DEEEP introduction to Kaballah - Not the trendy BS

You miss the point completely.

Man was Created 'by and in the image of God'--that is, with a non-dualistic consciousness. This is what Jesus and the Revelations are referring to. (Also in the Gospel of Thomas: "On the day when you were one, you became two.")

But, then, there was "the Fall" into the dualistic consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker'.

But there is a further clarification in the reply of Jesus to the Sadducees with regards to the definition of the term "sons of God".

Jesus says that "the children of the resurrection are the sons of God"; meaning that those who have received the Revelation of the Memory of Creation and the revelation of the memories of previous lives are the "sons of God".

So, it is important to understand that there is a non-dualistic dimension of consciousness, as well as the dualistic dimensions of the "self" and the 'thinker'.

In other words, it is not as simple as you would hope.

Michael

P.S. Michael...you really crack me up. You think I am ignorant and you are the one with unsubstantiated visions. Thanks for your definition of ignorance. (But as a god, you should know that it will take a lot more than that to offend me. lol. Or should I say, "Father, please forgive him, he knows not..."

Oh, by the way, since you are familiar with the Dead Sea Scrolls, then you know that with them comes the Book of Enoch and the Book of the Giants which stories can also be verified in the Sumerian texts. The original Hebrews still have the Book of Enoch as one of their ancient texts as mentioned in the New Testament.

At the very least, Michael I can say that you keep things very very interesting.. You're alright with me...I like a person who sticks to their guns!

I still believe God needs to get in
the 21st century with his scriptures...

Genesis is based upon Moses having received what was referred to as the "Tree of Life".

The Revelation of John conveys the Knowledge Revealed through the Vision of the "Son of man", which is the same Vision as the "Tree of life".

In other words, the Knowledge conveyed in the Revelation of John is similar to the Knowledge conveyed in Genesis.

Look at the correspondences, for example, between Chapter 12, verse 9 of the Revelation of John and Chapter 3 of Genesis.

In Genesis, the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" is equivalent to the "beast of the sea" consciousness of the "self" in the Revelation of John; while the "fig leaves" in Chapter 3 of Genesis are similar to the thoughts of the "beast of the earth" consciousness of the 'thinker' in the Revelation of John, as cryptically referred to in Saying #37 in the Gospel of Thomas.

Both the consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker' are dualistic and self-created--that is, NOT Created by God--because they pertain to the space-time reality.

The non-dualistic consciousness was Created by God prior to the existence of the space-time reality.

Michael

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The Visions I have received are not at all unsubstantiated.

They are the basis of Towards A New Paradigm of Consciousness:

[link to science-of-consciousness.blogspot.com]

In the mean time, the Vision of the "Son of man" and the "Vision of Knowledge" are referred to in 1Enoch (there are several books of Enoch: 1Enoch, 2Enoch and Enoch 3, maybe) as the "Vision of Wisdom".

And there is even a book entitled Did Jesus Write This Book? which all but insists that the Book of Enoch was written by Jesus.

Maybe so.

Michael

I don’t fear Satan (the serpent),
He can no longer do me any harm.
I just feel sorry for you.
Quoting scripture out of context is meaningless.
The only thing that is clear is how full of yourself you are.
But that’s a characteristic of those beguiled by the Devil.

'Sticking to my guns' is not really the issue here.

The issue here is that the universal denial and contradiction of the Knowledge Revealed through the Vision of the "Son of man" and the Revelation of "the resurrection" by EVERY Jewish, Christian and Muslim religious 'authority' on the face of this planet is going to lead to the overwhelming horrors of the "time of trouble" Prophesied by Daniel; a Vision of which I received in January, 1975.

I am not engaging in these arguments merely to prove a point or for reasons of ego gratification.

The purpose of this entire argument is to diminish the bloodshed of the "time of trouble".

I define success as "not giving up".

Michael

Okay...lets do this...

Jesus was not figuratively speaking. As a matter fact, the Jews were about the stone him for teaching people that they were gods, yes? They called it blasphemy. So, to legitimize his truth, he quoted from the Old testament. They could not stone him for words coming from their own books.

Now, the Sons of God (Hebrew) versus the Sons of God (GreeK). As I mentioned earlier, the Sons of God in the Old Testament referred to the Elohim, where it was a plural form of God and also meant "children of the gods". So the Hebrew heritage was not only in name but in blood. They were considered to be the legitimate children of the Most High.

