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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 176832
8/3/2009 11:13 PM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
I've often wondered whether or not the people who poured scorn over Noah's warnings, actually, secretly took him seriously, hence their hostile reactions.
I mean, truly, if someone was talking nonsense and you knew it for certain, would you need to denigrate, undermine or oppose him or what he says?
Why would people simply ignore common sense logical statements, without even attempting to understand what is being said first?
Is it possible that the sophisticated, worldly people, who were so happy in their lives and satisfied in their world, simply opposed the idea that change was coming, because they knew it too?
Would there have been people who dedicated their time to convincing other people to ignore Noah or anyone like him, simply because they wanted everyone to be corrupt (acting against the will of The Creator), hoping that were this so, there'd be no moral authority in the celestial realm?
What do you think? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 741433
Jesus said they did not know.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. |
| phil
User ID: 741499
8/4/2009 1:31 AM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
I know i am straying away from the thread but lets discuss what some people believe occurred.
If Noah took on the ark the basic genius of each species that existed today, it is quiet possible Adaptations occurred over time. Such as a person standing in the sun too long and their shin getting darker. Is this evolution?? no just varying adaptations to the specific environment
As for the Chinese the oldest records in the mountains of Tibet and China whom they themselves say the ancients wrote refer to a landmass in the middle of current day Pacific. No i am not referring to Atlantis but the large continent of Mu or Lemuria and for the ancients to know of this land mass the oceans would have had to have been much lower.
A possible explanation for this exists in the bible it is even a scientific established fact in some scientific communities. Genesis 1: 7 "Then god proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse." This is the canopy concept Genesis 2: 6 states that dew would cover the earth every morning to water the fields.
How did the Aztecs Incas and Mayans migrate after the flood you ask??? After the canopy collapsed on the earth the coldness of space or a polar shift or even our earth tilting on a 23.5 degree axis could have made the north and south poles(where tropical plant material was found suggesting tropic zones at the poles even more evidence)turn to absolute zero, freezing miles of water almost instantly making our present day glaciers. Is it crazy to think that ancient American Indians simply migrated after the tower of Babels collapse?? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 741765
8/4/2009 4:02 AM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
I've often wondered whether or not the people who poured scorn over Noah's warnings, actually, secretly took him seriously, hence their hostile reactions.
I mean, truly, if someone was talking nonsense and you knew it for certain, would you need to denigrate, undermine or oppose him or what he says?
Why would people simply ignore common sense logical statements, without even attempting to understand what is being said first?
Is it possible that the sophisticated, worldly people, who were so happy in their lives and satisfied in their world, simply opposed the idea that change was coming, because they knew it too?
Would there have been people who dedicated their time to convincing other people to ignore Noah or anyone like him, simply because they wanted everyone to be corrupt (acting against the will of The Creator), hoping that were this so, there'd be no moral authority in the celestial realm?
What do you think?
Jesus said they did not know.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 176832
True.
Only he is informing people himself, so people know. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 741765
8/4/2009 4:06 AM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
I know i am straying away from the thread but lets discuss what some people believe occurred.
If Noah took on the ark the basic genius of each species that existed today, it is quiet possible Adaptations occurred over time. Such as a person standing in the sun too long and their shin getting darker. Is this evolution?? no just varying adaptations to the specific environment
As for the Chinese the oldest records in the mountains of Tibet and China whom they themselves say the ancients wrote refer to a landmass in the middle of current day Pacific. No i am not referring to Atlantis but the large continent of Mu or Lemuria and for the ancients to know of this land mass the oceans would have had to have been much lower.
A possible explanation for this exists in the bible it is even a scientific established fact in some scientific communities. Genesis 1: 7 "Then god proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse." This is the canopy concept Genesis 2: 6 states that dew would cover the earth every morning to water the fields.
