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Is the new hole in Jupiter related to the regular x-ray signals discovered years ago coming from Jupiter?

 
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Is the new hole in Jupiter related to the regular x-ray signals discovered years ago coming from Jupiter?
In searching for images of the New Hole in Jupiter, I came across this site. I couldn't help but wonder - as it appears less likely with passing days that the hole is caused by an impact, maybe something from Jupiter itself has caused it! Maybe the 2 are related?

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

Puzzling X-Rays from Jupiter
Astronomers using the Chandra X-ray Observatory have spotted a mysterious pulsing x-ray beacon near the north pole of the giant planet.



March 7, 2002: Every 45 minutes a gigawatt pulse of x-rays courses through the solar system.

Astronomers are accustomed to such things. Distant pulsars and black holes often bathe the galaxy with blasts of x-radiation. But this time the source isn't exotic and far away.



It's right here in our own solar system.

"The pulses are coming from the north pole of Jupiter," says Randy Gladstone, a scientist at the Southwest Research Institute and leader of the team that made the discovery using NASA's orbiting Chandra X-ray Observatory. "We weren't surprised to find x-rays coming from Jupiter," he continued.

Other observatories had done that years ago. The surprise is what Chandra has revealed for the very first time: the location of the beacon -- surprisingly close the planet's pole -- and the regular way it pulses.

NASA's Einstein x-ray satellite first spotted Jupiter's x-ray glow in 1979. No one looked again for many years until researchers (Gladstone among them) pointed the German x-ray observatory ROSAT toward Jupiter in 1992. The glow was still there.

Scientists wondered ... what was it?

:Jupiter Pu:

The x-rays came mostly from Jupiter's northern hemisphere, but the Einstein and ROSAT maps weren't crisp enough to reveal exactly where. Some researchers figured they were seeing x-ray emissions from powerful auroras.


Above: Every 45 minutes an x-ray source blinks near Jupiter's north magnetic pole. This animation, based on data from the Chandra X-ray Observatory, shows the hot spot pulsing 15 times during one complete 10-hour rotation of the giant planet.



Above: NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft snapped this photo of an active volcano on Io. Ionized sulfur and oxygen from such volcanoes feed Jupiter's auroras.

(click to enlarge)
Indeed, says Gladstone, Jupiter has "Northern Lights" just as Earth does -- only on a different scale. Jupiter's auroras are hundreds to thousands of times more powerful than our planet's. Furthermore, the glowing rings around Jupiter's magnetic poles are twice the diameter of Earth itself!

Auroras happen on both worlds when electrons and ions rain down on the upper atmosphere. Such particles are guided by lines of magnetic force toward the poles where they slam into air molecules and cause them to glow.

An important difference between auroras on Earth and Jupiter concerns the source of the charged particles. On our planet, most of the raining electrons and ions come from the solar wind or from our planet's ionosphere.



On Jupiter, many of them come from volcanoes: hot belching vents on Jupiter's moon Io fill the giant planet's magnetosphere with ionized sulfur and oxygen. Ions from Io are accelerated by local electric fields toward Jupiter's auroral zone.


When Gladstone and colleagues trained the Chandra X-ray Observatory on Jupiter they expected to find the planet's northern x-rays coming from its giant auroral ring. After all, the auroral ring of our own planet is an x-ray source -- Jupiter's would likely be the same.

"We used Chandra's High Resolution Camera to image the planet during a 10 hour period on Dec. 18, 2000," says Ron Elsner, an x-ray astronomer at the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center who worked with Gladstone. "We hoped it would pinpoint the x-ray source better than earlier satellites had managed."

And indeed it did. But the new image was a surprise. Chandra revealed that most of the x-rays came from a hot spot located very close to Jupiter's north magnetic pole -- not from the auroral ring itself.



Furthermore, it pulsed!

"The 45-minute pulsations are very mysterious," adds Elsner.
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"Furthermore, it pulsed!"

Can you translate Pulsed into english please!
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"Furthermore, it pulsed!"

