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Tamiflu causes sickness and nightmares in children, study finds
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More than half of children taking the swine flu drug Tamiflu experience side-effects such as nausea and nightmares, research suggests.

An estimated 150,000 people with flu symptoms were prescribed the drug through a new hotline and website last week, according to figures revealed yesterday.

Studies of children attending three schools in London and one in the South West showed that 51-53 per cent had one or more side-effects from the medication, which is offered to everyone in England with swine flu symptoms.

The research by the Health Protection Agency emerged as Sir Liam Donaldson, the Chief Medical Officer for England, said that swine flu infections “may have reached a plateau”.

Releasing the latest figures, Sir Liam said that an estimated 110,000 new cases of the H1N1 virus were diagnosed by doctors in the week to Sunday. That did not include those using the new National Pandemic Flu Service for England to obtain antiviral drugs without seeing their GP.

Sir Liam said that the deaths of 27 people in England were confirmed to have been linked to swine flu, compared with 26 last week. As of Wednesday morning 793 people were in hospital in England with the virus, and 81 were in intensive care.

Yesterday Natasha Newman, 16, of Highgate, North London, was seriously ill in hospital in Athens after contracting swine flu while on holiday on the island of Cephalonia. Her parents, Julian Newman and Nikki Boughton, were at her bedside at the Agia Sofia children’s hospital, said a spokeswoman for Mr Newman’s business, J. Newman Textiles. “This is a very distressing and worrying time,” she said.

Peter Holden, the British Medical Association’s lead expert on swine flu, suggested that Tamiflu was being overused and did not need to be offered to everyone with mild symptoms. “The National Pandemic Flu Service has been a great success, and was needed to take the pressure off GPs,” he said. “But the threshold for getting Tamiflu should be quite high.

“For patients who are not in the high-risk groups — such as pregnant women, people with bad asthma or with suppressed immune systems — this virus typically causes mild symptoms and does not require a course of Tamiflu. Patients in the at-risk groups should be referred to their GP, who will use their clinical judgment.”

A total of 103 children took part in the London study, of which 85 were given the drug as a precaution after a classmate received a diagnosis of swine flu. Of those, 45 experienced one or more side-effects. The most common was nausea (29 per cent), followed by stomach pain or cramps (20 per cent) and problems sleeping (12 per cent). Almost one in five had a “neuropsychiatric side-effect”, such as inability to think clearly, nightmares and “behaving strangely”, according to the research, published in Eurosurveillance, a journal of disease.

The study was carried out in April and May when the drug was being issued as a preventive measure. The findings were echoed by a study of children at a school in the South West where a pupil had caught the disease in Mexico.

Health officials in Japan have recommended against prescribing Tamiflu to teenagers over fears it causes a rise in “neuropsychiatric events”. The researchers said that clinical trials had shown that about 20 per cent of adults reported side-effects of either nausea or vomiting after taking Tamiflu.

Both the Department of Health and the Medicines and Healthcare Regulatory products Agency said that the drug was safe, and that the benefits of treating early symptoms and avoiding potentially serious complications could outweigh the risks of side-effects.

Sir Liam said that despite a 10 per cent rise in the estimated number of cases in the week to Sunday, the latest figures reinforced “a growing impression we have had a peak”. He said that a surge would still be expected in the winter flu season, but added: “I think we are a little more confident we may be seeing a downturn in this flu.”

Scale of the outbreak

— 110,000 new swine flu cases in England last week, based on data from GPs

— 150,000 people obtaining Tamiflu without seeing a GP since last Thursday

— 51% to 53% proportion of children reporting side-effects from taking Tamiflu

— 1 in 158 people in England have contacted their GP with flu-like symptoms since outbreaks began. The rate is 1 in 77 for children aged 1 to 4

Source: Department of Health
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Re: Tamiflu causes sickness and nightmares in children, study finds
Tamiflu has been tested and look at the side effects. What do we have to look forward to with the untested vaccine?
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it has detrimental side effects which some have even linked to a type of temporary psychosis to include that of GI upset.
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Re: Tamiflu causes sickness and nightmares in children, study finds
I heard about this on the BBC or Sky News this morning but couldn't find a link on their websites so thanks for reporting this.