How did the Aztecs Incas and Mayans migrate after the flood you ask??? After the canopy collapsed on the earth the coldness of space or a polar shift or even our earth tilting on a 23.5 degree axis could have made the north and south poles(where tropical plant material was found suggesting tropic zones at the poles even more evidence)turn to absolute zero, freezing miles of water almost instantly making our present day glaciers. Is it crazy to think that ancient American Indians simply migrated after the tower of Babels collapse?? Quoting: phil 741499
A better fitting explanation is the Hydroplate Theory. |
| Lies
User ID: 108331
8/4/2009 4:11 AM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
I think anyone that believes that a guy named Noah and his kin were saved with a ship full of creatures in the whole planet has some serious uber credibility problems.
In my view its a fairy tale elaborated on the base of an actual event: the flood, spinned from somebodies point of view to further somebodies agenda.
besides if all evil was cancelled and he was so good and just where is the f....Eden? Why wasnt it reborn with him?
Time to start thinking for ourselves folks and wake up. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 741765
8/4/2009 4:15 AM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
I think anyone that believes that a guy named Noah and his kin were saved with a ship full of creatures in the whole planet has some serious uber credibility problems.
In my view its a fairy tale elaborated on the base of an actual event: the flood, spinned from somebodies point of view to further somebodies agenda.
besides if all evil was cancelled and he was so good and just where is the f....Eden? Why wasnt it reborn with him?
Time to start thinking for ourselves folks and wake up. Quoting: Lies 108331
You have a LOT of catching up to do.
Start with Pillow Lava and Mountain Fossils. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 108331
8/4/2009 4:19 AM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
I think anyone that believes that a guy named Noah and his kin were saved with a ship full of creatures in the whole planet has some serious uber credibility problems.
In my view its a fairy tale elaborated on the base of an actual event: the flood, spinned from somebodies point of view to further somebodies agenda.
besides if all evil was cancelled and he was so good and just where is the f....Eden? Why wasnt it reborn with him?
Time to start thinking for ourselves folks and wake up.
You have a LOT of catching up to do.
Start with Pillow Lava and Mountain Fossils. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 741765
believe me I have been catching up and fast.
there was a flood but what we are reading is someones egocentrical spinned version of it imo.
Its really very annoying.
the flood was the flood that cancelled a previous civilization OK?
You can figure out the rest.
the people that tell the tale tell it from their own point of view and their own egocentrical vision with a deliberate spin in the special and chosen zone IMO |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 108331
8/4/2009 4:21 AM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
Its time we stop behaving like credulous sheeple and tell some where he f... to get off. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 741765
8/4/2009 4:24 AM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
I think anyone that believes that a guy named Noah and his kin were saved with a ship full of creatures in the whole planet has some serious uber credibility problems.
In my view its a fairy tale elaborated on the base of an actual event: the flood, spinned from somebodies point of view to further somebodies agenda.
besides if all evil was cancelled and he was so good and just where is the f....Eden? Why wasnt it reborn with him?
Time to start thinking for ourselves folks and wake up.
You have a LOT of catching up to do.
Start with Pillow Lava and Mountain Fossils.
believe me I have been catching up and fast.
there was a flood but what we are reading is someones egocentrical spinned version of it imo.
Its really very annoying.
the flood was the flood that cancelled a previous civilization OK?
You can figure out the rest.
the people that tell the tale tell it from their own point of view and their own egocentrical vision with a deliberate spin in the special and chosen zone IMO Quoting: Anonymous Coward 108331
Ego centric?
Hmm.
Here are DIVERSE renditions of the same story:
Africa
Southwest Tanzania
Once upon a time the rivers began to flood. The god told two people to get into a ship. He told them to take lots of seed and to take lots of animals. The water of the flood eventually covered the mountains. Finally the flood stopped. Then one of the men, wanting to know if the water had dried up let a dove loose. The dove returned. Later he let loose a hawk which did not return. Then the men left the boat and took the animals and the seeds with them.
Asia
China
The Chinese classic called the Hihking tells about "the family of Fuhi," that was saved from a great flood. This ancient story tells that the entire land was flooded; the mountains and everything, however one family survived in a boat. The Chinese consider this man the father of their civilization. This record indicates that Fuhi, his wife, three sons, and three daughters were the only people that escaped the great flood. It is claimed, that he and his family were the only people alive on earth, and repopulated the world.
