etc. are all readers too; not necessarily as wise or knowledgeable
as they may appear, no matter how many pages they churn out. I´ve
met many people who have never written an article or a book who are
far more knowledgeable about such things than many recognised
authors on certain topics. And yet, it is these recognised
characters who are fast becoming the new authorities and priests of
the new breed of New Age and related cultic movements. And most of
them are singing from the same sheet. So there´s little difference
really, and the reader´s choice is largely an illusion. Just as for
centuries the West was divided fundamentally into Catholics and
Protestants, and few thought to consider that there may be an
alternative to Christianity in the first place, so too today there
are increasingly many people who are failing to consider that there
may be an alternative to the ET central core theme.

For many the issue is settled, and no amount of scepticism
or ´debunking´ will convince them otherwise.

If a host of cults and belief systems can be created now, it is only
a matter of wheeling out the advanced technology and a bunch
of ´experts´ later to unite those diverse believers into a unified
belief system. If all of those pre-prepared believers believe in the
common theme of aliens, the process should be fairly easy. The rest
of the herd will go along with it too, because who isn´t going to
believe a fly-by of UFO craft, combined with news footage of alien
artefacts and accredited experts stating that ´we now know
scientifically that ETs are visiting Earth´, whilst on the other
channel are a bunch of experts in ancient writings showing how the
ancient texts tell us that these beings have been here for
millennia, busily showing us pictures of old art and symbolism is
really spacecraft and alien lifeforms? The newspapers will be full
of this most amazing revelation of the age - the headlines will be
unavoidable. Suddenly, everything will make sense to the man in the
street, who is prone to believing anything an ´expert´ tells him,
and will promptly rush out and buy as many Icke, Sitchin and related
books as he can find. Everything he reads in those books will
reinforce the evidence he has been given and he will never think to
question or look for himself. He will wonder why he never ´got it´
in the first place and will bow to the superiority of all those at
whom he scoffed in the past, and they will gladly provide him with
everything he needs to know.

Oh the joy that will be felt around the world, when finally everyone
joins the new reality and are ´awakened´. But those pesky religious
types will need sorting out for the greater good of all, of course!
The heretics and infidels of the old ways, those pagans and heathens
who cannot understand or accept the clear Truth!

Hang on, where have I heard that before? Why am I put in mind of the
Inquisition, the witchtrials and the various religious purges of the
last few thousand years?

Don´t assume it won´t happen, because it always did before, and
there´s no reason to suspect that in time to come this new religion
will be exactly the same foundation for intolerance and mass mind
control as those that preceded it.

Another author to influence the conspiracy and New Age community
with his own version of the ET mythos, William Cooper, realised a
few years before his death that he had been used in a clever scam -
to convince people that aliens were visiting Earth, manipulating
people through a network of conspiratorial organisations that the
Earth´s governments were colluding with. But still, today, his book
Behold A Pale Horse remains a widely-quoted script for
the ´exposure´ or the ET agenda. How many people realise that only
several years after releasing that book, Cooper retracted the whole
alien connection? Not only that, but many books have since been
based upon this book, such as David Icke´s Robot´s Rebellion and its
follow-up works, that maintain the exact same basis as the
cornerstone of the world view represented therein. Like myself, he
made the transition and broke away from the mould of the community
he was essentially part of. He wasn´t afraid to let go of his
beliefs and dogmas and tell things as he saw them. I recommend that
the reader also reads MAJESTYTWELVE by Bill Cooper.

ETs sell books - but as experience has shown me, giving the
alternative, no matter how reasonable or well-referenced, does not
attract much attention. It is exciting and stimulating to consider
that the sci-fi we grew up with as children may actually be true.
The more sensational and outlandish, the more promises that ´this
book reveals more´ than the others, the more people will buy them.
The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it. And the
Illuminati know this all too well.

We have come so far now down the ET road that the mass belief has
become a NEW RELIGION; one rejected as such by its adherents. It is
a belief that is now ´the truth´ to so many people Such adherents -
like members of all cults - do not consider their own beliefs to be
cultic or religious. How can the ´truth´ be religion?

We are not infallible. We can not be expected to know everything. We
are ALL at the mercy of our sources, and we take on faith the
accuracy of their data. If you want to find the truth in anything,
never be afraid of re-evaluating your beliefs.

