Anomaly Found Near Pluto

You're right Astrogal.

That's exactly what this blogger "Starviewer" is saying to us, that we need to think by ourselves.

In particular, all his very good arguments about the interpretation of G1.9+0.3 as a brown dwarf instead of the official supernova interpretation have not been challenged neither here nor at the starviewer blog site.

I intend to follow this argument as close as I can.
IMO right now there is strong evidence in the entire solar system of some extraneous presence that is affecting it as a whole, and I want to know what it is.

If NASA doesn't tell us (officially) and we can discover by ourselves (using NASA information BTW), I want to do that.

the follow up of the above argument:

The photo is of a supernova, and NASA released it long before it was perceived as a disturbing dwarf.

It is an image of the Chandra mission published in 2008.

Of course nothing says that is 30 AU, it is many, many light years [away].

You simply have taken the photo without permission from the NASA website.

Of the 700 astronomers from various institutions I ask you to get the name of 3 or 4 Spaniards with their institutions, i.e. if they are Spanish.

I'll send them an email indicating that their name has been mentioned in this page, what does it looks like to you?

 Quoting: tararí / / July 22 2009 at 8:48

Don't worry StarV, I do not think that this Tararí is an astrophysicist.

If he was, he would have argued scientifically why he thinks that it is a "supernova."

I am afraid that he is just a fellow of some University who has seen that in the WWT that the phenomenon is cataloged as "Supernova", and merely quote the "orthodox" catalog and a little more.

Same as "Tararí" who with a little luck, tries to use wikipedia and copy the definition of a supernova, and will take as a disappointment to realize that he can not argue or methane emissions, or the disturbance in the heliopause, nor the stellar spectrum, and certainly not the absence of X-ray emissions.

Luckily, from Lafayette and the University of Cambridge we have welcome findings.

Go on Tararí.

If you are an astrophysicist, then explain why you think that G1.9+3 is a supernova and also explain in detail to us, who are astrophysicists, what is the reason of an emission of 2700º Kelvin in that area ...

Greetings.

 Quoting: Nasa69 / / July 21 2009 at 16:14 | Reply

follow up

Hi,

I'm not an astrophysicist but a mathematician, but if you do not need to argue too much: G1.9 +3 is a supernova remnant found in 2008 by the Chandra X-ray observatory.

It is located 23 000 light years from earth, not far from the center of the galaxy.

Page with the data.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

 Quoting: tararí / / July 22 2009 at 14:14 | Reply

Comments of Starviewer regarding the distance of the perturbation in the Oort cloud and more details on why it should be a brown dwarf instead of a supernova,

[referring to a documentary of the History Channel]
Excellent documentary Zass7.

Indeed, the 2+ program from NASA worked on this, and was subsequently replaced by the 3+, which is something that is exactly in line with the event.

In fact, as the documentary explains, we're talking about a brown dwarf, the type T1.9JM+3, which interestingly coincides with the G1.9+3 spectrum.

The reason for this 1.9MJ is to verify the disruption of the stellar momentum predicted precisely by the models of Dr. John Matese and Dr. John B. Murray, and the observations made by Dr. Geoffrey W. Marcy, and Ben. R.Oppenheimer.

So actually, the alteration in Oort, is in fact similar to the one that occurs in other systems like Gliese 219 and there is even an interesting precedent in Alpha Centauri AB regarding its ternary Proxima Centauri, which orbits the two preceding [stars] at 1LY (Light year) and reaches its closest approach in 40AU. (Astronomical Units).

The systems we are discovering, are nearly all binary, ternary or quaternary, and we know that brown dwarfs are stars that exist in a proportion of twice of the rest of stellar bodies in our galaxy.
Kirkpatrick et al Dwarf L & T, M, L, and T classification, and Adam J. Burgasser's T-Dwarf.)

Precisely in the region of the exact appearance of our suspect candidate, is just the area where the disturbance of Oort is produced, and it's also the area where it has been detected a significant emission of heat as well as the presence of methane, which is characteristic of a T1.9+3.

Moreover, although G1.9+3 has been officially labeled as a "supernova", the center of the Galaxy is full of supernovas, which are over 40.000ly away from Oort, therefore a supernova with such characteristics would have to be


a) very NEXT, in which case, would be fried.

b) a very FAR AWAY, in which case it could not be detected because G1.9+3 would not appear in the spectrum of X-ray, or Gamma, and much less would reflect blue in the spectrum of infrared.