Babylon
Gilgamesh met an old man named Utnapishtim, who told him the following story. The gods came to Utnapishtim to warn him about a terrible flood that was coming. They instructed Utnapishtim to destroy his house and build a large ship. The ship was to be 10 dozen cubits high, wide and long. Utnapishtim was to cover the ship with pitch. He was supposed to take male and female animals of all kinds, his wife and family, provisions, etc. into the ship. Once ship was completed the rain began falling intensely. The rain fell for six days and nights. Finally things calmed and the ship settled on the top of Mount Nisir. After the ship had rested for seven days Utnapishtim let loose a dove. Since the land had not dried the dove returned. Next he sent a swallow which also returned. Later he let loose a raven which never returned since the ground had dried. Utnapishtim then left the ship.
Chaldean
There was a man by the name of Xisuthrus. The god Chronos warned Xisuthrus of a coming flood and told him to build a boat. The boat was to be 5 stadia by 2 stadia. In this boat Xisuthrus was to put his family, friends and two of each animal (male and female). The flood came. When the waters started to recede he let some birds loose. They came back and he noticed they had mud on their feet. He tried again with the same results. When he tried the third time the birds did not return. Assuming the water had dried up the people got out of the boat and offered sacrifices to the gods.
India
A long time ago lived a man named Manu. Manu, while washing himself, saved a small fish from the jaws of a large fish. The fish told Manu, "If you care for me until I am full grown I will save you from terrible things to come". Manu asked what kind of terrible things. The fish told Manu that a great flood would soon come and destroy everything on the earth. The fish told Manu to put him in a clay jar for protection. The fish grew and each time he outgrew the clay jar Manu gave him a larger one. Finally the fish became a ghasha, one of the largest fish in the world. The fish instructed Manu to build a large ship since the flood was going to happen very soon. As the rains started Manu tied a rope from the ship to the ghasha. The fish guided the ship as the waters rose. The whole earth was covered by water. When the waters began subsiding the ghasha led Manu's ship to a mountaintop.
Australia
There is a legend of a flood called the Dreamtime flood. Riding on this flood was the woramba, or the Ark Gumana. In this ark was Noah, Aborigines, and various animals. This ark eventually came to rest in the plain of Djilinbadu where it can still be found. They claim that the white mans story about the ark landing in the middle east is a lie that was started to keep the aborigines in subservience. This legend is undoubtedly the product of aboriginal legends merging with those of visiting missionaries, and there does not appear to be any native flood stories from Australia.
Europe
Greece
A long time ago, perhaps before the golden age was over, humans became proud. This bothered Zeus as they kept getting worse. Finally Zeus decided that he would destroy all humans. Before he did this Prometheus, the creator of humans, warned his human son Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha. Prometheus then placed this couple in a large wooden chest. The rains started and lasted nine days and nights until the whole world was flooded. The only thing that was not flooded was the peaks of Mount Parnassus and Mount Olympus. Mount Olympus is the home of the gods. The wooden chest came to rest on Mount Parnassus. Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha got out and saw that everything was flooded. The lived on provisions from the chest until the waters subsided. At Zeus' instruction they re-populated the earth.
North America
Mexico
The Toltec natives have a legend telling that the original creation lasted for 1716 years, and was destroyed by a flood and only one family survived.
Aztec- A man named Tapi lived a long time ago. Tapi was a very pious man. The creator told Tapi to build a boat that he would live in. He was told that he should take his wife, a pair of every animal that was alive into this boat. Naturally everyone thought he was crazy. Then the rain started and the flood came. The men and animals tried to climb the mountains but the mountains became flooded as well. Finally the rain ended. Tapi decided that the water had dried up when he let a dove loose that did not return.