As a mum, this survey definitely tells me that unless one of my children gets seriously ill from this flu then they will not be taking Tamiflu.

As for the vaccine - I'll be playing the wait and see game. I'm not in any hurry to have my children vaccinated so prefer to see what side effects emerge.

Years ago I had serious side effects to a "non addictive" drug prescribed by more doctor for depression and anxiety and since then no-one in our house takes any medication, or visits a doctor, unless we're really, really ill. One son has had antibiotics for a tooth abscess and my other son had them for a very bad ear infection but apart from that we haven't even seen a doctor in over 5 years and we're all very healthy and happy.

We all had bad tummy upsets, coughs, sore throats and colds back in late April/early May but got over it quickly - except the cough which lingered on for weeks. Was it Swine flu? Who knows - strange that we're never normally ill and all came down with this within days of each other but we didn't panic and certainly didn't rush to the doctor for drugs.

Over 50% of children have had negative side effects to Tamiflu so everyone needs to seriously way up the pros and cons before giving it to their children.
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Just to add that they say this is from a study conducted in May so why didn't they wait for the results before making Tamiflu available by phone or internet?! Makes me so mad - playing games with my kids!!!
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remember their test run in 2006? it was killing people.
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Sorry to post again but I am so angry about this..... quote from the OP

[A total of 103 children took part in the London study, of which 85 were given the drug as a precaution after a classmate received a diagnosis of swine flu. Of those, 45 experienced one or more side-effects. The most common was nausea (29 per cent), followed by stomach pain or cramps (20 per cent) and problems sleeping (12 per cent). Almost one in five had a “neuropsychiatric side-effect”, such as inability to think clearly, nightmares and “behaving strangely”, according to the research, published in Eurosurveillance, a journal of disease.

The study was carried out in April and May when the drug was being issued as a preventive measure. The findings were echoed by a study of children at a school in the South West where a pupil had caught the disease in Mexico.

April and May studies and then they handed out an estimated 150,000 last week via the phone and internet - my mind boggles?!?!

How many of those 150,000 people would've got Tamiflu, especially for their kids, if they'd known these results already?

This should really be pinned for all to see and maybe, just maybe some people will stop and use their brains before taking medication like sweeties.
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This has been posted like...5 times.

Every vaccine has a side effect... hell pretty much every medication does.

In fact... I'm sure there are many other more common medications that have worse side effects and cause it in more people.


If you had influenza... i'm sure you would want tamiflu.
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how many? ppl who succumb to their fear mongering like theyre doing right now
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This has been posted like...5 times.

Every vaccine has a side effect... hell pretty much every medication does.

In fact... I'm sure there are many other more common medications that have worse side effects and cause it in more people.


If you had influenza... i'm sure you would want tamiflu.
 Quoting: Mr. Whitey

this article was published today. and i screen shot my searches by original article title.

and ive had influenza, i dont need big pharma to save me. virus' must run their course, nothing wades off as virus except a healthy immune system...and i always keep a bottle of brandy handy.

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this article was published today. and i screen shot my searches by original article title.

and ive had influenza, i dont need big pharma to save me. virus' must run their course, nothing wades off as virus except a healthy immune system...and i always keep a bottle of brandy handy.
 Quoting: Phennommennonn



Oh heaven forbid I said 5... Thread: Children treated with Tamiflu suffer nightmares and nausea , Thread: Children treated with Tamiflu suffer nightmares and nausea

Anyways...

I'm pretty sure if you had it pretty bad and knowing that you could indeed die...you may reconsider.

Like i said... every vaccine has its side effects. Tamiflu has been around for awhile now. Sure, people have died... but how many has it saved?
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case sensitive, meh.

my cousin is a top scientist for merck. nuff said.
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case sensitive, meh.

my cousin is a top scientist for merck. nuff said.
 Quoting: Phennommennonn



My wife uses "big pharma" to help children everyday and sometimes save their lives. I guess we should just push the meds away and let them all die.

