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Huginn
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08/01/2009 04:59 AM
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Look all this is just hoaxes or misinterpreted natural phenomenon or experimental drone aircrafts or new fighter/bombers, your brains are simply feed with serotonin and many of you are addicted to this substance just like elite sportsmen are addicted to their training.

If there were anything to this UFO phenomenon we would have seen it by now.

This is a statement. For well over 20 years I have watched the skies, during this time I have seen two unexplainable aerial phenomenon’s that I can beyond all reasonable doubt not explain away with natural phenomenon or man made crafts.

Today U.S launches Predator drone crafts from the U.S killing Taliban fighters in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq. The project Predator is like everything else out there, if they shows it for the cameras there is something much, much more advanced already in the works. Forget about all blurry or shaky claimed “UFO” sightings.

The days of those are dead. If its blurry, if its taken from afar without you being able to confirm or Identify it right away as a non human made craft do not bother with posting it on numerous “UFO” sites and try to prove it being something real and not fictitious.

UFO is today a pure franchise where people feeding on others serotonin kicks as they spit out books, movies, calendars with bits of truth, history and mixes of unprecedented fantasy and sometimes even insanity and figments of the imagination.

There astonish few out there that can’t be brushed away as hoaxes, or fantasy, insane or figments of the imagination. They have spoken; they are true; their sightings however have not been fictitious or imaginary. These very few, should not be franchised upon as those few are the ones that truly can help solve this phenomenon.

While there are thousands of want to be sightings and pure figments of the imagination out there, today that makes studies of this impossible without studying each and every claim to be sure we have a “UFO” out there thanks to all these people that claims contact, abduction, dreams, and remote viewing encounters with the extraterrestrials, then there are these sects out there that all claims we have huge armadas of “UFO”s flying out there with tall blond people spitting out wisdom from their bridges to us poor unwitting mortals.

Again this is a load of serotonin junkies and they feed on your dream that there should be something unexplained out there or something, just something outside your door that is not corporate media or drone manufactured and flown by our men and women in uniform.

Listen after 20 years I should know, people stop this madness and do not feed the forum trolls unless it is something sharp, and clearly not a drone. No one helps anyone to solve this mystery if there everyone claims, or feeding it with stuff that simply isn’t anything as this field of study today is completely wrecked and impossible to follow I ask the community to take up arms for the truth and as each and everyone of us can help cleaning this phenomenon out I ask everyone to take a step back, wait, see, study, or go see a Dr. so we can have something that is not simply hearsay or figments of the imagination.

Thank you…
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UFOs are either natural phenomena, or mis-identified human craft. Aliens are not visiting Earth. These are inconvenient truths that kOOks worldwide will never accept.
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the "it's your imagination" vs. "it's real" is a primitive way to see thinks born from duality consciousness.
if you study metaphysics, you will see that things can exist and not exist at the same time. reality and imagination are one and the same.


aliens exist and don't exist at the same time. they are though forms, figments of our imagination. but they take real physical form in higher realms and dimensions. the dimensions that we are not privy to, are where our dreams come true. sometimes the two worlds cross into each other.

i can see past all these bullshit videos, and bullshit claims and arguments. the only thing that matters is the process. see how the process unfolds. more sightings, more awareness of the phenomenon. behind the apparent random circumstances, all processes in nature are going slow but sure, and in the end they culminate with the 'real' thing happening.
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the "it's your imagination" vs. "it's real" is a primitive way to see thinks born from duality consciousness.
if you study metaphysics, you will see that things can exist and not exist at the same time. reality and imagination are one and the same.


aliens exist and don't exist at the same time. they are though forms, figments of our imagination. but they take real physical form in higher realms and dimensions. the dimensions that we are not privy to, are where our dreams come true. sometimes the two worlds cross into each other.

i can see past all these bullshit videos, and bullshit claims and arguments. the only thing that matters is the process. see how the process unfolds. more sightings, more awareness of the phenomenon. behind the apparent random circumstances, all processes in nature are going slow but sure, and in the end they culminate with the 'real' thing happening.
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I've studied metaphysics, and what you have written here is pure bsflag

If it can't be proved it ain't worth shit.
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08/01/2009 05:13 AM
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This is a small list of renowned experts who would find you to be delusional, irrational, and just plain backwards.

