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~The Woman Clothed in the Sun~

 
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a peacock is a solar symbol...


Does this crop circle formation look like a peacock feather?

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um yes... you are right....Lotus Feet did a interpretation on this crop circle the link is below...she called it the snowflake crop circle...?? but it does look like a peacock feather as well hmmmm

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:pic56:
 Quoting: ^^Angelseverywhere^^


First thing that came to mind when I first saw this one. . .

"But to you who fear My name The Sun of Righteousness shall arise With healing in His wings" (Malachi 4)
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I thought this was in reference to the Venus transit of the sun around 2012.



Yes...I think so....The return of Quetzalcoatl :pic21:

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And the transit of Venus our journey home...

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The woman clothed in the sun....is a layered prophecy...I think ;)

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Thanks Angelseverywhere! I thought I had heard this before...
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 Quoting: ^^Angelseverywhere^^


First thing that came to mind when I first saw this one. . .

"But to you who fear My name The Sun of Righteousness shall arise With healing in His wings" (Malachi 4)

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Please pray for me: I used to be a Good Christian™, until I got a hold of some kind of fruity "love" bullshit and decided I need to be less harsh on people.
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Razorlight`s Hostage of Love

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You make yourself, a prisoner of me
You blind yourself, so you don't have to see
You turn your life, to a power above
And make yourself,
A hostage of love

You turn from me, you turn from the strain
Devote yourself, to the power again
Distance yourself, from what we avowed
You broke the rules,
Your my hostage now

I am a sinner, I am a saint
I am a devil
I am the ghost at the wake
I feed the swell and pull
Of your tears as they break
I am the limit of
The load you can take

You are the pulley
And I am the winch
I am salvation
Am your herald of sin
I take you beyond
Your limits of trust
Ransom yourself
Hostage of love

You say you have been born again
Since you slept there in that liar's den, den
You cannot be saved
You gave your innocence away
Oooohhh ooooh

I've turned my cheek
And I've suffered the blow
Truth of my story
Is widely unknown
Words of derision I have
Swallowed with a smile
For telling my story I have been crucified

Now like a madman
I give my laurels to you
And like a hero
Forsake my trophies for you
Though a deciple of this devil
That is in our blood
Am I not also
Your hostage of love

You say you have been born again
Since you slept there in that liar's den, den
You cannot return
Until your innocence is earned

You say you've got to live alone
Though it hurts, You'll make it on your own, own
You cannot be saved
You gave your innocence away
Oooohhh ooooh

You will remain a hostage of love
Hostage of love
Hostage of love
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Thanks Angelseverywhere! I thought I had heard this before...
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No problem honey...The return of Quetzalcoatl is fascinating...one of the first prophecies I ever researched...I believe there is a thread on GLP that I saw last week that had some great info in it.

hf
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:pic56:

First thing that came to mind when I first saw this one. . .

"But to you who fear My name The Sun of Righteousness shall arise With healing in His wings" (Malachi 4)

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 Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)


I was wondering what was going on honey! lol

oh yes...you could relate Malachi 4...to Quetzalcoatl...healing in his wings indeed!!

hf
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Who is the Woman Clothed in the Sun of Revelation 12?

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This is actually an interesting apologetics question, since there is a clear difference of opinion between Catholics and most protestants (a few prominent protestant exegetes do adhere to the Catholic position). The Woman in Revelation 12 is important because of the position she is given in the book and in heaven by St. John (she is depicted as the Queen of Heaven). Here is the text:


Revelation 12:1-6. And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of 12 stars; she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery. And another portent appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth; she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which to be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

Agreeing on the Basics

Lets start with a few things we can agree on: the Woman is giving birth to Jesus and the dragon is the devil. Virtually all will agree on that. We can also agree that in some respects the woman represents the Church, which gives birth to faith and children of God. However, the question here is: who does John intend the woman to be? And at this, the question becomes very complex. As Stefano Manelli points out in All Generations Shall Call Me Blessed:


According to one scholar, not two exegetes are in perfect agreement about the twelfth chapter of Revelation. The interpretation of this splendid, dramatic page of the Book of Revelation, in fact, has been and remains difficult because of the complexity of elements composing it, because of the variety of its literary genres (prophetical, apocalyptical, Johannine), and because of the multiple references to the Old and New Testament.