The Hebrews were so down trodden by the time Jesus arrived on the scene he had to remind them who they were. In the midst of having their history stolen from them, they had forgotten.

Then, he extended the invitation to all mankind to become the Sons of God- to be adopted under the order of Melchizedek. Remember in the Old Testament the world was divided by the Sons of Man and the Sons of God. In the New Testament, he was like, "let's let everybody have the opportunity of resurrection and eternal life." And remember also, that in Egypt that was all the rage - the opportunity for resurrection. Talking about obsession!

(Did you know the scripture speaks to two forms of resurrection? One - when you die, you have almost immediate resurrection according to Paul but then there is also the second coming of Christ when his own will be resurrected. Not only does the Sumerian texts discuss this matter, so does the book of Urantia.)

Now for consciousness. I too am a Carl Jung fan. I am in the midst now of ordering the Red Book (even though I wont be able to read it).

What is consciousness? It is certainly not created by the brain which is basically a piece of meat. Quantum physicists have come to acknowledge the "field" from which man pulls his thoughts or which thoughts he attract are streamed to him. Carl Jung called this the collective unconscious. He was way before his time.

Now, is consciousness the soul? or is consciousness the way by which the soul is educated and develops self awareness through the physical body therefore becoming the link. The soul of man is but in it's infancy, no matter how long you live here. Or how many times- if you believe that sort of thing.

It takes millennias to develop a mature soul. The physical body just offers a temporary place of development. Religion offers guidelines or options to help the soul develop properly. If you cant get along here, how in the world are you going to get along with the cosmos. Unless of course you think we are the only ones. If so, I will leave you to massage that delusion. (I think Kaballah is about the development of consciousness and the soul)

But at any rate, the consciousness isn't all that complicated or mysterious unless you have not picked up a science book in the last 10 years. Regarding the duality of the consciousness....still not agreeing.

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Why thank you. Your lack of understanding should be more of a concern, so don/t waste your time feeling sorry for anybody. It was not out of context - that was a direct quote from the KJV Bible. I just took it directly at its word.

Hope you are not a preacher....because that sounds exactly like a response a person who lacks knowledge would say. My people perish for lack of knowledge but it seems you are so standardized by tradition that you are scared to see. It is a common ailment of Christians....Micheal is unafraid to seek truth - I can also say that although I don't agree with him and I tease him, it is a characteristic to be admired.

Last summer, I ran across a card game created by the Illuminate in 1995. The strange thing was that these cards predicted the loss of the twin towers, the bombing of the Pentagon, the oil spill and more. But two cards really got me more than those (which was quite alarming). One card showed a church. And surrounding the church were alien space crafts and the caption said "they will see it and still wont believe." Most Christians would rather bury their heads in the sand than part from tradition. (It is easy to control traditional Christians as they have no new thoughts of their own. Every new thought is shot with double barrels right between the eyes? Yes?)

The next card had The Book of Kells (the four gospels,a national treasure as it was created by Celtic Monks) which read "this powerful grimoire increases the regular and Global power of the Illuminati owner."

All I am saying, my angry accuser, is to be careful. And it is people like me who keep you sharp even if I am full of it. But I guarantee you, if you knew me, you'd like me - so not offended. You forget...I am a god...Father forgive him, he knows not.. (smile)

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What, What? You go, boy! And not to belittle your rampage, but just as you "believe" in a vision that was given, it would seem, only to you, then please, exercise the same courtesy to the people here to express belief in Kaballah. Just as you want to express your thoughts of your vision, the starter of this thread feels compelled to express their beliefs.

Well, it's evening here. Goodnight everyone. I am a FX trader by day and this has certainly kept me occupied between trades. It was thought provoking!

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The name Adam for the true kabbalist...

All Divine All Man... The Whole Image Of GOD...

O DM... One Delivered Man... By GOD in his Image...

ADAM... Abba Delivers All Men... That Dwell On Holy Grounds...

By The Laws Of The Land... Love Always Works Spiritually It penetrates all bearers and it rams directly into one's heart as they realize what's before them...

The Man... Meet Abba Now...

sorry if this is an ignorant question but what is the Revelation of the Memory of Creation? Did jesus read it or was it written after he died?

When was the gospel of Thomas written? Did Jesus read that?

To Daath-

I’m angry?
Well – whatever. Maybe . A lot of things about this world piss me off.