We are absolutely certain that in

RA: 17h48m45s
Dec: -27:10:00
Alt: -25:51:13
Az: 102:49:28

In +-30-35UA, there is a brown dwarf T1.9+3Mj.

We have notified this and we have found two surprises:

1st- NASA already knows, but obviously does not admit.

2nd- In the Lafayette U,[university?] they were already aware of it since 2001 and indeed, their studies go along this line, they are public and we have relied on them to understand this event.

Question ... What is NASA waiting to tell us about it?.

Greetings.

 Quoting: starviwer / / July 21 2009 at 18:32 | Reply

so like why isn't nancy and the zetas getting any credit for their years spent as tireless advocates of planet x?

why aren't the debunker loosers here yet giving us their 'insights'?

Hmmmmmmmmm.......

ZETAS RIGHT AGAIN

DEBUNKERS = F-A-I-L-U-R-E E-X-T-A-O-R-D-I-N-A-R-E

Hey now, be nice. The debunkers have to earn a living somehow. Ridiculing the Zetas makes many of these "awakened" souls feel more comfortable with themselves and their abilities to deal with the unknown aspects of the universe we live in. If Obama freaks them out into fear and anger, then what kind of emotions will the alien presence and it's influence on mankind have on these folk? It's sad but it's what we have to work with. Many will have to move on.

What is constant--that Space Science DENIES with a passion--is CHANGE.

I believe there is a space war going on right now, in the midst of the astronomical changes.

Jockeying for position.

[link to www.holyconservancy.org]

Okay, after 9 pages of headache inducing bad logic I find: Someone posted a lot of utterly incorrect information in Spanish, which works people into such a frenzy its takes 5 pages to successfully point out to even a tiny number of them that the initial information was just flat out incorrect. 4 pages later I see someone saying that the earths orbit is perturbed 22 degrees somehow and no one notices, and that Nasa knows there is a Brown dwarf approaching and the Zetas were right....

do any of you actually know astronomy and how it works? Or realize how many people look up in telescopes nightly and would notice if ANY of this was true?

Mind you the spot in Jupiter is pretty amazing, and Im interested to see how that works out, but as usual, the rest of this stuff is just batshit crazy.....

ALL WILL BE DEATH!!! BUHAHUSASH

So supposedly Wormwood is a star that itself orbits our sun and Nibiru is the only single planet that orbits it? Interesting, because if you check out these coordinates in google sky(13h 48m 0s -08 24' 25"), it DOES indeed look like something bright (a star?) with something (planet-turned-comet Nibiru?) leaving a fiery trail and orbiting it. Funny these same coordinates are blocked out in all different space viewing programs also(google sky, wwt, wikisky)

Yawn. And I hoped for a moment this thread wasn't total rubbish.

did ya look at google sky chief? care to try to explain what that is then, and why there is a convenient black spot over something that is obviously something signifcant, not just empty space?

im looking in wwt right now, i see nothing at all

Just type G1.9 in the Search field.

Even NASA has already stated that the present solar cycle (#24) is not going to be stronger than the previous one (#23).

Do you really think we should beleive NASA ?


The article is wrong. Just because someone wrote it and put it on a blog, does not make it right. How about you go find ANY OTHER ARTICLE anywhere that claims a brown dwarf is at that location, then come back.

How about finding your own proof if you want some ? All those people asking for more, actually usually don't give a F about it. What is sure is if you do your investigation, you'll find a lot of info that goes in the same direction.


The same person claiming there is a brown dwarf in our solar system - at a location which is NOT in our solar system -is also claiming a change in Pluto's orbit - not much credibility. I have no idea what this person thinks he is observing, but since he sees a brown dwarf where Chandra sees a supernova suggests that perhaps he doesn't even know where Pluto is.

Actually it's possible the the Brown dwarf itself doesn't even come into our Solar system. However, it is said that one of it's planet will. The Brown dwarf might actually just go around our solar system, but very close ( too close ).


