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The cause of all existence - Free of dogma.
John Offer Upgrade 03/04/2005 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	The cause of all existence - Free of dogma. Food for thought - reminder for the seeker. What is the absolutely logical cause for existence? The Big Bang you say? Heh heh! The most logical cause for existence is necessarily that which has no cause, itself being THE cause of all. Simply put, it’s . Get it? To put it in finite terms, it’s emptiness! Emptiness alone needs no cause "to be" and is therefore the purely logical cause of all existence. It’s all-pervading, sustaining and interpenetrating everything. It’s "behind" all forms, all of existence. Without it, nothing can be. If there’s no emptiness, there’s nothing on which existence may rely. To give you a simple example, it’s because a jar is empty that you can fill it. And still, it’s not because the jar is full that there’s no more emptiness, it’s still there, “behind” or through your very cookies, sustaining them. The cause is eternally present, and it must be so for the effect to stay alive. Emptiness is synonymous to infinity. Infinity is necessarily immutable, as is emptiness, and can’t be conceptualized, because it’s formless, by definition not finite. Both are absolute. Infinity necessarily became aware for existence to be "drawn" out of it. No creation is possible without a certain awareness and a certain intelligence to pull out and direct. In the same way no poetry is possible without the poet and without the infinity from which he draws. For this reason, out of infinity springs infinite energy, through which all may be pulled and molded. Through formlessness we are all interconnected, through it we make one. Never have we been separated from the Source, the realization of which is the Destiny, the in-between being illusion. Isn’t love the result of the recognition of the unity of all things? But at the same time isn’t it this very unity? We have the tendency to consider space as what separates us, but as you may realize it’s not so. Considering that you are made 99.9999% of emptiness, and that form is merely condensed emptiness, it’s reasonable to ask yourself, “Who am I?” Am I a mere form? Or am I also the formless, considering that form is essentially of the formless? Am I consciousness? Is consciousness a form, or is it the formless that may be conscious of all its forms? Is not the seeker also the sought after all? Hmmm...

A s (OP) 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: The cause of all existence - Free of dogma. Yes, I think that would be a nice way of putting it. Being around is nothing special, but it´s a special nothing. We are the Universe observing and pondering its own existence. The bandwidth of (written) language is just inadequate, too bad I won´t make the GLP party in Costa Rica:)
zacksavage (OP) 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: The cause of all existence - Free of dogma. Your post left me feeling empty. Z
A s (OP) 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: The cause of all existence - Free of dogma. That´sa good start, Z. Try not to take it personally.

Sicksixix (OP) 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: The cause of all existence - Free of dogma. cause? we are still at a limited viewpoint here, no amount of assumed understanding will prove what we are here for, in addition to taking the assumption that there is a reason. reason is unique to humans, no -reason- to assume something of a higher order concerns itself or even has a need to use human thought processes. we are able to use our equipment here, where things of a seemingly solid nature are capable of being manipulated ideas change like the wind, matter does not merely better facilitates adaptability for survival.
rogue (OP) 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: The cause of all existence - Free of dogma. the advertisement declared "free of dogma". I want a refund.
A s (OP) 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: The cause of all existence - Free of dogma.

neti (OP) 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: The cause of all existence - Free of dogma. a very nice post... an emptiness which is also full. "No creation is possible without a certain awareness and a certain intelligence to pull out and direct."
Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: The cause of all existence - Free of dogma. To begin, thank you for replying Sicksixix. I will go further with the way you reason. I completely agree that no amount of assumed understanding will prove what we are here for. Only living for yourself can prove anything, but still... someone with closed eyes won´t see anything of what he´s going through. An effect has a cause. There´s a reason for which you replied to this post, though you may deny it or not be conscious of it. To give you another small example, if you drop a book on the floor, one of the effects is the sound it makes, though you may reply that you can´t prove anything. Assuming that we are alone with reason doesn´t mean that we necessarily have to close our eyes to it either, or that we should limit ourselves in it. If we would have never looked above, never would we have realized that there are other planets. It´s also because someone decided to look above that westerners found out that the Earth is round, though he was flamed (and that is the right word) for it because others claimed it was a false assumption. I guess they prefered to remain as the center of the universe. If we didn´t make some assumptions, if we didn´t have dreams, nothing of what you know about human society would even exist. You would merely be "surviving," and still you would probably be dead, because you wouldn´t want to rely on the assumption that eating and drinking keep you alive. Though it may be a fact, you can´t absolutely prove it, you can only observe the effects and assume the causes. Ideas may indeed change with the wind, and matter too though on a different scale, but what I am speaking of is not an idea or matter, it´s emptiness which is absence of all of these and which never changes, though I am using concepts to put it into words - to communicate, which is inevitable in communication. So if you seek an absolute cause for something, I guess it´s logical to assume that the first cause is what itself has no cause. Anyway, I wonder why you assume that it´s so much about an "higher order?" Couldn´t it be as lower as higher?
Tree Hugger (OP) 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: The cause of all existence - Free of dogma. Hello John The world nothingness is better understood if we instead use the term ´potentiality´. That is the space which is the Mind of God was pregnant with all the various potentials which were possible, and while nothing was yet formed everything had the potential of being formed and of course this is ongoing. Here is a site you might enjoy....peace to your path [link to users.bestweb.net]
Sicksixix (OP) 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: The cause of all existence - Free of dogma. some things you can repeat with scientific observation, existence is not one of them. understanding is necessary to understand you understand nothing(not to say nothing is what is understood, merely the lack thereof) with all of our knowledge, what have we decided upon? there is no conclusion we have come to in all our time here we have only made our stay here more comfortable or convenient, we have not passed on to a greater existence assumptions are ok, but carried to the extremes it seems they have been is dangerous to not only individuals but to the whole some could argue that this is part of the plan, yes in that view everything is, existence happened and everything that occured is part of this divine(if you subscribe to that theory) plan no proof, and is there really any need to go to those lengths of assumption? we are caught in the middle of a process that has yet to yield its fruits we are not the beginning, and we certainly arent the end, but that seems not to be good enough for some as if coming up with a reason behind existence will solve anything, we are still bound to rotting flesh, inescapable as far as we have come to see and experience everything that constitutes our world falls apart with enough time(or automatic repetitive actions, nature) we are in a very confined realm of information processing, much repetition goes on without allowing simple assumption and dismissal it can be frustrating when confronted with the reality of the situation(oddly worded) we can be wherever we want, as has been repeatedly considered, we must want to be where we are today, with good reason eh?
Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: The cause of all existence - Free of dogma. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh come on , this is the story line from never ending story 1
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