United States
The Ojibwe natives who have lived in Minnesota USA since approximately 1400AD also have a creation and flood story that closely paralleles the Biblical account. "There came a time when the harmonious way of life did not continue. Men and women disrespected each other, families quarreled and soon villages began arguing back and forth. This saddened Gitchie Manido [the Creator] greatly, but he waited. Finally, when it seemed there was no hope left, Creator decided to purify Mother Earth through the use of water. The water came, flooding the Earth, catching all of creation off guard. All but a few of each living thing survived." Then it tells how Waynaboozhoo survived by floating on a log in the water with various animals.
Ojibwe - Ancient native American creation story tells of world wide flood.
Delaware Indians - In the pristine age, the world lived at peace; but an evil spirit came and caused a great flood. The earth was submerged. A few persons had taken refuge on the back of a turtle, so old that his shell had collected moss. A loon flew over their heads and was entreated to dive beneath the water and bring up land. It found only a bottomless sea. Then the bird flew far away, came back with a small portion of earth in its bill, and guided the tortoise to a place where there was a spot of dry land.
South America
Inca
During the period of time called the Pachachama people became very evil. They got so busy coming up with and performing evil deeds they neglected the gods. Only those in the high Andes remained uncorrupted. Two brothers who lived in the highlands noticed their llamas acting strangely. They asked the llamas why and were told that the stars had told the llamas that a great flood was coming. This flood would destroy all the life on earth. The brothers took their families and flocks into a cave on the high mountains. It started to rain and continued for four months. As the water rose the mountain grew keeping its top above the water. Eventually the rain stopped and the waters receded. The mountain returned to its original height. The shepherds repopulated the earth. The llamas remembered the flood and that is why they prefer to live in the highland areas. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 741765
8/4/2009 4:25 AM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
Its time we stop behaving like credulous sheeple and tell some where he f... to get off. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 108331
An unintended race did the same thing and perished in a global flood. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 108331
8/4/2009 4:27 AM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
Are you deliberately missing my point?
there was a floof
THERE WAS A FLOOD
What I DO NOT ACCEPT AT ALL IS THE HEBREW NOAH VERSION OF IT |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 108331
8/4/2009 4:28 AM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
Its time we stop behaving like credulous sheeple and tell some where he f... to get off.
An unintended race did the same thing and perished in a global flood. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 741765
Oh puhleeze dont mix carrots with cement. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 741765
8/4/2009 4:34 AM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
Are you deliberately missing my point?
there was a floof
THERE WAS A FLOOD
What I DO NOT ACCEPT AT ALL IS THE HEBREW NOAH VERSION OF IT Quoting: Anonymous Coward 108331
Why?
If you answer this question honestly you have the reason behind everything that has happened between the completion of creation and now. |
| JeepThang
User ID: 635836
8/4/2009 7:24 AM
 | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
Now.. something else.. and its just a smidgeon off topic.. is..
in the Bible, God tells Adam and Eve to "repopulate the Earth".. (Noah was Adam's grandson, iirc.)
This would suggest that perhaps there was "something" here prior to Adam and Eve.. but it is not recorded in the Bible exactly what.
Quite curious.
Nowhere is the term used "re-populate." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 741433
Thats quite right.. repopulate isnt the exact word.
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
Genesis 1:28 (King James Version)
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Replenish the earth..
dictionary.com.
re⋅plen⋅ish
  /rɪˈplɛnɪʃ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ri-plen-ish] Show IPA
Use replenish in a Sentence
–verb (used with object)
1. to make full or complete again, as by supplying what is lacking, used up, etc.: to replenish one's stock of food.
2. to supply (a fire, stove, etc.) with fresh fuel.
3. to fill again or anew.
It is meaning the same. It is in The Word. How many Adams & Eves has this planet seen?
--
George Washington: "A free people ought to be armed." (Jan 14 1790, Boston Independent Chronicle.)
JeepThang
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| FALLENMONK 
User ID: 704471
8/4/2009 9:34 AM
 | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
I think anyone that believes that a guy named Noah and his kin were saved with a ship full of creatures in the whole planet has some serious uber credibility problems.
In my view its a fairy tale elaborated on the base of an actual event: the flood, spinned from somebodies point of view to further somebodies agenda.
besides if all evil was cancelled and he was so good and just where is the f....Eden? Why wasnt it reborn with him?
