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USPS VP Reveals Details Of 5-Day Delivery Week Before House Of Representatives

 
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This morning, Jordan M. Small, a upper-echelon officer of the USPS [Acting VP, Network Operations] addressed the Subcommittee on Federal Workforce, Postal Service and the District of Columbia, et al in Washington D.C.

In those remarks, Small outlined what is on the immediate horizon for the USPS and your mail delivery. Since his remarks ran to nearly five pages of text, I'll summarise:

-Of the projected 3,200 branches/stations that the USPS wanted to close/consolidate fewer than 1,000 have warranted further consideration. It is realistic to expect at least 700 of our stations to be ultimately affected. HQ has NOT come up with a number on exactly how many they want to close. They are leaving suggestions up to field employees [Postmasters and Station Managers] as to which station closures would impact their communities the most/least.

-The postal service is NOT assuming that mail volumes will automatically return to previous levels once the economy improves. This leaves the door open for further service reductions, should they become necessary.

-Community outreach meetings will be held after the end of FY09 on September 30th [actually, some meetings are already being held in some cities] asking for public opinion of probable impact of a neighborhood station closure. When this study is complete, the USPS will share the results with our customers, mailers, the American public, and Members of Congress. I would expect this process to take a minimum of 90 days but since the savings will be immediate the entire procedure may be speeded up.

-HQ is proposing that SATURDAY be the day of non-delivery but that Post Offices would still be open on Saturday to serve the public [you will still be able to stroll in and buy stamps and conduct other business], and Post Office boxes would receive mail delivery on Saturday. Customers will also have our usps.com website and access through our Automated Postal Centers for 24-hr service. Saturday Delivery of Express Mail is expected to continue.

I'm posting this not only for my postal brothers/sisters but also for YOU - the general public, because you all have a right to know what may be coming up. I began posting dialogue concerning a five-day delivery week nearly 18 months ago on this forum and pledge to continue to provide honest, accurate information as it becomes available to me personally.

I'm sure there will be the usual cranks who will post here and gripe about every single little thing the USPS has ever screwed up in their entire lives, and that's okay. We've heard it all before, but most people understand that the majority of USPS employees will try to get your mail to you as quickly and efficiently as possible. It's just going to be alot tougher in the near future.
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You got a credible link for this info?
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Try this one:

[link to www.usps.com]

OOPS! Sorry... you don't have acccess to that one... try this-

GOOGLE: Jordan M. Small - there should be a link to today's remarks there.

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as long as all postal employees top to bottom and retirees take a 16 % paycut effective immediately. i see no problem with this 6 days work for 6 days pay 5 days work = paycut )
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I just checked, and the full text of Small's address is the third link listed when you GOOGLE his name.

Hope this helps.

BTW: the first 3 pages are a boring litany of how we've tried to save money during the past quarter [we really HAVE pinched ALOT of pennies, folks!] - you'll find the meat of his comments on page five...

681616: luckily, cooler heads than your own will likely prevail in the final decision.

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first thing they should do is increase the postage rate on bulk mail to that of standard mail. They can make news publications like newspapers exempt if they want.

It would save hundreds of trees and free us from the uselessness of bulk mail.

Heck, they should raise the price of a stamp to a dollar. This would severely limit junk mail from credit card companies and banks while not effecting the average joe that much... who mails stuff anymore?
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I'll tell you the same thing our employees are told when they make suggestions such as yours: '...it's already being considered...'

This is the standard reply our rank/file get whenever they try to submit an Idea Proposal to improve service. Several years ago, employees were not only encouraged to give us their ideas, they were rewarded with cash bonuses. And, yes: some of those bonuses were in the $50,000 range, depending on how well-placed you were [who you know and all that! I received a couple, myself! But I only got hundreds... NOT thousands!! LOL!] - and, some of those well-rewarded ideas weren't even around long enough to pay for themselves. I could cite a specific recent example that would ring true to virtually all postal workers that we still shake our heads over!