Can you translate Pulsed into english please!
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A pulse is like your heart beat! There is a regularity about it. This signal or x-ray flashes/pulses at regular intervals of 45mins! It would be interesting to know if this is still the same today or if it has changed.
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Didn't Velikovsky predict pulses eminating from Jupiter, and the entire scientific establishment branded him a nutjob?
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Didn't Velikovsky predict pulses eminating from Jupiter, and the entire scientific establishment branded him a nutjob?
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Don't know, maybe! scratching
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Impact pic of Shoemaker Levy

Shoemaker

Pic of new spot

:New spot:

They look totally different to me!
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"In July 1992 the orbit of Shoemaker-Levy 9 passed within Jupiter's Roche limit, and Jupiter's tidal forces acted to pull the comet apart. SL9 was later observed as a series of fragments ranging up to 2 km (1.2 mi) in diameter. These fragments collided with Jupiter's southern hemisphere between July 16 and July 22, 1994, at a speed of approximately 60 km/s (37 mi/s). The prominent scars from the impacts were more easily visible than the Great Red Spot and persisted for many months."
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Interesting timing! July 16 & 22

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I'd say no.
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I'd say no.
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To what?
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Did the Shoemaker Levy spots grow like this one?

:Jupiter 16:
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Did the Shoemaker Levy spots grow like this one?

:Jupiter 16:
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Does anyone have a link to a more recent picture or comparison?
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I'd say no.


To what?
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To the question in the topic.
The current black smudge seems to be resulting from an impact. The x-ray pulse has been observed longer. Why should they be related? All they have in common is that both have to do with jupiter, nothing else.
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I'd say no.


To what?


To the question in the topic.
The current black smudge seems to be resulting from an impact. The x-ray pulse has been observed longer. Why should they be related? All they have in common is that both have to do with jupiter, nothing else.
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Maybe but I am doubting this is from an impact! Apart from the obvious spot, there doesn't seem to be any other evidence for impact! This thing is also growing, did Shoemaker Levy grow like this?

Aurora 2

Notice it's position also relates to the images shown above!

Sure, I am not a scientist nor an astronomer, I am just posing a possibility.
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Out of curiousity didn't we send a probe into Jupiter about 5 years ago that everyone was afraid would ignite it because of it's radio active payload?

I'd be curious to know if the location of that impact is anywhere near the vicinity of this anomaly?
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I believe it was the Galileo Probe.
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Out of curiousity didn't we send a probe into Jupiter about 5 years ago that everyone was afraid would ignite it because of it's radio active payload?

I'd be curious to know if the location of that impact is anywhere near the vicinity of this anomaly?
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Interesting point.
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Out of curiousity didn't we send a probe into Jupiter about 5 years ago that everyone was afraid would ignite it because of it's radio active payload?

I'd be curious to know if the location of that impact is anywhere near the vicinity of this anomaly?



Interesting point.
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Seems it was away from Hubble’s view when it impacted, I am still trying to find scar pics but it's not looking good! Anyway, the supposed impact site was a long way away from this anomaly.
:Galileo en:

This is the site where they expected Galileo to hit!
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Out of curiousity didn't we send a probe into Jupiter about 5 years ago that everyone was afraid would ignite it because of it's radio active payload?

I'd be curious to know if the location of that impact is anywhere near the vicinity of this anomaly?



Interesting point.


Seems it was away from Hubble’s view when it impacted, I am still trying to find scar pics but it's not looking good! Anyway, the supposed impact site was a long way away from this anomaly.
:Galileo en:

This is the site where they expected Galileo to hit!
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Probably way too small for scar pics.
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Impact pic of Shoemaker Levy

:Shoemaker :

Pic of new spot

:New spot:

They look totally different to me!
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Right but that shoemaker levy pic you have up there is right after impact. That same hole also spread out exactly like the pic below it after a few days too. In fact all the SL9 impacts all expanded just like this new one is doing.
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Did the Shoemaker Levy spots grow like this one?

:Jupiter 16:
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Yes they did. There are quite a few pics of the spreading SL9 impact phenomena. That is why they predicted this one to expand out as well because they saw this same phenomena of spreading out happen to SL9. Of course it is doing exactly as predicted.
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Impact pic of Shoemaker Levy

Shoemaker

Pic of new spot

:New spot:

They look totally different to me!






Right but that shoemaker levy pic you have up there is right after impact. That same hole also spread out exactly like the pic below it after a few days too. In fact all the SL9 impacts all expanded just like this new one is doing.
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Can you point me to the pictures that support what you are saying?

Thanks - much appreciated!
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I'd say no.


To what?


To the question in the topic.
The current black smudge seems to be resulting from an impact. The x-ray pulse has been observed longer. Why should they be related? All they have in common is that both have to do with jupiter, nothing else.



Maybe but I am doubting this is from an impact! Apart from the obvious spot, there doesn't seem to be any other evidence for impact! This thing is also growing, did Shoemaker Levy grow like this?