Time to start thinking for ourselves folks and wake up. Quoting: Lies 108331
You have much learning to do son.
Last Edited by Fallenmonk on 8/4/2009 at 9:38 AM |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 742010
8/4/2009 11:19 AM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
the people that tell the tale tell it from their own point of view and their own egocentrical vision with a deliberate spin in the special and chosen zone IMO Quoting: Anonymous Coward 108331
That is exactly what you're doing. You can't perceive how it is possible so you've decided it must be nonsense and this is your established view point before you enter any discussion on the matter.
The sheer amount of cultures that tell of this flood should really set alarm bells ringing for people like you. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 547493
8/4/2009 11:27 AM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
the people that tell the tale tell it from their own point of view and their own egocentrical vision with a deliberate spin in the special and chosen zone IMO
That is exactly what you're doing. You can't perceive how it is possible so you've decided it must be nonsense and this is your established view point before you enter any discussion on the matter.
The sheer amount of cultures that tell of this flood should really set alarm bells ringing for people like you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 742010
I dont seem to be making myself clear here, Ill repeat it once again
I DONT HAVE ANY DOUBTS THERE WAS A FLOOD
Ill repeat that
I do not doubt there was a flood
Ill say it with other words
I believe there was a flood
Ill rephrase that
I dont find any fault in the theory that there was a flood.
OK?????? YES????????????
Now what I do NOT BELIEVE ONE IOTA OF IS THE HEBREW VERSION OF THE SOLE SURVIVOR , noah,AND HIS BOAT LOAD OF ANIMALS AND FAMILY.
I NEVER HAVE BELIEVED THIS AND NEVER WILL. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 741765
8/4/2009 4:52 PM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
Now.. something else.. and its just a smidgeon off topic.. is..
in the Bible, God tells Adam and Eve to "repopulate the Earth".. (Noah was Adam's grandson, iirc.)
This would suggest that perhaps there was "something" here prior to Adam and Eve.. but it is not recorded in the Bible exactly what.
Quite curious.
Nowhere is the term used "re-populate."
Thats quite right.. repopulate isnt the exact word.
[ link to www.biblegateway.com]
Genesis 1:28 (King James Version)
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Replenish the earth..
dictionary.com.
re⋅plen⋅ish
  /rɪˈplɛnɪʃ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ri-plen-ish] Show IPA
Use replenish in a Sentence
–verb (used with object)
1. to make full or complete again, as by supplying what is lacking, used up, etc.: to replenish one's stock of food.
2. to supply (a fire, stove, etc.) with fresh fuel.
3. to fill again or anew.
It is meaning the same. It is in The Word. How many Adams & Eves has this planet seen?
Find the original Hebrew word. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 741765
8/4/2009 5:44 PM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
The operative word in Hebrew is pronounced Male or Mala, and means to fill. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 692625
8/4/2009 5:49 PM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
Since there was no flood this question is lame
I'm sorry, but the evidence supporting a global flood is pervasive and overwhelming.
Then how do you explain the Chinese?
Their history dates to before, during, and after this alleged flood.
Not to mention the Mayans, the Aztecs, and dozens of other cultures that existed before and after this supposed event.
A flood may have happened, but it was not Global.
Accept the following:
There are many parties here on Earth in whose interests it would be to invalidate the Biblical record by promoting false datess for global events and by promoting anti-Biblical ideas about them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 741433
...and where did all the water come from? Where did it go? We are talking 5 times more water than currently exists on Earth. We are talking an amount of water if suspended in the atmosphere would crush every living thing, and would not allow light in. We are talking about enough water falling that it would super heat the atmosphere and boil everything. So yea, your JW mentality is bullshit... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 741765
8/4/2009 5:52 PM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
Since there was no flood this question is lame
I'm sorry, but the evidence supporting a global flood is pervasive and overwhelming.
Then how do you explain the Chinese?
Their history dates to before, during, and after this alleged flood.
Not to mention the Mayans, the Aztecs, and dozens of other cultures that existed before and after this supposed event.
A flood may have happened, but it was not Global.
