How did we launch a spaceship from the moon back to Earth?? | |
LouisWinthorpeIII User ID: 708377 United States 08/02/2009 08:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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esp23 (OP) User ID: 738405 United States 08/02/2009 09:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | gravity is a bitch if you don't understand it. Quoting: LouisWinthorpeIIIisn't there less gravity on the moon? wouldn't this be taken in to account when launching back to Earth? or would it make it easier? WE LIVE IN THE EVER TRANSITIONAL MOMENT CONNECTING PAST THROUGH PRESENT TO FUTURE. |
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Creepster User ID: 705142 Denmark 08/02/2009 09:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | gravity is a bitch if you don't understand it. Quoting: esp23isn't there less gravity on the moon? wouldn't this be taken in to account when launching back to Earth? or would it make it easier? The moon has 1/6 of earth gravity, so a lot less energy is needed to launch and land there. Orbital mechanics and gravity. it's fun stuff. I asume the OP is a troll, since this is covered in most documentaries. |
esp23 (OP) User ID: 738405 United States 08/02/2009 09:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just because I haven't researched this subject properly doesn't mean i'm a troll. I was having a conversation last night about this with someone and they were wondering too. I figure someone would know here. I asume the OP is a troll, since this is covered in most documentaries. Quoting: Creepster 705142WE LIVE IN THE EVER TRANSITIONAL MOMENT CONNECTING PAST THROUGH PRESENT TO FUTURE. |
RF User ID: 503158 United States 08/02/2009 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The moon lacks 2 things that make space travel difficult on Earth. First is, of course, our stronger gravity. We need to overcome the force of gravity to get a ship out to space. Second, and maybe more importantly, is our atmosphere. The ship has to punch a hole through the air at around 13,000 MPH. And our atmosphere goes up a long way so you need a lot of thrust to get through it all. The moon lacks an atmosphere so even on its surface, there is no air to have to pass through. It is a vacuum. In theory, a strong pitcher could throw a ball right off of the moon. It's gravity is so weak, only about 1/3 of Earths. And the truth is, our own gravity isn't a very strong force, it's just a CONSTANT force. Hope this helps a little |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 740130 Australia 08/02/2009 09:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | gravity is a bitch if you don't understand it. Quoting: Creepster 705142isn't there less gravity on the moon? wouldn't this be taken in to account when launching back to Earth? or would it make it easier? The moon has 1/6 of earth gravity, so a lot less energy is needed to launch and land there. Orbital mechanics and gravity. it's fun stuff. I asume the OP is a troll, since this is covered in most documentaries. so therefore you would need 1/6 of the power needed to launch off the earth. but yet the Saturn 5 had 3 stages. hmmmm |
Creepster User ID: 705142 Denmark 08/02/2009 09:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just because I haven't researched this subject properly doesn't mean i'm a troll. I was having a conversation last night about this with someone and they were wondering too. I figure someone would know here. Quoting: esp23This is truly the most knowing place on the intarwebs. Try google next time |
tvtech3 User ID: 729588 United States 08/02/2009 09:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If thats the case then why when the nauts were driving the moon rovers around and kicking up the dirt from taking sharp turns as in all of the rovers videos,, why is it that that dirt/dust kicked up falls right back down exactly as it would here on earth? If the gravilty was as its suppose to be than the dirt/dust would still be airborne right now just as yur ball I have posted this several times and never an answer |
LouisWinthorpeIII User ID: 708377 United States 08/02/2009 09:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | gravity is a bitch if you don't understand it. Quoting: esp23isn't there less gravity on the moon? wouldn't this be taken in to account when launching back to Earth? or would it make it easier? 1/6th that of earth. So they don't need all the towers, massive rockets etc... Just as the moon lander doesn't need heat shields (no atmosphere) nor could it use parachutes (no atmosphere!). "I don't know which was scarier...the speech...or the Congress cheering it. He evoked Lincoln. Whenever a President is going to get us into serious trouble...they always use Lincoln." -2010 |
Creepster User ID: 705142 Denmark 08/02/2009 09:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so therefore you would need 1/6 of the power needed to launch off the earth. but yet the Saturn 5 had 3 stages. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 740130hmmmm Try reading the other posters post. something about an atmosphere. It also had to lift the weight of the fuel needed for punching through the atmosphere, and the stages them selves. Are you really that uneducated? |
LouisWinthorpeIII User ID: 708377 United States 08/02/2009 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so therefore you would need 1/6 of the power needed to launch off the earth. but yet the Saturn 5 had 3 stages. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 740130hmmmm Yeah to launch from earth. But don't let something like celestial mechanics get in the way of a conspiracy. "I don't know which was scarier...the speech...or the Congress cheering it. He evoked Lincoln. Whenever a President is going to get us into serious trouble...they always use Lincoln." -2010 |
Creepster User ID: 705142 Denmark 08/02/2009 09:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If thats the case then why when the nauts were driving the moon rovers around and kicking up the dirt from taking sharp turns as in all of the rovers videos,, why is it that that dirt/dust kicked up falls right back down exactly as it would here on earth? Quoting: tvtech3If the gravilty was as its suppose to be than the dirt/dust would still be airborne right now just as yur ball I have posted this several times and never an answer 1/6th gravity, they would fall back to the surface. and without friction from air |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 740134 India 08/02/2009 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If thats the case then why when the nauts were driving the moon rovers around and kicking up the dirt from taking sharp turns as in all of the rovers videos,, why is it that that dirt/dust kicked up falls right back down exactly as it would here on earth? Quoting: tvtech3If the gravilty was as its suppose to be than the dirt/dust would still be airborne right now just as yur ball I have posted this several times and never an answer Post a video - lets take a look. |