So we can all agree that it is complex and we probably will not completely understand the text until we are in heaven with the writer! There are, as pointed out, multiple references to the Old Testament here: Genesis 3:15, Isaiah 7:14, Song of Songs 6:9, Psalms 2:9, and Micah 5:2, for example. And these must all be considered in a full analysis.

The Logical Conclusion

Now with those basics set, we can agree on two of the three players. It seems almost too obvious to stick the Virgin Mary as the third player, but frankly she fits. Remember, she gave birth to Christ and then fled through the desert (three and a half years) during Herods slaughter of the innocents, which can be interpreted as the devil throwing down the stars. It is, I concede, an imperfect fit, but clearly one of the two best fits for the passage. As Manelli also states:


A more critical analysis of the theories [concerning this passage], however, shows that as in yesteryear, so today there are but two basic interpretations of the woman of Revelation 12, namely: Mary and the Church. Traditionally, there has been a pendulum movement between the two interpretations, writes I. de La Potterie, and neither of the two aspects can be totally excluded in the interpretation of this mysterious symbol.


And, as Cardinal Newman points out:


The image of the woman, according to general Scripture usage, is too bold and prominent for a mere personification. Scripture is not fond of allegories. We have indeed frequent figures there, as when the sacred writers speak of the arm or sword of the Lord. So, too, when they speak of Jerusalem or Samaria in the feminine, or of the Church as a bride or as a vine. But they are not much given to dressing up abstract ideas or generalizations in personal attributes. This is the classical rather than the scriptural style. Xenophon places Hercules between Virtue and Vice, represented as women.


This does not remove the value of interpreting the woman as the Church, however I think there is enough evidence available to say that one interpretation of Revelation 12 must be the woman as Mary, Queen of Heaven.

Why Must Mary be Accepted?
There are numerous reasons why Mary the Mother of God must be seen in this passage, but I'll point out the key ones:


* She was the Mother of Jesus and the Protoevangelium (Genesis 3:15) puts her as the devils adversary.
* The term Woman is used throughout Scripture to refer to Mary: Genesis 3:15, Galatians 4:4, John 2:1-11, and John 19:25-27 (note the last two, along with Revelation, were written by the Apostle John)
* She fled after the birth into the desert wilderness.


Again, this isn't a perfect interpretation, just as putting the church as the woman is not a perfect interpretation. The best answer is seeing the woman as primarily Mary and a model of the Church. In Christian history Mary was always seen as representative of the Church, so this fits perfectly. As Scott Hahn points out in Hail, Holy Queen:


The woman of the Apocalypse is the ark of the covenant in the heavenly temple; and that woman is the Virgin Mary. This does not, however, preclude other readings of Revelation 12. Scripture, after all, is not a code to be cracked, but a mystery we could never plumb in a lifetime.

In the fourth centry, for example, Saint Ambrose saw the woman clearly as the Virgin Mary, because she is mother of the Church, for she brought forth Him who is the Head of the Church; Yet Ambrose also saw Revelations woman as an allegory of the Church herself. Saint Ephrem of Syria reached the same conclusion, fearing no contradiction: The Virgin Mary is, again, the figure of the Church . . . Let us call the Church by the name of Mary; for she is worth of the double name.

The Queen of Heaven, the Mother of God
In the end, we must say that the woman in Revelation was intended to represent Mary at least as one of two symbols. I believe the evidence strongly suggests she is the primary symbol and her motherhood of the Church is the secondary symbol. It is silly to try and say she has no part of the passage, especially once you concede the other two participants: Jesus and the Devil.

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I have always been intrigued by this particular part of revelations.

Some people think that the woman mentioned is actually the church....and yet some other people (myself included)believe revelations is talking about an actual woman...who is alive now.

What do you think?


hf
 Quoting: ^^Angelseverywhere^^

St. John the Divine was Mary Magdalene- author of Revelations JFDWI
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hf
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Now...how did you know that I love Pearl Jam?? ;)

Awesome song...the beat of the drums.....takes me back...

He won the lottery when he was born
Took his mothers white breast to his tongue
Trained like dogs, color and smell
Walks by me to get to him police man (2x)

He won the lottery by being born
Big hand slapped a white male merican
Do no wrong, so clean cut...
Dirty his hands, it comes right off
Police man (2x)
Police stopped my brother again (3x)
Police man (2x)

Jesus greets me...looks just like me...