Accept the following:
There are many parties here on Earth in whose interests it would be to invalidate the Biblical record by promoting false datess for global events and by promoting anti-Biblical ideas about them.
...and where did all the water come from? Where did it go? We are talking 5 times more water than currently exists on Earth. We are talking an amount of water if suspended in the atmosphere would crush every living thing, and would not allow light in. We are talking about enough water falling that it would super heat the atmosphere and boil everything. So yea, your JW mentality is bullshit... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692625
Perhaps you need to read your bible again.
The original crust sat between two bodies of water. Both of these now sit above the crust. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 692625
8/4/2009 5:54 PM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
the guy who told him surely did........btw His name is Enki . Oh yea! the rest of the folks that were leaving knew too.
:spaceporta:
If you don't mind, I'd like to keep this discussion focused on the Hebrew version of events and not on anything purported to predate that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 741433
...and WHERE do you think the Jews ripped their storys from? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, gee lets see, maybe the Sumerians? Take some history classes for the love of god. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 692625
8/4/2009 5:56 PM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 741765
8/4/2009 5:59 PM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
the guy who told him surely did........btw His name is Enki . Oh yea! the rest of the folks that were leaving knew too.
:spaceporta:
If you don't mind, I'd like to keep this discussion focused on the Hebrew version of events and not on anything purported to predate that.
...and WHERE do you think the Jews ripped their storys from? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, gee lets see, maybe the Sumerians? Take some history classes for the love of god. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692625
The Israelites (genuine article mind you) transmitted their history in an anecdotal fashion until it was finally recorded by Moses. The story of the flood as recorded in Genesis therefore predates ANY extant version of events, including that of the Sumerians who do not predate Noah and his sons. |
| Son of Noah
User ID: 742202
8/4/2009 6:01 PM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
...and WHERE do you think the Jews ripped their storys from? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, gee lets see, maybe the Sumerians? Take some history classes for the love of god. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692625
The Jews got their stories the same place the Sumers did, the book of Genesis, which predates Jews and Sumer.
History and science agree with the Bible and the global flood.
The fossil record proves a global flood.
See this film and published research:
Evolution: Fact or Belief?
[link to video.google.com]
Is the Theory of Evolution a scientific fact or a mere belief? Five world top scientific minds give their answer on Evolution. A ground breaking video sold all round the world, award winning international documentary, now available for all to see.
( 1 hr 13m )
[link to www.noevolution.org]
The thrust of the film is the lab research from Colorado State University on stratification of the geocolumn and subsequent dating methods.
including:
Prof M. Giertych, geneticist
Prof R. Fondi, paleontologist
Prof G. Sermonti, molecular biologist
Prof. Boudreaux, inorganic chemist
Guy Berthault, sedimentologist
Colorado State University flood modeling - Experiments on Stratification by Pierre Julien & Guy Berthault. Published by Geological Society of France, French Academy of Sciences, Russian Academy of Sciences Journal, and others.
[link to www.answersingenesis.org] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 741765
8/4/2009 6:04 PM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
Since there was no flood this question is lame
I'm sorry, but the evidence supporting a global flood is pervasive and overwhelming.
Then how do you explain the Chinese?
Their history dates to before, during, and after this alleged flood.
Not to mention the Mayans, the Aztecs, and dozens of other cultures that existed before and after this supposed event.
A flood may have happened, but it was not Global.
Accept the following:
There are many parties here on Earth in whose interests it would be to invalidate the Biblical record by promoting false datess for global events and by promoting anti-Biblical ideas about them.
...and where did all the water come from? Where did it go? We are talking 5 times more water than currently exists on Earth. We are talking an amount of water if suspended in the atmosphere would crush every living thing, and would not allow light in. We are talking about enough water falling that it would super heat the atmosphere and boil everything. So yea, your JW mentality is bullshit...
Perhaps you need to read your bible again.
The original crust sat between two bodies of water. Both of these now sit above the crust.
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Several theories (stressed) exist.
