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>>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen

 
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>>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
[link to green.venturebeat.com]

either a hoax, or
a lot of physicists are gonna eat crow.
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
For background, BlackLight says it lowers the energy level of hydrogen atoms below ground state — something most scientists have deemed impossible. For this reason, many have speculated that BLP’s process is nothing more than an elaborate hoax.
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
if you really want to get into the physics behind it, then here's a research paper from Blacklight [link to www.blacklightpower.com]
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
[link to green.venturebeat.com]

either a hoax, or
a lot of physicists are gonna eat crow.
 Quoting: dogbert 673526


I'd say 'monumental scam'. Or, alternatively: all of quantum mechanics needs to be completely rewritten. Because the ground state of hydrogen follows directly from the Schrodinger wave equation, and there simply is no lower state.

Of course the diagram of the process shows solid fuel being burned in a furnace like in any ordinary power plant, with no indication of what if anything the 'dihydrino gas' is supposed to be doing. And the alleged utility firm that's bought into this... appears to actually be a real estate developer.
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
OK it gets deeper. Ive just trawled through some of their papers.

For their novel energy process to even work, you have to believe that their own THEORY OF EVERYTHING is true. Named GRAND UNIFIED THEORY OF CLASSICAL PHYSICS, in which the equation results match that of pehnomena observed from quarks to the cosmos in chemistry and physics. Their theory also includes important predictions. 2 that lower energy (fractional states) of hydrogen theoretically exist, AND the existence of a FIFTH force of nature, beyond magnetism, gravity and the strong and weak nuclear forces. To prove this, in 1995 Mills predicted that the expansion of the universe was expanding from the same equations that predicted the mass of the TOP QUARK before it was measured. To the astonishment of cosmologists this was confirmed by 2000.
Mills made another prediction about the nature of dark matter basted on their GUTCP theory. They predicted that the dark matter is actually HYDROGEN in a dense molecular form that somehow behaves in a way that it is unobservable except by its gravitational effects. Based on recent evidence its close to be confirmed also. Its a type of "molecular hydrino".

Ok so based up on their own THEORY OF EVERYTHING they have also predicted that Hydrogen can exist in lower energy states than its normal ground state. And that a resonant non radiative energy transfer between an other wise stable H atom can be accepted by a CATALYST. That catalyst is apparently Atomic Lithium and Sodium Hydride. Apparently. But i don't claim to fully understand their physics papers. But the bigger story is really that they have a GUT and they have made predictions that have proven true. This could mean a new paradigm of physics and technology advancement.
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
ok, somebody has to ask it:

if we use water for power,

how do we replace the water?

we can't make more of it.
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
For background, BlackLight says it lowers the energy level of hydrogen atoms below ground state — something most scientists have deemed impossible. For this reason, many have speculated that BLP’s process is nothing more than an elaborate hoax.
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Curious that they can't demonstrate this below ground state effect to physicists. There is a Nobel in it if they can do the trick, and every physicist wants to win a Nobel.

Scam? Perhaps not, could be simple error.
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
Scientist just now found a new form of matter from blasting Al with high energy lasers.
Doesn't mean this is true or false but you never know what secrets mother nature has in store for the ones looking in the right place.

I studied over the concept of Brown's Gas and found it very convincing but it is not being developed past the 2 car garage it was conceived in, why?

Because Exxon/Mobile doesn't own the copywrite...
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
Scientist just now found a new form of matter from blasting Al with high energy lasers.
Doesn't mean this is true or false but you never know what secrets mother nature has in store for the ones looking in the right place.

I studied over the concept of Brown's Gas and found it very convincing but it is not being developed past the 2 car garage it was conceived in, why?

Because Exxon/Mobile doesn't own the copywrite...
 Quoting: Snift



Is that anything like a copyright?
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
Scientist just now found a new form of matter from blasting Al with high energy lasers.
Doesn't mean this is true or false but you never know what secrets mother nature has in store for the ones looking in the right place.

I studied over the concept of Brown's Gas and found it very convincing but it is not being developed past the 2 car garage it was conceived in, why?

Because Exxon/Mobile doesn't own the copywrite...
 Quoting: Snift


Re above,

I know someone that has installed a H2O unit on his car, he has achieved a 20% increase in MPG. If you read the theory, it shouldn't work, the extra power required to run the H2O unit should be more than the power released in the splitting of the H from the H2O. But it does work........perhaps making the petroleum mix more efficient in its burn? I don't know, but it DOES appear to work, which is all that should matter.
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
I studied over the concept of Brown's Gas and found it very convincing but it is not being developed past the 2 car garage it was conceived in, why?
 Quoting: Snift


Brown's Gas?...

* quick look-up *

Mix of hydrogen and oxygen in 2:1 molar ratio. Well, it'll burn all right. But I don't see it as a fuel source, unless you've discovered a hydrogen well somewhere.
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
Because Exxon/Mobile doesn't own the copywrite...

Is that anything like a copyright?
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No idea. From the context, I presumed it must be something more like a patent.
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
ok, somebody has to ask it:

if we use water for power,

how do we replace the water?

we can't make more of it.
 Quoting: dogbert 673526

It uses water, for the source of hydrogen, and like electrolysis the hydrogen atoms are seperated from the oxygen, at no point are the atoms destroyed, apparently they just take advantage of a shift in position of the orbiting electron, in to a lower energy state. A lot of energy is given off in that shift. And they apparently observed its signature in the infra red spectrum, and also observed its signature in the energy of the catalyst material which absorbs it.
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
Because Exxon/Mobile doesn't own the copywrite...