Everything you quoted was indeed out of context – but it doesn’t matter. You can twist things to mean anything you want.
It’s pointless to argue.
I used to be like you, but I really wanted to believe in God.
I put away the dark arts, and one day I had a heart to heart talk to God and he showed me what the Holy Spirit was all about.
Nobody was more surprised than me – I was a doubting Thomas.
I thank Jesus that he cared enough to show me his wounds.

Yes – I’ve seen those cards.
Do you think they were divinely inspired?
I think someone with inside knowledge crafted them.
It’s been a plan in progress since Satan was cast down. He is the lord of this world. The 9/11 towers were created to fall.
Some say The Catholic Church is preparing to introduce the Aliens to us.
This will usher in the NWO and the anti-Christ.
Maybe you will believe they are ETs.
I will believe they are from another dimension and somehow learned how to bridge the gap.
That’s what the Kabbalah is really all about you know – calling down the spirits and making them manifest.
If they cannot say Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, then I will believe they are demonic.

What do you mean be careful?
Are you threatening me?
Even if you kill me I will be with my Lord so why should I fear?
Revelations tells us that in the last days Christians will be persecuted and killed. It's already happening in the middle east - our leaders/media say nothing - that means they approve.
I have no doubt that in the NWO– those that believe in Jesus Christ will indeed be hunted and slaughtered. The Bible says beheaded.
I have no doubt.
I only hope that if that is my fate I’m brave enough to die for Jesus just as he died for me ……and you.
I know I would rather die than denounce him.

Well it’s been nice chatting with you
Good luck Daath.

Are you crazy? Do you think yourself important enough for me to find you, nevertheless even hurt you? Think I will spend even a second incarcerated for you? Who's full of themselves now?

Just because I dont believe in you, doesnt mean I dont believe in God and just because I dont hold your beliefs doesnt mean I deal in the dark arts. Just because I hold more knowledge than you doesnt mean that everything I say is out of context - APPARENTLY IT IS BEYOND YOUR COMPREHENSION! Dont worry, from now on I'll use small words and short phrases.

You claim to have been like me, then you will see the travesty of religion. Religion has nothing to do with Christ. And regarding the NWO - if God is for you - who can stand against you. You martyrs are ridiculous. You say you have faith but you have none! You say you have the fruits of the Spirit but clearly in this forum, your forgot where you placed them.

How can you speak against the Catholic Church, when you are Catholic. If you know anything about their history they pride themselves on changing the time and laws of Jesus (You must know that they changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday almost 20 years after His death! Apparently, that was the only one of the 10 commandments worthy enough to be nailed to the cross-years later. And if you are still worshiping according to those changes, you are a Protestant Catholic.)

So why would the Catholics persecute you, you are already Catholic! Duh! And from what I understand, the mark of the beast is 666 - 6 neutrons, 6 protons 6 electrons = carbon-12. That is man. You are the beast. What are you going to do - throw your own self on the stakes?

You have not studied for yourself so the only thing you are prepared to tell me is that I am taking things out of context. If you die, are you sure that you will be with your Lord? Have you checked all of your rules lately? Your chances are slim to none - if you are to be perfect. And as the beast, you've got a long way to go.... ok-just kidding about that.

But dude....lighten up! Jeez!


And P.S. Just to make you really squirm I will say this and I say with all sincerity - Christ did not have to die for me, He died for the Sons of Man of which I am not. I am a Son of God. Already got my ticket. No worries mon!

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So the Kabbalahists can believe that God has "Ten Manifestations", but can't believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

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Jesus told us that we would be able to discern a tree by its fruit, that we could know what is good and what is evil by what kind of 'fruit' is produced.

From Kabballah we get the likes of Karl Marx and Communism, which worked well together with the other main occultic practice of Marx's day, the Masons. Marx was in contact with high-ranking Masons of his time. From Communism we have seen brutality, murder of MILLIONS, imprisonment, atheism, godlessness, and evil.

Today we see Kabballah and other Babylonain teachings behind the de-moralizing our society, and the rise in our society of crime, sexual sin, and general decay of society itself.

Therefore, the 'fruit' of the Kabballah is evil, and so it is evil.

It is not from God.

If the U.S. had not fallen for this Satanic crap, we would still be a nation blessed by God, of grace and plenty. But, since we have sold out to evil, we are now a cursed nation, in debt, and enslaved by those who hate us. Our cities rotting from within, our young people on drugs and living immoral lives, our soldiers dying for other nations' wars.

