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My passion is Biblical prophecy and a I have spent a fair amount of time with Islamic eschatology

The Mahdi "Guided One" is a Muslim figure that will appear at the end of time to correct the World.

What is fascianting are the parallels between the figure of the antichrist and the Mahdi

Here are just a few..will work to add others later

The white horse;

The 1st Seal opened in Revelation reveals this figure

And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. Rev.6:2


“I find the Mahdi recorded in the books of the Prophets… For instance, the Book of Revelation says: “And I saw and behold a white horse. He that sat on him…went forth conquering and to conquer.”

It is clear that this man is the Mahdi who will ride the white horse and judge by the Qur’an (with justice) and with whom will be men with marks of prostration (zabiba) on their foreheads.

Al-Imam Al-Mahdi: The Just Leader of Humanity, translated by Dr. Abdulaziz Sachedina, available online at: [link to al-islam.org]


The antichrist will kill Jews & Christians who do not submit

And the dragon was wroth with the woman(Israel), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev.12:17

The Mahdi will offer the religion of Islam to the Jews and Christians; if they accept it they will be spared, otherwise they will be killed

Al-Imam Al-Mahdi: The Just Leader of Humanity, translated by Dr. Abdulaziz Sachedina, available online at: [link to al-islam.org]


The Bible teaches that The Antichrist, with his multi-nation coalition will attack Israel, and specifically Jerusalem to conquer it:

I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people (who submit to Antichrist’s rule) will not be taken from the city. Zechariah 14:2

Also Ezk.39

The Mahdi also attacks Jerusalem

Armies carrying) black flags will come from Khurasan (Iran). No power will be able to stop them and they will finally reach Eela (Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem) where they will erect their flags."

Jerusalem will be the location of the rightly guided caliphate and the center of Islamic rule, which will be headed by Imam al- Mahdi
Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6985
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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The Antichrist’s Seven Year Treaty With Israel

He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. Daniel 9:27


The Mahdi also has a 7 year peace treaty

The Prophet said: There will be four peace agreements between you and the Romans. The fourth will be mediated through a person who will be from the progeny of Hadrat Aaron ,Honorable Aaron, the brother of Moses (a Jew) and will be upheld for seven years. The people asked, “O Prophet Muhammad, who will be the imam (leader) of the people at that time?” The Prophet said: He will be from my progeny and will be exactly forty years of age. His face will shine like a star...(The Mahdi)

Antichrist will try to change the set times and the laws”:

He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time. Daniel 7:25


The Mahdi as well will try the times and laws


It is considered a divine command to use a (Hijra) calendar with 12 (purely) lunar months without intercalation, as evident from… the Holy Qur'an

Friday is the day of worship and the first day of the week corresponds with Sunday



The Antichrist and the False Prophet will specifically use beheading as the primary means of execution for non-conformists.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads,
Rev. 20:4


The Quran

God revealed His will to the angels, saying: "I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers." (Sura 8, Verse 12)

"When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads." (Sura 47, Verse 4)


Where is the Mahdi now? He is hidden in the Jamkaran well in Iran. UNDERGROUND

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Rev.9



Other Islamic sources

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 36, Number 4273, Narrated by Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin


Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 36, Number 4271



Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 36, Number 4273

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For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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so is it osama or obama?
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What made you assume that the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse are demonic?

If they are demonic, why are they being invited to the throne of God?

The 4 horsemen of the apocalypse are the 4 angels standing at the 4 corners of the earth who has authority to harm the land or the sea or the trees, and the same 4 angels released from great river Euphrates who has authoruty to kill a third of mankind:

Rev. 9:13 The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the horns of the golden altar that is before God. 14 It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates." 15 And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind.

Rev. 7:1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3 "Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God."


The last days are days of judgment and God's wrath and no longer days of mercy, and the 4 angels or the 4 horsemen are God's instruments of His wrath.
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What made you assume that the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse are demonic?


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 738554

Easy..the first 5 seals (#1 being the rider on the white horse) are man & the Antichrist

The wrath of the Lamb does not began until the 6th Seal

Unless you think the believers in Seal 5 (Killed for their testimony)Rev.6:9 are killed by God or his angels

The wrath of the Lamb does not begin until the opening of the 6th seal
Rev.6:16

The "4 horsemen" and 4 angels are not the same
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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The 4 horsemen of the apocalypse are the same 4 chariots seen by Zechariah:

Zechariah 6:1 I looked up again--and there before me were four chariots coming out from between two mountains--mountains of bronze! 2 The first chariot had red horses, the second black, 3 the third white, and the fourth dappled--all of them powerful. 4 I asked the angel who was speaking to me, "What are these, my lord?" 5 The angel answered me, "These are the four spirits of heaven, going out from standing in the presence of the Lord of the whole world. 6 The one with the black horses is going toward the north country, the one with the white horses toward the west, and the one with the dappled horses toward the south." 7 When the powerful horses went out, they were straining to go throughout the earth. And he said, "Go throughout the earth!" So they went throughout the earth. 8 Then he called to me, "Look, those going toward the north country have given my Spirit rest in the land of the north."