This conspiracy to replace the old gods and revise history with
swathes of extra-terrestrial beings and introduce a new religion for
a new scientific age, is so stealthy, so ingrained and so vast that
I do not blame anyone for accepting such scenarios as ´the truth´.
Indeed, several years ago, I too would have offered the ancient
astronaut hypothesis as the most likely candidate to explain any
number of mysteries and conventionally-inexplicable phenomena. Yes,
I too have read these books and been fascinated since early
childhood with the idea of alien visitation; many a time I have
gazed at the night skies for hours in the hope that I would witness
a UFO. And yes, on a few occasions I have seen them!

Towards the late 1990s I began to find many answers to those same
questions that create alien beliefs, that had nothing to do with
ETs. I either had to keep my own mind open and accept that I may
have been wrong - which the new data showed me was the case - or I
could have remained cocooned in a belief system, and used ´the
aliens are responsible´ as a convenient answer to those very
anomalies and mysteries.

I spoke to many people who were primarily interested in UFO and
alien research, and none were aware of the data I was starting to
collate, and none were able to provide answers or give as reasonable
an explanation for the phenomena we were discussing. That situation
has not changed.

´But aren´t you just a sceptic? There are loads of debunkers who
just either haven´t seen all the data or are misinformationsists.´

Good question, and a very common one. There are simple sceptics that
take the conventional views and ridicule alternative free-thinking.
I am certainly not one of them. Anyone familiar with my work will
know that I have spent many years experiencing and investigating
occultism, the paranormal, psychism, and of late science and history
of ´unexplained´ phenomena. I have always advocated such research
and always accepted as normal the reality of multiple dimensions,
psychic phenomena, inter-dimensional communication, and have always
leaned towards the New Age modes of thought. But I have always
remained sceptical of claims that I have not explored in sufficient
detail for myself.

And yes, there are many debunkers and sceptics who offer the
shallowest of debunking material and deserve to be discredited.
However, just as Intel have agents in the field putting these alien
stories into circulation, they also have a lot of those opposing
that same material. This is deliberate, in order that the debunkers
can be themselves debunked by the UFO community, and thereby give
greater credence to the alien agenda. It is not because official
sources and debunkers are bad at obscuring the truth about alien
visitation that they never provide credible explanations for the UFO
reports, it is because they are supposed to make such a hash of it
that the average researcher or reader will feel that they have the
opposition ´sussed´, which reinforces their belief in the alien
agenda and that the government/Intel/Illuminati are trying to keep
it ´hushed up´.

A person naturally feels rather chuffed when they believe they have
outsmarted the opposition. This reinforces a belief system
splendidly. The Illuminati know that, and they are a lot cleverer
than the vast majority of us!

It is not for me to tell anyone what or how to believe, nor to
impose my own beliefs on anyone else, but on this matter I do
implore those readers who now wish to reject outright the following
material, to read on. You may have read a thousand books on the
following subjects and NEVER been presented with the data below;
even if you believe you have read just about everything going and
are convinced that this is a closed subject.

If you believe that ETs are visiting planet Earth, that they founded
civilisation, have an agenda for mankind or that they are merely
benevolent ´watchers´ of mankind (or all the above), THINK AGAIN!
That´s what you are SUPPOSED to believe, as far as I am concerned. I
believe you have been fooled. Accept that or not, but from what I
have gathered over the years, that is my firm belief. Do not reject
it outright as ´but that´s just your belief´, but examine the data
and the reasoning behind it, and decide for yourself what makes
sense.

The mechanics of the inter-dimensional mind is such that it is very
difficult to escape belief systems. The collective unconscious is a
swarming mass of archetypes and ideas that affect us perpetually.
Unless we can learn to separate the external influence of the sea of
energy around us from the mind that lies within us, and truly think
for ourselves, we are easily victims of those who know how to
manipulate the information coming into our heads and minds through
the five senses, as well as the occult fields.

What is actually being hidden from plain sight by the programming of
people to see ´aliens´ where they are not, is profound! Real
technology, NOT back-engineered alien technology, but real
technology based on physics that is over 100 years old which has
been obscured and written out of the text books - if it ever managed
to sneak into them at all, that is. The same physics that lies
behind the engineering of flying discs is also that which would
provide free and clean power. And that same physics works on
principles that also explain many other so-called mysteries
or ´paranormal phenomena´.

The science we see on show today is over 50 years behind that which
exists in secret.

Concurrently, the cover-stories are being used to create a new
religion that replaces and brings together the other out-dated
religions, much as Christianity did 2000 years ago. Steadily, it was
manufactured out of diverse religious sources across the Roman
empire, and used to control those people of other religions with
a ´one size fits all´ Catholic one. The consequences of which have
been a disaster for mankind - eons of mental and spiritual slavery,
as well as the cause of genocides. Religion is the ideal tool of
control, and currently ´the ETs´ are the racing cert for being the
basis of the next biggie.

