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UK NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE IS A TREASURE....

 
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John Pilger Calls UK National Health Service a Treasure, Blasts US Healthcare Democracy Now 7/2/09



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To be fair, the NHS is pretty damn good.

EVERYONE, regardless of class, income, etc gets treated, whether you have a job or not.
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To be fair, the NHS is pretty damn good.

EVERYONE, regardless of class, income, etc gets treated, whether you have a job or not.
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You don't always get treated perfectly, but you get treated with basic competence...and it is free.

The USA has been the laughing-stock of the civilised world for its poor quality and overpriced healthcare for decades, can't say I am entirely au fait with the controversy of obama's proposed changes - but a change is surely due for you unfortunate citizens
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To be fair, the NHS is pretty damn good.

EVERYONE, regardless of class, income, etc gets treated, whether you have a job or not.


You don't always get treated perfectly, but you get treated with basic competence...and it is free.

The USA has been the laughing-stock of the civilised world for its poor quality and overpriced healthcare for decades, can't say I am entirely au fait with the controversy of obama's proposed changes - but a change is surely due for you unfortunate citizens
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I've never had any problem with health care. And I never asked another citizen to pay for it.
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To be fair, the NHS is pretty damn good.

EVERYONE, regardless of class, income, etc gets treated, whether you have a job or not.


You don't always get treated perfectly, but you get treated with basic competence...and it is free.

The USA has been the laughing-stock of the civilised world for its poor quality and overpriced healthcare for decades, can't say I am entirely au fait with the controversy of obama's proposed changes - but a change is surely due for you unfortunate citizens
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Come on now, be reasonable and honest. Your NHS isn't free. Brits pay for it through your taxes.

Working class Americans can't continue shouldering the burden of providing everything to the non-working class/poor and the rest of our country.... and the world, too.


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To be fair, the NHS is pretty damn good.

EVERYONE, regardless of class, income, etc gets treated, whether you have a job or not.


You don't always get treated perfectly, but you get treated with basic competence...and it is free.

The USA has been the laughing-stock of the civilised world for its poor quality and overpriced healthcare for decades, can't say I am entirely au fait with the controversy of obama's proposed changes - but a change is surely due for you unfortunate citizens



Come on now, be reasonable and honest. Your NHS isn't free. Brits pay for it through your taxes.

Working class Americans can't continue shouldering the burden of providing everything to the non-working class/poor and the rest of our country.... and the world, too.

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True, it's payed for through a taxation system BUT only by those who are working. And EVERYONE gets access to it, working or not. Might seem unfair, but if you're lying in a road after being hit my a truck, the least of your concerns should be 'can I afford to get treatment?'.

The problem in the USA is that it only works for those who can afford it. 40% of your entire population can't afford healthcare.
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To be fair, the NHS is pretty damn good.

EVERYONE, regardless of class, income, etc gets treated, whether you have a job or not.


You don't always get treated perfectly, but you get treated with basic competence...and it is free.

The USA has been the laughing-stock of the civilised world for its poor quality and overpriced healthcare for decades, can't say I am entirely au fait with the controversy of obama's proposed changes - but a change is surely due for you unfortunate citizens



Come on now, be reasonable and honest. Your NHS isn't free. Brits pay for it through your taxes.

Working class Americans can't continue shouldering the burden of providing everything to the non-working class/poor and the rest of our country.... and the world, too.

 Quoting: XLR8


It is free to those that have not paid any taxes e.g. the children etc

The Brits do not pay for it through taxes but a national insurance which is a % of earnings and employers also make a major contribution to its costs.

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i disagree with Pilger, OP.

i live in the UK, and when you really need them, say after you've been in an accident, then yeah, they're good.

far more of us though, get niggly little symptoms, go to our GPs and get written off as hypochondriacs, only to end up critically ill( or dead) when an appendix bursts for example, or terminally ill with cancer, just because the cost of sending us for a scan is so prohibitive.

only last week, a little girl was diagnosed with Swine Flu, only to die of Meningitis, i think it was.

the NHS is NOT the marvelous system it's made out to be.

In the past year, it has killed my old man, nearly killed my mother, and is letting me down at the moment too, because I am ill, and they can't, or WON'T more like, investigate PROPERLY!
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far more of us though, get niggly little symptoms, go to our GPs and get written off as hypochondriacs, only to end up critically ill( or dead) when an appendix bursts for example, or terminally ill with cancer, just because the cost of sending us for a scan is so prohibitive.
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this is exactly what happened to me..

doctor told me my stomach pains were probably just a stomach virus. that night i couldn't sleep the pain was so bad, then collapsed the next morning. called an ambulance, went to hospital, found out my appendix was buggered, and it actually ruptured when i was in the hospital.. if i had not gotten there sooner they said i would probably have died.

then post-op, i was left in my ward room with a oxygen mask on my face that wasn't turned on.. for 15 minutes.. so i was breathing my own stale air! was too mashup after the op to know what was going on..

my dad had it worse. had an op on his scalp, given wrong anesthetic, couldn't move, but could feel all the pain as they sliced into his scalp.. he decided not to sue, i said he was fucking crazy!

and now i work for the NHS.. seeing it from behind the desk tells another story completely. NHS is SO disorganized and inept it defies belief!

cameron, brown, and all the other wankstains who stand up for it are just blowing hot air..

we might have the best in the world. but that really makes you aware of how shite everyone elses must be, because ours is certainly wank!
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NHS Doctors kill more than armies


NHS Doctors get people addicted to antidepressants


NHS Doctors cause autism


NHS Doctors kill people with chemotheorapy


NHS Doctors cause illness with their vile vaccines


NHS Doctors are often rude and vile


NHS Doctors serve the NWO agenda(no doubt about it)


NHS Doctors think they are God(but they are not GOD)


NHS Doctors make to much money(they are greedy fcks)
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To be fair, the NHS is pretty damn good.

EVERYONE, regardless of class, income, etc gets treated, whether you have a job or not.


You don't always get treated perfectly, but you get treated with basic competence...and it is free.

The USA has been the laughing-stock of the civilised world for its poor quality and overpriced healthcare for decades, can't say I am entirely au fait with the controversy of obama's proposed changes - but a change is surely due for you unfortunate citizens


I've never had any problem with health care. And I never asked another citizen to pay for it.
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I agree totally. I also think the big thing is yes a few things need adjusting but not 1000 pages of BS. If they are going to fix HC they need to take longer than a few monthes. ITs socialist what they are doing now and it will end up like medicare. We also can't afford what they are wanting even if they tax the rich 90% of there earnings.
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Here's how it REALLY works in the US. If you are here legally or illegally, and cannot pay for healthcare, you are still treated, in a hospital, with the same level of care as the paying customer. You can also take advantage of clinics where you will be treated for minor illnesses as well. You then fill out forms that state you are destitute (and these are available in many languages), and your bill goes away. Of course the cost is passed on to those who have health insurance in the form of higher and higher premiums. So what we have is enforced socialism, largely paid for by the middle and working class.
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Is this the same as Obamacare.
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Is this the same as Obamacare.
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+ ?
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Obamacare is not like the NHS in any way shape or form, it charges more and offers little value for money to the average American..

If I was an American I would be opposing something that offers so little value for money...

From what I have seen there is none of the economy of scale that such an enterprise should be giving the population, medical care should, when you consider 300 million people and economy of scale be first cheap when compared to smaller nations...

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