The 4 horsemen are the 4 archangels or 4 cherubs standing at the 4 corners of God's throne, also referred to as the 4 living creatures symbolized by the eagle, the lion, the bull, and man.
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The 4 horsemen of the apocalypse are the same 4 chariots seen by Zechariah:

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See above
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What made you assume that the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse are demonic?



Easy..the first 5 seals (#1 being the rider on the white horse) are man & the Antichrist

The wrath of the Lamb does not began until the 6th Seal

Unless you think the believers in Seal 5 (Killed for their testimony)Rev.6:9 are killed by God or his angels

The wrath of the Lamb does not begin until the opening of the 6th seal
Rev.6:16

The "4 horsemen" and 4 angels are not the same
 Quoting: mathetes

Where does it say the the 4 horsemen were responsible for the deaths of the believers in seal 5?
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What made you assume that the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse are demonic?



Easy..the first 5 seals (#1 being the rider on the white horse) are man & the Antichrist

The wrath of the Lamb does not began until the 6th Seal

Unless you think the believers in Seal 5 (Killed for their testimony)Rev.6:9 are killed by God or his angels

The wrath of the Lamb does not begin until the opening of the 6th seal
Rev.6:16

The "4 horsemen" and 4 angels are not the same

Where does it say the the 4 horsemen were responsible for the deaths of the believers in seal 5?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 738554

The natural flow of Rev.6

Seal 1 Antichrist revealed

Seals 2,3 & 4 the result of AC being revealed and in power

Seal 5 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held


Revelation 6 and Matt.24 follow the exact same chronology
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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What made you assume that the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse are demonic?



Easy..the first 5 seals (#1 being the rider on the white horse) are man & the Antichrist

The wrath of the Lamb does not began until the 6th Seal

Unless you think the believers in Seal 5 (Killed for their testimony)Rev.6:9 are killed by God or his angels

The wrath of the Lamb does not begin until the opening of the 6th seal
Rev.6:16

The "4 horsemen" and 4 angels are not the same

Where does it say the the 4 horsemen were responsible for the deaths of the believers in seal 5?

The natural flow of Rev.6

Seal 1 Antichrist revealed

Seals 2,3 & 4 the result of AC being revealed and in power

Seal 5 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held


Revelation 6 and Matt.24 follow the exact same chronology
 Quoting: mathetes

The natural flow of Revelation 6 is God's judgment to the world (seals 1-4, and 6), and His salvation to the believers (seal 5). It is all about God and His instruments of justice and salvation (the 4 horsemen), nothing to do with the antichrist at all.

Notice also that the 2 witnesses uses famine and plagues to kill their enemies, the same methods used by the 4th horseman:

Rev. 11:3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth." 4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. 5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6 These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.

Rev. 6:8 I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

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What made you assume that the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse are demonic?



Easy..the first 5 seals (#1 being the rider on the white horse) are man & the Antichrist

The wrath of the Lamb does not began until the 6th Seal

Unless you think the believers in Seal 5 (Killed for their testimony)Rev.6:9 are killed by God or his angels

The wrath of the Lamb does not begin until the opening of the 6th seal
Rev.6:16

The "4 horsemen" and 4 angels are not the same

Where does it say the the 4 horsemen were responsible for the deaths of the believers in seal 5?

The natural flow of Rev.6

Seal 1 Antichrist revealed

Seals 2,3 & 4 the result of AC being revealed and in power

Seal 5 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held


Revelation 6 and Matt.24 follow the exact same chronology

The natural flow of Revelation 6 is God's judgment to the world (seals 1-4, and 6), and His salvation to the believers (seal 5). It is all about God and His instruments of justice and salvation (the 4 horsemen), nothing to do with the antichrist at all.

Notice also that the 2 witnesses uses famine and plagues to kill their enemies, the same methods used by the 4th horseman:

Rev. 11:3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth." 4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. 5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6 These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.

Rev. 6:8 I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 738554

1st let me say I really do appreciate your input! You seem to put the time into studying.


But I have to disagee with your timeline... can we agree that God does use human agents to fulfill his will?