The only reason you know of a "3600 year pattern of change" of Earth is because that senile old loon Sitchin told you so. Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear AC. Also before you retort with "ZOMG you non-believers are crazy the zetas say it is da troof and I know it is because I just know", find a reputable source that provides raw telescope data, or produce your own. Otherwise all you PX freaks are assholes and need to cut it out.

Cyclic geological change which CAN NOT be attributed to a brown dwarf or any other celestial body in or near our solar system ONLY. Again, Sitchin popularized the idea of a 3600 year cycle which evidence for could have been gleaned by him to help postulate his ideas.

Again, people should search for their own info before pretending those things. Actually a Mammoth has been found in Antarctica, estimated roughly 4000 thousand years old. The thing is the Mammoth was found in a tropical environment ( plants and such..), which was all frozen under the ice of course.

That is quiet a strong proof of a major Pole shift, and it seems to corroborate the cycle too.

And if you beleive in the writings, Noah's flood, the water that splits for Moses to escape the egyptians. All those could in fact be explain by this phenomen. That they are fictional are not, it's up to you to decide.

( The water that splits - if an huge object was at the OPPOSITE side of the earth, it would not only raise the sea level on one side of the earth, but it would also pull the water level down on the opposite side of the earth. The moon also does that, but not quiet as much. )

Here's the only link I could find about the mammoth and pole shift.

[link to www.answersingenesis.org]
[link to buzz.yahoo.com]


The astro-physicist are certainly concerned about something.

Are they? Link?


Therefore, I'd say that yes at least "some astro-physicists" are concerned about this possibility.


How about one of the most famous physicists in the world, Michio Kaku ?

[link to www.youtube.com]

Note that he's one of the only physicists( that I've seen at least ) that has no fear to be honest and that stands for his beleifs. I truely admire him.

Note also that he admits that scientists made a mistake.. BY A FACTOR OF 20 !! Clearly, Michio Kaku is concerned by the solar storms, and I'm sure he know much more than he can tell us of course.


That's (possibly) evidence of multiple asteroids. The only impact we know of for certain was Jupiter. It's certainly not evidence of a large planet "throwing" asteroids into our solar system.

If PX exists, then it has mass. Mass = gravity. An object with mass would not "throw" anything, it would instead ATTRACT smaller objects into its own orbit.

So you really think ALL the asteroids that will be affect by this incoming object, will either NOT MOVE AT ALL, or go collide with the object itself ?

I think it's obvious it will be lot more chaotic than that ... especially if you consider the tail of the brown dwarf is said to be full of debris. If a asteroids is hit by another, or by those debris, it's very possible it will be thrown pretty much anywhere.


The only planetary event I know of was Jupiter. I have seen nothing credible about a solar impact. And the Pluto thing? Unless you've moved way way waaaaaaay out of our solar system, you haven't been affected by the supernova at WWT.G1.9+0.3.

Taken from a post above ( Some great posts up there - Thanks for the info )

Supernovas usually happens between 25000 40000 light years. But NASA pretend this one has occured around 140 light years ago.

I'm not a physicists, but it seems to be an evidence according lot of people, that that is completly impossible. If it WAS indeed a supernova that is 140 light years from here, we would be toasted by now. Also like he says, the blue color comes from methane - there's none in supernovas.



1) If Nemesis exists, its closest approach to the Sun intersects the outer edge of the Oort cloud. That's about a light year out. Therefore if Nemesis is currently approaching and knocking comets about gravitationally, it will take a LONG time before they get here.

2) Pluto is nowhere near the Oort cloud. It's about, what, two light _hours_ away?

The object might have passed already the Oort cloud. Clearly, I think it's needless to say no one can say for sure where it is exactly now. But it seems it already hurts pluto's orbit, which is not good news I'd assume.


"A brown dwarf sized 1.9Mj which is positioned right in "Sagittarius," and that is now disturbing the orbit of Pluto."

1.9 Jupiter Mass? Brown Dwarf? Yer shitting me right?

Another physicists !

Like someone already replied you, in some circumstances scientists basically found out that brown dwarf can be as small as 1 Jupiter mass. To a point some scientists wonder if Jupiter could have, or could eventually ignite also, and become a brown dwarf ( in the article it says a lot of brown dwarfs would be created exactly that way - from planet that has been thrown out of their system after igniting. )


But the Zeta's say it's already in the same orbit as Earth! So if this is Nibiru and it's in the samw orbit with earth, why is it causing these other effects now? Nibiru is 1600 years out, was here 2000 years ago.

