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INFECTIOUS DISEASE EXPERTS CALL ON AUSSIE GOVT. TO ABANDON SWINE FLU SHOT

 
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LEADING infectious disease experts have called on the Federal Government to abandon its mass swine-flu vaccination plan because of fears the vaccine is a contamination risk that could spread blood-borne diseases.

Health Minister Nicola Roxon yesterday announced that the Government would start deploying its first batch of swine-flu vaccine in coming weeks, with an aim to vaccinate as many people as possible to prevent further spread of the virus.

But in a letter sent to Commonwealth Chief Medical Officer Jim Bishop, the Australasian Society for Infectious Diseases expresses deep concern about CSL's use of multi-dose vials for the vaccine and urged the Government to abandon its plan until it had single-dose vials.

The letter, written by the Society's president, Associate Professor Tom Gottlieb, says multi-dose vials - bottles containing many doses of the vaccine - had been shown on many occasions to transmit infectious diseases, ''resulting in considerable morbidity and mortality''.

To prevent contamination, clinicians must follow stringent infection-control guidelines and use new syringes and needles for every vaccination.

''Many members are concerned that there is a risk of adverse outcomes if a mass vaccination campaign was conducted using multi-dose vials,'' the letter says. It adds that it would be difficult to guarantee proper procedures were followed in hospitals, ''let alone clinics and general-practice units in the community, where there may be a lesser safeguarding of the necessary safe infection-control practices''.

While the risk was slight, failures linked to the use of multi-dose vials could undermine confidence in other vaccination programs.

Other mass vaccination programs in Australia - such as for infants, seasonal flu and cervical cancer - use single-dose vials.

Professor Gottlieb said many bodies, including the World Health Organisation, recommend single-dose vials.

Multi-dose vials in Australia had been linked to the transmission of HIV from a patient to four other people in a Sydney surgeon's rooms in 1989, he said. Overseas, they had been linked to outbreaks of hepatitis, HIV and bacterial diseases.

Professor Gottlieb said that although his members - the bulk of infectious disease clinicians - supported vaccination, they wanted the Government to get this program right.

''A number of people are starting to wonder if we are rushing at a time when we're seeing that the peak has passed,'' he said.

One month ago, the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners issued new draft guidelines for the use of multi-dose vials.

Professor Jim Bishop said the Government's pandemic plan had always included the use of multi-dose vials because they could be rolled out quickly and were more efficient.

''The best evidence is that the epidemic in Australia has not yet clearly peaked, so ongoing protection of the vulnerable is needed,'' he said. ''General practices peak bodies are comfortable and believe the GP workforce is competent with the use of multi-dose vials.''

CSL said multi-dose vials had been chosen to help get the vaccine out more quickly.

Spokeswoman Dr Rachel David said it would take ''many, many more months'' to produce single-dose vials and that another multi-dose vial flu vaccine it exports to the US had been used safely for the last three years. ''If multi-dose vials are used correctly there is no increased risk,'' she said.

Ms Roxon said it would be the biggest vaccination program in the shortest period of time that Australia has undertaken.

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oh gawd

those fruit salad lefties have got us rooted now


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ozzies... better get smart....

vaccines ain`t the way to go....
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What do you bet they reuse needles when then hit the abo areas?
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Pump action shotgun in the mouth for anyone who tries to vaccinate me or my family. peace
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Test it on the Aussie Gov. and their kids first.
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What do you bet they reuse needles when then hit the abo areas?
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cheap but predictable shot.
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Aussie Aussie Aussie!!!

Oi! Oi! Oi!
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Aussie Aussie Aussie!!!

Oi! Oi! Oi!
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please dont bring down the rest of us Australians with sports cry.


"Ms Roxon"---

"US had been used safely for the last three years. ''If multi-dose vials are used correctly there is no increased risk,'' she said.



what about the 25 deaths? from the shot itself> fukin bio-terrist's
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Aussie Aussie Aussie!!!

