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Why is Orly Taitz in Israel Two Days After Submitting a Forged Obama Birth Certificate to a US Federal Court?

 
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That article unfortunately could be close to the truth. Now as far as the "Birther" movement goes, and this Orly Taitz, who ran off to Israe and mentioned in that article, really correlates well with Wayne Madsen's article that The Birther Movement is being socially engineered by Israel as a shot against Obama because he isn't going in lockstep with Israel's demands.


Why is Orly Taitz in Israel Two Days After Submitting a Forged Obama Birth Certificate to a US Federal Court?

Is it because she is fleeing prosecution for knowingly submitting a forged document to a federal court? Is it because she is secretly an Israeli agent working to undermine Barack Obama? Is it because she fears that black men in suits and sunglasses are coming from Washington to kill her?

I don't know the answer, but "birther queen" Orly Taitz was indeed interviewed by MSNBC from Tel Aviv on Aug. 3 - only two days after submitting, to a federal district court in California for "authentication," a document alleged to be Obama's Kenyan birth certificate now pretty conclusively proven to be a forgery. Following her gleeful release of the document on Aug. 1, Taitz must be a little surprised by the speed at which it has been picked apart on the internet and shown to be an almost certain forgery. I don't know what the penalty might be if it is determined that Taitz knowingly submitted a forged document to a federal court for the sole purpose of doing political harm to the President of the United States, but it is the one good reason I can think of why she would so suddenly leave the country at what only two days ago seemed (at least to her and her demented followers) to be her moment of triumph. While she may indeed fear that black Men in Black are coming to kill her, I would seriously question the theory some have suggested that she might be an Israeli agent working to undermine Obama, if only because I assume the Israelis would be smarter than to entrust such a task to such an obvious nutjob as Orly Taitz.

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From the article by Wayne Madsen:

Feud between Emanuel and Netanyahu heats up
By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer

Aug 5, 2009, 00:22
(WMR) -- The political bickering between White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, himself a dual U.S.-Israeli citizen with strong links, as previously reported by WMR, to the Mossad, and the Israeli government of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is heating up, according to U.S. intelligence sources.

Our sources also report that, currently, the major impetus for incessant rumors about Obama’s lack of a U.S. birth certificate is the Netanyahu government. WMR first reported on the attempt to paint Obama as born in Mombasa, Kenya, after our South African intelligence sources reported that a group of U.S. intelligence operatives, similar to the one that Karl Rove dispatched to South Africa in 2004 to dig up dirt on Teresa Heinz Kerry from South African and Portuguese colonial security files, arrived in Nairobi to dig up dirt on Obama’s Kenyan-born father and was on the hunt for a certificate of birth for his son at a Mombasa maternity hospital. The hunt for dirt on the Obama family, which was known to and approved by key officials of the Hillary Clinton campaign, turned up empty-handed.

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I know!

Because that's where she lives!!

The forged birth document is the one Obama put on his website claimed to be his birth certificate.
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roflLOL

Obama is on holiday and Orly probably is too. She certainly does deserve one. Orly is Russian by birth and there are many ex-Russians that live in Israel. She is probably innocently visiting family and could be there for a wedding, barmitzva, etc etc

If you go on line on the Thursday evening conference call you will be able to speak to her and ask her yourself.

The dems must be really worried if they are trying to portray Orly as a mossad agent.

Having met ex Israeli army officers, they are calm. cool and very collected and Orly is more like a hot blooded Italian filled with passion that she finds hard to contain.

And she and her husband do live in the USA.

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This other BC presented by Orly may be a forgery, a very old forgery created and used by Obama himself when he applied to college. There just might be more to this story.

We will have to wait and see.
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She is probably innocently visiting family and could be there for a wedding, barmitzva, etc etc
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Not likely. If she was as gung-ho about her cause as she pretends to be, she'd have likely stayed during the high-point of the drama. Think of what you're saying -- "Do I go to the wedding, or stay in the USA and promote this cause I believe in with all my heart?"

Sorry -- I'm not buying it.