Really...you are going there? Knowing that Christians are the greatest terrorist in History? Forgot the crusades did you? Oh...and lets not talk about the molestation of little choir boys,,,

Oh... And Pope Martin the 5th! That is just history... do you want me to start listing recent? Jim Jones, the Davidians...come on Glass House...really?

How about this rephrase - If the US had not stolen this land from the natives.... Or how about if the US had not murdered millions of slaves in the slave trade....how about if the United States Fore Fathers werent masons...

Oh...I love the US! Go red, white and blue!

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Yes hun, someone has got to "go there" so I might as well do it.

From the time the Bolshevicks got into power in Russia, in what, 1917, up until this very day, less than 100 years total, Communism has murdered more than the Inquisition, the Crusades, and Hitler combined. Quite a feat. And it's still not finished.

And its originator, most of it's main players, all trace back to the Babylonian Occults.

There is still time to "come out of her" and be cleansed and saved.

However, looking around at all the "signs of the times", there isn't much time left at this point.

Well, you still do not understand what the Vision is all about.

And you still don't understand about the process of Revelation.

A person does not "believe" in the Vision.

Moses did not "believe" he was Created by God; he received an actual Memory of the Creation.

That is, there is a difference between Knowledge and belief.

The Vision consists of a time-reversal prior to both the 'fallen' consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker'; thus, it cannot be believed. It is received or experienced.

If you touch a hot stove, you do not believe that you have burned your hand. You experience that burning.

Same goes for the Vision.

It is an experience of the non-dualistic consciousness.

Now, there is much in the Kabbalist literature which, for me, is not a belief at all. It is an actual description of the receiving of the Revelations. It exists at the level of Knowledge. Much of it, at this point, is merely "quaint" or outdated information; so, the problem is believing in that outdated information when much better information is available.

Now, it is almost impossible for the consciousness of the 'thinker' to believe that someone has received Knowledge through Revelation. Such an assertion is a lethal threat to its entire conception of what reality is all about.

That is even before it is informed of the details of that Revealed Knowledge.

Michael

(Sigh)

Your lack of understanding of what is involved here is downright breath-taking.

Sometimes I wonder if I am talking to a 20 year old.

Agreement exists at the level of the consciousness of the 'thinker'.

That is not what is involved here.

What is involved here is not agreement or disagreement, but whether you see or you do notsee (Nazi) what I am saying.

Take, for example, the three states of water: ice, water and steam.

That they exist is not any belief; rather, it is something that can be observed.

Now, maybe someone on a Pacific island around the equator has only seen water and steam and has never seen ice because the temperature it too high. He has never seen "solid water", so he concludes that it does not exist.

This is a situation of the blind leading the blind: People who have never received a Revelation and who have no Knowledge of Revelation leading people who could not recognize a Revelation, who could not differentiate a Revelation from a thought of a 'thinker' if their very lives depended upon it; which they do.

Clearly, you have no experience of the "observing consciousness" which is capable of observing both the consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker' from an altogether different 'frame of reference' in terms of consciousness.

And, if you had such experience, you would be able to observe the dualities directly. But all you can do is 'think' about the dualities; thought itself being dualistic; the result being that you see nothing. In other words, you are looking through red lenses at something that is already red.

It is pointless for me to talk about something of which you have no first hand experience. And it seems you have no interest in reading what I have written: Toward A New Paradigm of Consciousness.

So, I would suggest you read some of the writings of J. Krishnamurti to at least get your feet wet in terms of understanding the perspective of the "observing consciousness".

It may take many lifetimes for you to acquaint yourself with such a perspective. But there is no time like today to at least begin.

Michael

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Chapter 2, verse 7 of Genesis is not poetry or an idea of a consciousness of a 'thinker'. It is an actual description of the Memory of being Created by God. That Memory occurs in real time, in the present, rather than being looked upon as having happened in the past.

But that Memory Reveals Knowledge of the consciousness of man at the moment of Creation, the nature of the relationship between the Creator and the created, and 'the Fall' into the dualistic consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker.

And it is on the basis of that Revelation of Knowledge that the doctrines of Paul are recognized as being doctrines of Satan opposed to the Teaching of Jesus.

Doubt Jesus ever read the Gospel of Thomas.