First time I hear or read about that...? You're saying the it happened in the same time Jesus died basically .. ? I'd be curious to know where you got that.


So supposedly Wormwood is a star that itself orbits our sun and Nibiru is the only single planet that orbits it? Interesting, because if you check out these coordinates in google sky(13h 48m 0s -08 24' 25"), it DOES indeed look like something bright (a star?) with something (planet-turned-comet Nibiru?) leaving a fiery trail and orbiting it. Funny these same coordinates are blocked out in all different space viewing programs also(google sky, wwt, wikisky)

Glad to see your interested.

To me however, it looks really like many other stars ( unless your coords are wrong ? )

Many many coords have been given for the possible Nibiru. However the coords we are talking about here are 17:48:45, -27:10:00, and so far I think they are the ONLY one that are supported with facts ( the fact it can't be a supernova, the fact is is disturbing Pluto's orbit, the surge of events happening all over the Solar system, etc.. )

Enter those coords in Microsoft WorldWide Telescope, and you will find what we are all talking about here !

I tried it in Google Sky, but it doesn't show up at all.

I can't wait for all the deniers to
totally fucking lose it when this bad boy
aproaches.

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Unfortunately your right. Most people can't handle it, it's too much for them. Sadly, I found that out the hard way, that you can't force the facts to people for this, it's just too much.

Even my brother and my best friend doesn't give a sh*t about that really, they just don't get it, and everytime I tried to introduce them to it - it turns out they were even more closed to the idea afterwards.

Now, I learned that it's better to not talk about it with people we know(or not), it's better to let them come to us, once they begin to be "aware". Trying to push the facts just won't make any good to them, if they aren't ready to hear them.



For those who beleive in god, I read something interesting recently.

Some people thinks we all made a "covenant" with god before beginning this life. They think that we, of our own will, decided to live some challenges or not in this life ( handicap, parent loss, w/e )

They also pretend that in the same way, for those hard days to come, we actually chose if we want to get through it, or if we don't want to have to.

This could explain, just maybe, why it seems impossible to convince a lot of people. Those people that chose to not live through these hard times and help others to, just don't want to hear about it. It doesn't interest them because they can't conceive a such major changes in their life routines and in our world.

For those wondering, the person that wrote this, also mentionned that anytime in our lives, we can make again the covenant - and change our decision whether or not, we want to live through it, die before it, or die while it happen.



Thanks for all the nice posts.

I felt like sharing few things I've gathered, after reading some posts in this thread.



As to decide I'm a dumbass or not, is really your choice !


PS: sorry for my bad english

-Start of Quote-
For those who beleive in god, I read something interesting recently.

Some people thinks we all made a "covenant" with god before beginning this life. They think that we, of our own will, decided to live some challenges or not in this life ( handicap, parent loss, w/e )

They also pretend that in the same way, for those hard days to come, we actually chose if we want to get through it, or if we don't want to have to.

This could explain, just maybe, why it seems impossible to convince a lot of people. Those people that chose to not live through these hard times and help others to, just don't want to hear about it. It doesn't interest them because they can't conceive a such major changes in their life routines and in our world.

For those wondering, the person that wrote this, also mentionned that anytime in our lives, we can make again the covenant - and change our decision whether or not, we want to live through it, die before it, or die while it happen.
-End of Quote-

Life is just a game, or a drama. Well some would lose the game (be *sacrificed* in a shift), some others would continue playing the game.(survived a shift)

No matter what, everything happens for a reason.

Someones have to be sacrificed in order to let the game get going the way it has been designed to.

of course not, because no one said that Earth's orbit is perturbed in 22 degrees.

here is what was said,

the coordinates given were,
RA: 17h48m45s
Dec: -27:10:00
Alt: -25:51:13
Az: 102:49:28


If you look there with google sky you'll see very little.

The argument of starviewer goes beyond the usual check on google sky. It involves data from NASA and theoretical models from other sources.

Their conclusion comes from these data and models.

the mythos of jesus dying for your sins and giving you eternal life is also the same as reincarnation.

those who believe in death believe in pluto, the odd planet that's not quite a planet because so many people believe in the non-death.

your planets are your gods. jupiter, zeus, protects you.

the outer edge of our system is the oort cloud, where it's frozen, like the mythos of gnosticism. your Sol keeps pulling in things that want to annihilate.

voyager 1 & 2. SOS.