tvtech3 User ID: 729588 United States 08/02/2009 09:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If thats the case then why when the nauts were driving the moon rovers around and kicking up the dirt from taking sharp turns as in all of the rovers videos,, why is it that that dirt/dust kicked up falls right back down exactly as it would here on earth? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 740134If the gravilty was as its suppose to be than the dirt/dust would still be airborne right now just as yur ball I have posted this several times and never an answer Post a video - lets take a look. here ya go [link to video.google.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 740130 Australia 08/02/2009 09:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so therefore you would need 1/6 of the power needed to launch off the earth. but yet the Saturn 5 had 3 stages. Quoting: Creepster 705142hmmmm Try reading the other posters post. something about an atmosphere. It also had to lift the weight of the fuel needed for punching through the atmosphere, and the stages them selves. Are you really that uneducated? Lunar Lander Ascent Propulsion System (N2O4/Aerozine 50) x 1: 3,500 lbf ea 15.6 kN Total for the Saturn V close to 9,000,000 lbf. It does seem a big difference. |
Creepster User ID: 705142 Denmark 08/02/2009 09:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: tvtech3 The dust DOES NOT fall like it does here on earth. only way to fake it would be to shoot it at high rate, and play it back slowly. |
tvtech3 User ID: 729588 United States 08/02/2009 09:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | here ya go Quoting: Creepster 705142[link to video.google.com] The dust DOES NOT fall like it does here on earth. only way to fake it would be to shoot it at high rate, and play it back slowly. Well i was born raised in the country and always driving 2/wheelers/4 wheelers/swamp buggies etc and the dirt we threw up in the air fell down just as what the moon rovers are doing, actually many times the dust would go into the air and stay for hours at a time |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 740130 Australia 08/02/2009 09:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so therefore you would need 1/6 of the power needed to launch off the earth. but yet the Saturn 5 had 3 stages. Quoting: Creepster 705142hmmmm Try reading the other posters post. something about an atmosphere. It also had to lift the weight of the fuel needed for punching through the atmosphere, and the stages them selves. Are you really that uneducated? To punch though the atmosphere the burn time is longer but to get the mass in motion in the first place would not have to worry about the atmosphere until it was moving |
LouisWinthorpeIII User ID: 708377 United States 08/02/2009 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so therefore you would need 1/6 of the power needed to launch off the earth. but yet the Saturn 5 had 3 stages. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 740130hmmmm Try reading the other posters post. something about an atmosphere. It also had to lift the weight of the fuel needed for punching through the atmosphere, and the stages them selves. Are you really that uneducated? Lunar Lander Ascent Propulsion System (N2O4/Aerozine 50) x 1: 3,500 lbf ea 15.6 kN Total for the Saturn V close to 9,000,000 lbf. It does seem a big difference. You do realize that the Saturn V rocket is gone by now, and the only thing that would need to take off is the ascent portion of the lunar lander, right???? "I don't know which was scarier...the speech...or the Congress cheering it. He evoked Lincoln. Whenever a President is going to get us into serious trouble...they always use Lincoln." -2010 |
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LouisWinthorpeIII User ID: 708377 United States 08/02/2009 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | here ya go Quoting: tvtech3[link to video.google.com] The dust DOES NOT fall like it does here on earth. only way to fake it would be to shoot it at high rate, and play it back slowly. Well i was born raised in the country and always driving 2/wheelers/4 wheelers/swamp buggies etc and the dirt we threw up in the air fell down just as what the moon rovers are doing, actually many times the dust would go into the air and stay for hours at a time On the moon there is no air. A leaf, feather, dust, hammer all fall at the same rate. "I don't know which was scarier...the speech...or the Congress cheering it. He evoked Lincoln. Whenever a President is going to get us into serious trouble...they always use Lincoln." -2010 |
Creepster User ID: 705142 Denmark 08/02/2009 09:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To punch though the atmosphere the burn time is longer but to get the mass in motion in the first place would not have to worry about the atmosphere until it was moving Quoting: Anonymous Coward 740130What htey hell are you trying to say? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 740130 Australia 08/02/2009 09:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i still wonder why if it was so easy to get the lander etc back from the moon, why have we not been going back and forth to the moon for years. It seems the space shuttle could have been shuttling bits up to orbit and launching moon missions from there. its a vacum with no atmosphere, after all. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 708904 Canada 08/02/2009 09:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | on the same topic. how did they initiate combustion of the lander engines in the moon without o2 in the air.. was the lander really that big to carry enough o2 for both regular consumption as well as to fuel its engines through the whole trip (to and from)? not to mention have you looked at the technology available at the time? how where they able to successfully coordinate a reattachement of the lander to the orbiting component? not to mention. how the hell could that paper thin lander survive the amount of radiation flowing in space? or the coldness of space, if i remember correctly they didn't wear the "suits" 24/7. and lastly. just watch the movie.. anyone who can watch that today and still belive in it obviously belives that old kung fu movies are real too, and maybe even santa. heres a tip watch the moon landing video and speed it up a little bit. the movements from the austronauts will make more sense. |
Wraithwynd User ID: 717743 United States 08/02/2009 09:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Hows and Whys of Space Flight are covered in Elementry School Level science and even touched upon in history classes. Things like action and reaction are covered and so to are elementry level explinations about the size and gravity of the moon and how that was used to the advantage of the appollo space missions. Since you do not know much about space vehicles, then might I suggest a trip to your local library? There are tons of books on the subject with lots and lots of diagrams, graphs and even illutrations and pictures. Coming here to GLP with this sort of question is going to lead to your getting bad information and will ultimately lead to fights on the subject of Hoax - No Hoax. This last is important because folk will see your questions as trolling. Sinkhole list: Thread: Sinkholes Updated 28 Dec 2010 find a sinkhole, add it to this thread, please. "Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15, NKJV). |