Either she's mossad or controlled by mossad, OR she could even be controlled by Obama himself. Controlled opposition often poisons the wells in order to make problems go away. And now that her document has been deemed a forgery, most consider the case completely closed -- no matter what legitimacy it may have had prior to the document being determined a forgery.

Think about it. If Obama wasn't a legitimate president, can you think of a better way for him to make the issue disappear? Just send out this unstable dingbat Orly with a forged document, and just wait...

Black propaganda is false information and material that purports to be from a source on one side of a conflict, but is actually from the opposing side. It is typically used to vilify, embarrass or misrepresent the enemy.[1]

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I think you have to admit, whether you want to or not, that Orly has done more to diffuse the so-called "Birther" movement than anyone else.

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orly?
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Where is the evidence that the Kenyan BC is a forgery?
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Where is the evidence that the Kenyan BC is a forgery?
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1. Kenyan official documents did NOT bear the name "REPUBLIC of Kenya" until 1964, if only because the Republic of Kenya was proclaimed in December
1963.

2. In 1961, Mombassa was in ZANZIBAR, not in Kenya.

3. In 1961, the hospital was called "Coast PROVINCIAL General Hospital".
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An intelligence contact with Israeli connections says this: “We checked all the hospitals in Kenya, starting in early 2008. There is no such birth certificate. This is another fake. It is also a very bad fake, by the way, very amateurish, as anyone who has seen the real items would immediately discern.”

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So, again, who benefits from an easily identifiable fraudulent birth certificate? Orly? Perhaps. She has probably raked in a few bucks for her cause, and may have run with this without proper vetting. But Obama appears to have benefited as well -- as the frenzy died down IMMEDIATELY after this document was released, and its errors exposed.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. Black Propaganda.

Black propaganda is false information and material that purports to be from a source on one side of a conflict (the Birthers), but is actually from the opposing side (Team Obama). It is typically used to vilify, embarrass or misrepresent the enemy.[1]
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It's analagous to the people who claimed that there were no planes that hit the towers on 9/11 -- that they were holograms. If the 9/11 movement had allowed itself to be identified with that sort of nonsense, the cause would have died down as soon as people who witnessed the actual planes spoke out.

While I can't PROVE that Obama was behind Orly and her 'document', I do think it is inarguable that it set the so-called "Birther" movement back quite a ways.

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Well colleagues in the USA know Orly well, I can assure you that she has the utmost integrity, the best interests of the American people in her heart. In my own communications with her in the past she is completely sincere in her efforts. Any of you can listen to Orly, get involved in the conference calls and or communicate with her. Orly does not have anything to hide she is as upfront as they come. She is also working with the hand of God.

You have to remember that Orly lived under a communist regime and does not wish to again. She has the backing of Alan Keyes who is a client of hers and members of the US military.

I was probably one of the first people to ever mention Orly's name on this forum.

In these situations it is best not to speculate but wait to hear what Orly has to say about her visit to Israel that could have been booked and payed for long before the latest birth certificate came to light.

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Well colleagues in the USA know Orly well, I can assure you that she has the utmost integrity, the best interests of the American people in her heart.

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Hmmm, You may be worth a little exploration. Something about your posts set off bells and whistles in the archives of my memory.

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Well colleagues in the USA know Orly well, I can assure you that she has the utmost integrity, the best interests of the American people in her heart.
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And I would suspect she also has the 'best interests of the Israelis at heart' as well, would she not? Can you say dual-loyalties?

Suppose Obama had an agreement with Israeli intelligence: "Make the Birthers go away, and I will look the other way on these settlements".

Presto -- Orly arrives to the rescue...of Israel...providing Obama a joke of a document, just in time.

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If you and your children have been waiting for months for the family holiday and if you keep your promises to your children, you do not cancel the holiday for anyone or anything. Everyone deserves a holiday, let her be and enjoy her break.

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Where is the evidence that the Kenyan BC is a forgery?

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An email posted on a website?
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If you and your children have been waiting for months for the family holiday and if you keep your promises to your children, you do not cancel the holiday for anyone or anything. Everyone deserves a holiday, let her be and enjoy her break.