69 yin yang

6
9

hurricane. eye of the storm. balance.



go check out new order - blue monday, lyrics and the record code of the first vinyl single.

ABC, it's as easy as
123

search for that date code produced, find the link pointing to faqs.org.

the messages were everywhere if you knew how to look.

Great post AC 753568.

You did what the starviewer team asked us to do, read and think by yourself.

They are not suggesting that "maybe" Nibiru/the Sun companion, brown dwarf, is out there, they are categorically stating that "yes it is" and they are saying also that NASA is lying about what they know.

This thread (I mean, the information from the starviewer team) is the most solid evidence I know for the existence of PX so far.

I believe in the next months the events on solar system shall confirm or not their conclusion. But the discussion is open and I've seen no one here or in their blog site to prove that they are wrong.

BTW, your English is excellent.

I'm seriously researching the existence or not of PX and the material from starviewer blog is the best that I've found so far.

IMO zetatalk is not a serious source for research, in fact I have good reasons to believe that they are a disinformation agency.

But more and more it seems to me that PX is real and it's related with the interesting things that are happening on the solar system now.

Sorry to use Wikipedia but i like this picture

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

If they can find these then there would be no problem finding 'Planet X' if it existed.

This may help somebody without a closed mind to understand.It don't matter to me if you believe it or not.
[link to home.iae.nl]

here's a small excert from the link this was given
September 7, 1990

This Awareness indicates that the situation is that the Reptoids are already present on Earth in considerable numbers. There are, of course, the further numbers yet to come, when the timing is right for this action. This Awareness indicates that in a time as early as one decade ago, many of your scientist discovered a planetoid moving in the direction of the Earth, toward the solar system, and mention of this was made in several of your publications and news papers, then there was suddenly silence in regards to this phenomenon

This Awareness indicates that essentially, that planetoid has already arrived and is parked outside of the orbit of Pluto; that from that planetoid are shuttle craft that frequently move through the solar system, to and from Earth, using bases on the moon and Mars, also Titan, a moon of Saturn. This Awareness indicates that the Reptoids have this area already under their domain in a sense, in the sense that they direct the behavior and control over the Greys and the Greys have considerable influence over the leaders of many of the countries, the nations

This Awareness there is of course factions within your nation in which there is both support and conflict with the scenario of the aliens. There are many who want to prevent this alien take over of the planet and are working toward that end, while others are currying favor from the aliens in hopes that by compromising with them and licking their boots they will be spared any adverse treatment.

This Awareness indicates that the purpose of this discussion at this present time is to present a rough idea of the alien agenda, for there is a chance that this agenda will not be presented in the future, wherein certain of the government/alien control groups will present a different scenario to give a different impression of what is occurring. This Awareness wishes that you understand the agenda that is promoted before it becomes illegal to talk about any other agenda than that which becomes the official line, for this could occur in the future.

Shit !!!!!!! I was a believer of Px until that last post !!

... give it a rest bone head, she would never think of talking like that to you so why don't you show some respect for her. Can you even come close to having the guts and the stamina to exist the way she does for other people to be warned. Shame on you!

yes, except for the fact that most probably PX is NOT a planet.

People are talking about a planet, when this is not what we should be worried about.

It's (most probably) an EM field of some sort that is coming in our direction (from behind the Sun?)...

Factor in the anomalies on Jupiter and Venus this year as well, and things really start to look bad...

Nice link Danhow, thanks!

... This Awareness indicates that all that which appears to be matter, is in reality spirit, is mind, is consciousness moved into form. This Awareness indicates that at this time the great uplifting of humanity is occurring whereby entities move from matter into spirit.

This Awareness indicates that entities may soon begin to see that New Being appearing upon this earth which does make room for freedom for entities, which becomes a government of the people brought about by people's own inclination and desire to love one another, to respond to one another's needs, whereby the action of one entity in reference to another is to make space for that other to have expression, whereby each entity begins to make space for others, so that others may have space to make space for still others to come...

 Quoting: [link to home.iae.nl]

yes, have you seen the following vid?


If proved true, this would be the fourth collision in 3-4 months!!