Yeah... your right. Let's throw out all the medication in the world that has been created by "big pharma".
If you force me to do violence, I shall be so savage and so cruel, and hurt you so badly that the thought of revenge shall never cross your mind. -Machiavelli

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case sensitive, meh.

my cousin is a top scientist for merck. nuff said.



My wife uses "big pharma" to help children everyday and sometimes save their lives. I guess we should just push the meds away and let them all die.

Yeah... your right. Let's throw out all the medication in the world that has been created by "big pharma".
 Quoting: Mr. Whitey

spoken like a true slave. in all due respect have you followed ANY of big pharmas trails? i suggest you do before you go to battle here.

Last Edited by Phennommennonn on 07/31/2009 07:12 AM
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phe-fen diet drug coccktail; big pharma knew the cocktail wasnt approved together and marketed it as a Rx diet drug cocktail which resulted in thousands of heart defects and illnesses.

gardasil - killing woman

anti depressants - zyprexa, effexor et al etc surpressed info, gave diabetes to patients

Accutane
Ativan
Avandia
Baycol
Bextra
Celebrex
Crestor
Ephedra
Fen-Phen
Lamictal Lamisil
Lariam
Lotronex
Meridia
Naproxen
Neurontin
OxyContin
Paxil
PPA
Propulsid
Redux
Rezulin
Risperdal
Serevent
Seroquel
Serzone
Viga
Vioxx
Zicam
Zoloft

shall i continue? or you want me to list wtf these particular drugs have done/harmed people because of big pharmas marketing unsafe drugs
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spoken like a true slave. in all due respect have you followed ANY of big pharmas trails? i suggest you do before you go to battle here.
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


Um... slave? Riiiiiight.

I just know that IF I am truly ill, and I know that there is a drug that may help me... then bring it on.
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spoken like a true slave. in all due respect have you followed ANY of big pharmas trails? i suggest you do before you go to battle here.


Um... slave? Riiiiiight.

I just know that IF I am truly ill, and I know that there is a drug that may help me... then bring it on.
 Quoting: Mr. Whitey

ahhhhh so another words because they said so.

you can always get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up the bulls ass, but you'd rather take the butchers word for it.

good luck with that
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ahhhhh so another words because they said so.

you can always get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up the bulls ass, but you'd rather take the butchers word for it.

good luck with that
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


Not even close.
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ahhhhh so another words because they said so.

you can always get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up the bulls ass, but you'd rather take the butchers word for it.

good luck with that


Not even close.
 Quoting: Mr. Whitey


you admitted so in the post prior. nice try at damage control.


saccharin, aspartame, xylitol, high fructose corn syrup - because the FDA approved it for consumption does NOT mean its healthy or doesnt cause illnesses/disease.

chemo is another bullshit facade.

vaccines have enough cases against them to prove that their ingredients are causing autism, Alzheimers, paralysis et sl etc.

Last Edited by Phennommennonn on 07/31/2009 07:30 AM
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you admitted so in the post prior. nice try at damage control.


saccharin, aspartame, xylitol, high fructose corn syrup - because the FDA approved it for consumption does NOT mean its healthy or doesnt cause illnesses/disease.

chemo is another bullshit facade.

vaccines have enough cases against them to prove that their ingredients are causing autism, Alzheimers, paralysis et sl etc.
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


I admitted to what? There is no need to do any damage control. I admitted I would take medication if it would save my life. Who said I was listening to anyone? Maybe I'm the type of person who would find out information for myself and make my own decision.

Chemo is shitty... I've had 1 family member who suffered a great deal during chemo and radiation bullshit. In my opinion, she went through more hell because of that instead of the cancer. Even if it prolonged her life a year.

But... I've also had 2 family members who have been saved by chemo.

Are you the type of person, that instead of taking their child to the doctor you would just sit home and hope/wish and even pray that they will get better? Ya kno... give them some vitamins and green tea and hope for the best.

Smart.

Really.

Last Edited by Mr. Whitey on 07/31/2009 07:38 AM
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Re: Tamiflu causes sickness and nightmares in children, study finds
I admitted to what? There is no need to do any damage control. I admitted I would take medication if it would save my life. Who said I was listening to anyone? Maybe I'm the type of person who would find out information for myself and make my own decision.