But it is an authentic representation of his Teaching, as is the Gospel of Truth.

The Thanksgiving Hymns of the Dead Sea Scrolls, on the other hand, were actually written by Jesus.

Michael

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The Thanksgiving Hymns of the Dead Sea Scrolls, on the other hand, were actually written by Jesus.


Where you get that , your imagination

JESUS IN NOT MENTIONED ONCE IN THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS

NOT ONCE

??????????????????????????????????????

I'm going to state the obvious, and ask:

What happened to this thread? It seems to have spiraled in an interesting direction; albeit, one I can't grasp.

I have read many varying interpretations of Kabbalah on this thread, and I am thankful for the differing perspectives. Kabbalah Iyyunit was the way for me.

The laws of the Torah , its code of physical and spiritual ethics go hand in hand with Kaballah

One who does not follow the "way" in not "really"
involved in Kaballah. Then even the Names of God fail to yield their spirit through such a soul.

MADONNA OBVIOUSLY IS NOT FOLLOWING THE "WAY" TAUGHT BY THE GREAT KABBALISTS

WTF ??????????

This is a conclusion based upon more than 30 years of research on the Thanksgiving Hymns.

Do you have any acquaintance whatsoever with the research that has been done on that document?

There are two specific Revelations cryptically alluded to in the Hymns: 1) the "Vision of Knowledge" , which refers to the Vision of the "Son of man"; and, 2) "the Way of Thy heart", which refers to the Revelation of the Memory of Creation and the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

These are the two Revelations which were opposed by the Jewish priesthood in Jerusalem.

There are only two remotely possible authors of the Hymns: Jesus and John the Baptist; but there are significant reasons why John the Baptist could not have written the Hymns, as explained by Jesus in the Gospels.

In any case, read the Hymns for yourself.

Michael

Iyyunit


Thats right go deep till you hear , then you will SEE !

Although I understand the gist of what is intended here, the language still reeks of the dualistic consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker'.

It is time for this duality to be addressed directly and resolved; which would establish a connection with the Eastern esoteric traditions.

The term "God is bigger" and the term "contraction" and that God "removed Himself from the world" (this is a blasphemy because it implies the Creator is dualistic) relies on the concept of spatiality; in other words the 'fallen' consciousness of the "self".

As I have written elsewhere, little can be said about the Creator. What can be said is that the consciousness with which man was Created by God is a non-dualistic consciousness; more specifically, a 2-dimensional 'flat' space consciousness, out of which 'the fallen' consciousness (of the "self") emerged as a 3-dimensional 'curved' spatiality of consciousness, extended in time by the consciousness of the 'thinker'.

In addition, the term "Tzimtzum" needs to be translated into something that is more tangible: the 'movement' of self-reflection (symbolized by "the serpent" in Genesis and the "great dragon" in the Revelation of John), which is the origin of the 'fallen' consciousness of the "self", in order for it to be of any practical use.

Michael

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I have seen (and heard--all physical senses, translated through spiritual), but even what I saw could never be described in words, absolutely indescribable, words are pale--only a desire to be closer, the yearning, and great wish to bring that into this troubled world, even in the smallest way. It is humbling, it made me want to be humble, and remember my place. I am so thankful for what I have seen, I only wish everyone could. My very best wishes to you.

I agree with the first statement.

I agree with the second statement.

But don't you see that the third statement denies or contradicts the second statement?

This is a serious problem.

The consciousness Created by God is neither a spatial nor a temporal consciousness; which does not mean that it is infinite in space and time; only that it cannot be described in such terms any more than it can be described as having a color, a texture, or a smell.

The "self" was not Created by God. It was self-created by means of the 'movement' of self-reflection.

Similarly, the consciousness of the 'thinker' 'thinks' itself or 'postulates' itself into existence rather than having been Created by God.

So, to return to that non-dualistic consciousness, one must step outside of and prior to the dualistic consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker'.

Michael

Of what practical use is such a statement?

If it is held as a thought, whose roots are in duality, it can only interfere with the direct observation of reality.

Feeding the "beast of the earth" consciousness of the 'thinker' with more thoughts only makes it ravenous for more thoughts. It is a beast, after all.

The non-dualistic consciousness, on the other hand, is an "observing consciousness"; a more detailed explanation of which can be found in the writings of J. Krishnamurti and the writings of the Eastern esoteric traditions.

Michael