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Spreading SL9 impacts:
[link to homeboyastronomy.com]

Spreading SL9 impacts
[link to www.facstaff.bucknell.edu]

There is just two examples.
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I'd say no.


To what?


To the question in the topic.
The current black smudge seems to be resulting from an impact. The x-ray pulse has been observed longer. Why should they be related? All they have in common is that both have to do with jupiter, nothing else.



Maybe but I am doubting this is from an impact! Apart from the obvious spot, there doesn't seem to be any other evidence for impact! This thing is also growing, did Shoemaker Levy grow like this?








Spreading SL9 impacts:
[link to homeboyastronomy.com]

Spreading SL9 impacts
[link to www.facstaff.bucknell.edu]

There is just two examples.
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Sorry, not good enough! Not only do you not have time stamps, but you are showing the images reversed!

The second image you present are the first impacts. The first image represents a rotation of Jupiter showing subsequent impacts. They are back the front! You should have the second one first!
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jupiter has skin cancer, who cares, just maple syrup and baking soda and she'll be right as rain imho.
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"Furthermore, it pulsed!"

Can you translate Pulsed into english please!
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You know, PULSE!

My shaft pulsed as she came closer!

PULSE!
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"Furthermore, it pulsed!"

Can you translate Pulsed into english please!


You know, PULSE!

My shaft pulsed as she came closer!

PULSE!
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Impact pic of Shoemaker Levy

:Shoemaker :

Pic of new spot

:New spot:

They look totally different to me!
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Agree!
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I did a little bit of work. Here is the original discovery image of our new impact at the south pole. Note the feature i have pointed out in the second image:

[link to farm3.static.flickr.com]

[link to farm3.static.flickr.com]

this next image is a hubble image from jpl website which i have blown up. It shows the exact same feature as pointed out in our new impact:

[link to farm3.static.flickr.com]

[link to farm4.static.flickr.com]
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some craft frm NIBIR piercing the asteroid belt with atomics ...


THINK ABOUT IT...

(Hail ALAMU!!!)
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HA,HA,HA,HA JUPITER DOESN'T EXIST!!!


JUPITER
orbit:778,330,000 km (5.20 AU)from Sun
diameter: 142,984 km
[link to www.nineplanets.org]


EARTH
orbit:149,600,000 km (1.00 AU) from Sun
diameter: 12,756.3 km
[link to www.nineplanets.org]


Magnetic field

"Like Earth and many other planets, Jupiter acts like a giant magnet. The force of its magnetism extends far into space in a region surrounding the planet called its magnetic field. Jupiter's magnetic field is about 14 times as strong as Earth's, according to measurements made by spacecraft. Jupiter's magnetic field is the strongest in the solar system, except for fields associated with sunspots and other small regions on the sun's surface."
[link to www.nasa.gov]

Jupiter has 14 times the magnetic pull then that of Earth, but is only 5 times further, hence, 9 times stronger then the magnetic North pole, thereby, your compass needle would point towards Jupiter.


"The cause of Earth's magnetic field is not known for certain, but is possibly explained by the dynamo theory. The magnetic field extends several tens of thousands of kilometers into space."
[link to en.wikibooks.org]

Therefore if I'm standing 100 miles (Y) from the magnetic pole (X), my compass points towards it, when I move 200 miles from the magnetic pole (2Y) my compass still points towards it because distance doesn't affect it, therewith, if Jupiter EXISTED my compass would point towards its magnetic field because its bigger and stronger then Earth's.


"The movements in the liquid part of the Earth’s core are changing surprisingly quickly, and this affects the Earth’s magnetic field, according to new research from DTU Space."
[link to www.sciencedaily.com]

With the aforementioned no matter WHERE you stand on round spherical Earth its magnetic field would be constantly beneath you if the core/center was the reason for Earth’s magnetic field. Then with this reasoning my compass would not just point to the ground when I'd be in close proximity of the North magnetic pole but also anywhere else on the round spherical Earth, because anywhere you stand on a round spherical Earth the distance to the core/center is the same. STANDING on the Equator my COMPASS will point likewise into the GROUND.

[link to martianchronicles.files.wordpress.com]

Earth is flat, and when you are in close range of the center your compass needle points to the ground, anywhere else around the Flat earth the compass needle points at the center of the Earth.

[link to www.lhup.edu]
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No seriously the mark on Jupiter is nothing its being made into more than it is.
It will fade away like the last one from Levy 9.





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