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You're trying to hinge this on her trip to Israel. It's not about that. She was made a complete fool of on national television, and discredited a cause that MAY HAVE HAD SOME LEGITIMACY PRIOR TO HER INVENTED DOCUMENT.

Now, you can sit back and excuse that sort of thing all you like. You can pretend that her ties to Israel are completely innocent. But the fact remains: She single-handedly diffused the Birther movement.
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Well colleagues in the USA know Orly well, I can assure you that she has the utmost integrity, the best interests of the American people in her heart.

And I would suspect she also has the 'best interests of the Israelis at heart' as well, would she not? Can you say dual-loyalties?
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She never once mentioned Israel and you can see her major press was in Russia. She talks about the USA and Russian past not Israel. Why did the Russian press support her? She is Russian.

Suppose Obama had an agreement with Israeli intelligence: "Make the Birthers go away, and I will look the other way on these settlements". Presto -- Orly arrives to the rescue...of Israel...providing Obama a joke of a document, just in time.
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LOL Obama knows the birthers will not go away until the truth is known and Israel is not up for any negotiation with Obama because he takes his orders from Abbas.

I have many colleagues in many countries around the world.

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An email posted on a website?
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In my discipline, philosophy, the source of an argument is irrelevant to the truth condition of the argument. To do otherwise is ad hominem.

The arguments in that link as to why the document is fraudulent are legitimate arguments, and from right-wingers as well.

If you're unable to discern the legitimacy of these arguments, that's not really my problem. I'd recommend some critical thinking courses at your local university.

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I heard the interview with her from Israel. She stated that she was there to meet, I think, with her parents prior to going with them to Russia to visit relatives. Actually, I thought she left the country to go to the UK to try to have someone authenticate the Kenyan BC. I do find it odd that she has no problem flying commercially when it would be no problem for any of her 'enemies' out there to take her out.

So, who knows WTF is going on? If we could see exactly what documents are on file in Hawaii AND Kenya AND Occidental College, we could get a better idea of Mr. Obama's true status. Personally, I think he has committed fraud somewhere along the line.
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I heard the interview with her from Israel. She stated that she was there to meet, I think, with her parents prior to going with them to Russia to visit relatives. Actually, I thought she left the country to go to the UK to try to have someone authenticate the Kenyan BC. I do find it odd that she has no problem flying commercially when it would be no problem for any of her 'enemies' out there to take her out.

So, who knows WTF is going on? If we could see exactly what documents are on file in Hawaii AND Kenya AND Occidental College, we could get a better idea of Mr. Obama's true status. Personally, I think he has committed fraud somewhere along the line.
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If she was coming to the UK I am sure she would have let me know so that we could meet up.

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If she was coming to the UK I am sure she would have let me know so that we could meet up.

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Delusions of grandeur?

Just because you may or may not have had some email correspondence with Orly, doesn't mean she wants to meet with you in person.
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First result: Barack Obama's decision to get tough with Israel translates into escalating Palestinian demands on Israel. In early July, Palestinian Authority chief Mahmoud Abbas and Saeb Erekat, his top negotiator, insisted on five unilateral concessions by Israel:

An independent Palestinian state;
Israel shrunk to its pre-June 1967 borders, minus a Palestinian land-bridge between the West Bank and the Gaza Strip; A Palestinian "right of return" to Israel;
Resolution of all permanent status issues on the basis of the 2002 Abdullah plan; and A complete stop to building by Jews in eastern Jerusalem and the West Bank.
Palestinians and Americans are the intended audience for this preemptory list; such exorbitant demands, the record shows, only reduces Israeli willingness to make concessions.


The former Shepherd Hotel in eastern Jerusalem.

Second result: The U.S. government takes marching orders from Abbas and passes them along to the Israelis.

Abbas complained to the Americans that the construction of 20 apartments and an underground garage in the eastern Jerusalem neighborhood of Shimon Hatzadik, 1.4 kilometers north of the Old City, would shift Jerusalem's demographic balance. The State Department promptly summoned Israel's ambassador to Washington, Michael Oren on July 17 and instructed him to halt the building project.