"I've been asked about UFO's and I've said publicly I thought they were somebody else, some other civilization."
--Commander Eugene Cernan, Commanded the Apollo 17 Mission. (LA TIMES, 1973)

"We have contact with alien cultures."
--Astronaut Dr. Brian O'leary

"UFO sightings are now so common, the military doesn't have time to worry about them - so they screen them out. The major defense systems have UFO filters built into them, and when a UFO appears, they simply ignore it."
--Lee Katchen (former atmospheric physicist with NASA)

We all know that UFOs are real. All we need to ask is where do they come from, and what do they want?"
--Apollo 14 Astronaut Capt. Edgar Mitchell


"All Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence."
--Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems.

"At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs."
--NASA's Scott Carpenter

When asked if he believed that UFO's were real;"Yes as a matter of fact I do." He was also asked if he had ever seen a UFO and he said he had, on his Gemini mission. He went on to say that he tried to take a picture of it, but it did not come out.
--Brigadier Gen. James Mc Divitt command pilot of the Gemini space craft. (This interview can be seen on a video tape called Beyond Belief, from United Entertainment, Inc. 1986.)

"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFOs come from and what their purpose is. I can tell you, behind the scenes, high ranking military officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs"
--Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter (Former director of the Central Intelligence Agency)


And of course, you missed the information about President Eisenhower meeting with ET's at
Holloman AFB/WhiteSands.
[link to ufoblogger.blogspot.com]


And of course, you know better than the Bible, the Bhagavad Ghita, the Pope, the Sumerians, the Egyptians, the Mayans, Aztecs, Incas, Native American Indians, world leaders, heads of state, military and commercial pilots, NASA, the astronauts of the US, Russia & Japan, naval commanders, generals, and tens of millions of educated people who have their own proof.

But of course, they are all delusional because you say so.
laugh

You are delusional, irrational, uneducated, lacking in common sense. You are added to the Woowoo's list.
Took your brains out, played with them, and don't remember where you put them. No surprise there.
laugh

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I've studied metaphysics, and what you have written here is pure bsflag

If it can't be proved it ain't worth shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 739281


looks like you haven't learned anything then.

proof and evidence? worth?

paranormal is by definition what is beyond normal.

the keyword here is beyond.

nothing current can provide evidence for what is beyond. unless the beyond becomes current and then it is no longer paranormal.

thus the line between current and beyond is absolute and impossible to cross unless it happens spontaneously, like a miracle.

thus I would never be able to provide any evidence to you about the paranormal if you did not spontaneously started to believe in it, or if you spontaneously had a paranormal experience yourself. this is something that is ultimately in the hands of 'god' because only 'god' can make miracles.
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08/01/2009 05:19 AM
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reality is entirely dependent on perception. it doesn't matter how much you try to prove to someone that something is true of false based only on your perception, because it varies from being to being. the true reality is a blurry world where everything is a flux of possibilities to be chosen according to likeness or desire.

but our consensus reality on Earth is a prison for the individual mind, because the things that are real for the collective mind must be sustained by firm belief from every individual mind. so the individual mind must be kept in check and not doubt (study, research, question) the current beliefs or seek new beliefs. this is why there is so much resistance for new ways of thinking and the need for 'proof' and 'evidence' to keep validating consensus reality and restrict individual reality.

What lies between the collective and individual minds is the paranormal mind, experienced / explored only by some and only sometimes. The paranormal reality is the true reality, because it's the bridge between the other two, that are extrapolations. The paranormal bridge is the way to reach and convince other minds trapped in the collective trance. the fact that we have a paranormal community on Earth is a sign that this bridge has been built already and may one day break the collective trance.
Huginn (OP)
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If it can't be proven beyond all reasonable doubt with crystal clear photographic evidence, film, multiple witnesses it should simply be brushed away as figments of the imagination.

I am talking about evidence that can be validated through a set of at least three independent boards. If it’s only locked to our subconsciousness there is no hard evidence and therefore it does not contribute to solve this phenomenon at all. Cleaning these I thought I saw, or I saw Ashtar Command baptising my kid stories away, clean the field for real evidence brush away the want to be so hard special away and help solving something is what this plead is for.