Oi! Oi! Oi!




please dont bring down the rest of us Australians with sports cry.


"Ms Roxon"---

"US had been used safely for the last three years. ''If multi-dose vials are used correctly there is no increased risk,'' she said.



what about the 25 deaths? from the shot itself> fukin bio-terrist's
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Just what if this is reverse information to cull the masses?
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wow!
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Yeah, "swine flu"...pfft. Where are the millions dead? Ill tell you where, there isn't any. We are supposed to have 3.5billion dead by next winter and all we have now is a handful of people that choked on a ham sandwich.
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some info on the vaccinations
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Aussie Aussie Aussie!!!

Oi! Oi! Oi!




please dont bring down the rest of us Australians with sports cry.


"Ms Roxon"---

"US had been used safely for the last three years. ''If multi-dose vials are used correctly there is no increased risk,'' she said.



what about the 25 deaths? from the shot itself> fukin bio-terrist's
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Hey! I love the sports cry.

Its thug and bogan all rolled into one.
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NO THE SPORTS CRY IS CRASS

its a fucking embarrassment
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Test it on the Aussie Gov. and their kids first.
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Excellent suggestion and include the med staff who are to administer it!
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Test it on the Aussie Gov. and their kids first.


Excellent suggestion and include the med staff who are to administer it!
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All Politicians and leaders kings queens corporate Elite get the vaccine first.
Then we wait until next time hahaha
And if they die then fucking good!
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As a UK nurse, I can say now that multi use vials are one risk too far.

The vaccine is BS any how, but to say we have to reuse vials? well, why if this is safe practise, are we in the UK banned from multi use heparin and insulin vials? its all single use vials now..

So...... why the desire to share vials?

Can anyone say 'mass cull' ?
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Oh and any one who is in the UK can check up this one - Reason for not using multi dose vials? some one caught malaria from a multi use vial.

Nice huh?
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Hang on a minute these are DOCTORS calling to STOP the vaccine? So maybe its all a big double bluff and they DON"T want everyone vaccinated when the shit hits the fan. AGH I'm so confused. Conspiracies within conspiracies. Fuck it. Its too hard. I thought the docs were the baddies trying to implant us. But maybe they're the baddies trying to get us to NOT have a vaccine but using subtle mind games to achieve their intended goal?
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i'm showing people this articele today and most are still saying, but if it wasn't safe our government wouldn't give us it.

The ignorance and sheer stupidity of the general populace is beyond belief, i'm starting to think they deserve what's coming to them.
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Hang on a minute these are DOCTORS calling to STOP the vaccine? So maybe its all a big double bluff and they DON"T want everyone vaccinated when the shit hits the fan. AGH I'm so confused. Conspiracies within conspiracies. Fuck it. Its too hard. I thought the docs were the baddies trying to implant us. But maybe they're the baddies trying to get us to NOT have a vaccine but using subtle mind games to achieve their intended goal?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 529266


Drs are NOT the powers that be. They get 'told' or 'advised', and then given monetary insentives to complete a task i.e. mass vaccinations.

They are actually waking up to whats coming.
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Australia swine flu jabs plan: minister

(AFP) – 5 hours ago

MELBOURNE — Australia announced Thursday it would begin mass swine flu vaccinations next month, as it fast-tracked an immunisation programme capable of covering its entire population.

The process was speeded up after "promising" human trials of a vaccine that were launched in late July when Australia pre-ordered enough doses to inoculate all of its 21 million people in a drive originally set to begin in October.

Health Minister Nicola Roxon said the trials had gone smoothly and authorities hoped to start the immunisation drive in September as soon as doctors said the jab was safe.

"The data we do have is the first that has been available in the world," Roxon told public broadcaster ABC.

"It looks very promising and we are certainly doing everything we can to make sure the vaccine is available and implementation is ready to go as soon as we get that tick-off.

"I think it's anticipated by the middle or end of September we will be starting to vaccinate the priority groups that, of course, are the most vulnerable."