Do no wrong, so clean cut
Dirty his hands, it comes right off
Police man (3x)
Police stopped my brother again (3x)
Police man (2x)

Police stopped my brother again (3x)
Police man (3x)

All my pieces set me free...human devices set me free...
All my pieces set me free... (2x) } (2x)
Human devices set me free... (2x) }

Thanks for posting this honey!


hf
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and yes she is alive now, a Sinclaire and personal friend
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:pic56:


First thing that came to mind when I first saw this one. . .

"But to you who fear My name The Sun of Righteousness shall arise With healing in His wings" (Malachi 4)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 748788


CEREMONY FOR THE AMERICAS CROP CIRCLE
[link to christvisionloveunion.blogspot.com]

Yes she became a healer and taught others how to heal too...

First she healed herself...




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i love satan
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The Lotus Flower

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Lotus
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Very interesting piece; the symbolism I also see in this writing with the woman being clothed in the sun (light)and with the moon under her feet (darkness), fits in perfectly with the battle of light over darkness. Jesus even claimed that his enemies would be his footstool.

The crown with the 12 stars represents the 12 tribes of Israel, which Jesus is also connected to. The woman is Mary and is representative of the persecution of the Jesus Christ and all his true followers through out the centuries.

The Dragon falling 1/3 of the stars represents the rebellion in heaven and the fallen angels being cast down out of heaven. They followed the dragon (Satan) in the rebellion against God and were all cast out perminately. Most of those angels were known as the watchers and were responsible for mankinds knowledge of the cosmos, mathmatics, etc. They were also responsible for the Nephilim (race of giants) upon the earth.

I really think that Mary does not represent the "church" as we think of it today but, the following of Christ. Most churches persecute other churches based on belief systems; Satan knows the truth and that is Jesus Christ and why true followers/believers in Christ are constantly persecuted and will be until Jesus is back here for good.

Just my opinion and what I get out of reading that passage.
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"Joining the military does not mean that you will be defending the country. The purpose of the U.S. military should be to defend the United States. Period. Yet, one of the greatest myths ever invented is that the current U.S. military somehow defends our freedoms. First of all, our freedoms are not in danger of being taken away by foreign countries; if they are taken away it will be by our own government. It is not a country making war on us that we need to fear, it is our government making war on the Bill of Rights. And second, how is stationing troops in 150 different regions of the world on hundreds of U.S. military bases defending our freedoms? It is not the purpose of the U.S. military to change regimes, secure the borders of other countries, or spread democracy at gunpoint. The Department of Defense should first and foremost be the Department of Homeland Security."--Laurence Vance--
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I believe that the woman Rev. speaks of is Israel. The twelve stars represent the 12 apostles, and the sun and the moon is the Word of God....always lighting the way.
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true i believe this too.. hf
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hf


Now...how did you know that I love Pearl Jam?? ;)

Awesome song...the beat of the drums.....takes me back...

He won the lottery when he was born
Took his mothers white breast to his tongue
Trained like dogs, color and smell
Walks by me to get to him police man (2x)

He won the lottery by being born
Big hand slapped a white male merican
Do no wrong, so clean cut...
Dirty his hands, it comes right off
Police man (2x)
Police stopped my brother again (3x)
Police man (2x)

Jesus greets me...looks just like me...

Do no wrong, so clean cut
Dirty his hands, it comes right off
Police man (3x)
Police stopped my brother again (3x)
Police man (2x)

Police stopped my brother again (3x)
Police man (3x)

All my pieces set me free...human devices set me free...
All my pieces set me free... (2x) } (2x)
Human devices set me free... (2x) }

Thanks for posting this honey!


hf
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It is a bliss to bring happiness to an angel X 2 5a
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First thing that came to mind when I first saw this one. . .

"But to you who fear My name The Sun of Righteousness shall arise With healing in His wings" (Malachi 4)


CEREMONY FOR THE AMERICAS CROP CIRCLE
[link to christvisionloveunion.blogspot.com]

Yes she became a healer and taught others how to heal too...

First she healed herself...




Lotus
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lotus you are nuts!!!!
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Hey lotus, I think I saw your avatar in the clip below...



Interesting, because it is contain Red, Dragon and (petals of) Roses.

