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For those of you that will not let a pre-k child watch tv, they don't need tv. They'll convince you that "Building reading readiness can never be to early."

What they should say:

Your first five years are still not free...what do you need an imagination for? Learn to read at a month old so that we can propagate you before you even have a chance to use an imagination. You're ours...right out of the womb!

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Products Help Parents Instill Early Love of Reading -- A Child's First Step in Learning to Read and Reaching His or Her Full Potential

NEW YORK, June 1 /PRNewswire/ -- Educate Products, owner of Hooked on Phonics(R), a highly trusted brand and 20-year leader in teaching kids to read, introduced here today at BookExpo America 2007, Hooked on Phonics Discover Reading -- the company's first line of reading programs for babies and toddlers -- and Hooked on Phonics Learn to Read -- Pre-K, for children ages three to four years.

Building Reading Readiness -- It's Never Too Early

According to Hooked on Phonics reading expert, Wendy Paige Bronfin, vice president, Product Development & Education, it's never too early to begin reading to children. The Discover Reading programs are based on vast research that asserts babies and toddlers who are read and sung to from an early age are more likely to become better readers earlier. Hearing family members talking, laughing, singing and reading stories to them provides early experiences with spoken and written language. Creating these positive associations with reading at home fosters future reading success.

Each of the new programs represents one of three steps toward building reading readiness in children. Step one is achieved through Discover Reading -- Baby where vocabulary and memory development is stimulated and a love of reading begins. The second step, which builds listening, vocabulary and speaking skills, and introduces word-object associations, is encouraged in Discover Reading -- Toddler. Building off steps one and two, Hooked on Phonics Learn to Read -- Pre-K is the third step, teaching preschoolers letter names, letter sounds and phonemic awareness -- a basic fundamental in learning to read.

Discover Reading - Baby Edition

The new Hooked on Phonics Discover Reading program is built on two platforms: a Baby Edition for infants three to 18 months and a Toddler Edition for children 18 to 36 months.

Discover Reading -- Baby instills a love of reading through classic nursery rhymes and new stories. The program encourages early language and memory skill development and stimulates a baby's developing senses. Discover Reading -- Baby enhances the parent and baby bonding experience while reading beautifully illustrated board books, including six nursery rhyme books, one Hooked on Phonics character storybook, and one baby faces photographic book. Also included is a comprehensive easel-styled parent's resource book, an audio CD with sweet sing-along nursery rhymes and a 30-minute Hooked on Baby DVD that brings classic nursery rhymes to life through story narration, engaging music and loveable characters. Available in July 2007, the program will be on store shelves for as low as $37.

Discover Reading -- Toddler Edition

The second step toward reading readiness, Discover Reading -- Toddler continues to foster a love of reading. The product uses original board books and a vinyl bath book to encourage reading throughout the day with...

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reading helps to develop an imagination, as well as other valuable skills. i can't imagine why anyone in their right mind would want to believe that learning to read at a young age could be bad.
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reading helps to develop an imagination, as well as other valuable skills. i can't imagine why anyone in their right mind would want to believe that learning to read at a young age could be bad.
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I guess you haven't seen what kids books are saying these days. It's more about the content than the reading.

And sorry, reading shapes thinking...it doesn't necessarily help you to develop an imagination. Playing helps develop an imagination though...so does making art and music...anything requiring creativity develops imagination. Reading does no such thing.
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Wait so reading is bad but looking at art and listening to music is good?

What if the art contains words? Is the music without lyrics?

Do you just compose the song in a sound-proof room? I don't see what you're getting at.

Reading causes you to use your imagination - if you're reading Treasure Island, say, you're forced to imagine the ship, the characters, you have to imagine up a whole world for all this to take place in, everything that isn't shown to you completely.

If a character is described as a young woman in a ball gown, with long blonde hair, you have to fill in the details with your imagination: what kind of gown, what style of hair, what does she look like.
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Wait so reading is bad but looking at art and listening to music is good?

What if the art contains words? Is the music without lyrics?

Do you just compose the song in a sound-proof room? I don't see what you're getting at.

Reading causes you to use your imagination - if you're reading Treasure Island, say, you're forced to imagine the ship, the characters, you have to imagine up a whole world for all this to take place in, everything that isn't shown to you completely.

If a character is described as a young woman in a ball gown, with long blonde hair, you have to fill in the details with your imagination: what kind of gown, what style of hair, what does she look like.
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I didn't say "listening" or "looking at." I said "making"...or at least I certainly implied that.

you're forced to imagine the ship.
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How exactly is that using your imagination? You said it for me, thanks...

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you're forced to imagine the ship.