People are already being condescended to and even ridiculed in
websites and magazines for not believing in the aliens. They are
already becoming a new generation of HERETICS. It won´t be too long
before we start to see a more sinister mentality growing in
the ´believers´, as extremist factions begin to form and the course
of the new religion inevitably takes the same one as that of the
other main religions of history.

Are you honest enough and courageous enough to reconsider deeply
held beliefs and realities? Or are you convinced that the ETs are
out there and they are coming and no amount of ´debunking´ will
convince you otherwise?

It´s your choice. I wish you well in whatever view you take.

The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it. If you know the
truth, then you cannot be taken in by the lie. However, if you
believe lies, then all you will find is evidence to reinforce the
illusion. The only solution is a truly open mind, a willingness to
shed one´s dogmas no matter how dearly cherished, and absolute
honesty.



The following, albeit lengthy, compilation of articles merely
scratch the surface of the matter at hand. The subject is worthy of
at least several volumes of books, as there are so many interrelated
topics to consider.

In my own comments, I have drawn on the work of Prof. L A Waddell to
explain some of the historical data of ancient Sumer. Most readers
may be familiar with Waddell through the recent works of David Icke.
In my view, Icke has done a great service in explaining the
intricacies of the Illuminati agenda, but has made the fundamental
error of combining Waddell´s work with that of Sitchin to create a
hybridised false version of history, and used that false history as
the entire basis of his current world view. In Waddell´s history
there are no extraterrestrials - and to the ancients the only extra-
terrestrials were the heavenly bodies, and these became the ´gods
and the watchers and teachers of mankind. They were often humanized
(albeit supernaturally so) or expressed in totemic animal form or
hybrids of both. But the ancients did not recognise the concept of
alien beings riding in ships from outer space and interacting with
mankind! Waddell does indeed need to be tempered with data from
other fields - especially in the region of ancient mythology, which
he sometimes confused for real history despite his invaluable
insights into this field. He failed to realise the full extent to
which ancient historical characters became fused with cultural
mythologies, and where the origins of these mythologies lay. Almost
inevitably, such characters became fused in cultural histories with
archetypes of ancient mythology based around the cycles of nature,
ancient astronomy etc. I do not go into these elements below, but
urge the reader to look at the work of Acharya S, Gerald Massey etc.
to see where these mythologies derived from and how.

One MUST study comparative mythology to understand the meaning
behind the stories that are today being passed off as tales of
ancient extraterrestrials. One CANNOT rely on the accuracy of the
likes of Sitchin and Icke to portray these myths as were understood
by their creators. If one studies for oneself the same mythologies
presented throughout the globe, one finds that there are many
different versions of the same myths that clearly do not even hint
at extraterrestrials, but instead reveal an early form of scientific
explanation of natural phenomena using that which was visible and
observed by the ancients as similes.

Ivan Fraser
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Sounds like a run on sentence. What is your point? what are your credentials? who foots the bill for your research? Please elaborate on your interest in this? From what i could tell it seems like your contributing disinformation.
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sorry ivan,

but the archaeological evidence supports Sitchin - ET clay tablets were´nt made by him.
Tons of ET material in museum artefacts.

I agree that the human condition is artificially controlled - but I think that the human race are a special set of handicapped beings being born for spiritually therapeutic reasons - and that the ET races supposed to be ´helpibg us fight the evil greys and reptiles´ etc are onr of the main source of patients for our health farm here.

Its a deliberate cul de sac - scientifically and without letting the loonies fly off in space ships - there needs to be a reasonable excuse for why they can´t get access to interstellar society with its fine restaurants, telepathy and massively enlightened artworks.

hence the jilted blondes from lyra etc etc the ummians who want to give us what tesla already tried to etc etc .. some token good guys in the cul de sac soap opera.

its no go because the place is so tightly controlled and organised .. no human escapees from the open air asylum whilst they work out their spiritual problems and injuries
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The whole story of the Jews is one of ET involvement.
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Prove that "E.T.´s are from space or accept that they may very well not be. There is not one tiny shread of proof that they are from space. There is every indication that they are interdiminsional travelers. There is every indication that the whole lot of them are fallen angels rather than "aliens".
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What a bullshitter Ivan Fraser is....truth campaign my ass! He believes that Sitchin is a disinformationalist and David Icke is not.