A decent read can be had here:
Fountains of the Great Deep
If a culture ignored, for any reason, a past event as cataclysmic as a global flood, major errors or misunderstandings would creep into science and society. One of the first would be the explanation for fossils. Typically, Fossil A lies below Fossil B, which lies below Fossil C, etc. If flood explanations were weak or disallowed, then evolution would provide an answer: Organism A evolved into B, which later evolved into C. Fossil layers would represent vast amounts of time. Other geologic features could then be easily fit into that time frame. With so much time available, possible explanations multiply—explanations not easily tested in less than a million years. A century after Darwin, evolutionary explanations would be given for the universe, chemical elements, heavenly bodies, earth, and life. Part I of this book shows that these ideas are false.
Part II will show, in ways an interested layman can understand, the flaws in these geologic explanations and that a global flood, with vast and unique consequences, did occur. For example, coal, oil, and methane did not form over hundreds of millions of years; they formed in months. Fossils and layered strata did not form over a billion years; they formed in months. The Grand Canyon did not form in millions of years; it formed in weeks. Major mountain ranges did not form over hundreds of millions of years; each formed in hours. These statements may appear shocking, until one has examined the evidence in Part II. If you feel there must be experts who can refute this scientific evidence, then see pages 420–423. You will be hard-pressed to find anyone willing to accept those sincere and fair debate offers.
Ironically, some leading creationists who believe in a global flood have contributed to its frequent rejection by advocating unsound mechanisms for the flood. They have failed to clearly answer people’s most basic questions: “Where did so much water come from, and where did it go?”
One such explanation is the canopy theory. (Pages 372–380 examine its many problems.) Others, who know of these problems, have proposed an equally weak explanation called catastrophic plate tectonics. Basically, it is the flawed plate tectonic theory speeded up a millionfold by unworkable mechanisms and assumed miracles. Authors of these flood explanations have thus far declined to compare and publish joint critiques of our respective theories.
Past failure to answer honest flood questions opened the door to evolution and old-earth beliefs. Answering those questions will begin to (1) reestablish the flood as earth’s defining geological event, and (2) reverse serious errors that have crept into science and society. Don’t be surprised at how catastrophic the flood was. Just follow the evidence.
[link to www.creationscience.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 692625
8/4/2009 6:06 PM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
the guy who told him surely did........btw His name is Enki . Oh yea! the rest of the folks that were leaving knew too.
:spaceporta:
If you don't mind, I'd like to keep this discussion focused on the Hebrew version of events and not on anything purported to predate that.
...and WHERE do you think the Jews ripped their storys from? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, gee lets see, maybe the Sumerians? Take some history classes for the love of god.
The Israelites (genuine article mind you) transmitted their history in an anecdotal fashion until it was finally recorded by Moses. The story of the flood as recorded in Genesis therefore predates ANY extant version of events, including that of the Sumerians who do not predate Noah and his sons. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 741765
Once again... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 741765
8/4/2009 6:08 PM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
the guy who told him surely did........btw His name is Enki . Oh yea! the rest of the folks that were leaving knew too.
:spaceporta:
If you don't mind, I'd like to keep this discussion focused on the Hebrew version of events and not on anything purported to predate that.
...and WHERE do you think the Jews ripped their storys from? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, gee lets see, maybe the Sumerians? Take some history classes for the love of god.
The Israelites (genuine article mind you) transmitted their history in an anecdotal fashion until it was finally recorded by Moses. The story of the flood as recorded in Genesis therefore predates ANY extant version of events, including that of the Sumerians who do not predate Noah and his sons.
Once again... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692625
If you can't accept the facts don't respond here. This is a serious discussion not a playground. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 742286
8/4/2009 6:09 PM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
There was a flood, there is lots of evidence of that, now does that imply that the story of Noah , ark and family and beasts is true? I dont think so. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 741765
8/4/2009 6:10 PM | | Re: DO YOU THINK ANYONE REALIZED NOAH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED? | Quote |
There was a flood, there is lots of evidence of that, now does that imply that the story of Noah , ark and family and beasts is true? I dont think so. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 742286
Tell me why you think it isn't true! |
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