How exactly is that using your imagination? You said it for me thanks...
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umm...how is it not using your imagination?
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you're forced to imagine the ship.

How exactly is that using your imagination? You said it for me thanks...


umm...how is it not using your imagination?
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If you have to ask that...you don't get it. I already showed you. If I "forced" you to think of a ship...then you didn't think of the ship...I did.

imagination:
noun
the faculty or action of forming new ideas.

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you're forced to imagine the ship.

How exactly is that using your imagination? You said it for me thanks...


umm...how is it not using your imagination?


If you have to ask that...you don't get it. I already showed you. If I "forced" you to think of a ship...then you didn't think of the ship...I did.

imagination:
noun
the faculty or action of forming new ideas.
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first of all, you aren't forced to use your imagination when reading a book. it's an incredibly boring way to read, but it's possible, no one has a gun to your head.

secondly, even if you were being forced to use your imagination, you are still using your imagination. you tell me to think of a ship, sure i'll think of a ship, but who's to say what kind of ship it is? i could be thinking, and likely am thinking, of a completely different ship from the one you've thought of. yes, books often have a lot of detail, but the very fact that you can put those details together in your imagination strengthens your imagination.
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you're forced to imagine the ship.

How exactly is that using your imagination? You said it for me thanks...


umm...how is it not using your imagination?


If you have to ask that...you don't get it. I already showed you. If I "forced" you to think of a ship...then you didn't think of the ship...I did.

imagination:
noun
the faculty or action of forming new ideas.


first of all, you aren't forced to use your imagination when reading a book. it's an incredibly boring way to read, but it's possible, no one has a gun to your head.

secondly, even if you were being forced to use your imagination, you are still using your imagination. you tell me to think of a ship, sure i'll think of a ship, but who's to say what kind of ship it is? i could be thinking, and likely am thinking, of a completely different ship from the one you've thought of. yes, books often have a lot of detail, but the very fact that you can put those details together in your imagination strengthens your imagination.
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You said forced...not me. And you make some valid points. But you seem to be missing my point...and you're not showing me that you are willing to see it.

So don't worry about it. Believe what you want. This thread was obviously not for you.

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You said forced...not me. And you make some valid points. But you seem to be missing my point...and you're not showing me that you are willing to.

So don't worry about it.
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that was a different AC.

i see your point, i just disagree with it. if you want to teach children to think for themselves you've got to first give them the ability and strength to think, and being able to read and interpret words plays a major part in that.

it's almost like you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.
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and spare me the bullshit about this thread "not being for me" or that i'm not willing to discuss this with you, because that's exactly what i'm doing.

or maybe you just wanted people to come in and agree with you...that's healthy.
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how does reading lead to imagination in a child?? do not confuse storytelling with reading- two different things.

waldorf education surely has it right. =) my opinion anyways..
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good goin op....best way to create sheep is to tell them they dont have to learn how to read

are you gunna read everything for them?

i know many adults that cant read and let me tell you....they arent very creative....kinda hard to research something if you cant read

just be creative jimmy....we'll run the world for you

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reading helps to develop an imagination, as well as other valuable skills. i can't imagine why anyone in their right mind would want to believe that learning to read at a young age could be bad.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. My mother taught me to read before I was in kindergarten, and I have a lifelong love of books and reading as a result. It has helped my life immeasurably.
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And sorry, reading shapes thinking...it doesn't necessarily help you to develop an imagination. Playing helps develop an imagination though...so does making art and music...anything requiring creativity develops imagination. Reading does no such thing.
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Who says reading is mutually exclusive to playing and making music and art? How absurd.
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lol, good point. Everything in moderation. There is definitely a learning age range where it needs to happen. They do associate higher IQ with an early ability to learn. IQ has nothing to do with common sense but engaging the children causes the brain to build connections. They do need lots of attention and training.
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if you want to teach children to think for themselves you've got to first give them the ability and strength to think, and being able to read and interpret words plays a major part in that.
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I agree. But where did I ever say that a person or a child should not learn to read. Nowhere. So are you saying that in order to be able to think you have to learn to read by the age of 3? Thinking is not reading.


good goin op....best way to create sheep is to tell them they dont have to learn how to read
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Again, When did I ever say someone should not learn how to read? I never said that. So, thanks for playing. Do you have a point?"

Maybe you should people should have "read" the title of this thread and the content of the OP. Did you actually read it? How ironic that you are arguing about thinking and reading, and yet, not doing them both at the same time.