It involved a common piece of equipment that was "improved" but proved unworkable when used in the feild... and we manufactured over 500,000 of these babies! They lasted 6 weeks in actual operation before we went back to our old pieces... but, by then, the Manager who made the suggestion had already cashed his check! The new units were sold for salvage and we chalked it up to bad judgement and lack of foresight.

Truth is, we HAVE to consider every option these days because our situation is pretty grim.

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... who mails stuff anymore?
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It's still a HELL OF A LOT cheaper that paying the $12.50 online transaction fee for Citifinancial.
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THANK YOU for that!
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5day delivery sound good to me.
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It really is the most expedient method of remaining solvent while impacting our customers the least. Especially when we've literally begged Congress for a swift passage to HR22 [which would've freed billions in banked money we could use for immediate operating expenses] - something they have yet to do and are unlikely to address before this weeks adjornment [although it finally HAS passed the House]. Here's how urgent HR22 is: just last week, all four postal union Presidents co-wrote a letter to the White House, asking President Obama to personally intervene and get Congress to act. Folks: you just don't get TWO union Presidents to agree on something, let alone FOUR!

The five-day delivery week will cut our operating costs dramatically and immediately. And, now that fuel is on the rise again, our savings will be even greater.

There will be downsides, of course. Whenever ANY business tweaks the way it operates there are going to be consequences. You -our customers- have already noticed that you're getting your mail at very different times than you have in the past. That's due to the carrier route adjustments we've been undertaking nationwide to eliminate excess waste of valuable time/money. Trimming the fat, if you will. And, this is going to continue for quite sometime until all possible avenues have been exhausted [no pun intended!].

Amazingly: when I first posted this possibility about 1-1/2 years ago [here on GLP] the public stated strongly that a five-day delivery week wouldn't bother them in the least. Guess what? Washington was listening this time. It just takes awhile for the wheels of government to shift gears!

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twice a week would suit me just fine, i might actually look forward to going to the mailbox
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The local post office isn't open on Saturday, only 9-5, Monday thru Friday.

I'm tired of my new mailman. He shows up whenever & my last mailman, he was here at a time I could count on except Monday, when he would be later.
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M - F or what?
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738443:
You've mentioned this same complaint in other threads I've posted concerning the USPS and I've addressed it before as I spoke above regarding route adjustments. Perhaps it would be good to reread them. I want you to understand WHY you're getting your mail at a different time.

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alien11<--- my last mailman
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My mailman drives by and puts the mail in the box by the road.

I have dogs in a yard with a chainlink fence.

The mailman called the police because the dogs were barking when he delivers the mail, and refused to deliver until i put extra wire (concentration camp style).

The less the feds come by the house the better. Twice a month would be great.
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One less day a week of getting a mailbox full of pizza coupons banana2
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... who mails stuff anymore?


It's still a HELL OF A LOT cheaper that paying the $12.50 online transaction fee for Citifinancial.
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that is damn steep
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Personally I think that every home in the states should get 2 day per week mail delivery for free. If they wanted more days per week, they could pay for extra service. Say 20/mo for 5 days per week/ or 15 for four days per week.

Some old fart that doesn't get anything but dividend checks is not in a hurry to open them. On the other hand some people need that mail every day. Let the customer decide and then pay for anything beyond "standard" delivery frequency.
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738443:
You've mentioned this same complaint in other threads I've posted concerning the USPS and I've addressed it before as I spoke above regarding route adjustments. Perhaps it would be good to reread them. I want you to understand WHY you're getting your mail at a different time.
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I've read them BUT you need to understand that we run a business from our home & I count on prompt mail delivery. As soon as the mail gets here, I look at it & if anything needs to be done that I see in the mail, I go do it. If it arrives after 5 pm, which has happened a lot lately, then many places are closed & I've wasted my day waiting for the postal service to take its sweet time getting here.