True lots, of historical evidence out there that something were going on I am not saying this is simply subconsciousness playing tricks with history however to prove anything they got to go through the test of time, and today as pointed out already in this thread this phenomenon is very much dependent on perception a truth that cant be brushed away either.

But this is not such a plead, I ask all perception being put away for hard evidence, yes there is evidence out there that can’t be explained away, I think I said so in my original post. What I am raising my fist at is the UFO franchise to not feed the forum troll.

Do you really want to know what is moving around in the sky?

Do you want to know who is visiting grandma at nights?

Do you want the truth or do you want someone perception?

I am certainly not interested in someone’s individual take on everything, I want evidence, I want things no matter how unlikely to be confirmed in a down to earth way.

There are UFO out there and there is probably even extraterrestrials out there, but now I want them to be visualised in a way so it can’t be explained away as someone’s imagination or fictitious figments of someone’s imagination, I do not want to hear the ba ba I want evidence.

By closing our minds around one thought or perception won’t get us anywhere but on the same time we win more then we loose as you wont be able to brush it away as easy.

Fair enough?
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UFOs are either natural phenomena, or mis-identified human craft. Aliens are not visiting Earth. These are inconvenient truths that kOOks worldwide will never accept.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 739281

Im sorry but have you not seen the video's of Area 51?
With the light whizzing around the sky then stopping then landing and then taking off at 50000 mph?
If these are human craft, then they are unknown human craft.
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08/01/2009 06:08 AM
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UFOs are UFO's. Unidentified flying objects.

They could be anything.

I have a hunch that most are probably "ours"

And as someone else said, if they were Aliens they don't need any help from the Government to cover them up. They do a pretty darn good job of it themselves.

If a Alien race was to make official public first contact with millions of people then I would be very concerned. Any advanced civilization that thinks that humanity is ready for that kind of jolt can not be that civilized.

In my optimistic view I think that humanity will be ready for full on contact with Aliens in about 500 years time.
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the words evidence and proof are products of rationality (reasons, facts, cause and effect), and unfortunately stuff like paranormal phenomena are beyond rationality.

logic and rationality have a limit, and this limit is called 'paradox'.

thus any paranormal phenomena is both true and untrue at the same time, because they are ultimately linked to consciousness which means that they are entirely relative to individual perception: one person may see it, but the majority never does. thus the person can never convince the majority.

thus there is never 'evidence' about anything that escapes the consensus reality. there is only evidence when the majority agrees and shares the same factual reality.

I repeat: reasoning, rationality and logic are all facets of the same closed system called linear thinking.

linear thinking is irrelevant and useless to understand paradoxes, which is the essence of paranormal phenomena and metaphysical concepts. in fact, there is nothing to understand about paradoxes. you can only experience them.

all humans have limits of energy and the only reason why certain miracles don't happen is because no one has the energy to make it happen.

energy is a fucking absolute variable in the universe. insufficient energy = insufficient work, knowledge, information, understanding.

The holes that you point out are answered with metaphysical concepts. indeed there is lack of concise information about all of this. "occult" knowledge takes more energy to explain than mainstream knowledge.

do you realize that when you say that you want evidence and proof you are actually telling me to work harder?

As I said the problem is energy, the capacity do to work.

evidence represents that threshold in perception where things suddenly become clearer/factual. but ultimately it takes energy to reach that threshold.

We all have to work harder. what is your point? only because we are not able to go to the heart of the matter, we should just drop everything and assume that it's all 'imagination'? this is ridiculous. you rely on too much rhetoric.
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you are just telling us to work harder. OK we TRY IT EVERYDAY. you need to work your ass to extremes to get evidence about anything. see what happened to gary mackinnon.
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you cannot expect any ufo buff to come up with 'evidence'. evidence takes energy. most humans have ordinary levels of energy. the person will only come up with bullshit that keeps the fire burning. real evidence will only come when collective consciousness is ready to digest ET life. until there, you can try to get your own evidence without getting killed, jailed. my guess is that you will have to become like superman.
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UFOs are either natural phenomena, or mis-identified human craft. Aliens are not visiting Earth. These are inconvenient truths that kOOks worldwide will never accept.
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bsflag

I've seen one of their ships close up. It is not from this world that they came -- the thing I saw looked like this:

[link to www.ufoevidence.org]

and made NO sound as it flew overhead and then took off at impossible speed to disappear on the horizon in seconds.
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bsflag