Is that anything like a copyright?


No idea. From the context, I presumed it must be something more like a patent.
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A copyright is quite different from a patent.

A copyright covers written work, music, films and the like while a patent allows the owner exclusive use of a process, machine or system. Quite different things, quite different laws cover them.

There is, to the best of my knowledge, no such thing as a copywrite.
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
I studied over the concept of Brown's Gas and found it very convincing but it is not being developed past the 2 car garage it was conceived in, why?


Brown's Gas?...

* quick look-up *

Mix of hydrogen and oxygen in 2:1 molar ratio. Well, it'll burn all right. But I don't see it as a fuel source, unless you've discovered a hydrogen well somewhere.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 660262



Theres more too it, its 7:30am and i'm only awake because of tons of coffee so bear with me,
It turns water into HHO (not H2O, but H+HO) and some how burns at only 200-300F until in contact with a catylist like steel, then the hydrogen oxide ramps its temp up drasticly.

I can't explain it very well with one eye closed :P Just look up the patents for it, interesting stuff
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
It turns water into HHO (not H2O, but H+HO) and some how burns at only 200-300F until in contact with a catylist like steel, then the hydrogen oxide ramps its temp up drasticly.
 Quoting: Snift


Well, you might derive energy from burning the steel, but that wouldn't be a catalyst. If the steel isn't consumed, then you're splitting water and then burning the gas to get water back again; you might claim to get energy out by doing that, but I'll bet on the first law of thermodynamics every time.
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
Oxyhydrogen is produced in an independently ducted electrolyzer (substantially separate anodes and cathodes). It can also be produced using bottle (tanked) hydrogen and oxygen. Any electrolyzer that is designed according to common ducted parameters will not produce pure oxyhydrogen. The results of common ducted electrolysis is the formation of small quantities of hydrogen and oxygen molecular formations other than solely diatomic structures; oxyhydrogen, according to strict chemical stoichiometry, is a mixture of ONLY diatomic hydrogen and diatomic oxygen. Common ducted oxyhydrogen (Brown’s Gas), on the other hand, contains predominantly H2 and O2, but a variety of other viable molecular formations that account for the substantial temperature differential between the two flames; a higher entropy content is a reasonable means of accounting for this property. Entropy is a parameter of a substance quantitative of the degree of molecular disorder. Considering that Entropy times (*/x/multiplied) with the temperature of the substance yield a unit of energy other than solely the direct enthalpy content. It is theorized that the entropy content of Brown’s Gas is greater than that of pure oxyhydrogen; given the inversely proportional relationship between entropy and temperature, as entropy increase the temperature of the substance must decrease to be consistent with the 1’st Law of Thermodynamics (Conservation of Energy). Thus the increased entropy of Brown’s Gas pushed the flame temperature substantially down; this can be revered saying that the observed, relatively low, temperature of the Brown’s Gas flame can be accounted for by an substantial increase in entropy.

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Got news for you folks. This is not Browns gas, in fact its nothing like it. Its closer to cold fusion, than it is to browns gas.

Its also based on a new Theory Of Everything.
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
if these guys can do it,

then great.

if not, then at least they tried.

never surrender to the monopoly.
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
if these guys can do it,

then great.

if not, then at least they tried.

never surrender to the monopoly.
 Quoting: dogbert 673526


But remember Irving Langmuir he also managed to free energy as heat and hydrogen from warter using tunsten as the catalyst. The process is described by Nickolas Moller in book "Irving Langmuir and atomic Hydrogen". Therefore there i a highh probability that the process claimed by BLP is real and true.

Irving Langmuir was the chief scientist at General Electric in the first half of 1900. He recieved the Nobel Prize in 1932.
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
Scientist just now found a new form of matter from blasting Al with high energy lasers.
Doesn't mean this is true or false but you never know what secrets mother nature has in store for the ones looking in the right place.

I studied over the concept of Brown's Gas and found it very convincing but it is not being developed past the 2 car garage it was conceived in, why?

Because Exxon/Mobile doesn't own the copywrite...


Re above,

I know someone that has installed a H2O unit on his car, he has achieved a 20% increase in MPG. If you read the theory, it shouldn't work, the extra power required to run the H2O unit should be more than the power released in the splitting of the H from the H2O. But it does work........perhaps making the petroleum mix more efficient in its burn? I don't know, but it DOES appear to work, which is all that should matter.
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It does work. Mine has never made it past a one car garage, but my new design gives a 1995 Chevy full size with extended cab and 305 engine an average of 27 MPG. It only got 14-16 at best before I started playing. This is no quart jar job either. Takes about $600.00 to do it right.
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Re: >>>> Blacklight power: 1000x the energy of burning hydrogen
Scientist just now found a new form of matter from blasting Al with high energy lasers.
Doesn't mean this is true or false but you never know what secrets mother nature has in store for the ones looking in the right place.

I studied over the concept of Brown's Gas and found it very convincing but it is not being developed past the 2 car garage it was conceived in, why?

Because Exxon/Mobile doesn't own the copywrite...


Re above,

I know someone that has installed a H2O unit on his car, he has achieved a 20% increase in MPG. If you read the theory, it shouldn't work, the extra power required to run the H2O unit should be more than the power released in the splitting of the H from the H2O. But it does work........perhaps making the petroleum mix more efficient in its burn? I don't know, but it DOES appear to work, which is all that should matter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 689131


Doesn't adding H2O to the engine just increase the amount of Oxygen into the equation allowing for additional oxidisation of the hydrocarbons resulting in more power being generated?

I don't get it, why wouldn't it work?
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