Why don't they notify the customers that routes are changing & so will delivery times? Nothing has been said on MSM or the local papers.
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Mopar28m:

Actually: The USPS printed out millions of postcards that were delivered to each and every one of our customers stating that 1. route adjustments were underway and 2. that people should expect their mail delivery to occur at a different time. These cards were delivered last MARCH. Typically, many of our customers either didn't see them or they spent all of 1 second looking at them before tossing them into the trash and forgetting everything they read. These could also be the same people who claim we NEVER knock on their doors to deliver a parcel or accountable mail, or who wait until noon on April 15 to start doing their taxes... but, that sort of wild claim cannot be proven! The brutal truth is that most people do NOT pay attention until it's too late and they're left empty-handed. Procrastination takes no prisoners!

If you DIDN'T get a postcard, then we certainly screwed up; in any event, at least GLP'ers WILL know because I'll make it a point to advise you all of anything that will impact the service we have sworn to give you. Fair enough?

I'd suggest you rent a small Post Office box. Your mail will normally be placed therein by about 9:30 in the morning and you could schedule your day accordingly. For example, if you use our Click-N-Ship service with your business, you could mail your previous day's parcels and pick up your new orders in a POB when you come into our station. Many of our Ebay customers do this and it works quite well. Further: when we DO move to a five-day workweek, P.O. boxes will still get mail delivery on Saturdays so this would be a win/win situation for you, Mopar. You must be in a pretty small town if your local station is already closed on Saturdays. BTW: yours COULD very well be one of those towns where a station WILL close... many small rural communites are being consolidated and serviced by a larger Post Office in the nearest larger town.

As I mentoned above, out of a possible 3,200 stations, fewer than 1,000 are expected to go on the chopping block. I'd expect somewhere around 700 to actually cease operations. Here's hoping yours isn't one of them!

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Why don't they just deliver Tues-Sat. Who the fuck needs bills on Mondays anyways.
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Saturday non-delivery was chosen mainly to minimize the impact on businesses, many of which are closed that day. However, our stations will remain open during part of the day on Saturday to conduct normal walk-in transactions.

NOTE: if your local USPS station is open later than NOON on a Saturday I would expect that to change, even before the official curtailment of Saturday delivery takes effect.

Please understand that there are a ka-zillion details to work out before we can undertake such a change in our operations; eventually, it will impact each and every one of our 670,000 employees [including myself]. And with that many details, I'd realistically expect just as many mistakes! RIGHT??? After all: we ARE a governmental agency! But, please bear with us and know that we won't desert you... or, your mail.

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I don't see what's the big deal, other than the monolithic quasi-private USPS is adjusting to the market demands that are reflected by their competitors, BROWN & FedEx, who don't run regular deliveries on weekends (unless you pay a hefty premium, which comes in handy when you're jonesing for your chronic delivery).
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5 days a week will screw up my perfectly timed Netflix cycle.
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The local post office isn't open on Saturday, only 9-5, Monday thru Friday.

I'm tired of my new mailman. He shows up whenever & my last mailman, he was here at a time I could count on except Monday, when he would be later.
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738443:
You've mentioned this same complaint in other threads I've posted concerning the USPS and I've addressed it before as I spoke above regarding route adjustments. Perhaps it would be good to reread them. I want you to understand WHY you're getting your mail at a different time.


I've read them BUT you need to understand that we run a business from our home & I count on prompt mail delivery. As soon as the mail gets here, I look at it & if anything needs to be done that I see in the mail, I go do it. If it arrives after 5 pm, which has happened a lot lately, then many places are closed & I've wasted my day waiting for the postal service to take its sweet time getting here.

Why don't they notify the customers that routes are changing & so will delivery times? Nothing has been said on MSM or the local papers.
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Mopar28m:

Actually: The USPS printed out millions of postcards that were delivered to each and every one of our customers stating that 1. route adjustments were underway and 2. that people should expect their mail delivery to occur at a different time. These cards were delivered last MARCH. Typically, many of our customers either didn't see them or they spent all of 1 second looking at them before tossing them into the trash and forgetting everything they read. These could also be the same people who claim we NEVER knock on their doors to deliver a parcel or accountable mail, or who wait until noon on April 15 to start doing their taxes... but, that sort of wild claim cannot be proven! The brutal truth is that most people do NOT pay attention until it's too late and they're left empty-handed. Procrastination takes no prisoners!