It's kind of hard to see in low resolution but Jani Lane (lead singer) tattoo is a Dragon:



Link to download hi-res clip:

[link to thepiratebay.org]

No hurt feeling, but according to lyrics, it is not going to work between us... chuckle LOL

hf
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Clip cannot be embedded stoner


Lotus Avatar 2:20

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Jani Lane Tattoo: 1:45

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First thing that came to mind when I first saw this one. . .

"But to you who fear My name The Sun of Righteousness shall arise With healing in His wings" (Malachi 4)


CEREMONY FOR THE AMERICAS CROP CIRCLE
[link to christvisionloveunion.blogspot.com]

Yes she became a healer and taught others how to heal too...

First she healed herself...




Lotus
 Quoting: Lotus Feet


Of course...you can not heal others...until your own heart and soul...is at peace with all that is...

hf
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and yes she is alive now, a Sinclaire and personal friend
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hf hf
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Very interesting piece; the symbolism I also see in this writing with the woman being clothed in the sun (light)and with the moon under her feet (darkness), fits in perfectly with the battle of light over darkness. Jesus even claimed that his enemies would be his footstool.

The crown with the 12 stars represents the 12 tribes of Israel, which Jesus is also connected to. The woman is Mary and is representative of the persecution of the Jesus Christ and all his true followers through out the centuries.

The Dragon falling 1/3 of the stars represents the rebellion in heaven and the fallen angels being cast down out of heaven. They followed the dragon (Satan) in the rebellion against God and were all cast out perminately. Most of those angels were known as the watchers and were responsible for mankinds knowledge of the cosmos, mathmatics, etc. They were also responsible for the Nephilim (race of giants) upon the earth.

I really think that Mary does not represent the "church" as we think of it today but, the following of Christ. Most churches persecute other churches based on belief systems; Satan knows the truth and that is Jesus Christ and why true followers/believers in Christ are constantly persecuted and will be until Jesus is back here for good.

Just my opinion and what I get out of reading that passage.
 Quoting: Informed09


Thank you very much Informed for your insight on this subject. I know of what you speak...the watchers...angels really are everywhere ;)

hf
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You truly are beautiful Lotus! Yes...it is time to dance...;) Thank you for sharing that with us!

hf
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It is a bliss to bring happiness to an angel X 2 5a
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Much love to you honey! hugs

:gheart:

hf
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The Lotus Flower

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Lotus


Hey lotus, I think I saw your avatar in the clip below...



Interesting, because it is contain Red, Dragon and (petals of) Roses.

It's kind of hard to see in low resolution but Jani Lane (lead singer) tattoo is a Dragon:



Link to download hi-res clip:

[link to thepiratebay.org]

No hurt feeling, but according to lyrics, it is not going to work between us... chuckle LOL

hf
 Quoting: Lotus Feet's Fans 697903


What a blast from the past! chuckle warrant....thanks man with many names ;)

hf
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It is a bliss to bring happiness to an angel X 2 5a


Much love to you honey! hugs

:gheart:

hf
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She hugs me. grouphug

hf
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St. John the Divine was Mary Magdalene- author of Revelations JFDWI
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Yes..I know he was the author...didn't know St. John was Mary Magadalene tho....now I am confused...lol...not hard to do...thanks AC

hf
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I'd like to know why this poster titled the thread "Woman clothed IN the sun," when the passage clearly reads "woman clothed WITH the sun. Completely different images and meanings. Why was the preposition changed? Obviously intentional.
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I'd like to know why this poster titled the thread "Woman clothed IN the sun," when the passage clearly reads "woman clothed WITH the sun. Completely different images and meanings. Why was the preposition changed? Obviously intentional.
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Ooh, Lawyer-ball! Considering none of it was iniitally issued in English, what's the difference? We know who OP is talking about, right? Ease up. Ready to cite those plagues for "changing the Word of God", or what?
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[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

It would appear that in the original Greek, any preposition there was merely *implied* anyhow.
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I'd like to know why this poster titled the thread "Woman clothed IN the sun," when the passage clearly reads "woman clothed WITH the sun. Completely different images and meanings. Why was the preposition changed? Obviously intentional.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 530536


Nothing intentional at all AC....in...with...you will find both when you are researching this topic...do a search you will see....I believe both titles are correct imo...please post the difference in images and meanings you find...thanks

hf

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