She said priority groups for the initial delivery of two million doses would be pregnant women, those with chronic diseases, children in special schools and health workers.
[link to www.theflucase.com]
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Austrian family placed under "home quaratine" as global martial-law measures given trial run

Thursday, 20 August 2009

A family in Austria has been place in "home quaratine" because an 18-year old boy allegedly contracted the "swine flu" after a family holiday in Mallorca, according to a report yesterday in the Austrian state-run ORF.

The family from Perg has been forbidden to go out shopping during the period they have been assigned to quaratine.

Parents and neighbours are bringing supplies of food and other necessities until the ban is lifted on Friday.
[link to www.theflucase.com]
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No H1N1 'urgency' exists and vaccine strategy ‘risky’ doctors say

With few weeks before mass vaccinating is to start in Australia, its top infectious disease body warned Government in writing that the H1N1 ‘swine’ flu vaccine is being distributed too hastily, with too many risks, and there is no need for mass vaccination, according to an ABC report this morning.

The Australian government is not budging on the fast-tracked plan.

No urgency because no 'pandemic'

The Australasian Society for Infectious Diseases says urgent mass vaccinations are not needed and the multi-dose vaccine vials have been shown to transmit infection, spread HIV and hepatitis, and cause death the ABC report says.
[link to www.examiner.com]
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Aussies prepare to see hundreds of thousands of dire
auto immune responses and deaths from these toxic immunizations.
It's literally a life or death decision.
www.theflucase.com
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Austrian family placed under "home quaratine" as global martial-law measures given trial run

Thursday, 20 August 2009

A family in Austria has been place in "home quaratine" because an 18-year old boy allegedly contracted the "swine flu" after a family holiday in Mallorca, according to a report yesterday in the Austrian state-run ORF.

The family from Perg has been forbidden to go out shopping during the period they have been assigned to quaratine.

Parents and neighbours are bringing supplies of food and other necessities until the ban is lifted on Friday.
[link to www.theflucase.com]
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Hardly Martial law. It is the sensible, safe approach to any epidemic/pandemic. Protect yourself and others. It is the tried and tested approach. Has been for centuries. Why are SF patients being isolated in hospital..Paranoia has stolen your common sense!!

I would rather people practised self-enforced quarantine then we mightn't need vaccines but then we can't expect humans to behave sensibly.

There will be no vaccines in this house but there will be quarantine.

What worries me is that people have *to be told* to quarantine!!!! They have no common sense or social conscience. They cry martial law but basically have no respect for their own health or the health or others.

They wouldn't have to infect 20+ others while on their way to the store to buy bullets to shoot the vaccinators if they would just stay in the bloody house anyway!!

Rant over!
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As a UK nurse, I can say now that multi use vials are one risk too far.

The vaccine is BS any how, but to say we have to reuse vials? well, why if this is safe practise, are we in the UK banned from multi use heparin and insulin vials? its all single use vials now..

So...... why the desire to share vials?

Can anyone say 'mass cull' ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 753168


I will ignore the 'mass cull' that is a step too far!

But Holy F*ck to the multi use vial!! I am a nurse in NI (so UK) for 20 years and it has been over 10 years since I have seen a multi use vial.

All other vaccines are single use now. Too prevent cross-contamination but also dosage errors.

Imagine the dosage errors in a busy vaccination clinic.

My friend a GP is totally oppossed to the vaccine and has opted out of providing the vaccine but is dreading the fall out of the vaccine.

I must give her a ring about this.
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One of the co-workers ended up quarrantined the other week as she had the SF - she was at work on one particular day and said she was told it was pneumonia. Strewth she looked like shit. So we were all soaking up the SF goodness. And I'm fine - though this little corkscrew tail is somewhat perplexing.
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We've had at least one sheriff ordered quarantine here locally in Missouri. I told the deputy i didn't think there was a threat at all. He said "you better go to the doctor if you get the flu!" I said no, i'm not doin it.

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