If you DIDN'T get a postcard, then we certainly screwed up; in any event, at least GLP'ers WILL know because I'll make it a point to advise you all of anything that will impact the service we have sworn to give you. Fair enough?

I'd suggest you rent a small Post Office box. Your mail will normally be placed therein by about 9:30 in the morning and you could schedule your day accordingly. For example, if you use our Click-N-Ship service with your business, you could mail your previous day's parcels and pick up your new orders in a POB when you come into our station. Many of our Ebay customers do this and it works quite well. Further: when we DO move to a five-day workweek, P.O. boxes will still get mail delivery on Saturdays so this would be a win/win situation for you, Mopar. You must be in a pretty small town if your local station is already closed on Saturdays. BTW: yours COULD very well be one of those towns where a station WILL close... many small rural communites are being consolidated and serviced by a larger Post Office in the nearest larger town.

As I mentoned above, out of a possible 3,200 stations, fewer than 1,000 are expected to go on the chopping block. I'd expect somewhere around 700 to actually cease operations. Here's hoping yours isn't one of them!
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They're going to close a post office in a town of 15,000 people? I don't think so, they might close the one to the west of us in a town of 2,000. The next closet one to us would be Ames, 20 miles to a post office?

Saturday is the sabbath so I don't do business on the Saturdays anyway.

And no, I didn't get the post card about mail delivery changing. I look at every single piece of mail unless it truly is garbage like something from the cable company or something along that line.

P.O. Box, I'll think about it.
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Sorry: but we've already closed stations in towns larger than 15,000 and moved delivery responsibilties to other larger cities. I can't speak for Iowa since it is serviced from a different Area than the one to whch I am currently assigned; yours will be a regional decision. I can assure you, however, that the stats [specifically: revenue vs. population vs. area served] for your station have already been examined in our preliminary adjustments and a decision regarding others is in the process as I write this. BTW; there are approximately 27,200 post offices in operation today, so you can see that we can afford to do a little trimming, yes?

As I stated above: the route adjustment process is an on-going one that will continue for several more months until every bit of excess time/labor is eliminated. We have already wiped out 2,500 routes with more on the way. This is one rare area where our unions are in agreement with USPS management.

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Well, they won't close our P.O. ... only one on the island.

Too bad for other folk, though. A convenient local post office has turned out an unattainable luxury. Shame, eh?

I have read that in London in the latter 1800s, many areas had mail delivery two and three times a day.

Household delivery.

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Actually: Here in the U.S. we also had multiple daily deliveries in large metro areas [primarily to businesses] until the early 70's.

Here's just one way the USPS has changed since the early 1900's: at that time, our carriers had no established regular routes. The mail was literally delivered as it arrived at our stations. When enough arrived for one neighborhood, a carrier would take it to that area, deliver it and return for more [if there was any]. Carriers would sit around the stations all day long sometimes waiting hours for mail to arrive so they could deliver it... and, they only got paid when they were actually out there on the steet. How times have changed! Can you imagine ANY worker today who would spend all day long on-call just waiting around for some work to show up?

The sad truth is this: with unemployment so high, already 1500 people WILL show up to apply for just a few jobs. And, that competition will probably grow. I've been warning USPS employees since last year that they'd better appreciate the jobs they have and make a serious attempt to improve their productivity while they can still make a difference. I've also been advising them that they should expect to be more flexible in their daily routines by doing tasks previously covered by others.

The USPS has a strict agreement in our union contracts that prohibits "crossing crafts" - this is when a carrier does a clerk's work or vice-versa, or when a Supervisor does duties normally assigned to the rank/file. Two years ago, grievances would fly like laundry in a Kansas twister when this happened. As we've hit hard times, there has been a distinct softening of this policy; in fact, the newest unofficial HQ slogan to hit our workrooms is, "Just DO it..." - suggesting that we're to do whatever it takes to get our jobs done, without compromising cost and efficiency.

It may work.

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