Some background: Zionists founded the Shimon Hatzadik neighborhood in 1891 by purchasing the land from Arabs, then, due to Arab riots and Jordanian conquest, abandoned the area. Amin al-Husseini, Jerusalem's pro-Nazi mufti, put up a building in the 1930s that later served as the Shepherd Hotel (not to be confused with the renowned Shepheard's Hotel in Cairo). After 1967, the Israelis designated the land "absentee property." Irving Moskowitz, an American businessman, bought the land in 1985 and rented the building to the border police until 2002. His company, C and M Properties, won final permission two weeks ago to renovate the hotel and build apartments on the land.

Third result: The U.S. demand has prompted an Israeli resolve not to bend but to reiterate its traditional positions. Oren rejected State's demand. Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, who confessed to being "surprised" by the U.S. demand, assured colleagues "I won't cave in on this matter."

Publicly, Netanyahu closed the door on concessions. Insisting that Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem "cannot be challenged," he noted that "residents of Jerusalem may purchase apartments in all parts of the city" and pointedly recalled that "in recent years hundreds of apartments in Jewish neighborhoods and in the western part of the city have been purchased by – or rented to – Arab residents and we did not interfere.

"This says that there is no ban on Arabs buying apartments in the western part of the city and there is no ban on Jews buying or building apartments in the eastern part of the city. This is the policy of an open city, an undivided city that has no separation according to religion or national affiliation."


Then, his blistering finale: "We cannot accept the idea that Jews will not have the right to live and purchase in all parts of Jerusalem. I can only describe to myself what would happen if someone would propose that Jews could not live in certain neighborhoods in New York, London, Paris or Rome. There would certainly be a major international outcry. Accordingly, we cannot agree to such a decree in Jerusalem."

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman asserted this same point while Yuli Edelstein, minister of Information and Diaspora, added that the U.S. demand "proves how dangerous it is to get dragged into talks of a settlement freeze. Such talks will lead to a demand to completely freeze our lives in the entire State of Israel."

From May 27, when the Obama administration began its attack on Israeli "settlements," it has displayed an unexpected naiveté; did this administration really have to relearn for itself the well-known fact that Washington fails when bossing around its main Middle Eastern ally? It then displayed rank incompetence by picking a fight on an issue where an Israeli consensus exists – not over a remote "outpost" but a Jerusalem quarter boasting a Zionist pedigree back to 1891.

How long until Obama understands his error and retreats from it? How much damage will he do in the meantime?

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If she was coming to the UK I am sure she would have let me know so that we could meet up.

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Delusions of grandeur?

Just because you may or may not have had some email correspondence with Orly, doesn't mean she wants to meet with you in person.
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You should be concerned more about the relationship of Obama and Abbas then your concern with me or Orly.

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This other BC presented by Orly may be a forgery, a very old forgery created and used by Obama himself when he applied to college. There just might be more to this story.

We will have to wait and see.
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Exactly.
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You should be concerned more about the relationship of Obama and Abbas then your concern with me or Orly.

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You're the one who has herself fooled into thinking you are more important than you really are.

You honestly think Orly would want to meet with you?

I would address your Palestinian issues, but it is not germane to this thread.
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You should be concerned more about the relationship of Obama and Abbas then your concern with me or Orly.

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You're the one who has herself fooled into thinking you are more important than you really are.

You honestly think Orly would want to meet with you?

I would address your Palestinian issues, but it is not germane to this thread.
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I don' t have any issues.

Importance has nothing to do with it where the truth movement are concerned because we live in the heart of equality.

If we have time we try to meet up with others involved in the same movement of the heart anywhere in the world.

As we did when in the USA.

We also defend each other if and when necessary. However, we defend with truth and honesty from the heart not conspiracy.

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I don' t have any issues.
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Megalomania? Delusions of grandeur? Narcissism?

NPD is defined more specifically as a pattern of grandiosity (exaggerated claims to talents, importance, or specialness) in the patient's private fantasies or outward behavior; a need for constant admiration from others

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