A clear indication of the wrath of God(Lamb) in Rev. 6 is the opening of the 6th seal all the other seals can be expalned by evil but human means

1st there is war and then a great famine

it is not until the 6th seal where there is no doubt God is causing the events

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

It is not until AFTER this event do we see men say

Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


As I said before Rev.6 and Matt 24 match each other perfectly

It may be appear to be off topic but will help explain my position!



The 1st Seal
And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer
Rev.6:2

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many
Matt. 24:5


The 2nd Seal
And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
Rev.6:4

And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
Matt.24:6-7a


The 3rd Seal
And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Rev.:5-6


and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Matt.24:7b

The 4th Seal
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
Rev.6:7-8

pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Matt.7c-8


The 5th Seal
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth
Rev.6:9-11

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake
Matt.24:9

The 6th Seal
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev.6:12-13

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matt.24:29

Scripture always interperts scripture
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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so is it osama or obama?
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or someone else?
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Scripture always interperts scripture

that is why and where the miss-inter-pre-tat-ions are
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so is it osama or obama?



or someone else?
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Def. someone else

I heard the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon Him) say: 'The Mahdi is of my lineage and family…'.

— Sunan Abu Dawud, 11/373; Sunan Ibn Maajah, 2/1368.


There is a king today that claims he is the direct descendant of Mo


Al Mahdi will have the seal of prophethood like that of our Prophet on his shoulder.
El-Kavlu Fi Muhtasarr fi' 'Alamatil Mehdiyy-il Muntazar, 41



Al Mahdi will have an average height.
Signs of the Judgment Day
El-Kavlu-l Muhtasar fi' 'Alamatil Mehdiyy-il Muntazar, 41

Al Mahdi is a man from my children. He is in his 40s.
El-Kavlu-l Muhtasar fi' 'Alamatil Mehdiyy-il Muntazar, 41
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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My passion is Biblical prophecy and a I have spent a fair amount of time with Islamic eschatology
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I studied Islamic Prophecies much deeper than you.

Either you are delusional and wants to fit Mahdi into AC's profile or you r telling lies intentionally.

Mahdi, will come forth when the world shall be at the brink of disasters. Arabs destroyed, US Destroyed, Europe Destroyed. Russia and China had had the field days. Everyone had eaten the fruits that their fathers and grandfathers planted.

He will come and will liberate arabs from tyrannical rulers. He will make treaty with remaining forces of europe and us. he will then conquer turkey.

his fame, his justice, his doctrine will spread far and wide. then, anti-christ, dajjal (The great liar) will come forth. He will come from old Tiberistan to Isfahan (persia) and will join hands with whom? yes. the jews living there. still to this day.

he will then become their messiah whom they are waiting for. He will deceive them with miracles and power and food. His tyranny will spread all over. Everyone who likes what AC has to offer will join him. Those who doesn't like AC will join hands. At this point, religion is not important. Just the victory over a common foe is the goal.

greatest of all battles will be fought. At the last day, Isa/Yeshu/ Yesu/ Jesu/ Jesus will descend from the skies. (The way he ascended, so shall be the way of his descent). He will have miraculous sword and power. AC will be slained and finished at LUD, Israel.

This is just a fast overview. I've prophecies that cover 100's of pages stating who Mahdi will be, how will he look like, what will he do. Similarly the prophecies about Anti-Christ, how will he look, what will he do.

Don't lie, or mislead ppl. This is a karma and one day, it will come back to haunt you. learn throughly before you say anything..

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This is just a fast overview. I've prophecies that cover 100's of pages stating who Mahdi will be, how will he look like, what will he do. Similarly the prophecies about Anti-Christ, how will he look, what will he do.


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I'd like to read what you have.
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1st let me say I really do appreciate your input! You seem to put the time into studying.


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Thanks for your good attitude towards this.

People say that interpreting the book of revelations is difficult, if not impossible. However, there are keys which help you interpret them, and these keys will assure you that your interpretation is correct.

One key is the consistent use of numbers.

When the theme of the antichrist/s is discussed in the book of revelations, the number 3 always surfaces, i.e., The dragon (or the man possessed by Satan), the Wild Beast (often referred to as the antichrist), and the False Prophet (Rev. 13). This tells us that the antichrist or the wild beast is in the company of three, not 4 (like the 4 horsemen):

Rev. 16: 13 Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.

These 3 evil spirits are of course Satan, Gog, and Magog, the 3 most powerful demons who possessed the dragon, the beast and the false prophet.

Rev. 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.