Need I say more?
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look at the story of the Dogon tribe and their news of sirius b
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Name one illuminati!
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name one illuminati !!!!


what pseudo rational ´skepticism´ is that supposed to be ...
Look at the federal reserve one dollar note ... somebody got that past the editor didn´t they
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Historical Art work and UFO´s

[link to www.ufoartwork.com]
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OP

did not read the whole post yet...but agree that the alien agenda is just that an agenda

but unfortunately this is becoming the minority thinking

the movies have done a good job at selling this mindset

people put more faith in stitchin then they do in God these days
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Sitchin is Rockerfeller mouthpiece.
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The Bible is full of angels who could very well be ETs. By ET I simply mean those not from earth. They were our creators, "Let us make man", Genesis I. We are made a little lower than angels, I mean ETs, they are our creators using their DNA to make us no longer just being a creature like Neaderthals. Sitchin calls our creators the Anunnakis and he is refering to the Sumerian ancient writings on clay tablets that tell of those from the sky who came to earth and used their genes to create the creatures we are now, to be intelligent workers (what else is new?) William Bramley wrote in his book "The Gods of Eden" that the Watchers as told in "The Book of Enoch" have been with us even to this day. There are UFOs in the Bible, Ezekiel was taken away in a firey chariot and Enoch was taken away not to see death, so it reads. Alien abduction is how I see those happenings. Jesus shining like the sun at his Transfiguration had two from the past next to him. Alien abduction again or was he giving them the mental vision to see this? Finally, Jesus leaves his disciples and ascends in the air. Steven Spielberg did he read that? Oh but Christian won´t dare say Jesus was an ET will they.

If you can admit to good angels who protect mankind and demons the bad ones who harm us with their earthly Insiders called the Illuminati being that Secret Society bunch who want power and to control the world affairs by controlling the people in many ways, I believe its connected with the aliens who are not for us but against us. It is not unrealistic to call angels good or bad, Extraterrestrials. The ETs, I mean angels attach to the personalities we have that they have. You will know them by their actions towards mankind, whether men, angels or ETs. The ETs have the knowledge far beyond ours, free energy which is faster than light is how they travel and being invisible is how they can be. The Bible tells you to believe in the invisible ones.
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Waaaaaaaay too long of a post, couldn´t finish it witho....zzzzzzzzzzzzz
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For some time, I was a follower of the classic
Ancient Astronauts theory. To put Sitchin´s or Däniken´s theory in one sentence: The "gods" came from the stars and brought culture to the stone-age civilization.

After a few years of reading many books on the topic and researching via the Internet, I came to the following result:

The artefacts mentioned by the known authors are real and indeed show evidence of ancient technology. What the authors do NOT pointed out:

The technology we see shown with these artefacts, petroglyphs and paintings show preciscly the technology of our time! The deviation from this time is only +-50 years! This is a small but important fact which makes the whole story really interesting.

Besides other reasons this one lead me to the conclusion that the "gods" or ancient astronauts were nothing else than normal humans, maybe some military special forces, who survived a catastrophic event on Earth at that time in prehistory - yes like Atlantis.

Note, that the Atlantis story is something neither canonical historians poke with a 13 foot pole nor even followers of Däniken or Sitchin even consider as something to think about!

Like Velikovksy wrote, mankind seems to behave like an indivial person in a traumatic state caused by that catastrophic event. And like a person, which is well known as a psychological fact, wants to repeat that traumatic event, maybe to understand it better as the person cannot see any reason for its happening. Some intelligents persons with probably good intentions, invented a punishing god to have a kind of scapegoat to center on.
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I have read the Bible and I have read those that believe in the ancient astronaunts. There is a connection. All I can say is each person needs to read these books too then decide for themselves. Perhaps they can see the connection as well.

Our Planet was visited by sky beings its in many books and tellings. Proof of these beings are the monoliths we have worldwide they left behind, stone blocks weighing over 300 tons. Free energy ability like what flew their spacecrafts would make lifting those blocks no hardship for them. To this day, no scientist can tell us how mankind lifted them and placed those 300 to 500 tons of solid rock in perfect placements. If you follow your history books, back then mankind was still no more than a hunter and living in caves! So what advanced us? The most logical answer is ET DNA, we are made in their image and likeness, like they we are creators and builders, etc.
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AC 983, two notes:

1. Wouldn´t a todays (military) helicopter be seen as the description of the event Ezechiel describes in the Bible?

2. How would John Doe live if every modern infrastructure has been destroyed, all books burned and only a few survivors? Wouldn´t we call that "stone-age"?