I've seen one of their ships close up. It is not from this world that they came -- the thing I saw looked like this:

[link to www.ufoevidence.org]

and made NO sound as it flew overhead and then took off at impossible speed to disappear on the horizon in seconds.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 738755


i had a very strange lucid dream with greys when i was a pre-teen. i woke up in a different part of the house.
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A native tribe living in a jungle clearing in New Guinea with no knowledge of the outside world but occasionally seeing a jetliner passing high above would no doubt speculate what kind of phenomenon they are. Some, like the OP, would no doubt say that the blobs of light passing high above are just some unknown birds or other natural phenomenona and demand proof that they are anything else. The more imaginative tribe members may say that these could be man made things but then the sceptics point out that the world obviously is just jungle and the few people in it like their neighbour tribes clearly cannot build flying things.

Boy are they in for a surprise....
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you also probably think the earth is 6000 years old
and was build in 6 days huh

dumb ass
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A native tribe living in a jungle clearing in New Guinea with no knowledge of the outside world but occasionally seeing a jetliner passing high above would no doubt speculate what kind of phenomenon they are. Some, like the OP, would no doubt say that the blobs of light passing high above are just some unknown birds or other natural phenomenona and demand proof that they are anything else. The more imaginative tribe members may say that these could be man made things but then the sceptics point out that the world obviously is just jungle and the few people in it like their neighbour tribes clearly cannot build flying things.

Boy are they in for a surprise....
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amazing stuff

pin this post mods.
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we know ufos are real , i expect many here myself included have seen them . with the known history of nazi ufos it is certain these craft are man made but they utilise some unknown technology.
are these ufos limited to flying in our atmosphere or are they capable of space travel ?
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Look all this is just hoaxes or misinterpreted natural phenomenon or experimental drone aircrafts or new fighter/bombers, your brains are simply feed with serotonin and many of you are addicted to this substance just like elite sportsmen are addicted to their training.

If there were anything to this UFO phenomenon we would have seen it by now.

This is a statement. For well over 20 years I have watched the skies, during this time I have seen two unexplainable aerial phenomenon’s that I can beyond all reasonable doubt not explain away with natural phenomenon or man made crafts.

Today U.S launches Predator drone crafts from the U.S killing Taliban fighters in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq. The project Predator is like everything else out there, if they shows it for the cameras there is something much, much more advanced already in the works. Forget about all blurry or shaky claimed “UFO” sightings.

The days of those are dead. If its blurry, if its taken from afar without you being able to confirm or Identify it right away as a non human made craft do not bother with posting it on numerous “UFO” sites and try to prove it being something real and not fictitious.

UFO is today a pure franchise where people feeding on others serotonin kicks as they spit out books, movies, calendars with bits of truth, history and mixes of unprecedented fantasy and sometimes even insanity and figments of the imagination.

There astonish few out there that can’t be brushed away as hoaxes, or fantasy, insane or figments of the imagination. They have spoken; they are true; their sightings however have not been fictitious or imaginary. These very few, should not be franchised upon as those few are the ones that truly can help solve this phenomenon.

While there are thousands of want to be sightings and pure figments of the imagination out there, today that makes studies of this impossible without studying each and every claim to be sure we have a “UFO” out there thanks to all these people that claims contact, abduction, dreams, and remote viewing encounters with the extraterrestrials, then there are these sects out there that all claims we have huge armadas of “UFO”s flying out there with tall blond people spitting out wisdom from their bridges to us poor unwitting mortals.

Again this is a load of serotonin junkies and they feed on your dream that there should be something unexplained out there or something, just something outside your door that is not corporate media or drone manufactured and flown by our men and women in uniform.

Listen after 20 years I should know, people stop this madness and do not feed the forum trolls unless it is something sharp, and clearly not a drone. No one helps anyone to solve this mystery if there everyone claims, or feeding it with stuff that simply isn’t anything as this field of study today is completely wrecked and impossible to follow I ask the community to take up arms for the truth and as each and everyone of us can help cleaning this phenomenon out I ask everyone to take a step back, wait, see, study, or go see a Dr. so we can have something that is not simply hearsay or figments of the imagination.

Thank you…
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WAKE THE FUCK UP! lmao, some peoples children

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