This is how I know the that rider of the white horse is NOT the antichrist, because he is in the company of 4 and not 3.

To illustrate further the use of numbers as a key to interpreting the book of revelations:

Who are the 24 elders seen by apostle John?

The answer is, these are the 12 apostles of Christ and the 12 sons of Israel, as these are the 24 names inscribed in the New Jerusalem:

Rev. 21:12 It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13 There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. 14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb

And since the book of Revelations is consistent with its use of numbers as a key for interpreting it, I know that the 4 horsemen = 4 living creatures = 4 angels.
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and btw, Mahdi will dig out the real 'ark' and will present the real torah to the jews. Some who know the truth will accept it, others who wants power and dominance only, will reject it.

After the arrival of Yesu, all religions will perish. ppl will accept the one and real religion. The earth would have cleansed from the evil ppl. Then nations of Gog & Magog will come forth. They will destroy whatever was left. Gog Magog will be destroyed by a plague. After that, the golden age will start. An age of spirituality.

After this age, a universal conflagration will come to end all the existance. Then the Judgement day.

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Here is some information about the history of the "Mahdi"

Mahdi is mainly in Shia Islam and disputed in Sunni Islam, this is because Shia Islam was born in Persia, it is a mix of the original Persian religion "Zoroastrianism" with Islam. In "Zoroastrianism" there existed as in Judaism the concept of a Messiah which would one day come and save all humanity. Zoroastrianism's Messiah was named "Soushiant" and when Islam was forced onto the Persians they took on this concept of the Messiah so that the population would accept Islam more easily, and they renamed the Messiah "Mahdi."

Now Zoroastrianism was a very peaceful and calm religion, this is probably why the Arabs so easily forced the Persians into converting to Islam. The prophet Zoroaster whom the religion was named after was a poet and dancer. He lived around 1000 B.C. The Zoroastrians also worshipped one God, the God of all existence.

The relationship between Islam and Zoroastrianism is very similar to Europe's Christianity and Paganism.

So, you should know that the concept of the coming of a Messiah is not from Islam at all, but from Zoroastrianism. Sunni's which are by far the majority of world Muslims do not in the majority agree with the concept of the "Mahdi."

Also an interesting thing is that the prophecy of the Zoroastrian Messiah "Soushiant" is that he will be born of a virgin. This is far older than Jesus.

Also it is interesting to note that the "Mahdi" in Islam is said to be accompanied by Jesus when he returns (a positive union by the way). So this doesn't quite match up with your views of "Mahdi" as the anti-christ, also since Muslims revere and respect Jesus as a great prophet. This alliance is mentioned in this Wiki article on "mahdi": [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Here are some Wiki links on Zoroastrianism for you:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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One more thing with regards to the subject of the antichrist, most Bible interpreters assume that the wild beast will be the major antichrist in the last days.

This is wrong, there will be a man, also an antichrist, who will be more powerful than him. This man will be possessed by Satan himself, and will be seen coming down from heaven, and the world will see him (erroneously) as a benevolent alien.

This man will be Cain, who, by virtue of the mark he received from God, remains undead until now.

Genesis 4:13 Cain said to the Lord, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me." 15 But the Lord said to him, "Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.

The mark which Cain received will be the same mark used by the wild beast and the false prophet in the last days.
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The mahdi and the anti-christ will be different persons/entities.

the mahdi will never claim to be anything, the anti-christ however..
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I also believe that the anti-christ will be in possession of the staf of Moses, ring of Solomon and garment of Adam.

sound far fetched?
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Dear mathetes,

1. The white horse in mystical Judaism is the Acharit = the last and in Hindu prophecy they are known as Lord Kalki. This is one of the reasons that Islamic scholars do their utmost to convince Hindu's that Prophet Muhammad was the Kalki because they like to think that their prophet was the last.

2. Changing of the times - I am sure that you are aware that the times were changed in biblical times originally there was 360 days in the year and it was changed to 365 days. This did have an important purpose.

3. You are correct about the angels released from the river and it is symbolic of Islam. It was this passage that I was given when I was instructed to warn Israel that they were going to be attacked in the summer of 2006. We were instructed to defuse these end time prophecies at that time and we were given a mantra to say before the war broke out. Israel was advised prior to the war between Lebanon and Israel.

4. The woman in Rev 12 is a real woman and there is a fresco of her in the vatican. Michelangelo knew that God was sending a female prophet in the last days in the same way that Nostradamus did too.

5. As far as your understanding of the Madhi=Anti-Christ, Palestinian Walid Shoebat agrees with you. However, there is a great deal more to know about this so if you are interested in this subject matter I recommend you watch his youtube videos from the prophecy conferences and check out his latest book.