No needs for sky-beings, ETs from outside our solar system and other spooky stuff.
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I don´t think ETs are any more spookier than how some people are on earth who do cruel things to others, committing murders, etc.

My theories are just seeing a connection what is called angels could very well be extraterrestrials. I see they have abilities far greater than we have which makes us lower than they are.
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12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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good post for those who are into reevaluating beliefs and studying the ideas of others around them.

can´t buy it all, but can´t disregard it all.
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AC 171, I found your thoughts very interesting. I first became interested in the ancient astronaught theories after reading Alan Alfords book "Gods of the New Millenium". My first reaction was "wow it really could have been aliens" but over time and keeping an open mind I too have changed my stand (I wont say belief because I think Im wise enough now to know it dont count for shit!). Maybe our planet does wipe us out periodically after we reach a certain technological phase or just by coincidence? The amount of predecerors could be infinate. For all our posture and pride perhaps our present civilisation knows squat?
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Illuminati Propaganda rides upon the back of historical Ancient Astronaughts and current ET arangements.

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12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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Whats your point Spock?
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ET´S = Angels
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My true beliefs that the Bible is full of angelic beings which I believe are really extraterrestrials. You will either laugh or give it some real thoughts, this poster is on the right track. Here are why I really believe angels are ETs. First in Genesis I the Elohims, the sons of God were there and said, "Let us make man", the genetic reproduction which changed the Neaderthal beings to look and become how we look. Then it reads we are made in the image and likeness of God(s), meaning we are planners, creators and builders. Continueing it reads in Genesis after Adam and Eve ate the apple (got their alien DNA), "they have become like us"!

In the Old Testament, Ezekiel takes off in a firey chariot and Enoch vanishes without dying, alien abduction it sure appears to be.

In the New Testament, Jesus himself I believe was half extraterrestrial. At his conception the ET Gabriel was there to tell the Virgin Mary she would have a son, etc. Artificial insemination could very well have happened to her? However done, it was God´s DNA in Jesus. Jesus did miracles, he even could vanish from the crowd when it reads they picked up stones and would have stoned him. At Jesus´s Transfiguration it reads, he shone like the sun and had two men from the past with him. Now this is either a fairy tale or a real happening. Finally, when Jesus leaves earth he is taken up in front of his followers, alien abduction, you decide.

Illuminati or any group that harms us the hybrids of the angels ETs is ongoing. We are all sons and daughters of ETs. What I don´t agree with is saying all aliens are evil doers. The angels are either kind guardians or messengerrs of earthlings or the opposite. They attach themselves to the person who is like their personality. We have freewill to be who we want to be. Like them we are here to exist to be who we are, our actions is what counts.

Free energy is the knowledge our scientist barely understand, the ET angels had it for ages, its how they travel and to remain invisible I believe.
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12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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Not ET´s,man had the power of flight in ancient times.Who is so tramautized by that fact?
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That wouldn´t be good for "economy" if everyone knew the ancients´ secrets.
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That is EXACTLY what the Illuminati Races want you to think!
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Yes AC 63, I hoped the "" was enough to mark it.
Just imagine what would happen if McCanney was right with his theory that you could tap the ionosphere to get electricity for free? The whole Illuminati control system would loss its base.
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I almost have the answer today. MASERS!

As with the Ark of the Covenant,they were "Summoning the power of God" from the Earth´s own fields. "The power of God THROUGH or WITH ME!"
Perhaps muttering a prayer he does not get electrocuted?
"Has happened".

The gemstone or crystal..in a sceptre.Ground to the Earth. Conductive...metal,whole or clad.
A rod of iron or copper?Very abdundant.
Make a reflecting dish at the top...easy to do and a chiseled stone.
"No two exact."

Now a cage to hold the stone.What stone conducts electricity? Emits light.Something piezo electric.
How to bond it.The stone hexagon shaped? Was there a five sided one?? Symbol of Satan´s (from under the Earth) power?
What bonds the stone to the metal? A gemsmith could tell you that,they did it in ancient times.

And a weapon...capable of destroying a section of the planet?
"Different sized ones.."
"THAT is why they do not want us to have the knowledge! It is a fearsome weapon as well."
"The man on the hill with the maser. Also Moses,eradicating a mutiny you would call it."
"So that is why Yaweh was mad at Him,not the spring from the stone?"
"Show-off.Intrigued with this device.Power!"
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The Ephod garmet they wore...to protect the user. Metal filaments.2IC tells me the circuit board appearing decorations, "Something like solder,to the gems.."
The shoes! Take thy sandals off? Or just the opposite? keep them on? Electricity in the ground?

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