Chemo is shitty... I've had 1 family member who suffered a great deal during chemo and radiation bullshit. In my opinion, she went through more hell because of that instead of the cancer. Even if it prolonged her life a year.

But... I've also had 2 family members who have been saved by chemo.

Are you the type of person, that instead of taking their child to the doctor you would just sit home and hope/wish and even pray that they will get better? Ya kno... give them some vitamins and green tea and hope for the best.

Smart.

Really.
 Quoting: Mr. Whitey

smart? indeed i consider myself highly informed. i do not neglect my children nor family but i am educated in the field of medicines to where i can make an informed decision predicated upon my past MEDICAL background, my family's military positions and governmental employment to include that of big pharma careers.

fluoride - toxic
ritalin - dangerous/kids
i personally have 4 foster kids damaged from vaccines/autism
concerta/ADHD giving heart attacks to children

dont go putting words in my mouth here - youre plugging tamlifu when theres multi documentation out there that states this drug is not only ineffectual but harmful/deadly for MANY documented cases - reported in the news since 2006.

if you would bother to take your head out of your ass, you would see this, instead you would rather lay blind ignorant to the machinations of big pharma/gov.

BTW heres what you said
My wife uses "big pharma" to help children everyday and sometimes save their lives. I guess we should just push the meds away and let them all die.

Yeah... your right. Let's throw out all the medication in the world that has been created by "big pharma".
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smart? indeed i consider myself highly informed. i do not neglect my children nor family but i am educated in the field of medicines to where i can make an informed decision predicated upon my past MEDICAL background, my family's military positions and governmental employment to include that of big pharma careers.

fluoride - toxic
ritalin - dangerous/kids
i personally have 4 foster kids damaged from vaccines/autism
concerta/ADHD giving heart attacks to children

dont go putting words in my mouth here - youre plugging tamlifu when theres multi documentation out there that states this drug is not only ineffectual but harmful/deadly for MANY documented cases - reported in the news since 2006.

if you would bother to take your head out of your ass, you would see this, instead you would rather lay blind ignorant to the machinations of big pharma/gov.

BTW heres what you said
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Thanks for letting me know what I said. iamwith

So... you believe your well informed and educated enough to make an informed decision. How is that any different to what I have said? Like I said in my previous post... I would make the decision for myself. I would consider and research numerous things before I decided.

I too have family in the medical field. I'm well aware of the "harmful/deadly" cases. But what about the cases that show otherwise? What about the people that have had their lives saved by certain medication?

I'm not "plugging" a damn thing.

Now how about you stop making accusations and bullshit rhetoric about how I supposedly "lay blind ignorant to the machinations of big pharma/gov".
If you force me to do violence, I shall be so savage and so cruel, and hurt you so badly that the thought of revenge shall never cross your mind. -Machiavelli

There is nothing more real than a man’s character and values. The track record of what he has actually done is far more real than anything he says, however elegantly he says it. -Thomas Sowell


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This has been posted like...5 times.

Every vaccine has a side effect... hell pretty much every medication does.

In fact... I'm sure there are many other more common medications that have worse side effects and cause it in more people.


If you had influenza... i'm sure you would want tamiflu.

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whats this here? ^^^^^^^ thats a plug by definition.

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This has been posted like...5 times.

Every vaccine has a side effect... hell pretty much every medication does.

In fact... I'm sure there are many other more common medications that have worse side effects and cause it in more people.


If you had influenza... i'm sure you would want tamiflu.


whats this here? ^^^^^^^ thats a plug by definition.
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Right... I'm just advertising it like a good little shill. In fact, I'll start promoting its use on my website. I'll make a song too :>
If you force me to do violence, I shall be so savage and so cruel, and hurt you so badly that the thought of revenge shall never cross your mind. -Machiavelli

There is nothing more real than a man’s character and values. The track record of what he has actually done is far more real than anything he says, however elegantly he says it. -Thomas Sowell


Rep. Paul Ryan's [R-WI] 'A Roadmap For America's Future': [link to www.americanroadmap.org]

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