6. I was shown recently that some words in Arabic mean the complete opposite in Hebrew/Aramaic.

7. It was good to see the response from the poster from a spiritual Islamic prospective because my view is that many religionists misunderstand many prophecies.

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My passion is Biblical prophecy and a I have spent a fair amount of time with Islamic eschatology

The Mahdi "Guided One" is a Muslim figure that will appear at the end of time to correct the World.

What is fascianting are the parallels between the figure of the antichrist and the Mahdi

Here are just a few..will work to add others later

The white horse;

The 1st Seal opened in Revelation reveals this figure

And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. Rev.6:2


“I find the Mahdi recorded in the books of the Prophets… For instance, the Book of Revelation says: “And I saw and behold a white horse. He that sat on him…went forth conquering and to conquer.”

It is clear that this man is the Mahdi who will ride the white horse and judge by the Qur’an (with justice) and with whom will be men with marks of prostration (zabiba) on their foreheads.

Al-Imam Al-Mahdi: The Just Leader of Humanity, translated by Dr. Abdulaziz Sachedina, available online at: [link to al-islam.org]


The antichrist will kill Jews & Christians who do not submit

And the dragon was wroth with the woman(Israel), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev.12:17

The Mahdi will offer the religion of Islam to the Jews and Christians; if they accept it they will be spared, otherwise they will be killed

Al-Imam Al-Mahdi: The Just Leader of Humanity, translated by Dr. Abdulaziz Sachedina, available online at: [link to al-islam.org]


The Bible teaches that The Antichrist, with his multi-nation coalition will attack Israel, and specifically Jerusalem to conquer it:

I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people (who submit to Antichrist’s rule) will not be taken from the city. Zechariah 14:2

Also Ezk.39

The Mahdi also attacks Jerusalem

Armies carrying) black flags will come from Khurasan (Iran). No power will be able to stop them and they will finally reach Eela (Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem) where they will erect their flags."

Jerusalem will be the location of the rightly guided caliphate and the center of Islamic rule, which will be headed by Imam al- Mahdi
Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6985
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cool interpretation and analysis.... sounds like you have some solid dot-connecting done. good to learn more about what others perceive the Anti-Christ to be, because that is something i am still unclear on. good insight OP.
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"nurse we need a straight jacket here!!!Hurry!!!"
You people (religious nuts seeing Israel as God's land and Islam as the devil himself) crack me up. seriously get a life, get laid get real and make some friends maybe you won't be so uptight (only people that are difficult to be friends with are jews from experience (supremacists suck))

Djeez try to enlighten yourself don't fall back to the dark ages man!!
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Last but not least don't forget that Jesus said this time will be shortened for the sake of the elect otherwise everything will be destroyed.

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mathetes = blind and ignorant crusader

desperately grasping at whatever might juxtapose the mahdi with the antichrist. they are completely different and opposite entities do more research.

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oh and by the way, shia islam was from the times of the conflict between the first caliphates not from zoroastrianism.
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hey religitards
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mathetes = blind and ignorant crusader

desperately grasping at whatever might juxtapose the mahdi with the antichrist. they are completely different and opposite entities do more research.

cool2
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lol and I see you didn't post any contradictory Islamic sources to my points about what the Mahdi will do

Just your opinion....typical
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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hey religitards
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Thread: Both Betelgeuse And Antares - Update..STAR DOOM!!!!

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The battle between the forces of good and evil does not necessarily mean that the side of Good even resides on this planet. The God / Universe version of urban renewal might be how this Universe deals with evil, warlike beings that do not hesitate to kill even their own species.

It is as if we are witnessing a complete nervous breakdown and mass moral breakdown of our species as crime, fraud, child abuse, pedophilia, murder, war crimes, cruelty and inhumanity are like ill winds all over this Earth. When torture, wars based on lies, war crimes, killing of innocents become passé, we as a species prove that we are not worth saving for the most part.

The analogies or mental pictures put forth in Revelations could easily mean the following:

First Horseman of the Apocalypse:

The notice of the Supernova as a massive blast of light (Shock Wave) accompanied by extreme levels of either UV or gamma rays or x-rays. That bright light might be in our sky for weeks or months.
We might even be the unlucky recipients of a GRB or gamma ray burst that would shorten the time of suffering and increase the likelihood of extinction. As to time, that depends on when Betelgeuse explodes or if it has already exploded. If it has already detonated, the fuse is lit and how long it takes to arrive depends on when it blew up. It may have blown up 400 years ago, might do so today or might be in the future.

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