How many times do I need to say "Pre-K," and "first five years" in a paragraph for you to "read" it?


lol, good point. Everything in moderation. There is definitely a learning age range where it needs to happen. They do associate higher IQ with an early ability to learn. IQ has nothing to do with common sense but engaging the children causes the brain to build connections. They do need lots of attention and training.
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See, I don't think a lot of these people realise how brainwashed we are. It's not just the TV...it's movies, books (yes, I attacked your precious books), internet, the music industry, etc...

Books brainwash! So they want you to start reading by the time your 2...when you are most formative. Didn't anyone else understand my point here? They will find any way to indoctrinate you as soon as possible.

Anyone else want to pretend I'm advocating illiteracy?

And you call me an idiot...
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you aren't advocating illiteracy, you're just advocating the stunting of a child's potential mental development, which is just as bad.
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and if you're so paranoid to believe that They will indoctrinate you with anything they have, then you may as well teach the kid how to read at an early age, because s/he's fucking doomed to be indoctrinated anyway, right?
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reading helps to develop an imagination, as well as other valuable skills. i can't imagine why anyone in their right mind would want to believe that learning to read at a young age could be bad.



I guess you haven't seen what kids books are saying these days. It's more about the content than the reading.

And sorry, reading shapes thinking...it doesn't necessarily help you to develop an imagination. Playing helps develop an imagination though...so does making art and music...anything requiring creativity develops imagination. Reading does no such thing.
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and if you're so paranoid to believe that They will indoctrinate you with anything they have, then you may as well teach the kid how to read at an early age, because s/he's fucking doomed to be indoctrinated anyway, right?
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No, I'm advocating exactly the opposite of stunting growth.

I'm advocating creative thought in the formative years (that's the first five), instead of indoctrinated thought. That gives a person the best chance of thinking for themselves later.

Yes, we are doomed to be indoctrinated. That is fact. I just think the ability to engage in creative thought is key to ultimate mental freedom.

Alright, you don't agree. That's cool. I'm just trying to share some info, and make a point. Thanks for the debate.
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My God, you're an idiot
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I am not your G-d.

Did you have a point? Or did you just want to call me names?
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My God, you're an idiot


I am not your G-d.

Did you have a point? Or did you just want to call me names?
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My point is, you're an idiot. The name calling was a bonus
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My God, you're an idiot


I am not your G-d.

Did you have a point? Or did you just want to call me names?



My point is, you're an idiot. The name calling was a bonus
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Good for you...I hope you feel better.
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i read the title

btw...who is they?

your parents are the ones who have to buy the program and teach you


so your basically saying everyones parents are gunna steal thier own kids imaginations by teaching them to read


i assume you support hooked on phonics so "they" can steal your imagination at an acceptable age.....unless you learned it in school....then i guess the school stole it


the only problem i see is parents are gunna have to either learn sign language or make one up cuz the whole spelling something so the kids dont know what were talkin about isnt gunna work anymore

ok so dont teach your kid anything before the age of 5


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btw...who is they?
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I think you mean who 'are' they?

That statement leads me to believe that you have no idea what's going on. I'm not getting into that now. There are probably thousands of threads on GLP for you to investigate to find that out.

So do that...then come back and debate.

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Reading over this thread again has led me to a troubling realization. It seems that a lot of people are believing that the ability to read, or reading per se, is the same as, or leads to intelligence, or the ability to think more critically.

How does this make any sense? Reading is merely a means of taking in information. It's a means of taking in information to generate thought...usually, a certain type of thought, depending on what it is your reading. Doesn't the 'quality' of that information, not the reading (per se), have a direct correlation to the quality of the thought it provokes?

So, 'just reading,' doesn't really mean that you are provoking the creative or critical thinking associated with intelligence, does it? You can read meaningless dribble right? In fact, I'll bet we all do that from time to time. That doesn't mean you're getting smarter, or more creative, but rather...entertained in those cases.

I'll bet (and this is just a hunch...no facts here), that if you took 2 illiterate three-year-old children of equal IQ's, had one play (create) on the piano for an hour a day, and the other read fiction for an hour a day until they were five-years-old...after which, both children went on to develop normally (work with me here on "normally"), the piano playing child would be more intelligent, more creative, and stronger in critical thinking skills than the fiction reading child.

And before you go off half cocked and say that I am torturing this piano playing child for forbidding him/her to read...that child begins reading at age 5. And the other child begins piano lessons at age 5.
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From my studies unless the child desires to learn it early it is best to wait until 5 or 6

It has to do with childrens' eye muscles...this is why many do not recommend a night light also-both can cause eye damage-making the muscles perform at a higher level than they are ready for,leading to the need for corrective lenses...


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all my kids love to read-the eldest has decreased it due to eye issues and attention lol


reading is good but the child is the one driving their learning...the more the 'gov' czars act as experts the more offensive it becomes-I know my child, they know nothing


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